District of Corruption
The U.S. Senate has passed “comprehensive immigration reform,” 68-32. The vote among Southern senators was 17-13 against the bill. The vote among Northeastern senators was 21-1 in favor of the bill.
Note: The cloture vote passed this morning, 68-32. Among Southern Republicans, Corker, Alexander, Rubio, and Graham voted for cloture. They were joined by Nelson, Landrieu, Pryor, McCaskill, Hagan, Warner, Kaine, Rockefeller, and Manchin.
The bill is dead in the water when it reaches the House.
It is dead because Southern Republicans have always been stronger in the House than the Senate. I’ve been waiting on this vote to finish my upcoming article which will show how the South has voted on every major immigration bill since 1965.
Who was the one northern Senator to vote against this beast?
How did Rand Paul vote?
To his credit, Rand Paul voted against it. Pat Toomey was the only Northeastern senator who voted against it.
I’m sure the final vote was the same as the cloture vote:
http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/votes/113/senate/1/167
New England (Maine, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Rhode Island) – 12 out of 12 voted “aye”
Mid-Atlantic States (New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Delaware) – 9 out of 10 voted “aye”
Lower South (Alabama, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas) – 10 out of 14 voted “nay”
Upper South (Arkansas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia, Virginia, North Carolina) – 9 out of 16 voted “aye”
Midwest (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, South Dakota, North Dakota) – 13 out of 22 voted “aye”
West Coast (California, Oregon, Washington, Hawaii) – 8 out of 8 voted “aye”
Interior West (Alaska, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, Utah, Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona) – 15 out of 20 voted “aye”
“Midwest (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, South Dakota, North Dakota) – 13 out of 22 voted “aye””
Bread basket agriculture federal funded subsidies.
How many times have we said here that the Northeast, the West Coast, and the Upper Midwest drag down the rest of the country?
You have to admire their solidarity: every single senator from New England and the West Coast voted for amnesty. Every senator from the Northeast – with the lone exception of Pat Toomey – voted for this damn thing.
OD’s version of the Mantra: If it were not for the existence of the Union, this wouldn’t be happening!!
Dissolve the Union.
I got like a dozen emails over the last 24 hours from NumbersUSA telling us to call our Senators and vote against this bill. Yet the Senate voted 68-32 anyway. That’s a crushing defeat, and it indicates that even if this bill fails in the House, this will probably be the last “victory” over amnesty that Amurrica ever experiences. They’ll break down the doors the next time it comes up for vote in a few years.
No aye’s from Ne. Ks. Okla. or Tex..
They’ll break down the doors the next time it comes up for vote in a few years.
And that will be another lesson in the futility of working with the system or hoping for reform.
I hope this thing passes the US House. The Southland’s collective sigh of relief if it is defeated would not be helpful in radicalising our people.
I knew it was a waste of time.
I never had any doubt that Sessions and Shelby would vote against it. I also never had any doubt that the Northeast, West Coast, and Upper Midwest would push the bill through the Senate.
If there is a House vote on amnesty, you can count on every single House member from New England to vote for the bill like they did with the DREAM Act in 2010. I’ve been saying for years now that the Northeast is driving the decline of the whole country and that turning things around will require secession from the Union.
Creating the Union with the Northeast was without a doubt the single worst decision we ever made in our entire history. Among other things, gay marriage, gun control, illegal alien amnesty, and “climate change” are issues solely because of the existence of the Union.
West Coast (California, Oregon, Washington, Hawaii) – 8 out of 8 voted
“aye”“si”Rand Paul voted no, but I take his no vote as the functional equivalent of a yes. He has made it clear that his only problem with this bill is that it didn’t grant enough work permits quickly enough.
Hunter wrongly lumps Maryland and Delaware in with the Mid-Atlantic states, Missouri with the Upper South and Alaska with the Interior West. If we go by the census bureau’s definitions of the 4 regions (used by the media and everyone else), then the vote breaks down like this:
Northeast: 17-1
Midwest: 14-10
South: 16-16
West: 21-5
If we further break it down to the 9 sub-regions, then the vote looks like this:
New England: 12-0
Mid-Atlantic: 5-1
Great Lakes: 7-3
Great Plains: 7-7
South Atlantic: 12-4
East South Central: 2-6
West South Central: 2-6
Mountain: 11-5
Pacific Coast: 10-0
So the New England and Pacific Coast senators unanimously voted for this disgraceful bill and, as a regional bloc, only the Transappalachian Southern senators voted against it. Hopefully it will be DOA in the House.
Maryland and Delaware are Mid-Atlantic states which have been overrun by the same Northeastern gangrene that has infected Northern Virginia. There are pockets of Maryland and Delaware which are still Southern, but the bulk of the population is black/non-Southern transplants.
How is Delaware a Southern state, but not Missouri? That makes no sense at all. Missouri is more of a Southern state than Maryland or Delaware or arguably even Florida.
Alaska is an Interior West state like Montana or Idaho.
Vice prez Joe Biden from Delaware- cock sucking libs. Delaware intrastate commerce.
Here’s the county level map that Colin Woodard uses in American Nations:
http://www.occidentaldissent.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/colin-woodward-american-nations.jpg
Southern Missouri, Eastern Oklahoma, and Southeastern Kansas are part of Greater Appalachia. It is part of the Upper South. Maryland’s Eastern Shore and Southern Delaware are part of Tidewater while Wilmington, Northern Virginia, and the area around I-95 that runs from Baltimore to DC are part of the Midlands.
Southern Delaware is part of the South. That’s the area that nominated Christine O’Donnell. Wilmington is just an extension of Philadelphia. It is indisputably part of the Northeast, not the South.
My cousin grew up in Juneau, and has lived in Anchorage ever since he got out of the army in ’06. Alaska, despite it’s frontier culture and reliably Republican voting history, is in fact socially very, very liberal. Very similar to Oregon and Washington. I wouldn’t call Alaska ‘Interior West all, geographically or culturally. More like PNW or Cascadia.
How is Delaware a Southern state, but not Missouri?
Take it up with the census bureau, not me. Delaware has always been considered a Southern state: slavery, Jim Crow, south of the Mason-Dixon line, etc. Missouri, despite its history of slavery and Jim Crow, is considered a Midwestern state for geographical reasons.
Alaska is an Interior West state like Montana or Idaho.
Alaska has the longest coastline of any state by far. The only way to get into the capital city, Juneau, is by air or sea. This one’s a no-brainer, Alaska is undoubtedly a Pacific Coast state.
Here’s the map used by Joel Garreau:
http://www.occidentaldissent.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/ninenations.png
Juneau is part of “Ecotopia” which runs down the West Coast past San Francisco. The rest of Alaska is part of “Empty Quarter” or what Woodard calls “Far West.”
Hunter, Woodward’s map doesn’t mean anything. An in any case, your overreaching. You cannot seriously claim a huge swath of friggin’ Ohio of all places, as ‘The Upper South’, let alone a traditionally Midwestern state like Missouri. What if I decided that Florida, with it’s large Italian American population, is now the “Lower North”?
Southern Missouri is part of the South. Northern Missouri is part of the Midwest and the St. Louis area is a mix of the two.
Southern Illinois, Southern Indiana, and Southern Ohio were all settled by the Scots-Irish whose ancestors moved there from Kentucky and Virginia.
My new girlfriend lives in St. Louis and describes Missouri in the exact same way that Woodward has depicted it: Northern Missouri is heavily Germanic and part of the Midwest like Iowa, Southern Missouri is more like Arkansas, Tennessee, and Kentucky, and the St. Louis area is a mix of the Midwest and Upper South.
South Florida is not part of the South. Northern Florida is unquestionably part of the Deep South. Central Florida is a mixed area.
Here’s another map from Garreau:
http://www.occidentaldissent.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Nine-nations.png
Southern Missouri is part of the South.
Here’s a map from the Census Bureau:
http://www.occidentaldissent.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/anglo-american.png
Once again, Southern Missouri is Anglo-Celtic like Arkansas, Tennessee, and Kentucky.
http://www.occidentaldissent.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/bible_belt_map_baptist.gif
Even Northern Missouri is part of the Bible Belt.
“Southern Illinois, Southern Indiana, and Southern Ohio were all settled by the Scots-Irish whose ancestors moved there from Kentucky and Virginia.”
So what? Abraham Lincoln was Kentucky-born, of parents whose ancestors moved there from Virginia.
Missouri was a slave state and a Jim Crow state. It was also a Confederate state.
When Lincoln ran for the Senate in Illinois against Douglas, he emphasized his anti-slavery credentials and his commitment to equality while campaigning among the Yankees in Northern Illinois, and then switched gears and emphasized his commitment to white supremacy while campaigning in Southern Illinois.
The reason Illinois banned free negroes is because antebellum Illinois was dominated by the Scots-Irish who settled Southern Illinois. The same was true of Ohio and even Oregon which were settled by Scots-Irish from the Upper South.
The University of Missouri is even part of the SEC now. :p
The Baptist map shows that Oklahoma, Missouri, and Kentucky are culturally part of the South:
http://www.occidentaldissent.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/bible_belt_map_baptist.gif
Some of the most fervently Baptist counties in America are in Oklahoma and Northern Missouri. Notice the sharp difference in the number of Baptists in Missouri and Iowa.
“Little Egypt” in extreme Southern Illinois is also culturally part of the South.
Left Coast/Atzatlan 16-0
Northeast 21-1
Midwest/Interior 19-15
South 12-16
However, votes in the Senate can hide pockets of conservatism. 3 of the 7 reps. with top Numbers USA scores are all from east Tennessee, but both Tenn. senators voted for amnesty.
But I have to admit, Northern conservatives have no right to demand the South stick around for the coming Thermopylae. Get yourselves to saftey if you want. As for us, maybe we can still take back America. The greater the odds, the more glorious the victory.
(When the dust settles, we’ll just have to find a new flag to replace the glorious old 13 striped star spangled banner. Perhaps the Prinzvlag, abandonned by the Netherlands and South Africa, will once again fly over a reclaimed Manhatten? Under that banner our Nordic Protestant ancestors defeated Philip II and Louis IV, enemies far more formidable than Bloomberg.)
“The University of Missouri is even part of the SEC now :p”
– Well then I totally concede my position. I mean, if college niggerball is says it’s so, then it be so!
I’m planning a trip to Missouri next month to retake the state for Dixie. :p
Fuck you, Whites Unite. You don’t speak for shit. The Betsy Ross flag is part of the American soul. It stays no matter what. You can take your Protestant shit rags and dress your mother’s corpse with ’em.
Hunter, here’s how I would split the disputed states:
Dixie can take the Southern half of Missouri, we get the Northern half. The whole of Illinois stays with us. You guys can have New Mexico and Arizona as well. We’ll keep all of California and Nevada. You guys can have Maryland, but give us Delaware. We’ll give you back Virginia and you can take Kentucky, but we keep West Virginia. Washington DC becomes a “DMZ” of sorts, similar to the one in Korea.
Whoa. Hunter Wallace could be a St. Louisan-in-law soon?
I can just see you warshing your dishes in the zinc.
Actually, when Missouri allowed slavery, the % of the population that was black slaves was higher in northern Missouri counties than it was in southern Missouri counties save the Delta, for obvious reasons.
The point is is that the census bureau’s definitions of the regions and sub-regions are ubiquitous: everybody uses them. When, say, the Pew Center does a statistical analysis of the South and the Midwest, the former always includes Maryland and Delaware, and the latter always includes Missouri. And Alaska is *always* considered a Pacific Coast state.
For consistency’s sake, when we talk about “the South”, people will take it to mean the most widely held definition of the South, that being the 16 states south of the Mason-Dixon line, so that’s the definition we should always use except when otherwise specified. Like the 17-state Greater South would also include Missouri, the 11-state Confederate South, the 7-state Deep South, etc.
I agree with you that parts of Missouri and some other areas just north of the Ohio River are more Southern culturally than, say, South Florida or the Washington DC metro area. But these are anomalies that shouldn’t lead to us arbitrarily changing the widely accepted definitions of the South and Midwest, especially when we’re doing a regional voting analysis like this.
This senate vote also supports my contention that there is an emerging political divide in the South running along the ridgeline of the Appalachians. The South Atlantic senators voted 12-4 for amnesty, while the Transappalachian senators voted 12-4 against it. Though to be fair, in my definition (as opposed to the census bureau’s) West Virginia should be part of Transappalachia rather than the South Atlantic, which would change the SA vote to 10-4 and the TA vote to 6-12.
Chris,
I admire your spirit, but if you have anything to say about my mother wait until we are in the same room together so that I can teach you some manners.
Hunter,
The next time a comment containing a threat and/or insult directed at my family is allowed through moderation, I will permanently cease commenting here.
Also two of the Gang of 8 are from the South Atlantic states. Needless to say, none are from Transappalachia.
When the USA breaks up the South will be turned over to Southern nationalists. No problem. We have to tear this sucker down first. I don’t see how that is going to happen as of yet.
Missouri is ethnically, culturally, religiously, and historically a Southern state. It was part of the South during the antebellum era. It was a Confederate state. It was also part of the Jim Crow South.
Missouri is more a part of the Bible Belt than Florida or Louisiana. Maryland and Delaware are Catholic states. Baltimore is a Northern city. It doesn’t look like any Southern city that I have ever seen.
Northern Missouri is more Southern than South Florida. There is no such thing as “Transappalchia” either. The Appalachia mountains separate Tennessee and Kentucky from Virginia and North Carolina.
Alabama, Georgia, and Florida are part of the coastal plain. We’ve been over this before. I’m standing less than a quarter of a mile from the Chattahoochee River that divides Alabama and Georgia and no one who lives here is aware of any “Transappalachia” that divides our two states.
Both Alabama and Georgia’s senators voted against amnesty. Lindsey Graham voted for amnesty, but it is ridiculous to assume that Graham’s views are representative of South Carolinians who passed an immigration law like Alabama and Georgia.
Tennessee’s two senators voted for amnesty like both senators from West Virginia. Culturally, West Virginia, Kentucky, and Tennessee are all Upper South states.
@Whites Unite
Get over yourself. No one threatened or insulted your mother (I did however insult your Protestant religion, a thing for which I have nothing but contempt) and in case you hadn’t noticed, everybody insults and threatens each other on here all the time.
And PS – “Teach me some manners”? *sigh* OK, sure. I’m still waiting for Stonelifter to show up after he twice promised to kill me, so in the meantime just throw me an email if you want to try your luck.
Hunter Wallace says:
June 27, 2013 at 8:41 pm
‘It is dead because Southern Republicans have always been stronger in the House than the Senate.’
Thank goodness for those Southern Republicans!!
I am proud of Toomey.