Slavery Myths: Life Expectancy

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Here’s the average life expectancy at birth for American slaves in 1850 compared to the life expectancy of various “free” populations around the world:

U.S. White – 40
England and Wales, 1838-1856 – 40
Holland, 1850-1860 – 36
France, 1854-58 – 36
U.S. Slave – 36
Italy, 1885 – 35
Austria, 1875 – 31
Chile, 1920 – 31
Manchester, England, 1831 – 24
New York, Boston, and Philadelphia, 1830 – 24

Note: This information also comes from Time on the Cross: The Economics of Negro Slavery.

What do you suppose the average life expectancy for a negro was in malaria-infested, yellow fever-infested, river blindness-infested West Africa and Central Africa in 1850? What do you suppose the healthcare system was like in, say, the Democratic Republic of Congo in 1850?

John
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Just as I thought!

Additionally this indicates low infant mortality.

That today’s black has a significantly lower expectancy than whites is a result of “Freedom” and its consequences.

John
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http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jun/05/science/la-sci-life-expectancy-gap-20120606

Black life expectancy seems to have dipped after abolition.

John
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In 1850s the black could expect 36 years.
In 1900s the black Expected 32 years.
I wonder what happened?

Nowadays they live 5-6 years less than whites on average.

313Chris
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Hunter & John, would you rather live a long life as a slave, as someone’s literal physical property, or live a shorter life as a free man?

John
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That’s not the question, Chris. Simply comparing and contrasting living standards is very important.

However 1/3 Black men spend their twenties in tiny tiny jail cells. They ain’t free. Natures slaves.

John
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You need to find a biography for an average Julius and an average Shitavious. Compare and contrast Negro Slavius with Negro Contemporaneous.

John
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Life expectancy isnt about living a long life per se. It is a record of childhood infant mortality and general nutrition. The nignogs actually had it very very good in comparison to Spaniards, Italians, Austrians, Russians, Irish.

Only the Brits and Americans were better off. Surviving slavery? Hook me up to the bloody matrix.

John
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Btw the expectancy gap between white men and black men is 14 years.

Think about that. Freedom failed these apes.

jack ryan
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Just don’t think it’s effective political rhetoric to be defending, glorifying Black slavery as a campaign issue in this year 2012.

White American GOP political candidates seem to insist in putting their foots in their/our mouths, alienating the (White) electorate by implying ridiculous nonsense such desiring to bring back Black slavery because it was better for the economy, better for Blacks as Blacks are capable of living healthy, productive lives as free American men.

Yeah, there may be some truth in these statements, it just doesn’t sit well with voters in this year 2012.

jack ryan
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Made some typos there – should have read:

“as Blacks are (supposedly) not capable of living healthy, productive lives as free American men.

jack ryan
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I hope everyone reading OD can accept the truth that bring millions of Black Negro slaves to the United States was a bad thing as bad as allowing, promoting the invasion of our country by tens of millions of low IQ, unskilled Mestizo illegal/legal aliens under the lie that we need these “hard working” Hispanics to do the work Americans won’t do. That White agribusiness owner – the Onion King of Georgia tried ( a few years back ) to make the same argument that he/America needs these illegal alien Hispanic workers because (White) American workers won’t work 6 days… Read more »
John Bonaccorsi, Philadelphia
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John Bonaccorsi, Philadelphia

That’s not the question, Chris.

Yes, it is, John.

Hook me up to the bloody matrix.

Don’t worry, John. The Democrats are exerting themselves daily to do just that.

John Bonaccorsi, Philadelphia
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John Bonaccorsi, Philadelphia

It’s just amazing to me. HW starts out defending slavery, and now this blog is turning into Communist central. Occidental Conformity.

John
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Eh?

The stats prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Americanized blacks were not oppressed by slavery. It looks like a fluffy cushion by comparison to contemporary Europe.

John Bonaccorsi, Philadelphia
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John Bonaccorsi, Philadelphia

It looks like a fluffy cushion by comparison to contemporary Europe.

Uh-huh.

John
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Yes indeed. It’s unspeakable, but also borne out by the comparable life expectancy stats.

John Bonaccorsi, Philadelphia
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John Bonaccorsi, Philadelphia
Mr. W. — I’ll state your view, as I understand it. 1 — Work is a disgrace. A white man of worth avoids the status of worker, whether as serf, slave, sharecropper, or hireling. 2 — Throughout most of history, it was not possible for all whites to avoid work, because whites knew only whites and work had to be done. White men of worth exerted themselves to form stratified polities, in which work was done only by other whites (the lower orders). 3 — A major problem in those stratified societies was that the lesser whites were not tractable;… Read more »
Apuleius
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There was nothing inherently wrong about the institution of slavery. Liberal economics are inextricably linked to liberalism. Both are predicated upon false assumptions such as equality, etc… Outdated 18th century notions that were always more moonshine than reality. John B., despite our differences, you seem intellectually honest. What’s your take on the following video as it relates to HW’s “defense” of slavery and the traditional white perspective on the races? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKkJi8xorac Slavery was the best thing that ever happened to negroes. It wasn’t bad for whites until the spectre of liberalism showed up with its emphasis on all forms of… Read more »
Rudel
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Let it be said that only 25% of households in the South owned even one slave regardless of the particular circumstances of the Chattahoochee Valley.

John
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A parody scene in Spielberg’s new Lincoln movie would be quite funny. Have the movie intercut with Lincoln’s histrionics and some Trayvons beating people on the buses. Five minutes of the local news from South Chicago… All that good stuff. Some reports on ghetto lobster and Knoxville horrid too. Then the fakery of the Duke Lacrosse case.

Sentimental hypocrites.

John Bonaccorsi, Philadelphia
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John Bonaccorsi, Philadelphia
I thank you for the link, Apuleius, but I confess I can’t make any sense of the Evola quotations in that video. Whether that’s because Evola is prattling or because, alternatively, his statements are beyond my comprehension, I don’t know. Here’s one of the quotations: “A worldview is based not on books, but on an inner form and a sensibility endowed with an innate, rather than acquired, character … In every civilization but the modern one, it was a ‘worldview’ and not a ‘culture’ that permeated the various strata of society; where culture and conceptual thought were present, they never… Read more »
John Bonaccorsi, Philadelphia
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John Bonaccorsi, Philadelphia

So, am I right, Mr. W.? Your dream is of a world in which all workers will be black slaves and all non-workers will be white?

Apuleius
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Economic interests are connected to the basest part of human nature, the realm of the physical, traditionally regarded as the lowest part. Reductionist modern post-Enlightenment liberalism rejects any but these basest concerns and is blind to any other. So you get your morally incompetent corporate capitalist nanny state that satisfies physical needs while ignoring all other human needs, such as those connected to any higher aspirations or purpose. Teleological bankruptcy. As an example: what is wrong with this picture? http://www.nisd.net/studentlocator/ Additionally, why is it that so many white people can be convinced that integration is a necessity in their societies,… Read more »
John
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The logic of the enlightenment is a mestizo shooting an aspiring black astronaut in a gated cummunity that is itself half Hispanic and a quarter black. Then blaming it all on white devils. That’s actually what Jefferson, Robespierre, Lincoln, Wilberforce, WEB Dubois, Skip Gates, Kennedy and MLK dreamt about.

John Bonaccorsi, Philadelphia
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John Bonaccorsi, Philadelphia
I knew my cheeseburger remark was a slow pitch over the plate to you, Apuleius, but I figured I’d go with it. Whether Evola would approve of a civilization that has made room for the likes of Homer Simpson and me, I can’t yet say; but as long as the subject has come up, are we really just talking about a cheeseburger? Well, probably we are–but just for the heck of it: When I take that drive, I am able to appreciate the infinite decisions that lie behind everything I experience: the roads, the automatically-operating traffic lights, the cars, the… Read more »
John Bonaccorsi, Philadelphia
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John Bonaccorsi, Philadelphia

Should the Thirteenth Amendment be repealed, Mr. W., in case there arises some situation in which, as you would maintain, slave labor is superior to free labor?

PS The beauty of a cotton field has been remarked by another American writer, too: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/408/408-h/408-h.htm#chap08

stonelifter
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like it or not slavery was the economic engine of the nation. yankees would nit have had their manufacturing bidness with out cheap raw goods, protective tariffs, a lock on shipping or a protected domestic market without the Southron slave economy. Saying it was a mistake leaves out a lot of questions. Questions those who say it was a mistake don’t ask or address

Mosin Nagant
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“The control of the master over his slave and the ability to use force solves the Negro Question by compensating for racial differences in intelligence and character. Slavery alters the character and behavior of negroes by using force to instill discipline. The greater intelligence of the master is put to use managing the labor of the negro which is part of his financial portfolio. Left to his own devices, the free negro is a poor manager of his own labor. He is a slave of his passions. The master breaks that relationship because he is motivated only by financial self… Read more »
Mosin Nagant
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“Slavery alters the character and behavior of negroes by using force (…) Left to his own devices, the free negro is a poor manager of his own labor.”

Being left alone and free in their home environment, the natural selection process might improve their character over a long period of time. The best managers of their own labour and the most intelligent would naturally tend to survive longer, reproduce more, etc., in their natural environment (Africa) and perhaps advance more rapidly than in the “coddling” artificial environment of the institution of slavery.

Mosin Nagant
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Suppose that eugenics in the institution of slavery could improve their character much more rapidly than the natural process in Africa. That might result in the enslavement of full equals, after a long time, and in any case it would be “playing God,” too unnatural, and considered immoral under almost any moral system. But then, “eugenics” in the institution of slavery would select for physical attributes that maximise profit rather than those that would seem to create moral and intellectual equality.

Mosin Nagant
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“The slaves on our plantations in the Deep South generally had better healthcare – universal coverage, Mastercare – than John Bonaccorsi’s ‘free’ ancestors in Italy and Philadelphia (…) ‘The slave diet was not only adequate, it actually exceeded modern (1964) recommended levels of the chief nutrients. On average, slaves exceeded the daily recommended levels of proteins by 110 percent, calcium by 20 percent, and iron by 230 percent. Surprisingly, despite the absence of citrus fruits, slaves consumed two and one half times the recommended level of vitamin C. Indeed, because of the large consumption of sweet potatoes, their intake of… Read more »
Rudel
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“The summum bonum of human existence is driving an automobile to get a cheeseburger?”

No, the summum bonum of human existence was riding along when I was a kid in my uncles Chevy convertible with my sister and cousins in the summer and with the top down to get an ice cream cone.

You’re going to have to marshal stronger arguments than Evola’s appeals to metaphysics and superstition in order to defeat utilitarianism.

Mosin Nagant
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If the summum bonum is pleasure, and freedom and dignity are illusions, then the benevolence argument is valid.

Mosin Nagant
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The masters have their maximum of “good”, which fortuitously (for the slaves) happens to maximise the good of the slaves. It is all about creating wealth, and hence, pleasure, the summum bonum.

Jack Ryan has the correct view on this thread.

Mosin Nagant
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No one rises to the challenge here, indicating the critical position is considered unassailable.

John
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The world is a vampire. No use pretending otherwise.

Rudel
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“No one rises to the challenge here, indicating the critical position is considered unassailable.”

Nonsense, I assailed it with irrefutable ice cream and convertibles logic. Please substitute beer or cocktails if you are over 21.

I remember when it was perfectly legal to drive while drinking (although not to drive while drunk which was defined as blood alcohol as .12 or higher in some states) in this country before the great emasculation took place.

John Bonaccorsi, Philadelphia
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John Bonaccorsi, Philadelphia

If the summum bonum is pleasure, and freedom and dignity are illusions, then the benevolence argument is valid.

Are you sure about that, Mosin? I would think many persons would prefer freedom to enslavement, regardless of consideration of, say, life expectancy or nutrition, precisely because being enslaved is not pleasurable.

Rudel
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“being enslaved is not pleasurable.”

Neither is starvation.

John Bonaccorsi, Philadelphia
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John Bonaccorsi, Philadelphia

Neither is starvation.

I know that, Rudel; but don’t you think virtually all persons would choose freedom over slavery, no matter how well they might be eating as slaves? I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the slaves who escaped from the South actually did end up eating less well in freedom than they’d eaten in slavery; but still, they would have resisted being enslaved again. Freedom is a supreme pleasure; it might be the prerequisite of pleasure.

Rudel
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“I know that, Rudel; but don’t you think virtually all persons would choose freedom over slavery, no matter how well they might be eating as slaves?” No I don’t. Let’s suppose one is pressed into service as a galley slave in the Mediterranean say in 1500. Most people would row for quite a bit hoping to escape at some point or at least to be able to take out some of your captors. Same is true if you worked in a company town mine and had a family to feed. You would probably work rather than let your children starve.… Read more »
John
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Plenty of people would prepare for revolt while tipping their hat in the meanwhile.
That’s what Special Branch was invented for.

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