Standing Firm

David Duke made inroads into Louisiana politics by staying within the experience of his audience.

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Greg Johnson has written a new article at “Counter Currents” about “Explicit White Nationalism.”  He divides “Explicit White Nationalists” into two groups: the “silents WNs,” who prefer to remain anonymous, and the “explicit WNs,” who are open about their beliefs.

Johnson’s aim is to reduce tension between the two groups on the internet by convincing them to adopt a “couple points of etiquette.” Under his proposal, the “explicit WNs” would refrain from ridiculing the “silent WNs” as cowards and outing their real world identities; the “silent WNs” would refrain from mocking the kooks and sociopaths who are “explicit WNs” and demoralizing the activists at meetings with all their reasons for choosing to stay anonymous.

According to Johnson, “a natural division of labor” suggests itself, which will allow “Explicit White Nationalists” to build a “winning team.” The “explicit WNs” should go public with their beliefs and stand firm for their principles. The “silent WNs” should “write checks” or “stuff cash into envelopes.”

This is based on the theory that for “a silent majority to become self conscious” some people “have to speak out.” This “courageous minority” has to “declare themselves” and “hold their ground long enough” for “the less courageous to gin up the courage to join them.”

By some mysterious process, the crowd will grow by adding “layer upon layer of ever more timid and tepid people” until it reaches a critical mass and becomes a mass movement. Then the opportunists will cast their lot with the resistance and the “new majority” will carry the day.

So write your checks today.

The Merits

Before criticizing this article, I should point out that it is not without merit. Some of this advice would be helpful if it were taken to heart:

1.) First, destructive criticism doesn’t serve any useful purpose. White Nationalists have more than enough reasons to be demoralized. If criticism should be entertained within the movement, it should always serve some constructive end.

2.) Second, browbeating the anonymous “silent WNs” is a waste of time, doesn’t work, and always backfires. They prioritize maintaining their middle class lifestyle over their ideological beliefs. Haranguing them about character will not compel them to endure social ostracism and employment discrimination.


Several problems with Greg Johnson’s rosy scenario are readily apparent:

1.) If Johnson’s advice were taken to heart, the effective result would be less acrimony on White Nationalist websites, which less than 1% of Americans actually read.

It is the equivalent of giving an idle automobile an oil change. The car would run smoother, but it still wouldn’t go anywhere, as it lacks a transmission. It would remain stuck in the driveway, sitting there, with less bickering going on among its passengers.

How so?

Apply Johnson’s advice to the National Socialist Movement. In this case, the bargain struck between “Explicit White Nationalists” would result in the “silent WNs” refraining from criticizing the outlandish characters in the NSM and sending them money to feel better about themselves.

What would that accomplish?

It doesn’t matter how long the NSM “holds their ground” or “speaks out” about the Jews. The “less courageous” will never “gin up the courage to join them.” In fact, it is a mistake to assume that a lack of courage is even the problem, as that is not what is holding the “silent majority” back from joining these fools.

The “silent majority” truly despises the NSM. They dislike Neo-Nazis and Americans who worship Adolf Hitler. They dislike what the NSM represents and associate them with genocide. No amount of patiently waiting will ever result in an NSM victory in the United States.

The NSM is too far outside of the experience of ordinary people.

I fully recognize that White Nationalists are not synonymous with the National Socialist Movement. I’m only using them as an example to illustrate the larger point: you can’t ignore the negative public perception of White Nationalism.

If you ignore the problem, you will fail to communicate with your audience. If you fail to communicate, there won’t be any steady sedimentation of Whites converting to White Nationalism. Instead, there will likely be an erosion, as apathy and disillusionment saps the ranks of the converted.

Indeed, this is what we see today: White Nationalist organizations are smaller, less organized, and more dysfunctional than was the case just a decade ago.

You can stand firm convinced of your own righteousness, but you will be standing for long time, probably forever. That’s a wish, not a strategy.

2.) Without the means to connect with a mass constituency (and none are proposed here), no one is going to respond to the call of White Nationalist revolutionaries, recognize their legitimacy, or even be aware of their very existence.

3.) A radical with a moderate following is a leader in his community. A radical with a radical following has a debating society of anonymous people in cyberspace.

The job of the radical is to lead and organize moderates locally, not organize other radicals a thousand miles away. In every society, radicals are always a small minority of the population.

4.) Without the means to reverse our racial decline, no one has any reason to support Explicit White Nationalists. The vast majority of people who favor changing America’s immigration laws work through effective organizations like FAIR and NumbersUSA.

5.) Power comes from organization. White Nationalists are unwilling to organize. Their lack of organization comes from social ostracism and employment discrimination.

The sedimentation of “layer upon layer of ever more timid and tepid people” presumes that there will in fact be enough Explicit White Nationalists to create viable organizations. Reality suggests otherwise.

Four decades of this “layering” hasn’t produced any White Nationalist organization of any substantial size. It has produced plenty of hopelessly dysfunctional ones.

6.) This whole scenario privileges ideas and rhetorical purity over organization and activism. The inevitable result is threefold: a failure to communicate with our target audience, a failure to set realistic short term goals, and a failure to establish legitimacy in our communities.

The ultimate result has long been on display: no power, no influence, no progress, using the internet as an escape valve, retreating into fantasy worlds, vicious infighting within the movement, apathy, and a crushing sense of defeatism.


Giving people money to stay in their comfort zone and continue to do what they are already doing is unlikely to work. You should only give to political causes when you get something of value in return, say, a book that you enjoy reading, or effective action that produces substantial change in the real world.

“Standing firm” is not a strategy.

It makes sense to “hold your ground” when you have things like legitimacy, a mass following, roots in a community, influence over the political process, and actual power. When the Republican minority in Congress “held their ground” on healthcare, they reaped a political windfall.

But White Nationalists have none of these.

In part, this can be laid at the doorstep of White Nationalist intellectuals, whose job it is to provide clarity and solutions to problems. Unfortunately, White Nationalist intellectuals haven’t done the best job at identifying the problems that are holding back the movement.

– An unwillingness to engage the mainstream.

– A failure to communicate.

– An absence of political realism.

– The idea of organizing radicals.

– Alienation from the target audience.

– A rhetorical radicalism untethered to effective action.

– A refusal to accept nothing less than instant, transformative change.

– Prioritizing rhetoric over organization and legitimacy.

– Creating unnecessary obstacles between activists and the target audience.

These are a few of the most important problems that come to mind.

Social autism results in a failure to communicate.


Right now, there are plenty of White Nationalists scratching their heads, wondering what can be done to reverse our racial decline, who are not satisfied with the existing methods and organizations, which don’t seem to be producing much in the way in change.

What should you do? Go solo.

My humble advice: first, you want to be taken seriously, and you want to get the attention of your target audience, which is your local community. Without legitimacy, no one is going to pay you any attention, or listen to what you have to say.

You won’t be the “advocate” of anyone. Much less a “White Advocate.”

So you should listen first. Research your district. Sketch out the consensus on social and economic issues that prevails in your community. Plant your flag at the furtherest rhetorical point to the right where you have a consensus and mainstream legitimacy.

Establish trust. Develop personal relationships with important leaders in your community. Get them to work together and support causes you care about. Determine the rhetorical goal post immediately to their right which you have a realistic chance of moving them to. Then select tactics appropriate to your resources and audience to nudge them in your direction.

Everyone has done this with a friend. Your friend trusts you. He looks to you for guidance. You know his political views and limits. If you want to influence your friend, he has to think you are on his side. You have a pretty good idea of how far you can get him to go.

So maybe you are having a few beers one night. You are watching the news in a bar. Barack Obama is on television defending some absurd policy. You take advantage of the opportunity to lead your friend into drawing the right conclusion from the experience.

In a collective setting, where dozens or hundreds of people are drawing the same conclusion, the effect is even more powerful. That is the job of the radical organizer. It is to gently lead people in a new direction by allowing them to draw their own conclusions from polarizing experiences.

First you must have your “passport” into the community. So work on acquiring that above all else. This means setting aside your rhetoric until you are on the inside.

It is just like chasing a woman.

You don’t go outside of her experience and “stand firm” in resolute defense of dorky, eccentric behavior. You catch her eye. You come across as sane and normal. After she develops an interest, you proceed from there. Maybe she will accept your quirks and values after becoming attached to you.

That’s not immoral. It is a sensible course of action. Only a fool plays cards by showing everyone his hand.


In many ways, White Nationalists are guilty of segmenting their world. They understand how to influence their own friends and family. They understand how to attract mates. These lessons from other spheres of life would be helpful when applied to their political beliefs.

While helpful, toning down the tension between “Explicit White Nationalists” on the internet is unlikely to accomplish much, even if that were possible. If White Nationalists want to win, they must do something beyond “standing firm” for principles which our society rejects.

They must create the means to move the masses in their direction, come up with a winning strategy, and select tactics appropriate to their audience and resources to accomplish their objective: changing our society.

How many more decades will it take for them to do that?

When it comes to spreading ideas on the Internet, we WN absolutely have to do something different than what we’ve done the last 10-15 years. Writing essays for people who already understand the problem and arguing with each other on discussion forums and in the comments section, while not a total failure, has clearly not had the impact we want either.  I think the emphasis going forward needs to be on creating discrete pieces of propaganda designed to spread through social media that can potentially go viral among a huge audience. That Duke girl’s so called Fuck List power point presentation,… Read more »
Hunter: “The men who died in the American Revolution were willing to face the British army and death itself for their cause. You are unwilling to talk on the telephone, meet someone at a bar, or face down a digital camera. Quit pretending to be a revolutionary.” Again, completely tone deaf. How many men who died in the American Revolution were involved in pre-war agitation? How many Confederates? How many Germans? Yet they fought and died when the time came. But again, according to your “new” philosophy, there would never have been an American Revolution. We would have simply supported… Read more »
Jupiter said: “It is only a matter of time before Jared and Spencer come up against someone with a deep grasp of psychometric and econometric issues along with a deep grasp of the deep conceptual issues in biology” Like Harpending? Or Gottfredson? Or Kanazawa over at Psychology Today? Or Lahn? Or Jensen? Or Rindermann? Obviously, you don’t have a clue about the fields. The HH is a robust theory. I outlined it on my site — occidental ascent. Many Leftists/liberals consider it rather plausible: Flynn, Singer, Haidt. Go read through the comment section over at Nature Opinion forum: topic:… Read more »
Hunter: “When you boil Trainspotter’s prescription down to its essentials, it amounts to nothing more than “spreading ideas” by posting anonymous comments on the internet, which is exactly how White Nationalists have spent the vast majority of their time for the past sixteen years to no effect.” It’s laughable that it didn’t have an effect. It’s educated large numbers of people. Without it, we probably wouldn’t exist at all. Hunter: “You are delusional. 1.) Working through FAIR and NumbersUSA and the political mainstream repeatedly stopped “comprehensive immigration reform” and moved the goal posts on immigration.” More clownishness. I’ve repeatedly said… Read more »


I’m sure our leaders are pissing themselves at the scary thought that Trainspotter is “spreading ideas” at Majority Rights with Soren Renner.

They’re pissing themselves laughing.


Trainspotter means wasting the 2010s on anonymous internet posting on obscure White Nationalist websites

We don’t need thousands of more bullshit anonymous talkers in cyberspace like yourself [Trainspotter]

Trainspotter is the best refutation of his own argument

Trainspotter is clearly utterly ignorant

[Trainspotter] You are delusional

All excellent points that should be obvious to anyone, well said.

The absurdity of how a small group of sociopaths, homosexuals and autistic nerds could save Whites would make a good comedy show.

Notus Wind: “I think you’re missing the point just a bit…The problem is that decades of propaganda have convinced him that such a political goal is immoral.” How am I missing the point? In fact, that is exactly, precisely the point that I was making. The Left has created a vision, a narrative, an aspiration that gives its adherents a sense of moral superiority and righteousness. The Right has not done this. It trots out its charts and statistics, but these do not impart moral superiority. These do not create a powerful vision, or the effect of “I have a… Read more »

Mark: “The absurdity of how a small group of sociopaths, homosexuals and autistic nerds could save Whites would make a good comedy show.”

The irony of this statement is beyond rich. That is precisely what you people ARE, dysfunctional weirdos that no quality person would want to associate with, and then you wonder why you can’t organize so much as a lemonade stand. Who even wants to be around you at all, much less take risks on your behalf? No normal white person, that’s for sure.

Mark: “The absurdity of how a small group of sociopaths, homosexuals and autistic nerds could save Whites would make a good comedy show.” Trainspotter: The irony of this statement is beyond rich. That is precisely what you people ARE, dysfunctional weirdos that no quality person would want to associate with, and then you wonder why you can’t organize so much as a lemonade stand. Who even wants to be around you at all, much less take risks on your behalf? No normal white person, that’s for sure. [NN:] The irony of the latter statement is that a small group of… Read more »
Erik Nordman

I earlier urged Hunter to let this thread keep going, since I learned a lot from both person’s (HW and TS) points of view. However, I would say that not much more can be said without repetition.

I may be totally off here, but I think that the division of labor between Hunters mainstreamers and Trainspotters intellectuals could well complement eachother. Why fight?

According to Trainspotter, “White Nationalist intellectuals” are absolutely sacrosanct and off limits to criticism. We should all be “spreading ideas” such as this. That’s the most important thing we can do. Organizing a power base in the real world is a waste of time. In his worldview, Soren Renner and Constantin von Hoffmeister are more important than, say, David Duke almost becoming Governor of Louisiana. I completely disagree with that perspective. The tension between “White Nationalist intellectuals” and the “mainstreaming” approach is obvious. The former deliberately marginalize themselves by entertaining esoteric ideas. But elites govern in the context, and under… Read more »
Erik Nordman: “I may be totally off here, but I think that the division of labor between Hunters mainstreamers and Trainspotters intellectuals could well complement eachother. Why fight?” You’re not off at all. There is no necessary conflict between those who choose to develop and spread ideas, and those who choose more mainstream approaches. Hunter is about creating strife and disinformation. There is no real conflict. The Left understands this. They have their intellectual wing, an endeavor that has been so successful that huge numbers of white conservatives now accept premises that originated in the Frankfurt School. How did the… Read more »
My time on this blog is coming to an end, as it impossible to argue with lie after lie, misrepresenation after misreprentation. I’ve made my position clear: unless we develop a vision that can supplant the ones that the Left provides, we will lose. It’s that simple. Context matters. That’s not the only thing we have to do, but it is a necessary thing. In response to this position, the dishonesty spews forth. It’s often been said that the Left lies and smears because it has to, because the truth is not on its side. That’s what is happening here.… Read more »

TS, Whose ideas and which ideas are you suggesting that we spread? I am open to being corrected if I am wrong, but my perception is that we don’t have any visible scholars, academics, or intellectuals on our side whose ideas are worth spreading other than KMD. Spreading Yockey’s ideas and the bizzare ideas of mystics like Evola will have no value in an American context.

Hunter: “In July and August, Trainspotter argued in favor of White Nationalists going public in “the leaner years.” He repeatedly said that those who refused to go public should financially support those who do. So he can’t sit here and argue that he hasn’t urged actions upon others that he himself is unwilling to undertake.” I’ll take the time to respond to one last lie, as this one is an absolute whopper, and about a subject that is of particular importance to me. I won’t be checking this thread for future lies, so just assume that I reject Hunter’s statements… Read more »

Thus, I invite the reader to survey the length and quality of the exchange between Trainspotter and Hunter, in order to come to the firm conclusion that, neither in terms of practical political activity nor in terms of intellectual appeal merely to the interest of White Survival, has anything been accomplished or is in prospect.

Practical Idea:



Celestial Time
Trainspotter wants to spend the next sixteen years doing the exact same utterly fruitless activity that White Nationalists have been doing for the last sixteen years: posting anonymous comments on the internet. But you want to spend the next xx years latching on to non-racial party politics when it’s not only been fruitless for White people as far as race goes, it’s been downright hostile. Neither Republican nor Democrat, Right nor Left, Blue nor Red, innies nor outies, etc. can really claim to have played less of a role in shackling White people to their current dismal existence. You, like… Read more »

I’m not sure what your objection to Wallace is, Trainspotter. Even were he now to amend his message to your preferred content you clearly do not think him a worthy vessel for its deliverance. So what are you complaining about, really?


Look at it this way, Train: There is a dish likely to be to the taste of whatever it is you fancy on the buffet table that is internet racism, er, racialism. The only constant of Occidental Dissent, besides its Dixie nostalgia, has been its inconstancy. I’m sure it will once again loop around on itself to deliver a message more to your liking – FAIR and NumbersUSA could never be bothered with such audience pleasing novelty.

Andrew Yeoman

1) We have a duty to criticize and defeat bad ideas.

2) We have a duty to point out unethical behavior of comrades.

To not do either of those for the point of “placing nice with others” will result in bad ideas flourishing and unethical behavior go unpunished. Neither is a desirable outcome.

I do however believe the silent nationalists have a moral obligation to financially help out those that are public.