Georgia
State Rep. Tyrone Brooks had this to say today to the Atlanta Daily World about the removal of the Tom Watson statue at the Georgia State Capitol:
“We are elated by the proposed removal of the Tom Watson statue and we would like to see the statues of Sen. Richard Russell, Gov. Eugene Talmadge, and Confederate General John B. Gordon also removed from the State Capitol, as well as all the other statues which we consider offensive,” said Representative Brooks.
“I link the removal of the Watson statue to the victory in the removal of the 1956 Georgia State Flag. But this is not the end of the situation or the problem. We must continue to petition the Governor and other state leaders that these old racist artifacts must be not only removed from the grounds of the Georgia State Capitol, but replaced by African-American, Native American, and Asian American monuments which represent the Georgia of today.”
If it wasn’t for OD readers and contributors, this outrageous attack on Southern heritage would have be allowed to pass without opposition.
Thanks to your support, the CofCC and League of the South will be using these professionally made signs at our “Stand With Tom Watson Rally” at the Georgia State Capitol in Atlanta on Saturday from 10 AM to 12 PM.
Note: In the latest issue of the SPLC’s Intelligence Report, Mark Potok claims with some justification that the “movement” is in disarray. In the South, we are determined to become the counterpoint to that trend, and the way we are going to do it is by holding multiple rallies and protests that break the taboos.
I notice that we are nearly the only group in the US on the ground voicing our opposition to the enemy and attempting to rally the public against them. I would like to see other in different areas of the US doing the same thing on a regional basis. It’s not terribly hard to do. There’s no reason why there can’t be a New England nationalist group, a Northwest nationalist group, a Midwest nationalist group and so forth. You’ll find it’s easier to do activism when you have a group of people within driving distance rather than trying to form a US-wide group that just holds conferences on a yearly basis, runs a website or publishes a newsletter.
The latest issue of the SPLC Intelligence Report is worth reading through:
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2013/winter
1.) Notice the sheer number of vanguardist groups that have recently collapsed: National Alliance, National Vanguard, White Revolution, WCOTC, Aryan Nations, and Volksfront. Even the UKA is meeting the NAACP to prove its not “racist.”
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2013/winter/the-end-of-volksfront
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2013/winter/The-Last-Word
2.) There’s the Craig Cobb fiasco in Leith.
3.) There’s “Axis Sally” turning on Harold Covington:
http://www.haroldcovington.com
4.) There’s Derek Black throwing his own family under the bus and sending letters to the SPLC about “white privilege.”
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2013/fall/Leaving-White-Nationalism
Good point about the vanguardists. I agree. We have to practice a degree of “class snobbery.” If you are poor it’s fine, but you got to present yourself well — business casual, well groomed, shirt tucked in, shined shoes, and behavior that is not out of place or incongruent to middle class Americans.
Good job fighting the good fight, but if you lose, here’s something to think about.
If they remove the statues and replace them with blacks and Asians and Hispanics, those will become symbols of the USA’s decline and fall. All they are doing is ensuring that diversity is that much more strongly associated with civilizational decline. Heck, the black president assures that, but the replacement of white men statues will show how petty, mean spirited and aggressively anti-white the early 21st century zeitgeist really was.
Yes, HW. These are interesting times. I think the emerging non-White majority in the USA will change the WN movement. In fact, WN may not survive; it may morph into something different. I think it could become a more mainstream movement in a different form but that would necessitate a lot of changes, new leadership and a break with the WN movement of the present. It’s like contrasting the skinhead scene in the UK to some of the more successful nationalist movements on the continent. If people just want to blow off steam, complain or play dress up they can do that. But it will never change anything. But if they want to change things it can be done. And there are different models to choose from. For example, the Swiss People’s Party is economically liberal (in the old sense of the word) and is the largest party in Switzerland while the Danish People’s Party is economically socialist and is the third largest party in Denmark. Both are nationalist. Both parties have a lot of influence in their societies now.
Re: Kievsky
Matt Parrott wants to frame it as a class issue.
There were middle class and working class people at both League rallies. I don’t think there has ever been a League rally without working class people.
It is the exhibitionists who are the problem. In twelve years of posting on the internet, I never once had any desire to attend an exhibitionist rally like the NSM rally in Atlanta which was in front of the same Tom Watson statue:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dnm0glCGt7U
Why not?
Because every exhibitionist rally is a public spectacle in which the real issue, whether it is crime or immigration or whatever, gets lost amid distractions like swastika flags or Klan robes or the behavior of people at the protest.
Yup. But also subculture.
And that’s what’s kind of sad about your position. There are tons of White Nationalists who frown in the general direction of the League and mock it because it’s filled with working class Southern yokels with offensive and distracting rebel flags, …and an affection for a historical social order which involved owning people as property.
You were podcasting about your klan rallies just a couple years ago, and were raving about blacks being antique farm equipment just a few months ago, and now everybody who’s to the Right of the leftward direction you’re walking is a vile clown who must be tossed from the sleigh to keep the wolves of respectability at bay.
It’s disingenuous, dishonorable, and disloyal. Maybe I’ve been in the movement too long to appreciate the big picture, anymore, but I simply care less about which hot new angle is the most slick than I care about treating comrades honorably.
That’s fine.
I really don’t care. I’ve been told that you quit the CofCC because of the Confederate flag, but if you would rather get your picture taken in front of flaming swastikas with Craig Cobb and NSM Satanists, that’s your business. I don’t care what you do, which I why I didn’t write about it at the time.
I’ve never been to a Klan rally.
It’s true that I went to … a wake, on private property, for someone who had recently died. I also distinctly remember saying at the time that there was no future in Klan rallies, and that the Klan would be better off transforming itself into some kind of pro-White folkish charity organization to help poor Whites in Appalachia.
Did you know that I met Mike Lawrence of Volksfront when I was in Virginia? Here’s what Lawrence told the SPLC after Volksfront disbanded:
Lawrence continues:
In other words, Mike Lawrence eventually came to the same conclusion, someone who has far, far, far more experience with that scene than you do.
For all your talk about “unity,” you seem to spend a lot of your time lashing out at other nationalists. Before Murfreesboro, it was the League. More recently, it was Joe Adams of The White Voice.
Matt, I wouldn’t expect you to understand or care for the South’s historical social order. However, I will say that it was a order that worked – unlike today’s social order. It was far superior to what we suffer under today. I make no apologies for the Old South, just as I make no apology for the classical civilisations that preceded the Old South and upon which it was based. If you want to try and appeal to the Northern White working class with rhetoric about class warfare that’s your concern. As I say, I would like to see nationalist groups in other regions besides the South. But that sort of talk about a culture you don’t like or understand as having ‘offensive and distracting rebel flags… and an affection for a historical social order which involved owning people as property’ is a sure way to turn off Southerners. It highlights why we need regional nationalist movements in the USA – because Whites here are not a single nation/culture of people.
Palmetto,
You entirely missed my point. My point is that you and Brad are vulgar goofballs waving around offensive symbols for other identitarians.
You’ve got an odd way of showing it.
You entirely missed my point. My point was that you’re proud of a social order which involved owning millions of people, and yet you’re just so darn sure that you and Brad are mainstream and image-friendly relative to the NSM. It’s a simple matter of self-awareness.
I fully agree, and I fully support Southern Nationalism. But when you and Hunter are actively and eagerly making a point to attack and insult non-Southern nationalists, repeatedly, deliberately, and unnecessarily, then a response in kind is entirely necessary and appropriate.
Matt, I’m not going to respond to your false assertions. More of the same from you on that front. I will say that I am indeed quite proud of the achievements of the Old South. It was a glorious civilisation, just like the classical civilisations of the old world upon which it was based. While the rest of the Western world embraced Modernism, equality and democracy we did not. And until those things were forced upon us our civilisation was in much better shape than those other places. As George Fitzhugh wrote back in 1854:
‘Whilst all this hubbub and confusion is going on in France and England, occasioned by the intensest suffering of the free laborers, we of the South and of all slaveholding countries, have been “calm as a summer’s evening,” quite unconscious of the storm brewing around us. Yet those people who confess that their situation is desperate, insist that we shall imitate their institutions, starve our laborers, multiply crime, riots and pauperism, in order, we suppose, to try the experiment of Mormonism, Socialism or Communism. Try it first, yourselves!’
-George Fitzhugh, ‘Sociology for the South, page 65, 1854
We go out and say it’s wrong to replace us. We appeal to the public on issues where the public (at least here in the South) overwhelmingly agrees with us. And we fly the State flag of where-ever we are as well as the SN flag – neither of which has caused any controversy with the public at all. We also dress well and speak respectfully. Contrast that to your Nazi friends with their screaming and swastika banners. lol Tell me which one is most likely to leave a positive impression on the public? lol If you want to hang out with the NSM that’s your choice. As I told someone the other day, perhaps y’all should sacrifice a live virgin at your next event and alienate the other .0001% of the population you haven’t yet turned off.
That’s right.
It has nothing at all do with “class.” It is really about exhibitionists who identify with a particular subculture. Just like Goths or hipsters or emo kids in high school.
The vast majority of people have no interest in those subcultures. It doesn’t appeal to them. So when exhibitionists have rallies about immigration, the event becomes about their subculture, and its lack of appeal to people who are outside of it.
Palmetto,
Blah blah blah.
I clearly and directly stated that I don’t care one way or another about your bygone plantation social order. I don’t care to hear you pining wistfully about it any more than I care to hear Nazis pine wistfully about how the Third Reich was a paradise.
You’re trying to change the subject from that of your attacking other groups.
I’ve clearly and directly stated that the League’s strategy is just fine with me. I’m not taking issue with the mainstream advocacy and stylings. You’re trying to change the subject from that of your attacking other groups.
Then. Ignore. Them.
You were told incorrectly.
*eyeroll*
My position hasn’t changed. I still think that the klan rallies and nazi stuff is not the way forward, which is why I’m not a member of those organizations and don’t directly participate in or promote the rituals. My position then, as now, is to be friendly with them, while trying to persuade them in a more pragmatic direction.
Actively promoting unity and solidarity necessarily involves opposing disunity. When you, Palmetto Patriot, and Joe Adams attack other nationalists, I’m going to continue speaking up on their behalf. At the precise moment that y’all stop attacking nationalists as part of your unnecessary posturing routines, everybody will be cool again.
You. Were. Ignored.
The Confederate flag and polygamy, I forgot.
If memory serves, no one had written a thing about you when you lashed out at the League in that tantrum you had at Counter-Currents. If Joe Adams had written something about you, I haven’t seen it. You were the one who attacked him, not the other way around.
In other words, you are defending Craig Cobb’s retarded actions.
Let’s get something straight here: no one objected to the IDEA of a PLE in Leith. So there was no political disagreement. Instead, you are defending Cobb’s idiotic decision to go on “The Trisha Goddard Show,” and to parade around town with guns, harass people, act like a jackass, and scare the shit out of the locals.
That’s okay.
If you’re defending Cobb’s actions and BBQing swastikas with Satanists, I don’t have much else to say to you. What’s next? Solidarity with John de Nugent?
Is Hunter hating on someone?
Come on now!
Re: Captain John
Apparently, John de Nugent is one of Matt’s new allies. We shouldn’t criticize him. Instead, we should embrace him, and put him up on a pedestal. :p
I sincerely hope that the Watson Defense action goes well. Alas – I cannot come. I’m am rooted to my place, this last quarter of 2013 – but that may change rapidly.
Don’t fight, fellas. We’re going to need each other, believe it or not.
That great big Swastika is cool! That’s an ancient Aryan symbol; we need to take it back form the Christ Killers.
I assisted with the assembly and transport. I didn’t participate in the actual ritual.
Your memory serves you correctly. I’m a victim’s advocate serving comrades who’ve been unfairly tossed under the bus by reformed radicals eager to distance themselves from their past. It’s a thankless job.
I didn’t defend Cobb’s ill-advised actions. I’ve been grumbling here and there the entire time about his missteps, and even politely prevailed on him in person about it when I met him in OKC.
I didn’t technically light the swastika, and I didn’t speak with anybody there who made an anti-Christian statement. I suppose there might have been a Satanist somewhere in the mix, and I suppose it would be your SPLC-style MO to characterize an event that some random Satanist might or might not have attended as a Satanic BBQ.
Let me guess: you were giving the Eastern Orthodox salute too, right? :p
“Unity” … blah, blah, blah.
You were the one who attacked the League. Similarly, you were the one who attacked Joe Adams. You also came over here to attack me.
Any why? BBQing swastikas with NSM Satanists, Craig Cobb’s appearance on The Trisha Goddard Show, and finally, John de Nugent’s descent into insanity. My position is that the movement is better off without that kind of unity.
Then why are you lashing out at me and Joe Adams … for criticizing his unbelievably stupid actions?
The NSM was run out of “Joy of Satan” ministries for years.
Matt – if you are hanging with totally bonkers DeNutJob- I’ll pray for you. Seriously. I LIKE you. It will all end in tears…..
Please believe me.
Denise,
I have nothing to do with John DeNugent, and have only chatted with him briefly a couple times. But it’s not about that. Why is Hunter dedicating entire blog posts to singling out random comrades for ridicule? How am I not doing the right thing here by objecting to that sort of destructive behavior?
See, John de Nugent is his “comrade” now.
Matt’s position on “solidarity” with cranks like Craig Cobb logically entails embracing even John de Nugent’s insane ramblings about aliens too.
Both you and Joe attacked him, personally, not merely his actions. It was about him being a bad man, not him being a mistaken or misguided man.
The leadership is different, and assured me that’s no longer the case. I don’t endorse or support everything the NSM thinks or does. I’m not NSM.
This is how every disagreement with Hunter ends, with him repeating the same obvious distortions repeatedly until his opponent grows bored with reminding the audience that they’re distortions.
I didn’t embrace the problematic stuff Cobb was doing, and definitely never embraced JDN’s stuff. I was expressing my opposition to randomly attacking nationalists, which is not synonymous with embracing and agreeing with everybody else who claims to be pro-White.
And now I’m bored with it. *hat tip*
Is John de Nugent included under the umbrella of “solidarity”? You just called him a “comrade” and scolded me from drawing a line that excluded him from our ranks. For the record, Don Black banned John de Nugent from Stormfront for obvious reasons.
In other words, your position is that Craig Cobb and John de Nugent are “nationalists,” and should be included under your umbrella of “solidarity” and “unity” as fellow “comrades,” and you believe in attacking people like Joe Adams who draw a line, a standard, in which such people are criticized for their behavior (as Cobb was recently) or excluded ridicule down on the movement.
1.) First, Joe Adams had publicly supported Craig Cobb, and only turned on him (like almost everyone else in the movement) after the twin disasters of his appearance on The Trisha Goddard Show and being charged with multiple felonies for terrorizing his neighbors.
2.) Second, I never supported Craig Cobb because of his character (neither did Don Black, and for the same reasons), and I only brought him up here for the reasons that Adams criticized him.
Jeff Schoep was around through all of that.
Let’s review:
1.) Matt marches around the campus of Indiana University wearing armbands with signs that say “Lynch the Modern World.” I thought that was a bit strange, but I didn’t saying about it.
2.) Matt is attacked at the Tim Wise protest. I posted about that, and sympathized with Matt.
3.) Matt is harassed by the “anti-fa” in Washington, DC. I posted about that, and sympathized with Matt.
4.) Matt appears in Philadelphia with the Keystone State Skinheads. I said nothing about that.
5.) Matt attacks the League on Counter-Currents the day before the Murfreesboro protest. I said nothing about that episode.
6.) Heimbach appears in Kentucky at the Aryan Terror Brigade event and is kicked out of the League of the South. That wasn’t my fault. I had nothing to do with that decision.
7.) Matt appears at the NSM rally in Kansas City, hoists a gigantic swastika on camera, and gets his picture taken in front of a giant flaming swastika with the NSM. Once again, I said nothing about that either.
So what does Matt do? He comes here to attack me for criticizing Craig Cobb for acting like a moron and jackass after be brought more embarrassment to the White Nationalist movement than any other person in the last twenty years.
Okay. There’s your excuse for attacking Cobb. A bit of an exaggeration, but whatever.
And your excuse for clapping along with the attack on Heimbach, well, …’optics’.
I’m still not quite clear on what the point was in attacking JDN, other than indulging a habit of singling out and attacking nationalists.
In twelve years, I have seen a ton of crazy people come and go, but I have never seen anyone make a bigger laughingstock of White Nationalism than Craig Cobb. They are still laughing at him:
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-white-supremacist-20131120,0,6029460.story
Feel free to tell me what I was supposed to do do.
When it first came out that Heimbach was supposed to speak at the NSM rally (this was mid-September), I helped smooth the situation over and made the problem go away for a few weeks. Afterwards, Matt decided to go to the Aryan Terror Brigade event, and then he announced on Trad Youth that he was going to speak at the NSM rally after all:
http://www.tradyouth.org/2013/10/solidarity-or-stigma-on-my-speaking-at-an-upcoming-nsm-event/
Three days later, the SPLC published that photo of him. He was kicked out of the League for saying he wasn’t going to speak at the NSM event and later deciding to do it anyway. Go on and explain what I had to do with any of that. I’ve never attacked Heimbach here or anywhere.
John de Nugent has been bombarding me with crazy emails for months. The point of bringing up de Nugent is that your “unity” or “solidarity” strategy would require us to embrace and defend even all the crazy shit he says. You seem to want people like that to be identified with White Nationalism in the public mind.
My repeated emphasis has been on “dynamic silence” or “constructive criticism”, not on embracing the behaviors of people deemed problematic. And I’ve repeatedly clarified that I’m not insisting that everybody embrace and defend everybody.
At this point, you know what I’ve been trying to say, and yet you insist on making this a spectacle of attacking and doxxing everybody to your right. You’re eager to tug every loose thread on every sweater to the right of you, and you’re encouraging Joe and others to follow suit.
Back to monuments:
The real argument for keeping them is that THEIR REMOVAL IS PART of the list of Genocide. (Desecrating historical artifacts.)
Genocide is not only immoral and bad, it is illegal.
Momument removal is part of Genocide, and that is a documented fact.
If one were removing an Indian monument, a mound or something, it would be seen as part of Genocide. If too many non-black businesses move into Harlem NY, a rally occurs. And so on.
YOU are the one who isn’t practicing “dynamic silence.” It was YOU who lashed out at the League, who lashed out at Joe Adams, and now you are over here on my website lashing out at me.
This was after we IGNORED everything that you were doing (except when we took your side when you were attacked in Indiana and pushed around by “anti-fa” in DC). I didn’t write any articles criticizing you. I didn’t bitch about you on Facebook. I certainly didn’t go to your website to attack you either.
Yes, I posted about Craig Cobb, not because I simply dislike the guy (I ignored his Leith project for three months), but because 1.) he was making international headlines and 2.) every major newspaper in America was talking about him and 3.) and no one at the time was talking about anything else as a consequence.
I’m calling bullshit.
You know very well that my criticism of Craig Cobb had nothing to do with politics. I never had any objection to the concept of a PLE in Leith. I even said on this website that the concept was sound, but Cobb had blown the opportunity through his own retarded actions that you are defending.
Mjodr and others who have commented on Craig Cobb have built a successful PLE in Kalispell:
http://www.fatguyinmontana.com/
That is correct, Matt Parrott did not participate in the ritual, the group photo op was not part of the ritual.
Good comment on monument removal as genocide, DixieGirl.
Re: associating with Nazis, or expressing sympathy toward them, or even failing to laugh at them:
Neo-Nazis are the new DEVILS according to Mainstream WN — and those who ASSOCIATE with the Devils are the new Samaritans, of Mainstream WN — and those who associate with the Samaritans (who associate with Neo-Nazis) become ritually unclean themselves, in the movement or subculture of Mainstream WN.
It is also not kosher in Mainstream WN not to blame whites and not to downplay the role of Talmudism in the present Tyranny.
I don’t care what the NSM is doing.
“I just helped assemble and carry the giant swastika, I didn’t light it.”
Thanks for the clarification, and obviously that proves folks like HW are way off base for criticizing you. Now, had you actually been part of lighting the giant swastika and the ritual that followed, THEN there would be legitimate cause for criticism!
lol
Do any of you have any intentions of helping the millions of Whites that are not so interested in your esoteric political debates?
To me, the problem with these radical groups is style not substance. Some nationalists push subversive ideas but look utterly conventional. But they operate in the seminar room rather than the street because ideas are their domain (ex: Taylor, MacDonald, NPI). The most active WNst street groups definitely seem to prefer using the opposite approach, adopting public imagery that guarentees their message will be dismissed out of hand in way, for example, NPIs won’t. It’s a shame because most of these groups are right on substance. The NSM could take the streets as The United Nationalist Movement and deliver the exact same message wearing Brooks without losing the audience as soon the audience takes one look at them.
Agreed, Lew. Some folks have attacked in the League for not flying the CBF at our recent anti-immigration. They’ve said that we are PC. In fact, our message at these events was opposition to any Third World immigration. That is certainly not a PC message. We presented this strongly nationalist message while dressed well, holding professional signs and using flags that were not a focus of the media’s attention. The result has been that media coverage has focused on our message and we have connected pretty well with the local people where we’ve gone. This is far more effective than as you say (quite accurately) ‘adopting public imagery that guarantees their message will be dismissed out of hand.’
A question of you Confederates was the CBF actually flown during a battle? It seems more like a political prop from our reactionary days.
You appear to have made the right decision with the flag. You (LOS) push a non-conservative, subversive message (secede); you do it in the real world without any distracting or alienating imagery; and you focus on peoples’ real-world concerns (immigration). It’s a good combination.
Matt, rewind to 2009. Would the views on solidarity that you’ve developed in the last year or so have required you to defend James von Brunn? He was certainly fighting to secure the existence of white people so it would seem wrong to attempt distance yourself from him. On the other hand, defending him would mean that either you believe no act performed to further the white cause could be counterproductive or that even if an act is counterproductive it’s the thought that counts. Either way, I think very few people would agree with you.
Silver,
No one ever asks leftists such questions, i.e. whether they’re being inconsistent by not showing solidarity with people like Christopher Dorner.
Parrot himself has gone to some lengths to elaborate his concept of solidarity (whereas most people just decide on these things as they go). One way to question the wisdom of no-questions-asked solidarity is to point out cases where it seems like more trouble than it’s worth.
Your response seems to have totally misread my intention. In your mind I’m trying to make Parrot look bad or something. This goes back to your conviction that anyone critical of certain aspects of WN is immediately suspect and probably just itching to obliterate whites (PGRT-style). I doubt anything I can say here will change your opinion about that, but I would remind you that by the criteria Parrot himself once laid out I qualify as an “ally” (I think that was the term he used), so it makes complete sense for me to be concerned about the ideas and behaviors of people I’m allying myself with. Think about it.
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