The Guardian: The American Right Wants A New Civil War

This is where we are heading though:

“A controversial and divisive US president is elected. State governments defy his will. Popular discontent erupts into low-level violence in several states. And then what?

We’ve been here before. In 1861, the newly elected president, Abraham Lincoln, had to be spirited through Baltimore on a secret train to Washington DC, to thwart a suspected assassination plot. Not long after he took power, a five-year civil war began. …

For a new generation of protesters brought up on the myths of the post-1968 period, it is worth pointing out one big difference. This time, we are not facing cold-blooded conservatives defending an existing order, for whom the killing of four students at Kent State provoked a political crisis. This time, we are facing people who want the institutions of the US to explode. That’s what happens in the “Fourth Turning” theory that people such as Bannon believe in.

It’s chilling to acknowledge it but we must: large sections of the American right want another civil war. They have spent years amassing the weaponry for it; and their signifier of choice – hunting camouflage – also gives a major clue as to what they are thinking. In this situation, the choice of the US left, of minorities, of women should be: to resist – but do not give the enemy what they want. …”

I increasingly believe this is where all this is going.

I can see a scenario in which California secedes from the Union. It might be joined by a few other Blue States. In the best case scenario, The Left Coast and Northeast would secede from the United States, it would lead to a Second Civil War, and Heartland would emerge victorious in the conflict.

Heartland would destroy the leftist oligarchy in Los Angeles and New York City and impose a new Constitution on the United States. Reconstruction would be imposed by the South on California and the Northeast. It’s not the future I imagined, but it might be the one we get.

There is an inevitable crackup coming. Everything is swiftly becoming politicized including previously neutral areas like sports and shopping. There is going to be a crisis and resolution.

Note: We will play the Battle Hymn of the Republic … as we march into California to preserve the Union. One day there will be a Trump Memorial in Washington, DC.


  1. I know, I just think it’s hilarious that the right is now fighting to preserve America(TM) and the left wants to secede.

    The whole role-reversal thing really is like something out of a movie. Also, to be 100% honest with you, I’m still hoping to see multiple White racial states emerge in North America rather than see the Union preserved. I just don’t particularly like America, tbh.

  2. ‘f they could get the Mexicans and Blacks to fight for them. However, I
    don’t believe such men would take orders from the likes of Barbara Boxer
    and Dianne Feinstein, or even Jerry Brown.’

    Funny, Mr. Owen; and so very very true!

  3. Opposition to the South is the only thing uniting Yankeedom, ergo, if the South leaves then Yankeedom itself will die soon afterwards.

  4. My personal prediction is that, if there’s a Civil War, it will be either:

    – 2 years from now after the Midterm elections.

    – 4 to 6 years from now, presumably after a Democratic President has been elected.

  5. “If Mexicans decided to take Southern California, what could anyone do about it in the first days, weeks, and months?”

    You honestly think Trump would allow this? He would send in the Marines at the first sign of civil unrest.

  6. Imagine what would happen if they eliminate Trump. Wow. All of America’s historical conflicts would come in a day, apocalyptic.

  7. Imagine, Wolf Blitzer: “The California National Guard has been called in to escort White students to college.”

  8. I’m getting that your post might be a little bit tongue-in-cheek, but why not just let California and the Northeast go?

  9. “Heartland would destroy the leftist oligarchy in Los Angeles and New York City”

    What would then be done with all the non-Whites? I suggest sending the Mexicans back to Mexico, the Blacks to a separate place somewhere, and the rest to Alaska.

  10. I would rather let blue states go in peace and form there own nation and then we will see who is most successful; free trade multiracial democracy or populist based white nationalism.

  11. They would probably flee to blue areas or we can have an arrangement whereby some become semi- autonomous regions

  12. I respectfully disagree that there will be a new Civil War.

    A German poll discovered that Antifa is composed of angry, young White men who are unemployed and living with their parents.

    Assuming Donald Trump brings back great paying, full time jobs, it is going to make the possibility of risking jail and a busted head from the cops for $15.00 from Soros look far less attractive. Carrot.

    Those Antifa who have already been caught destroying property are facing ten years in jail and at least at $25,000 fine. Stick.

    Just like Blacks riot in their own neighborhoods, these demonstrators don’t demonstrate in Red State neighborhoods where the residents are heavily armed. They are raising hell in liberal neighborhoods, breaking into and burning down Starbucks. So, there is a new phenomena rapidly building in, of all places, a liberal enclave like Portland Oregon called “Protest Fatigue.” You can see some interesting stuff on YouTube where the enraged citizenry is directing police swat teams to Antifa blocking buses and cars and giving them the thumbs up as they take these guys down.

    While opposing Bush without offering any concrete alternatives worked for the Democrats in 2006-2008, that is not going to work for them with Trump. Democrats had a lousy candidate with Hillary — all the King’s horses and all the King’s men couldn’t put that Humpty back together again — nor even the King himself. The only thing that kept Hillary from being fifty points behind was the non-stop propping and support from the media and Obama, but she still lost.

    Democrats need both a great alternative candidate and a solid, sensible platform that will appeal both to the Yankee White working class base they dismissed back in 2007 and also the Non-Whites who stayed home rather than vote for a self-entitled old White lady in 2016. Democrats opting to go with Black Lives Matter is not only going to further alienate the base they need to woo back but any so-called Person of Color who is not Black.

    I can’t see Mexifornia going to war against U.S. troops to secede from the Union. I go by this based on the actions of “undocumented workers” right after September 11, 2001 in Texas. I have a friend in construction there and he told me that within days, one could not find a single illegal in Texas. One day one couldn’t swing a stick in the parking lot of Home Depot without hitting one, and the next day, they couldn’t be found anywhere. They had all scampered home.

    Mexifornia is NOT going to go to war to get off the American tit. That’s not the way Gibsmedat works. Illegals were never that well-loved by Mexican-American non-politicians. Most Mexican-Americans can’t stand illegals. In New Mexico, they were referred to as low-riders and the butt of all jokes there. In Texas only Mexican-Americans refer to them as wetbacks and I imagine the Mexicali have their own derogatory terms for them, too.

    Cesar Chavez was very much against undocumented workers. Believe me, Mexican-Americans aren’t anymore thrilled than the Anglo working classes to watch their wages and standard of living decline with every wave of Hispanic undocumented labor sweeping over the Southern border. They don’t want a violent, deport them all, and let God sort em out approach by Trump, but they aren’t going to put up a fuss if Trump makes it impossible for an illegal to get a job or government benefits and the illegal self-deports.

    All Trump has to do is cut off federal funding to California which takes more back than what it puts out. Once San Francisco et al has to pay through the nose to virtue signal how much they love their cheap labor, they will find a way to make them all self-deport themselves.

    Trump won’t back down. We need to put pressure on the RINOs and the wobbly Republicans to back him, balls to the wall, let the left exhaust themselves and exasperate the moderate liberals and the squishy middle and we will prevail. No worries.

  13. I don’t think a CW has any chance as long as Trump is in power and is popular w/ the White Right, assuming he is willing to use the military to utterly crush any uprising (which I think he definitely is.) Far too many combat troops esp SF would be jumping at the chance to crush those who’ve shit on them for so long, and many local LEO/ White Right would be equally excited at the thought of forming RWDS.

    If a Leftist, or even just a Rightist shill is president, all bets are off.

  14. Agreed, too many of the White Right (even those who don’t ID as white) know that Trump is the last hope for a peaceful resolution

  15. Good point. (((Certain peoples))) spent $1.3B on the presidential campaign of the worst candidate in history, I’m pretty sure they’d spend at least that on a last-ditch attempt to regain control of their biggest cash cow

  16. You kidding? Those bitches are the real danger. They’ll cut your belly open then rape you as you die.
    (only 1/2 kidding)
    Seriously though, I doubt as long as DT is in charge that any sort of stand-up secession could work. If he is replaced by a Lefty or cucked Righty anything is possible.

  17. I’m not a Southerner.

    My outside view of this also doesn’t actually have to do with the South refighting the past so much as it has to do with the South being by far the most patriotic region of America.

    I’ve spent a lot of time in New England, Dixie, the Midwest, and even the West Coast; , and Southerners are the most patriotic people I’ve ever met. A lot of them grumble about Yankees, but they genuinely love America.

    This often seems a bit odd if you’re not from the region (people flying Confederate flags but also identifying heavily with America) but it’s a very real phenomenon. Just talk with small town Southerners and you’ll find people who love the military, want America to be strong, etc.

    And their patriotism helps keep the idea of America relevant. If the South left, ‘Americanism’ would quickly begin to die and then there would be nothing to hold together New Jersey, Vermont, North Dakota, California, Alaska, Hawaii, etc.

  18. I’m from the midwest and I don’t see a contradiction between patriotism and flying the battle flag. If HRC had won I’d probably consider it more patriotic than the Stars n’ Bars.

    I assumed you meant the North defined ourselves in opposition to the South. I think small towns are similarly patriotic across most of the nation, regardless of region. People talk about how ‘cucked’ midwesterners are, but a majority of counties vote Republican, Trump in both primary and general. Problem is 50% of my states’ population is in 2 metro areas.

    Its far less regional than it is rural/urban.

  19. All good points.

    BTW, which state are you in? Things vary a lot from one part of the Midwest to another.

  20. Captain, after reflection, let me disagree with your and my answer.

    The one who would win would be the one willing to suffer the most and lose the most in pursuit of the goal.

  21. A great pep talk, indeed.

    That said, there are many examples of bloodless secessions in the recent decades, and none that I can think of that resemble The War of Northern Aggression.

  22. I don’t think so. I think we still need a few more months, maybe even a couple of years, for the conservative-minded folks to get emotionally invested in Trump and his policies. Right now all Trump has been able to do is signal his good intentions, but he hasn’t actually struck any large blows for us yet. There is no wall, no repeal of Obamacare, no immigration halt, etc. When and if it becomes clear that a Trump presidency means a resurgence of things that Anglo America holds dear, then people will be willing to rise up in large numbers to fight in his name.

    Right now, I fear that if Trump were to go, most people would just say “Damn the leftists” and go back to hunkering in their bunkers.

  23. “Right now all Trump has been able to do is signal his good intentions” — that’s why the effect would be even stronger if they eliminated him now.

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