Interview: Hunter Wallace
Dec 18th, 2009 by Hunter Wallace
I just finished the Jim Giles interview. I will post a hyperlink to the archive whenever it becomes available. It would please me greatly if everyone who reads and/or comments on this site tunes in and posts their reaction.
Update: The hyperlink is now available.
Nice to put a voice to the name, and that’s a fine Southern accent you’ve got there, sir.
Giles seems a bit gung-ho and I understand the appeal, but talking about extermination and pretending to be a tough guy on the net isn’t exactly impressive.
http://205.158.108.67/stuff/toughguy_magazine.jpg
HW,
Everything I had to say was in the Tim Wise thread but I’ll go ahead and copy it over here. It was more or less an exercise in live blogging on my part.
“Giles is f**kin up his interview with HW by banging on about Linder and the possible homosexuality of Johnson. Ridiculous.”
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“Giles wants to act as if this is the dark ages and that reclaiming our civilization is a simple matter of assembling a barbarian horde and charging. If nothing else, that’s clearly what he identifies with.”
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“It is manifestly ridiculous to say that all that needs to be written has already been written. In point of fact, any kind of White ethnostate that we may dream about will face extremely complicated political questions that we haven’t even begun to solve. Who is going to solve these kinds of questions? Ex-football players who’ve been trained to slam someone’s dick in the ground?!
There’s also a recruiting element to this as well. Writers and thinkers can create the requisite intellectual space needed to attract more people.”
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“Still discussing the dysfunctional internal politics of WN’s recent past…”
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“Giles still can’t get beyond the potential sexual orientation of Greg Johnson. Need I say more…”
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“Millirone,
“Next time I would suggest Hunter prepare a list of topics he wishes to discuss because letting Giles control the interview is a disaster.”
While I agree with this suggestion I am not sure that it would’ve made that much of a difference. Giles seemed determined to talk about Linder and his hangups with Johnson. Even if HW had managed to talk about the possible future scenarios under which a White ethnostate could be birthed I am confident that Giles would somehow steer the conversation into an aside about Johnson’s sexuality.”
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“I got the sense that Giles was so taken with Linder’s style that he turned off his more critical faculties.
For that matter, why is Giles doing radio if he’s naturally repulsed by intellects? Now that’s a disconnect.”
Believe me. I’m going to have a lot to say about this interview.
HW,
I also greatly appreciated the opportunity to hear your voice and style of conservation.
Just listening to you I felt like I already knew you. The intellects of our race all speak the same language.
For now, I am going to let everyone tune in and draw their own conclusions. I will post my own thoughts either this evening or tomorrow.
And yeah, Lindstedt vs Linder, now that would be a debate. I think Lindstedt is more than a match for Linder. Jim Giles you should set that up.
That will be like an episode of Deadliest (Internet) Warrior, Christian Identity vs The Anti-Semitic Exterminator.
Who was that clown that called in and said you work for the ADL and sound like Morris Dees?
My last comment.
On the matter of pseudonyms, it is clear to me that the effectiveness of our message is independent of our online handles (so long as they aren’t ridiculous). In most cases, the only thing that we accomplish by dropping our pseudonyms is that we reveal our identity to those who might do us harm, winning the respect of proto-stormtroopers like Giles doesn’t offset this.
Pseudonyms also encourage people to engage in a dialectic that would otherwise incur upon themselves various social costs. More than anything else it is the anonymity of the internet that allows our message to enter mainstream discourse.
“And yeah, Lindstedt vs Linder, now that would be a debate. I think Lindstedt is more than a match for Linder.”
LOL! Now that’s funny. I agree btw. Lindstedt gives the impression of craziness, but he’s no fool.
All this posturing to force people to reveal themselves reminds me of that Israeli Jew from VNN that kept doing that.
(1) I was not particularly impressed with the way Giles conducted the interview. As always, he sounded unprepared. There does not seem to be much focus or structure to his interviews. But maybe that is on purpose. The recent interview with Arthur Kemp was quite good, as Giles seemed to be intimidated by Kemp’s accent.
(2) The sound quality was less than ideal, at least on my end. HW sounded as though he was calling from someone’s basement.
(3) I had the impression HW was frustrated by the much of the discussion (on homosexuality and exterminating Jews) early on, and had a lot more to say in a more considered manner, but was prevented somehow from doing so. Towards the end it improved, but it should have been less Giles, more Hunter.
(4) Giles’s remarks on Linder again. That whole dynamic reminds me of high school nerds who look up to the cool kids, the rebels. Giles clearly, IMO, has some kind of ‘crush’ on Linder.
Yeah, they call it a man-crush or a bromance.
Which is pretty hilarious considering his strong opposition to homosexuality.
The interview has been uploaded. Follow the hyperlink above.
I’ll listen again tonight and rethink some of it. And, like many people hearing their voice over the line and finding it doesn’t sound like they hear it, it is always embarrassing to hear your own voice.
I think you were doomed from the start, ‘Hunter.’ There are a lot of good reasons why Resistance support personnel shouldn’t give their own real names. I use the example of ‘Luke LaVellian’ as an example. He used his real name and the jews in California screwed him over but good. Which goes to show my position for decentralization in that if ZOG doesn’t need to know any names, ZOG doesn’t get the intel freebie.
But of course not giving your name makes you sound evasive because it is evasive.
Hunter also suffers from the same thing Jim Giles suffers from. A wish for a Whigger on Whorseback to save the whigger race from itz own ZOGling whiggerdumb. Not having a backbone they have a wishbone hoping that they will have a homeland of their own without parasitic jews, niggers, and beaners and beg like pussies for these vermin to please stop wanting to live where their White slaves live and slave for them under ZOG. At one time, it seemed surreal with the jews taking the part of the Egyptians and whiggers in the place of the Ancient Israelites. Imagine, jews as Egyptians and whiggers, as the descendants of the Israelites, whining like they would do to Moses about how YHWH drug them out to die in the wilderness — and YHWH granting theys slavish wishes. But then again, only a Dual-Seedline Christian Identity pastor can appreciate the irony of History repeating itself.
If you are unwilling to kill jews, niggers, beaners — and, most importantly whiggers in order to save the overall White Race, then you are hardly serious. You are playing at Revolution. And thus Jim Giles and Alex Linder will eat your lunch.
Way back in May 2005, I predicted how a Fade/Linder debate would wind up:
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http://whitenationalist.org/forum/showthread.php?p=1274#post1274
Neither one is an effective debater. Great Master Debaters in they’s own minds, yes. Effective in real debate, no.
Fade/Cunter/Brad has the tendency to post reams of the most oblivious shit like he was regurgitating for a political ’science’ exam what he thinks are the correct answers. I’ve never seen any ability on the part of Fade to set up ‘killer’ questions, much less close the trap. Thus Fade is not much of a defender and is hopeless on the offense, like the Iraq Army, without evenas much as the typical A-rab’s ability to mount an ambush. Fade in debate is still Fade in real life: a rich whigger kid who has been crippled by too much of a rich lifestyle untempered by no adversity or anything that
daddy’s money wouldn’t buy him. In a debate Fade would end up damaged but Fade wouldn’t realize it, Fade would think that he came out on top, simply because Fade has no ability to think of anyone other than himself. Linder would win any debate with Fade and Fade would be oblivious, as would most of the whigger pups here on phorafags/feebs.
Linder is very good at haranguing on his own others. However, Linder cannot take a debate punch, like me bringing up on the Peter Shenk show that his supposed White Freedom Party wasn’t going to get the 60,000-100,000 ZOGbux needed to get 10,000 petition signatures to become a real political party in Missouri. Then when I asked where the money would come from and did it
come from Traitor Glenn Miller, Linder was saved by Shenk’s cutting me off, as the liar did indeed use censorship to avoid a valid hard question: Who funds VNN/TGMNN if not ZOG through Traitor Glenn Miller?
Linder comes across as nothing more than a devious guido to the Movement. Linder, unlike Fade, is smart enough to understand when he is in danger and when he has been wounded. That is why I am de facto banned from VNN/TGMNN and not oafishully banned from the Lindermiller rat’s nest.
Linder is really, when it comes down to it, no more real or substantial than the piss-froth on top of the toilet bowl or one of my jugs when a man has to get up first thing in the morning and empty his bladder and fart. One of a man’s favorite sensual pleasures in life is getting up in the morning with a full bladder, going to the toilet, whipping up the water in circle eights into a fine head of piss-froth and then cutting loose with “The Great Fart of the Day.” That is what passes as mindless instinctual entertainment for normal ZOGling whigger herd animals across
the fruited & nutted ZOG plains. However, for a Dual-Seedline Christian Identity Resistance activist like myself, one of whose inherent commandments is: THOU SHALT NOT WASTE SO THOU SHALT NOT WANT, I find myself pissing into jugs so as to fertilize my garden and cut down on my water and sewer bill paid to the Shitty of Granby. Thus I do not find piss-froth amusing nor can I afford to make circle-eights due to chancey jug/penis co-ordination. Piss-froth is for me a real pain in the ass. It keeps a piss jug from being completely full and makes me have to open up another
reconditioned one too soon.
Likewise with the [bowel] Movement. Contrary to what the ADL/SPLC/FBI tells their jews and whigger feeb followers, the Movement is not filled with SS strosstruppen. Far from it. The bowel Movement is filled with paytriots, jews, mamzers, rats, faggots, shitheads, and most of all, ZOGling whigger ass-clowns, absolutely without any discipline or good sense or even the survival instinct of a cockroach. One has to work with what they got, as I figured out a decade ago in the militia movement. Thus, the Movement finds
me, again, pissing in a jug, trying to at least manage efficiently some waste product for the good of the racial garden. And therefore I say unto you again: Linder is flashy, Linder is foamy, Linder is nothing more than the piss-froth atop the bowel-Movement toilet bowl. Having to deal with piss-froth is a thankless task.
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I wrote the above on May 5, 2005 and not a single thing has changed.
What your strengths are, Fade/Hunter, is running a forum or web page wherein a number of people with different views can debate the matter.
My argumentation is about as subtle as a battleaxe in the pointed head. TraitorAlex LinderMillerwitz is a data-mining ZOG false-fronter and a rat. He ratted out that piece of shit Bill White/Weiss.
So Fade/Hunter/Brad, you are good at what you do, but not a street fighter or warlord. If I were you, I’d simply open a forum wherein the White Nationalist Movement can have real “Free Speech For Whites” and let the chips fall where they may. Which is what StumbleInn is, and phorafags/feebs ain’t no more like it was after the Christmas Coup of 2004.
I will ALWAYS, absent any future racial treason, love you as a brother for the generousity and decency in which you treated myself and Pastor 6Killer when we were kicked out of VNNF/TGMNNF/GFRTCNNF after the Christmas Coup of 2004 five years ago.
But a fighter you ain’t, Fade.
Hail Victory!!!
Pastor Martin Luther Dzerzhinsky Lindstedt
Church of Jesus Christ Christian/Aryan Nations of Missouri
http://www.whitenationalist.org/forum
My impression. It’s not the media, it’s the collective retardation of humanity.
Hunter Wallace runs Occidental Dissent.
Is all the description he gave to Hunter, yet gave Wise a page and everyone else the proper amount. What’s the deal?
I’m collecting my thoughts and writing another worthless essay.
I left the interview after the first 40 min or so. I really just got sick of Giles and his BS. I think Giles is a decent man and all, but his style of focusing on things that do not matter one bit is annoying. I do not care about Duke being a mony grubber nor do I care about all these litle WN soap operas.
I’ll listen to the rest later where I can just jump over Giles BS and get to what Hunter is saying.
I tried to post this in the other thread but it never made it and now that thread is closed so I’ll post it here, sorry if it ends up as a repeat.
I’m going to speculate a little on why Linder stored Bill White’s IP and complied with the subpoena to hand it over.
Almost ten years ago Linder went on the attack against the jews under his real name. That has ruined any chance he had of going back to the professional conservative movement and becoming one of the jew’s kept hacks.
While he portrays this as a matter of personal morality, and to some extent it probably is, it’s also at least partly due to Linder’s stubbornness and hate for authority. In that way he’s like Jim Goad, who, given the chance to become a smartass anti-white satirist by compiling a “Redneck Encyclopedia”, found that he simply could not bring himself to do it.
Linder was forced out of the (relatively) lucrative conservative racket by that same instinctive, stubborn integrity. He just couldn’t stomach being one of the big jew’s waterboys.
As a result Linder has been condemned to a life of poverty and obscurity, with the authorities just waiting for him to make a mistake so they can give him the Bill White treatment and throw him in the gulag. And in return for this sacrifice the other people in this so-called movement side with the jews in attacking him.
This is the source of his passive aggressive demand that people write under their real names. If he’s going to be crucified for it, damn it, he doesn’t want to be stuck hanging on the cross all by himself. He wants company, even if it is the company of thieves. Linder wants you to take up the cross and follow him up to Golgotha, praise the not actually existing Lord! But he isn’t exactly an inspiring leader, what with that ornery tendency to insult everyone and everything, so there he hangs all by himself, and he becomes increasingly bitter about his lonely vigil up on that old wooden cross.
But if he can’t inspire others to follow him up there he can damned well make sure that anyone who gives him half an excuse is dragged out of their safe haven and nailed up beside him. So he makes use of his giant hoard of information gathered during his long years in the wilderness and every so often he shouts an accusation or an IP logfile to the crowd and a few bored Roman centurions gathered to watch him rot on the cross.
That’s why the unseemly outing of Johnson, and the storing and releasing of White’s IP.
He might not be so bitter if he had more fellowship with the flock.
Brethren, won’t you take up your cross and follow him?
You know of course, Hunter that I’m far removed from Linder ideologically.
One thing you’ve got to consider though is that shock value sells.
Look at gangster rap, heavy metal, satanism etc. It’s all more popular than white nationalism. More people are anti-establishment then you think. They may be all bark and no byte. It’s not necessarily a bad strategy to bark, but I hope Linder doesn’t really want to kill every person of Jewish ancestry. To make a large understatement, that’s unnecessary. Marginalizing Jewish political opponents should suffice.
Kane,
Did you listen to the interview?
I did on mp3.
The beginning is screwed up tech-wise but I think I can understand what you are trying to say. I listened to the whole thing.
If you want me to promote it, I will.
But a fighter you ain’t, Fade.
I wasn’t expecting a fight with anyone. I went on the show expecting to have a reasonable conversation.
If you want me to promote it, I will.
No, I do not.
Is all the description he gave to Hunter, yet gave Wise a page and everyone else the proper amount. What’s the deal?
Listen to the Wise and Potok interviews. Then listen to mine.
Of course the most inappropriate part of the interview (and also when I turned it off) is when he asked Hunter if his Mom and Dad approved of him associating with a homosexual.
It had already been 40 min into the interview and he was still harping on Johnson’s supposed homosexuality. Why is it Hunter’s problem if Johnson is gay? He just wouldn’t get off the damn subject. I personally would never waste anymore time on that radio show again and if I did, I would have prepared discussions ready to go. If he wasn’t willing to go along with my controlled discussion then I would not waste my time.
If memory serves, I told him my parents don’t have the slightest problem with homosexuality. We have a few gay neighbors in our community. No one has a problem with them. In the event of a family emergency, I know they can be relied upon. They buried their little dog in the cemetary of our local Methodist church.
OTOH, my parents would be deeply concerned if they knew I had been talking to people on the internet who support mass murder, people who want to exterminate young children because they are Jewish. They would freak out. Those are the kinds of sickos who get featured on MSNBC and Court TV.
You don’t like the negative publicity strategy it seems. It isn’t so much that the media is consciously anti-white and therefore only displays crazy people. I believe it’s more that these crazy people are “more interesting” to the average person. Only introverted intellectuals enjoy suit and tie debate. If you are a person looking for some stimulation in your life, then a KKK rally attracts your interest more than Jared Taylor does.
I enjoy your style better Hunter, but I think the wildman strategy is more likely to attract attention. And negative attention is better than none at all.
Listen to the Wise and Potok interviews. Then listen to mine.
Meaning what? I’ve listened to those and am listening to yours now.
I don’t understand why Giles thinks he should be nicer to his enemies, and then goes on to say they deserve to be killed. He’s nice to their face, but talks tough behind their back?
I’m with Giles about under circumstances of self-defense, a direct threat to yourself or someone you love you can use lethal force. But to somehow murder innocent people based on the actions or policies of a minority is absurd. Anyone who is responsible for policies that are against our people should be held accountable.
There are plenty of examples of intelligent people who are also physically powerful. The military has plenty of them. It’s just that intelligent people usually aren’t brutes and care about their own well-being, they have something to lose, such as brain cells.
I only listened to the later part of the interview, but it seemed more like a platform for Jim Giles to express his belief that pro-whites need to have the guts to be able to contemplate genocide if they want to save the race.
Hunter was repeatedly forced to defend his view that you can be pro-white and still be a kind, decent, conventionally moral person; being pro-white does not consign you to having to have the heart of a killer.
Giles pressed the attack even further by repeatedly saying Hunter really didn’t believe that genocide was out of the question as a tactic to save our race, he was just feigning moral outrage because he had to to remain respectable; Hunter was forced to say multiple times he truly found the idea repugnant.
It was kind of awkward, because Hunter’s main point was that he wanted to move white nationalism away from being cruel and extreme characterizations like Giles’/Linders’ genocidal temperaments, and toward a more intellectually sophisticated, reason-based ideology (while still acknowledging uncomfortable truths about Jews and others who would stand in our way).
OTOH, my parents would be deeply concerned if they knew I had been talking to people on the internet who support mass murder, people who want to exterminate young children because they are Jewish. They would freak out. Those are the kinds of sickos who get featured on MSNBC and Court TV.
They should freak out. That kind of a sicko is one such person you call a friend. So it’s a peculiar situation you have yourself in.
Mark,
Patience, grasshopper.
No sane white nationalist would rule out warfare if it became necessary; it is genocide that we normal folk are rightfully outraged by.
On the matter of pseudonyms, it is clear to me that the effectiveness of our message is independent of our online handles (so long as they aren’t ridiculous). In most cases, the only thing that we accomplish by dropping our pseudonyms is that we reveal our identity to those who might do us harm, winning the respect of proto-stormtroopers like Giles doesn’t offset this……
All this posturing to force people to reveal themselves reminds me of that Israeli Jew from VNN that kept doing that…..
Yerp. Martyrdom isn’t cool.
LOL, I like how Giles labors under the delusion that we all agree with him and Linder that we should commit genocide, but we’re just being nice. I can’t help but think Giles has some serious issues.
The real Litmus test is that if someone supports Linder they’re probably extremely unstable. I exclude Hunter because he doesn’t support Linder, but he is his friend for whatever reason.
Which is pretty hilarious considering his strong opposition to homosexuality.
Not to get too psych 101 on yeah, but don’t they often go hand in hand?
I think the big mistake is in the use of the words “extermination” and “genocide,” when we really should be talking about war (as danielj points out above). Our enemies are actively trying to genocide us, so I certainly do not have an issue if the waging of war on our enemies leads to their disappearance. Does anyone today mourn Carthage?
Linderite:
…Almost ten years ago Linder went on the attack against the jews under his real name. That has ruined any chance he had of going back to the professional conservative movement and becoming one of the jew’s kept hacks.
While he portrays this as a matter of personal morality, and to some extent it probably is, it’s also at least partly due to Linder’s stubbornness and hate for authority…
Mr. Linder doth project. He kicked me from his sandbox, saying it was because I’m “anti-authoritarian,” among other nonsense.
I haven’t listened to Hunter’s interview, but I will. Giles once challenged me on VNNF to come down to Mississippi and fist fight him over some slight, I forget what. I have listened to a couple of his interviews and he’s mellowed. From the little I’ve heard I like the way Jim comes across, though, like someone said, he could stand to be better prepared. He’s a one-man operation, unfunded. He’d be hell with a little assistance and some resources behind him. How many full-time staffers does Larry Ziegler have? Bobwa Walters?
Hey, Fat man! You haven’t lost your touch since May of 2005. You are still the best, bar none, at whatever it is you do, praise YWHW!
I saw somewhere that you had called Giles the “Dick Cavett of the Bowel Movement.” You’re nobody in the Bowel Movement until nicknamed by the Master. Your line, “Billy Roper, leading the “Come Meet Pastor Butler Before He Dies Tour” tore me up.
Pray for me…
WhiggerSwill
I strongly oppose the Jews/Communists, but that does not make me Jewish/Communist.
When David Duke talks about his klan past and how it ruined him, he’s full of crap. The whole reason people find him interesting is that the klan is considered exotic. Duke knows this and denies it only to be provocative.
While I think David Duke knows that’s bs, I think you really believe it Hunter. That the media is responsible for making “wn” look bad whereas in my opinion, it’s just that human beings are bored idiots who need crazy things to stimulate them.
Linder owes Kambon an apology and needs to come clean about his plagiarism.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN5StQAr7n0
VNNF represents the apex of anti-semitism; the folks there, for the most part, see destroying Jews as one in the same with saving the white race. They truly have genocidal rage for Jews. You are not going to convince them with any number of rational arguments that genociding Jews is separate from saving whites.
Unfortunately, Hunter, you can’t have it both ways: you cannot stay friends with Linder when the core of his being is tied to the annihilation of Jewry, unless you, too, make it the central purpose of your existence. Either Alex goes, or the Jews go. You gotta decide.
I strongly oppose the Jews/Communists, but that does not make me Jewish/Communist.
I’m just saying. Sometimes…
The “Johnson is gay” has evolved into quite a meme on here and on VNNForum. Ditto “I’ve been plagiarized by a T.O.Q. writer!”
Linder has produced ZERO evidence to back up either charge. What nonplussed amusingly called his own personal “no holes, no Holocaust” moment. He can’t even link to the Connolly article where he uses “loxist”- Linder’s obviously copyrighted pride and joy! What a budding Hemingway Linder is, no? Pure genius!
Linder has been very good over the years at planting unsubstantiated charges and repeating them ad nauseum until they stick. It’s a shabby tactic, form a shabby individual with a mean-streak and a seared conscience.
My first impression of Jim Giles was that he is a jock-sniffing dullard too easily impressed with Alex “the colon” Linder’s macho big talk about courage, honor, and the virtues of hatefulness, polarization, extermination, etc. But within the first minute of this interview, you can hear the malicious self-satisfaction, the evil gloating in his voice as he prepares to set upon HW. This will be the last Jim Giles interview I listen to.
Giles and Linder: I think they are both a bit too obsessed with buttsex. They protest too much. Repression has addled their brains. They need to give in to the temptation. This is a match made in the devil’s anus. You boys need to stop this long distance affair. Jim needs to dim the lights, put on some slinky banjo make-out music, kick the hound dogs out of the bed, then invite Alex over to the trailer and consummate this.
The SPLC should hire Linder. He should reap a material reward for all the pro bono work he has done. Maybe Jim Giles can pass along the telephone number of his good friend Mark Potok.
What Giles needs to do is have as much courage when he interviews the enemies he claims to want to kill as he did when interviewing his racial brother and political ally HW.
Linder has produced ZERO evidence to back up either charge. What nonplussed amusingly called his own personal “no holes, no Holocaust” moment.
What happened to the ultimatum to come clean in 24 hours or he would commence total warfare? If he can’t come through with that meager effort certainly all his bloviating about Jews is just hot air.
Hunter: “Patience, grasshopper.”
O.K., I’ll bite. ??????
Yeah, he seemed to imply something in the interview would give a reason. I didn’t catch anything, maybe I missed it. Care to elaborate, HW?
Hmm. I’m running through my checklist.
1.) Associate with known government informants (Hal Turner, Rounder, Dan Jones).
2.) Allow agent provocateurs like Richard Warman to run wild on your site.
3.) Associate with known domestic terrorists or people accused of domestic terrorism (Todd in FL, Rounder, Bill White).
4.) Associate with people who make threatening phone calls and hint at assassinating the President of the United States (Bill White).
5.) Associate with Neo-Nazi clowns (Bill White).
6.) Release IP address information to the Feds (Bill White, Hal Turner).
7.) Smear viable pro-White institutions. Target them for destruction (National Alliance, VDARE, Stormfront, Amren, TOQ Online, TOO, etc.).
8.) Attack the best people in the pro-White movement (Greg Johnson, Jared Taylor, Kevin MacDonald, Peter Brimelow, etc.).
9.) Stake out the most extreme positions possible to alienate ordinary, moral, decent Americans (Murder the Jews).
10.) Advocate the destruction of Christianity.
11.) Sow as much discord within the pro-White movement as possible.
12.) Win the endorsement of Tim Wise for services rendered to the anti-racist cause.
13.) Recruit as many kooks, sociopaths, and dysfunctional types as possible. Create a home for these lost souls.
14.) Hitch the pro-White message to vulgarity and crudity. Heap scorn on the rational fact based approach.
15.) Incite others to engage in violence. Praise lunatics like James von Brunn, the Holocaust Museum shooter. Meanwhile, the Feds turn a blind eye to you, unlike Matt Hale.
16.) Bash attempts to reach out to the middle class as “conservatism.”
17.) Redefine White Nationalism as extermination of the Jews.
I’m no crime scene investigator … but is this a pattern of behavior?
And for that he will claim you’re an undercover cop or paid troll.
Another thing that strikes me as odd, Linder is always insulting the intelligence of his own forum members. Maybe he’s hinting that they are gullible and can’t figure out his true motives, as you just hinted at.
HW and I share a similar personality type: rational, detached, inductive, slow to draw conclusions, slow to judge, slow to anger. But when the last bit of data falls into place, or when a final emotional line is crossed: that’s it. I think HW is there.
Hey, HW gave Linder every chance to redeem himself, but it’s just a lost cause. It’s fight or flight now, and I’m glad to see HW is a fighter.
Shock value should not be done under the banner of suit and tie activism.
The mainstream and vanguardists should remain segregated. That’s my conclusion.
I’m beginning to feel that H.W. is seeing the light on Linder. Better late than never.
Shock value still needs to serve a purpose, other than for the sake of itself or personal gratification. GLR for example used shock value in a productive manner.
I forgot the most obvious one!
18.) Attack people for using pseudonyms. Call them cowards. Demand they use their real identities for the SPLC can database them and contact their employers.
Why is linder keeping IPs? Codoh Forum deletes them every three days, for example. Think about that one for a second. He also heaps scorn on all those who use pseudonyms. Is this normal? He obviously wants to hurt and expose those who are foolish enough to trust him. Additional evidence that points to linder working as a federal agent. How else could he make a living when any employer can google him in two mouse clicks. This loser is simply unemployable by any non-criminal outfit, except as an informer for the FBI. Linder is a fed. I’m pretty sure of it. Everything points in that direction. If it quacks like a duck…
Here’s another:
19.) Encourage dysfunctional behavior. Advise people to abandon what they are actually good at. Advise the writers to become grass roots activists, the activists to become writers. Throw a monkey wrench into the gears.
FB, when I was having my intra-forum fallout, people posted my full name and address up there, and linder has refused to remove it.
Lindstedt is right; Linder is piss-froth. And a Judas goat trying to pull out real names for ZOG.
I’ll put it in terms Giles may have a better chance understanding:
Advocating genocide is not good for whites. See how that works? Nice and neat.
HW, why did you close the Wise thread?
The only reason I listened to this interview was the chance to hear Hunter speak but Giles allowed him few opportunities. Giles squandered great opportunities to interview men like Kevin Macdonald by repeatedly asking “Why aren’t you tough like Linder?” and “Why are you friends with homosexuals?”
“Alex, uh, Alex doesn’t-Wyatt Earp came to me in a dream last night. He said Alex Linder doesn’t realize you don’t have to tell the posse who you going to hang, just get them to saddle up.
*dead silence*
Do you understand that?
…um…”
“Alex is a Navy Seal and he’ll smash your dick in the dirt but he isn’t a good singer.”
“What would your parents think of you being friends with a homosexual?”
” I’m an objective journalist.”
Mr. Giles, please stop making yourself look like an idiot. It’s amusing but… please stop. It reflects poorly on the rest of the ‘movement.’
20.) Advocate the destruction of unions. Advocate the elimination of popular social programs. Alienate the working class.
Iceman, I’m sorry to hear it. Did he tell you why he would not remove your name? Another act of treason. The baseness of that character is breath-taking. He obviously didn’t remove it because he wants to hurt you. Linder’s a classic asshole.
It’s obvious. I wasn’t antisemitic enough. I deserved everything I got.
Yes. If Linder closed up shop his customers would all have to go elsewhere. Any guess where that would be? Linder definitely serves a useful purpose.
Richard Warman and Alex Linder share a few character traits: both have a mean-streak, both get their jollies from destroying other people’s lives, both are fanatical in their self-righteousness, and both work for Jewish organizations and the federal government.
He is seeing the light after this BS interview with Giles. Something felt off the moment I tuned in this morning. HW has so many topics that he has discussed on this site, yet Giles decided to jump right in and attack him with Linders’ charges (which have nothing to do with this blog) rather then discuss other important topics.
For example, I was expecting a long exchange this morning about Tim Wise and Mark Potok, you know, our real enemies whom Giles had interviewed just days before. Instead we got more of the BS about Mr. Johnson being a homosexual and KMac refusing to debate Linder. Then we got the long diatribe about how writers are pussies and not warriors and all this other garbage.
The whole thing felt like a setup to me.
In his chummy chat with Tim Wise, Giles gave him a glowing introduction, teed up several softballs for Wise, and let Wise give lengthy, uninterrupted responses. Giles did not challenge or refute Wise at all. Instead, he repeatedly complimented, agreed with, and sucked up to Wise.
By contrast, in the Hunter Wallace “interview,” Giles harangued Wallace regarding Linder, extermination, and Greg Johnson. He went on and on about how he wants to get his “posse” together to start “legally” going on a genocidal rampage.
As The Admiral said, Giles does have quite a crush on Linder. He is quite enamored of the foul-mouthed VNN proprietor. It was also quite a laugh to hear Linder/VNN defectives described as “special forces” and “black ops.”
Linder, Giles, the VNN defectives, and company have persuaded me that Arthur Kemp is right. The “cancers” must be marginalized.
There is no comparison between Alex Linder/Jim Giles/VNN defectives on the one hand and people like Jared Taylor, Arthur Kemp, and Kevin MacDonald on the other. Any normal white person will be repulsed by Linder/Giles/VNN defectives/costume clowns. We need more Taylors, Kemps, and MacDonalds, and we need to distance ourselves from the “cancers.”
This was similar to the Arthur Kemp interview when the 9/11 conspiracy kooks came up. Giles forced Kemp to reiterate that he actually did not believe in crazy conspiracies and wasn’t just pretending not to.
Quite true. Maybe Hunter should have attempted to use a Rhodesian/South African accent. LOL.
Linder isn’t a fed or a jew trying to sabotage the pro-white movement. But it really doesn’t matter what his motivations are. His belief that the only thing jewish activists and globalists will respond to is violence is wrong and intellectually lazy; just like they swayed popular opinion toward their side after WWII, so racial nationalists can swing the pendulum back with the strength of our convictions.
If Giles’ intent is to perpetuate the msm stereotype that white nationalists are a bunch of profane, foaming-at-the-mouth rednecks, then he’s doing a fine job. Bravo, Mr. Giles!
Hunter, I’m not entirely sure where you are going with this. You can draw up all of the lists that you want, but it won’t change the basic reality of the situation.
Namely, Linder has created meme after meme of benefit to white nationalism. Putting all of the criticisms aside, legitimate or not, you yourself have acknowledged (correct me if I’m wrong) that he has been an intellectual influence upon you. Linder has in fact influenced many a smart and capable person. He has been a veritable idea and insight factory. Why would the enemies of white nationalism fund/support/facilitate such a thing, if that is indeed the conclusion that you are drawing? You don’t build up or facilitate an enemy idea factory, and most especially not a good one. The enemy could have accomplished everything on your list without paying the price of powerful memes created and spread.
On the other hand, some quibbling aside, Linder has certainly engaged in any number of misteps. That’s a pretty damning list you’ve got typed up, I grant. Some of the points are weak, but others…not so much. My own take is that Linder is the real deal, the radical deal. As a “radical” myself (not to say that I don’t have substantial disagreements with Linder), I understand radicalism when I see it. Alex is a radical’s radical. It’s a certain type, and most people simply aren’t of that type. Therefore, perhaps they can’t fully “get it.”
Some of the things that seem so damning from a more mainstream perspective in fact make perfect sense to the radical. This, combined with Linder’s not being able to play well with others, is I think a far more probable explanation of the situation than any sort of subterfuge or nefarious intent. I would damn sure hate to be proven wrong on this, but I’m confident that’s not going to happen.
That’s not to say that there aren’t people who claim to be something other than what they really are. Of course such people are around, in fact I would bet money that there is one on this very thread. In my opinion, he should have been banned long ago. But Linder? Nah. Again, radical’s radical. He also combines a certain brilliance with a sort of myopic immaturity. This, combined with radicalism, can sometimes lead to some rather disturbing decisions. It can also lead to brilliant insights. With Linder, you’ve got to take the good with the bad…he’s not going to change. I gave him what I believe to be some sound advice in the other thread. Impact? Zero. LOL! It just so happens that, in my view, the good far outweighs the bad.
Also, in retrospect, Kievsky’s Linder post on the other thread pretty much nailed it.
You don’t know that, G.W. The evidence we have marshalled points in one direction: Linder, like Warman, works for Jewish organizations and the federal government. They are the flip sides of the same coin.
I have asked Linder how he makes a living while advocating the mass murder of various identifiable groups, particularly the Jews. He has not replied. He has never been arrested or prosecuted in Holder’s America for calling for the mass murder of various groups and individuals. Does that give you pause for thought? I also would like to point out that no Jewish organization has paid him a visit with baseball bats or guns. I’m sure the JDL or the Betar know where he lives. Jews are a serious people who mean business. This indicates that he works for Jewish organizations and is on their payroll.
Linder is a fed. I’m pretty sure of it. Everything points in that direction. If it quacks like a duck…
I think he is a fed and a Jew. I’ll pay for the test.
20.) Advocate the destruction of unions. Advocate the elimination of popular social programs. Alienate the working class.
My union is ripe for conversion and pro-white activism.
A good effort by Hunter Wallace in spite of one of Jim Giles’ weakest and nuttiest performances.
Most of the time Jim does a pretty good job by not cloyingly dominating the dialogue or getting too hyper. One of the worst interviewers I’ve ever soon was a minister in NYC who has/had a long-running cable access show with some fascinating guests but then proceeds to utterly monopolize the conversation to demonstrate his supposed erudition and brilliance so we barely hear the guest’s thoughts! STFU already! (to the NYC minister, for Jim Giles I’d just say tone it down, please).
The genocide campaign being waged against Whites is very clever, long-term and subtle enough that most Whites aren’t even aware it exists. Those waging it rarely, if ever, actually articulate their true intentions in plain language.
Jews themselves also suffer blowback from their anti-White, multicultural policies, including non-White violent crime, murder and rape, including some of their elites, like Gerald Levin having his son murdered by a Black thug he was working with for charity. But obviously marginalizing, dispossessing and ultimately genociding Whites is worth it to them. Probably some fraction of Jews, maybe even most, don’t think in terms of White genocide.
Jim Giles is living in a deluded fantasy world if he thinks mid-level officers are going to rally around exterminationist ideology and then mass murder the enemies of Whites “legally”. Far more likely is the labeling of exterminationists as “domestic enemies” to be imprisoned or killed.
Also, why is Jim Giles obsessed with legality? Just because the USA is being transformed fully legally into a tyranny with lots of “legal” corruption doesn’t mean this is legitimate. The Constitution has essentially been overturned by Talmudic complexity, corruption and usurpation. The system is rigged against us. Maybe we can salvage it or maybe we can’t. I think it partially depends on what we do over the next ten plus years. The good thing is that trying to work within the system is the single best way to wake up our people either way. We need to prove to our people that the deck is malevolently stacked against Whites so there is no doubt. If the system flexes and meets our needs, then maybe we can salvage the USA.
Exterminationist policy and rhetoric is millstone around White Nationalism and Advocacy as we try to rebuild White identity, culture and ethnocentrism. It is a massive loser on many different levels. First, it’s inherently immoral and evil. It’s damaging to the White spirit. On top of the built-in Christian beliefs abhorring such killing, our people have been conditioned into Holocaustianity for nearly 70 years, along with decades of full-court press in culture, media, education, etc. It also plays to the worst activist and paranoid Jews, letting them justify their interference, dominance and oppression of Whites beyond their natural supremacism.
It’s such an damaging policy for us I seriously wonder if some of those constantly pushing this are agent provocateurs doing COINTELPRO.
Alex Linder and VNN are a mystery to me. On the one hand Alex is an outstanding communicator with many brilliant ideas, observations and essays and VNN is a massive resource of nuts-and-bolts pro-White, anti-Jewish-supremacism ideas, information, analysis, etc and includes some fantastic commenters like Kievsky.
On the other hand the site wallows in an ugly hatred of non-Whites and Jews and sometimes pushes exterminationist rhetoric. In hearing his interviews and reading some of his posts I don’t think his rhetoric is ironic or feigned. He seems to literally believe Jews are cosmically opposed to Whites and will always try to undermine and exterminate them, so that Whites must kill them first in order to survive. I think Whites must make much more effort to reclaim our public voices, identity, ethnocentrism and advocacy before arriving at such a radical policy. I think eventually the Jews will make a deal when we have enough power and then we can coexist peacefully.
On the other hand Alex seems completely opposed to a constellation of pro-White organizations, web sites, leaders, etc, which span the gamut from radical pro-White to current mainsteam. As someone who used to be a color-blind, anti-immigration, neoconned conservative, I can say that I came to be pro-White, anti-Jewish-supremacism through stages including paleoconservatism (which is where is partially started), Lawrence Auster, AmRen and others that would be dismissed by Alex. The key point is that when Auster complains about “anti-Semites” or AmRen refuses to name the Jew, and then you start reading and researching the actual issues, then you realize what the truth really is. Because they try to obfuscate the truth to protect the Jews, an objective, truth-focused White will eventually discover sources, like KMac, Tanstaafl, OD or VNN that succinctly explain why their explanations aren’t quite right and they’ve had to build up a Rube Goldberg kludge to hide the truth.
In the future, as we create a much wider set of professional public relations work products targeted to many different segments of the White (and non-White) communities, we can speed up the process of White ethnocentrism and awareness, and include more of our average folks currently brainwashed by talmudvision and the inauthentic and illegitimate “leadership” of “our” “civil society”.
BTW. I completely agree with Fred Scrooby and Alex Linder that we must be thoughtful about our terminology and avoid using bullshit, incoherent terms constructed by our enemies to weaken us, like “antisemitism”. This term is essentially meaningless with a long, checkered history of conflicting meanings, and is used by most of organized Jewry to include not only those to have a genuine animus to Jews as Jews, but also those who merely legitimately criticize Jews for their supremacist or bad behavior. That’s why I think we should use a term like anti-Jewish-supremacism because it more accurately describes our objections while naming their rampant supremacism which is nearly unchallenged in “our” “civil society”.
Hunter Wallace
20.) Advocate the destruction of unions. Advocate the elimination of popular social programs. Alienate the working class.
That one would condemn almost the entire WN movement, you and Tom Metzger are the only well known WNs I can think of who aren’t right wing. Whites are generally to the right end of the political charts, much more so than any other racial group. Eliminate the jewish media, jewish financial support for the Democrats and non-white voters and most of those programs never would have come into existence in the United States.
Another thing, Alex Linder isn’t a fed. He doesn’t follow that pattern. He’s not broadcasting Hal Turner type threats and trying to entice people into committing crimes. All his talk about violence is theoretical and political, just like a thousand Marxist books about revolution.
In the post-Holocaust one does not advocate on an almost daily basis the indescriminate mass murder of Jews with impunity. The fact that Jews haven’t taken him out yet militates in favor of this scummy character working for them as an agent provocateur. He absolutely follows that pattern. It’s a matter of time before the complete truth comes out. We already know that he refuses to take down the real names and addresses of his posters and keeps their IPs for the sole purpose of providing them to the federal government and Jewish organizations. If it quacks like a duck…
So-called “anti-racists” put their heads in a noose with this “systemic racism” and “white privilege” crap.
If all whites are by default “soft racists,” then clearly the only way to save the poor “colored folk” is to keep them well away from whites. This is more humane to both sides than the Clockwork Orange fate psychos like Wise have lined up for us.
Yes, which means “crusaders” like Wise are bullies, picking on the weaker targets while ignoring the big boys.
Bingo. This should be pointed out by ethnopatriots every chance we get. How can Wise prove otherwise? By doing. By showing his “anti-racist” priorities are in order by shelving his opposition to Euro ethnopatriotism (a few voices in the wilderness) and getting to work on Jewish ethnopatriotism (a regional superpower ethnostate).
To say nothing of the fact that whites=inherent soft racists, ergo, forced integration=deliberate harm to “colored folk.”
We already know Wise’s response. It will fall along the lines of his general excuse for blacks targeting whites via violent crime. He has some really choice snake oil for this one, a bunch of totally innumerate nonsense that the late Birdman Bryant effectively evaporated. Also, he says that blacks target whites because whites have money, and not because they hate whites, to absolve blacks of any taint of “hate crime.” Somehow this isn’t racist stereotyping (and it goes without saying that Wise won’t be pointing out this “disparate impact” any time soon), but presumably whites thinking blacks are less intelligent is racist stereotyping.
Wise is not impressive. He’s a dodger. If he had true conviction he’d debate his opponents in a venue that would allow them to respond to all of his points. Instead he avoids them like the plague.
If I got a crack at Wise in a forum like this one, I’d eat his lunch. So would half the posters here.
(Sorry I didn’t name the quotes, there were too many for me to bother)
Yes, Wise is a 21st century snake oil peddler. Ever seen him debate in text format? I haven’t. In a bulletin-board style debate, opponents would have the time to run down and skewer his lies one by one. This is why Wise sticks to real-time debate, like Wise vs. Taylor, where his total lack of scruples (in particular, his willingness to lie) are an asset, not a liability, and one-way information flow, like essays. He’s smart and verbally facile, but he has to lie to get the job done because he’s on the wrong side of the issues.
I hope HW is right that this guy is the gold standard of “anti-racism.”* In that spirit, I think every serious ethnopatriot who mentions Wise (other than in passing) should challenge him to a text debate where replies are reasonably assured. He won’t debate us, so we should at least mock him for ducking us as a matter of policy (What, he doesn’t have time? This is his JOB for God’s sake!).
* (that term, if used as it applies to people like Tim “nobody here but us evil white folks” Wise, should always be scare-quoted)
Has there ever been a person named “Wise,” or “Bright,” or “Smart,” who wasn’t a Jew, or at least, didn’t get the name by being directly descended from one? Genuinely curious.
It just occurred to me that evidence of Wise’s true persona was revealed starkly at the late Birdman Bryant’s site, and that this evidence is probably now lost. A pity, because his nasty little psyche was exposed for all to see. It was also funny to see him repeatedly threaten Bryant with a lawsuit for publishing quotes from his emails (which revealed him for the nasty little Jew he really is).
Edit: ah, I see Alex posted these priceless gems from Wise. Excellent! Quite the charmer, isn’t he? Doesn’t even have the sense not to act like a Covington character when corresponding with an ethnopatriot.
Linder got that from Birdman Bryant’s site, where it was posted for the world to see. Linder (and by extension, OD) is no more legally at risk than the MSM is for broadcasting the leaked AGW emails.
He’d reply that he himself is white, and that he doesn’t hate white people.
Now we’re talking.
So I feel sorry for his children who he probably subjects to his rabid anti-white beliefs.
Nah, see, his kids will be indoctrinated, and so be anointed into the chosen race of “righteous, ‘anti-racist’ whites.” They won’t hate themselves any more than Wise hates himself; they’ll hate all the unwashed whites who won’t bend knee to them and theirs.
MuadDib, LOL, there’s a blast from the past. I got into plenty of scrapes with him on SF. What’s he been doing since his SF mod days?
“Disparate impact” is the road right to Wise’s soft underbelly, since practically everything he advocates has “disparate impact” (in the rhetorical, rather than legal sense) written all over it.
Jim Giles sounded unhinged in this ‘interview.’ This was less of an interview and more of a deranged monologue by Giles.
RE: unrestricted warfare
(1) I am sure all the files have been transferred up the chain of command to the appropriate people at the ADL, the SPLC, and the FBI.
(2) The Giles interviews with McDonald and HW are also parts of the unrestricted war.
http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/NetLoss/NetLoss-SBA-01-OnTimWise’sColorConscious.html
http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/NetLoss/NetLoss-SBA-10-DavidHorowitzOnTimWise.html
http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/NetLoss/NetLoss-ChiefShittingBullAwardsList.htm
All those who have given Linder their real names, addresses, etc. should know that the federal government and all Jewish organizations have them and act accordingly. Tim Wise is a pyker when it comes to destroying Whites. Linder does more to destroy White people than any single individual working and living in America today.
You guys are concluding that Linder and Giles are working for people who hate racially conscious activists because Giles was nicer to anti-racist than to racialists.
I don’t know if I can conclude it surely, but it is a theory I’ll have to examine.
Richard Warman = Alex Linder.
The only reason I am holding my fire is because I don’t want to agree with you and then end up being proven wrong.
But I share your “suspicion.”
Didn’t Henri Foord write a book entitled Alex Linder: World’s Foremost Problem?
Here is the piece Linder claims plagiarizes him. Note:
(1) It appears on the Occidental Observer (edited by Kevin MacDonald), not TOQ Online (edited by Greg Johnson).
(2) Connelly quotes (with full attribution) a comment by David Duke, which is clearly Connelly’s immediate inspiration: “Funny, there is no word for being anti-Gentile found in the dictionary as there is for being anti-Semitic.” I don’t think this is an impossibly profound or unique thought; but if Linder believes anyone who says something along those lines is plagiarizing him, he should be going after Duke (but Duke’s a “real white nationalist” to Linder).
(3) Linder came up with a term for Jewish hatred of non-Jews: loxism. I’m guessing Linder is more offended because he “knows” Connelly knows this (because of course everyone reads VNN forum and hangs on Linder’s every utterance), yet ignored it and went in search of a better word.
Jim Giles’ moral reasoning is baffling to be generous. A group of blacks kill Christian and Newsome ergo 7 year old Jewish girls are now fair game? What the? He also seems to equate or conflate legality with morality, as if “going after” people under the aegis of legal mandate excuses whatever excesses are committed. It’s like he’s stuck in concrete-operational mode. Now if Giles wishes to argue that morality itself is just an extension of preferences and has no substance in itself; that power and the exercise thereof should be our only concern, that’s all fine and dandy as long as he realizes the implications of that philosophy and is prepared to deal with it.
A very disappointing interview overall I should say, and it’s a shame that Hunter wasn’t given the latitude allowed to Tim Wise, as I find Hunter’s historical perspectives very enlightening and would enjoy hearing him discuss the history of racial relations in the US very much.
Linder has explained what he’s doing. He’s under the impression that everything between Zionism and anti-Semitism must be actively destroyed so the choice can be as stark as possible. You and MacDonald are the most immediate threats to this goal because you threaten to introduce resistance to Jewish domination which focuses on White self-determination rather than Jewish genocide.
Giles has become persuaded to this line of reasoning. It naturally complements his own vision of a military officer using night vision goggles and oaths and honor and stuff to rescue us damsels in distress. To really understand where Jim Giles coming from, one need only sing along to the lyrics of “Bonnie Tyler - I Need a Hero”.
I’m also sick of hearing about how tough everyone is or isn’t. I don’t care if Hunter Wallace or Alex Linder can beat up someone or bench 400 lbs. I believe in staying physically fit and strong, but this screaming “slam his dick in the mud” stuff is really unbalanced IMHO.
BTW where was that bravado in the Wise interview? He’s one of the few people who actually gets me physically upset with his lies and hatred, but this man was treated as if he was being interviewed by NPR
I listened to as much of the interview as I could stand. Around the third time Giles repeated his Wyatt Earp tirade about men with badges killing the enemy I gave up. Hunter, you have the patience of a saint. I would have hung up after his first monologue.
Ironically, on those occasions when Alex Linder has confronted his critics on WN radio he’s been far less rude and obnoxious than Giles was in this program.
Jim Giles sounds like a dumb hick.
The SPLC should hire Linder. He should reap a material reward for all the pro bono work he has done. Maybe Jim Giles can pass along the telephone number of his good friend Mark Potok (-Hunter Wallace)
I don’t know who Hunter Wallace is but the above quote tells me he is a little man with a small intellect. He is no danger to the enemy and never will be. He has no understanding where people like Linder and Giles are coming from and he never will. That’s why Marks and Friedrich Brauns like him. His type is very easy to be neutralized and rendered impotent by the Jew. Not so for the types of Linder and Giles; that’s why I am certain that we’ll hear more and more about gentlemen like these two guys as the situation in US keeps deteriorating. Hunter Wallaces will simply disappear in obscurity when the hell breaks loose.
“Jim Giles sounds like a dumb hick.”
An arrogant dumb hick at that.
He was so obviously against Hunter right from the get-go!
Let’s see — he gives a softball interview to Tim ‘Wise-Ass’ … and can’t seem to stop praising Linder.
Hmmmmmmmm.
still listening to the interview. J. Giles, apparently needing to compensate for groveling at Wise’s feet, makes it clear he is one badass southern white Rambo Osama Hussien with the night goggles and the bowie knife covered with non-faggot sweat heading for the mutha of all non-homo battles. At the expense of a guest who happens to be, not a jew or SPLC lawyer, homosexual, but a decent white nationalist who will not engage in idiot diatribes.
Where were the night goggles and the non-homo sweat when talking to Wise or the SPLC p.o.s? I must have missed the genocide baby part…..so what did Wise say?
Bless Giles for fighting the good fight but he has proved himself an blow hard simpleton who doesn’t walk the talk. Giles has an excuse because as he admits himself, he’s not that smart. He needs to shine when he can shine, even if that means counting on the tolerance of his allies rather than the opposition of his enemies.
Nice job Hunter. My guess is you didn’t expect to get bushwacked into a hour long diatribe about cutting throats, nightgoggles, genocide, homosexuals and LInders singing of tunes and a complete waste of time for the listener. The fact that an opportunity for an intelligent discussion was lost is down to Giles. At least this was an experience you can learn from.
This anti/pro Linder thing is past boring. The people who hijack every thread to campaign against him are just as suspicious as they say he is. Not of being crypto jews or fed agents but of being fools who waste peoples time and degrade every thread for their own personal vendettas. A waste of time like Giles fantasies of a Linder covered in bowie knives rhetorically cutting throats/booting balls while Giles does play by play for Mississippi free radio.
Every movement reaches a point where the war-clowns and the bloodred psychopaths have to be controlled and disciplined. They served a vital part holding the line when the battle seemed all but lost and at it’s lowest - and they deserve eternal respect for the courage and fortitude and plain craziness they brought to the table when it was needed.
But they are going to have to take a backseat if this thing is going to gain purchase.
I vote you moderate this forum, allow free speech but not personal vendetta’s
or useless insanity that needs to be repeated again and again because people do not care.
I have no doubt that Linder set up Giles prior to the interview with precise instructions on how to sabotage H.W. That’s how Linder operates and Giles is too stupid and ignorant to see what type of a game is being played around him.
I note that Grimoire swooped down on this thread to declare his “boredom” at the the litany of points that have been raised regarding Linder’s low and vicious character and toxic presence for White Nationalists without addressing any of them, or the very strong likelihood that his an informer. I guess Grimoire isn’t too bothered by any of it. After all, these are just minor issues. Nothing to see, move along…Another imbecile.
Hunter:
I was highly impressed with your delivery…not much time to speak, to be sure, but for your age, you did fine.
Careful, lad, the War exists on both sides of the aisle; Giles represents a segment of the WN’st community, you are beginning to represent another, a balance which, at best, is hard to reconcile.
Be that as it may, the issue of homosexuality is quicksand, your personal cultural mannerisms, or sense of culture, not withstanding.
Your words are speaking volumes…stand on your own…I would strongly advise you to stay away from overt inculcation within the ‘intellectual’ community, and their organizations; the OD is doing very well, and your following seems to be just as high-brow as these others.
We will be following this interview issue with an Eagle-eye.
For your perusal: http://www.whitenewsnow.com/forums/modcp/index.php
Sorry, try this one: http://www.whitenewsnow.com/forums/philosophy-ideology/2805-trailblazers-sycophants.html
Delete first link…thanks
Your almost right FB, these are not minor issues, they are non issues. The strong likelihood of his being an informer, is a stick smeared with shit that could be used on you, myself or anyone. You mention your proof is him turning over the ip log of his server on white- work on that….that is a good question…i’m interested in that.
But making your point by polluting every thread with dozens of diatribes against Linder is not the same as proof. It is just you pointing a shit smeared stick that you will not put down, as a result you smell unpleasant.
Do some legwork instead trying to just smear Linder from a distance. And not just crap about his character shows he’s a jew. That type of slander is exactly what they say jews do…..the jews aren’t men like J.GIles. Get out your night googles and get some info…..
or take a shower, change your clothes and leave the shitstench outside because it’s distracting.
re: Linder
Wasn’t I saying it more than a month ago? Oh yes. Did anyone listen? No. But like FB says, better late than never.
Shut up Braun. Seriously, if you could hear yourself you sound like a petty, vindictive, spurned lover. We get that you despise Linder, you don’t have to repeat it every half hour.
Hey, why don’t you instead comment on my plan to create a white breeder organization - a “super-society” if you will - as a necessary preliminary step before launching into creating an actual white nation or ethnostate:
The organization would explicitly define who is “white” and who isn’t. The members of the group, call them “Whitists”, elect representatives to make this determination (i.e. who gets admitted into the group and who gets expelled from the group).
The two basic rules are as follows:
1. Admission: Only persons with no descendants may petition to be admitted into the group. The earliest age at which someone can petition to join is 18. The offspring of two members is automatically a member at birth.
2. Expulsion: A member is expelled from the group if he is shown to be guilty of having a descendant who is not a member of the group.
What this means is that members must limit their procreation activities to other members of the group. In this sense the group defines a race, the “White Race.”
And to ensure Whitists are singularly loyal to the White Race, they cannot have any non-Whitist descendants.
The White Race should ultimately encompass all white people who feel it is important that their descendants stay white.
The beauty of this plan is that it doesn’t depend upon creating a white ethnostate right off the bat, with all the attendant difficulties. At some later time, perhaps, the White Race can establish states, or take over the world, or whatever.
Note that I hope the nations of Europe ultimately will become strict ethnostates, so this mainly applies to non-Europeans.
Even if he’s an informant, it has to be studied how he got so much activity on his forum. What do people find so attractive about people who are cruel? Are white nationalists masochistic? I wonder if these big boards pay people to post.
I know the only reason I was there was to refute what others said about me over another conflict.
People, come on. There are too many “coincidences” here to ignore. Look at Hunter’s list again, at FB and Mark’s points. These things spell out a clear agenda. He’s a Fed agent provocateur. Beyond doubt. Take the blinders off.
“Even if he’s an informant, it has to be studied how he got so much activity on his forum. What do people find so attractive about people who are cruel? Are white nationalists masochistic? I wonder if these big boards pay people to post.”
No. They’re naive and angry. This leads them to play right into his hands.
I now am taking the position that it should be assumed that he is a fed. In the case that he proves me wrong, I’ll apologize, which is very “fair” considering that I have every motive just to lie for self-interest.
why not write up all the accusations you keep astroturfing the comments with, into a article:
‘THE TRIAL OF ALEX LINDER - TREASON’
and put together your evidence, prosecution and defense in the comments section presided over by an elected Judge. Then a second comment thread for the jury where prosecutors and hostile witnesses are not allowed to intervene, the jury reaches a verdict - the judges passes a sentence or acquits.
That would be more reasonable than the astroturfing going on, which just make the accusers look vindictive with no sense of honour (unlike J.Giles)
Would J.Giles repeat endless catty diatribes on a comment board ? No cuz a superhero would put on night-googles and a badge and go straight for your balls….except thats illegal, and he may have a Wyatt Earp dream and wake up covered in non-homo sweat - he’d saddle up and bring in the traitor to sit in front of a judge and Jury to hang him.
Anyway you can be sure men of action like J. Giles don’t go around spreading innuendo on bulletin boards or mouthing of how tough they are or what they’d do with a badge and night-googles on the radio for an hour and a half till everyone is sick of it.
I believe in staying physically fit and strong, but this screaming “slam his dick in the mud” stuff is really unbalanced IMHO.
I haven’t listened to the radio archive of the conversation, but notice how I sat there in silence listening to his monologue. I was stunned. He started coming on strong with all this bloodthirsty talk about thumping his dick in the mud, trained killers, physical brutes who beat up people, being vicious with a knife, etc.
If I recall correctly, he kept talking about the need for rounding up a “posse” to go kill these people, not the Christian/Newsom murderers, whom I pointed out were getting either the death penalty or life in prison, but the black community per se. He denied he was hinting at the Klan, but that was exactly his drift. He went on about Alex being right about the need to exterminate the Jews and insinuated that I really secretly agree with him, but just can’t say so in public.
I stood there with an incredulous expression on my face. I exploded on him.
Does anyone know how Linder makes a living?
I’m not trying to imply anything sinister here, I’m genuinely curious. I understand he doesn’t have a regular job. I think he has 1 or maybe 2 kids. Obviously he has medical bills to worry about - so how does he support himself? Is it all through donations? This must be a vary precarious way to live. Or does he have other sources of income? I have wondered about this from time-to-time…
BTW - I like VNN and Linder’s broadcasts. I think Linder contributes a lot. But I don’t like his harping on “extermination” - it’s ridiculous and, as Hunter pointed out on Jim Gile’s show, simply immoral. Which reminds me - I don’t think much of Linder’s views on Christianity either - they are extremely facile, at best.
Hunter - you’re doing a great job with this blog and I really don’t think Jim Giles did you justice during the interview. It wasn’t much of an interview really, it was more a rambling harangue on Giles’ part. I would like to hear you in another interview in which you’re given the chance to talk about yourself, your work and your opinions. That would be very interesting I’m sure.
Giles has become persuaded to this line of reasoning. It naturally complements his own vision of a military officer using night vision goggles and oaths and honor and stuff to rescue us damsels in distress. To really understand where Jim Giles coming from, one need only sing along to the lyrics of “Bonnie Tyler - I Need a Hero”.
In the South, we have millions of these yahoos. They were diehard George W. Bush supporters. Their animus is targeted at Muslims though, not the Jews.
Wallace….you prick!……you got nuthin’ to say!…..you accuse Linder of bein’ “all talk & no action”, but, he’s got a good excuse…..his health!
wtf is YOUR excuse, punk?
eh?!?
ohh….thass-right….like most white ‘Kwans….yr a gutless rat!….right?
Bob Matthews wasn’t much bigger than you….but at least he had a “GO”, eh?!?
it ain’t the size of the dog in the fight…..it’s the size of the fight in the dog, champ!
BTW: you got no right to criticise some-one like “Rounder”…at least he got in there & done some-thing….at least he got “physical”!
sheesh!
the niggers are gunna EAT you gutless scum ALIVE!
glad i ain’t a ‘Kwan!
“This anti/pro Linder thing is past boring. The people who hijack every thread to campaign against him are just as suspicious as they say he is.”
Ditto.
“I think he is a fed and a Jew.”
Linder does look physically unimpressive (I think VNN jumped the shark about the time Linder posted a photo of himself in a tank top), but his look is an unfortunate German one, not a Jewish one.
You can find photos of his parents online. He appears to have gotten the disharmonious features from his father and dark hair from his mother. Looking at Linder’s genealogy, I see no indication of Jewish ancestry. Of his father’s great-grandparents, 6 appear to be of colonial American descent, and 2 are mid-19th century German immigrants to the Midwest. Overall, his father appears to be about half-German and half-British. I found little on his mother’s ancestry; but she is probably of similar background, and his father is the jewier-looking of his parents.
I did notice that Linder’s uncle appears to be married to a Jewess, and that Linder is not a direct descendant of Usher Linder, as I believe he has claimed (though he is related).
“Does anyone know how Linder makes a living? ”
Donations.
Trainspotter,
How much time did I spend on Alex Linder? In hindsight, I am reminded of the White liberals in the 60’s and 70’s who got involved with the Black Panthers. They tried to see the best in them. They also distinguished between the good and the bad. They worked to advance their cause. They saw themselves as reasonable and enlightened. That’s exactly what has happened here.
1st- I think you are making a big mistake in saying that genocide isn’t being committed against us. Sure, it’s not a quick massacre genocide, but there is a serious possibility of the white race becoming extinct
According to UN resolution 260–
“genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.”
Are they not committing actions a, b, c, and d to us? Don’t be surprised if e eventually comes about.
You can’t wake up enough people by saying “they’re trying to destroy our culture.” That’s conservatism right there– and you know it’s a losing game.
Even philo-semitic Nick Griffin talks about this sort of genocide.
In the interview, I cited “Jimbo” here (who is banned from Majority Rights) as exactly the sort of defective individual that VNN attracts. Behold everyone … the “vanguard” has arrived! Here’s your Black Ops, Navy Seals, Special Forces Unit in the flesh.
ski,
I clearly said in the interview that we are experiencing genocide in the cultural sense, but not the physical sense. To be sure, Whites are the victims of random negro violence, but the Carr brothers or the Christian/Newsom murderers didn’t commit their crimes under orders from Z.O.G. headquarters.
jimbo!, did you ever reimburse Jett and Jahn for that glass table you broke?
agreed on cultural sense, but you should add economic, psychological, moral and social etc. sense. Genocide is really not too far a stretch from the truth. It has become a meme among the hypnotized to openly state they forsee the end of the white race in a few generations, and they mean it, and they mean to see it through. Think of Bill Clintstone’s statement. What term would you use to describe the eradication of European people’s from their homelands and the world. It sounds sensationalist and exaggerated… but think honestly about it - does cultural genocide or simple genocide describe it better. Imagine the above conditions applied to hopi indians or mid channel leprechauns.
re: “George W”……Dubya!…..nah…….cheque’s in the mail!
Hunter W….you frickin’ talk too much!…..if you went into any public bar in any pub’ in Ozz….you’d have yr “dental bills” re-arrandged for you in abt five minutes flat!
“I clearly said in the interview that we are experiencing genocide in the cultural sense, but not the physical sense. To be sure, Whites are the victims of random negro violence, but the Carr brothers or the Christian/Newsom murderers didn’t commit their crimes under orders from Z.O.G. headquarters.”
It is not whites that are experiencing genocide in the cultural sense, it is the third worlders that completely loose their culture.
What whites are loosing is mainly our Christian flavor. Just like the Church in it’s time never managed to get rid of Yule/Saturnalia by introducing Christmas, Yule/Saturnalia will come back stronger, when Christmas is weakened. Examples being the Christmas trees, Yule log, gifts giving, etc.
The same pattern can be seen with the national state, where a downplayed shared national identity, makes room for a larger part consisting of a white identity of choice.
Just like the road to hell is paved with good intention, might the road to heaven be paved with bad ones, or at least that is how we are forced to play the game.
Not a regular reader of the blog. But did catch the interview. My take is the same as everyone else’s. It droned on and on about homosexuals and genocide. My suggestion is never do an interview without a proper agenda. You should have a definite idea of what you want to accomplish with each interview and have talking points to back it up. That way you won’t be at the mercy of someone else’s stupidity. If you’d had your own agenda you could have moved the discussion forward by simply saying, “That’s my opinion. If you have a different opinion that’s fine but I’m here to talk about X, Y & Z.” And then just not let him bait you and drag you back to the same old cesspool. Also I think anyone who says “All publicity is good publicity” is mistaken. NO publicity is better than bad publicity. Always take the high road.
As for homosexuality, no one likes militant in-your-face queers. But if one is discrete and conducts themselves with dignity and integrity then it’s not an issue. In other words, people need to keep it in the closet and Giles needs to get over it.
When I picked up the phone, I assumed this interview would be like all the previous ones. I’m sure everyone else who tuned in were expecting the same thing.
It would be a friendly exchange of views about Alex Linder and a few other topics. I had written reviews of over half a dozen other guests who had appeared on the show. I expected to talk about Jared Taylor and Kevin MacDonald, Tim Wise and Mark Potok, Robert Campbell and Elizabeth Whitcombe. I wanted to talk about my own work and the future of White Nationalism.
To my surprise, Giles announced that this interview wouldn’t be like previous ones. He was going to be tough on me. He had been friendly and nice, faking it all along, but now he was going to “shift gears.”
From the beginning, I was caught off guard, but I am convinced I made my point: there are decent, normal, sane, moral people in the White Nationalist movement … reasonable and civilized people with legitimate grievances about Jewish power and their racial dispossession … and then there are psychopaths and defectives who fit every media stereotype and bring everything we are trying to do into disrepute.
You should all be able to see now where I am going with this.
In the interview, I remember comparing Linder to David Koresh of Waco fame. Jim Jones would be another. I was getting that starstruck vibe out of Giles. I was unsettled by it. Clearly, he had swallowed the kool aid.
For a while there, I half expected Giles to fall down on his Baptist knees and declare Linder the Son of Man. Any minute now, I thought. I was glad to get out of there.
One point Giles made is that Greg sounds like a homo, he has that gay sing-songy voice. I was wondering:
1. do dykes have a characteristic voice? why do so many fags have that distressingly annoying gay voice? I don’t have that voice, I sound like a hetero man, and Hunter also sounds pretty hetero.
2. can you get Greg to man up his voice a bit? maybe give him a three month supply of steroids or something to develop his larynx to masculine proportions.
Hunter, that was funny when Giles started talking his big broad shoulders, and how he could whip 98% of the men out there; and then asked you how big you were. That was creepy.
You should have been, like: well, when I’m wearing my heels…
Hunter, that was funny when Giles started talking his big broad shoulders, and how he could whip 98% of the men out there; and then asked you how big you were. That was creepy.
It was creepy. I was stunned. I’m sure plenty of the regulars here had the same reacton. Giles was dropping this fake persona of his; the one we had seen in previous interviews; the curious, but friendly good ol’ boy act.
I made a mental note about plunging into the movement scene head first. Until recently, I had always kept my distance. I clearly see now why so many people choose to stay away.
I was surprised too but I’ve got a thick skin. It’s nothing I haven’t seen before in life.
Now you know why I spent so much time earlier saying that I’m HBD and race realist, but don’t like to be called “wn.”
I can relate to your experience. I had a similar one listening to Christian Identity klansmen rally over radio, about the time I met you, predating my “philosemitic posting spree.”
While at a David Irving conference, I asked him if he considered the atrocities committed against the Jews to be genocide. He threw out a word he had coined which I believe is helpful: innocenticide. Genocide is more of an epithet than descriptive term, without a common definition. Innocenticide is the killing of the innocent. It’s what you described in your examples, the old people in their homes, the children, and such.
While you’re correct in rejecting “genocide” on moral terms, you should realize that to do so without flipping the terms and reframing is to forfeit the debate to Linder. You didn’t overturn the proposition that genocide is the solution, you just declared that you wouldn’t do it. You allowed yourself to be pinned in the corner as a cowardly academic type incapable of the serious “dick in the mud” work that must be done. A man who rejects morality and honor altogether can win any debate by pivoting behind a moral restriction, which is all that’s been done here.
But genocide, defined by myself as “trying to kill them all”, can and should be rejected on amoral terms as well. It’s a bad idea. It’s a distraction from the important work of reconstructing a sustainable G.E.S and fighting for White self-determination. We must be anti-Semitic to the extent that they’re anti-White. To be one drop less is capitulation. To be one drop more is distraction.
Monomaniacal anti-Semites often find themselves so eager in their anti-Semitism that they wind up on the wrong side of Whites. Why should we take a side on the Palestinian settlements? Why should we take the side of Black radicals who fiercely condemn Jews even though they condemn Whites with as much venom? Many casually associate with radical leftist groups. Many have non-White wives and children.
A case in point would be VNN’s front page frequently linking to Bradley Smith’s work. His work is with the “Holocaust”, a tar baby with little if any useful value for the serious White Advocate. He lives with his Mexican wife in Mexico, surrounded by his non-White children, and gets the headline treatment. Hunter Wallace? Not hardcore enough!
I was very surprised by the tone of the interview. At times it became almost hostile and it’s too bad it wasn’t a just a friendly exchange of ideas on the state of WN and some of its colorful (and not so colorful) personalities. On some subjects I agreed with Giles while on others I agreed with Hunter Wallace. Giles treated Mark Potok better than HW, an ally, and that’s most disconcerting.
Will someone please document where and when Alex Linder advocated genocide of the Jews? I’m not a forum member but I visit the VNN home page regularly and have never seen any exhortations to kill Jews. I’m just asking for ironclad proof. Anyone who can’t produce it is just as low as the flakes, dregs, poseurs and undercover cops that troll WN blogs and sites to stir the pot.
Some thoughts on the comments and discussion topics during the interview:
1) Only Alex Linder knows how to fight (according to Giles)
*While Alex is very effective with some segments of the white population, his rhetorical shock and awe methods aren’t the only viable methods of furthering the WN cause.
2) Greg Johnson’s alleged homosexuality
*Unless Greg has done something to harm WN, or is an informer it’s time to move on to other subjects.
3) Hunter Wallace comment that the political campaigns of Duke, Ron Paul and Buchanan haven’t changed the system
*True, so why take pains to be ultra respectable in the hopes that this will translate into near future electoral success? They system will not allow any racially conscious white person to crash the party, ever. The system is closed to us so let’s deal with it.
Note: At times HW sounded garbled and distant so it’s possible I missed comments that would have put his statements into proper context.
4) Giles charge of Jewish inspired and supported policies leading to the genocide of white Americas
* HW disagreed with this charge but I believe it has some merit. Obviously whites aren’t being rounded up and shot. At least yet. But, feminism, mass immigration, racial desegregation of schools and neighborhoods, and affirmative action have lowered the birth rate and increased the death rate of white people which is the intended effect of these policies. On several occasions the Jewish owned mainstream media has celebrated the coming minority status of whites.
As an aside former CIA agent Michael Scheuer coined the term “genocide through inundation” whereby the Chinese government is deliberately flooding the Uighur Muslim lands of northern China with Han Chinamen. How is this any different than our own government flooding this country with millions of non-whites annually?
5) Individual Jews and Jewish organizations haven’t overtly called for the genocide of whites
* Great, maybe they aren’t so bad after all right Hunter? While true this is only because they are clever enough and exercise enough self control to avoid concealing their real intentions towards us. They prefer the use of indirect strategy in promoting racial tolerance, equality and the concept of white guilt to batter our racial immune system. The result is a soft, slow genocide of white people.
6) Tim Wise is an eloquent spokesman for the anti-racist cause
*Appearances can be deceiving. Just because someone writes and speaks well doesn’t mean they actually do anything of value. Anyone with just a cursory knowledge of genetics, IQ, and violent crime rates will see Timmy for the anti-white buffoon that he is. Jewish anti-racist groups charge Jared Taylor and Kevin MacDonald with providing an intellectual facade for hate and racism but Tim’s false face of racial tolerance and advocacy of racelessness is just a mask for an abiding hatred of white people.
7) White Nationalist don’t hate blacks or Jews
* I don’t hate someone simply for their race. I don’t hate who they are but I do hate what some of them do to whites. Any black or Jew who hates whites will receive my hatred in return. I don’t hate any non-white or Jew who harbors no ill will against whites and is simply trying to go about his life in an honest manner.
I’ll probably think of a few more things, but I gotta run some errands.
I don’t debate sociopaths who propose mass murder as a solution to our problems. I don’t put the idea on a scale and weigh it. I flat out rejected the idea as immoral. Period.
Giles’ tough guy act did not impress and served no meaningful purpose. Rest assured we can all sleep at night now that we know the height of HW and that Jim can whip the bejesus out of almost anyone.
Mr. Dithers,
I’ve lost count of how many times I have heard him say it. Here’s a recent example:
http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/?p=7012
Exterminate the Jews – a Question Seeking Answers
Expulsion is the god that failed: You know as well as I do that the correct policy toward jews is to exterminate them – all of them. You know as well as I do that’s the only rational and effective response to their collective attempt to genocide our race. My question here, though, in this particular post, is whether I am the first in European history to propose this solution. I find that hard to believe, but I can’t think of an earlier proponent. The ‘Kwan fool will scream Hitler, but anyone here surely knows that’s not the case. So, please, help me out. Answer the question if you can, and use quotations and historical evidence if you know of any. Thanks, you virtual nation of round-eyed carers.
Please note that Giles and Linder place none of the blame on Northern Whites. After the Civil War, Northern Whites abolished slavery and wrote racial equality into the Constitution. In the 1960’s, Northern Whites proposed, supported, and passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Immigration Act of 1965.
Thanks Hunter. Somehow I missed that entry on his homepage.
Wikitopian, you see this most on VNNF where people refuse to criticize the muslim invasion of Europe because the muslims are the only ones fighting the jews. So they are willing to see Europe become non-white just to satisfy their jew-hatred.
It is absolutely insane that they can be allowed to call themselves pro-white when the preservation of our european homelands should be the number one priority of any white movement.
Basically, they use white nationalism as a guise for spewing anti-semitism.
Condemn Alex all you wish, but here’s a little gem from Soviet Jewish propagandist Ilya Ehrenburg. Anyone familiar with WWII history knows that Soviet soldiers took these words literally and raped over two million German women when not murdering everyone else in their path.
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v08/v08p507_Weber.html
“The Germans are not human beings. From now on the word German means to use the most terrible oath. From now on the word German strikes us to the quick. We shall not speak any more. We shall not get excited. We shall kill. If you have not killed at least one German a day, you have wasted that day … If you cannot kill your German with a bullet, kill him with your bayonet. If there is calm on your part of the front, or if you are waiting for the fighting, kill a German in the meantime. If you leave a German alive, the German will hang a Russian and rape a Russian woman. If you kill one German, kill another — there is nothing more amusing for us than a heap of German corpses. Do not count days, do not count kilometers. Count only the number of Germans killed by you. Kill the German — that is your grandmother’s request. Kill the German — that is your child’s prayer. Kill the German — that is your motherland’s loud request. Do not miss. Do not let through. Kill.”
Jew Solomon Morel tortured and murdered German soldiers and civilians in the war’s aftermath. Jews celebrate Passover and Purim. The former celebrates the mass killings of Egyptians while the latter celebrates the murder of 75,000 Persians. What other people celebrate mass murder of their perceived foes?
Why the double standard between Jews and Alex Linder? It’s time you hold Jews to the same lofty standards that Alex Linder is held to. Somehow Alex’s words tarnishes the character of all WN’s and harms our cause but the words and actions of Jews don’t cast aspersions on them. There seems to be some glaring inconsistency in logic.
I’m posting my response at noon.
Hunter, that was funny when Giles started talking his big broad shoulders, and how he could whip 98%
98% of smaller men who have no experience fighting no doubt. If he’s that talented he should join the UFC, he’d be a real contender.
I made a mental note about plunging into the movement scene head first. Until recently, I had always kept my distance. I clearly see now why so many people choose to stay away.
And they wonder why people use pseudonyms. I think you made the right choice Hunter. Don’t let others force you to do something.
Mark,
Did you hear his live broadcast this morning? He self destructed.
In the interview, I remember comparing Linder to David Koresh of Waco fame. Jim Jones would be another. I was getting that starstruck vibe out of Giles. I was unsettled by it. Clearly, he had swallowed the kool aid.
I’ve said that for a while now, he does have a small cult-like following. However, cult leaders are usually charismatic, so it’s curious how Linder attracts people. I suppose his sociopathy and outrageous statements titillate certain types of people. It’s like those strange women that adore convicts and serial killers.
“Did you hear his live broadcast this morning? He self destructed.”
Jim Giles? No I didn’t. Is there a recording?
I was listening to the live broadcast. He probably hasn’t posted the archive yet. I think he knew I was tuning in.
He lost his marbles. He was screaming, yelling at the top of his lungs, cussing all of us out. He was blaming us for a black-on-white rape and murder of a nine year old girl.
Giles is finished. After hearing that rant of his, no one in the movement, no one in their right mind will ever appear on his show again.
Geez. I wonder if at some point we’ll see his name in the papers.
His behavior vindicates those who have criticized the vanguardists.
Most of his broadcast this morning was given over to discussing his time in prison and the unfairness of being charged with assault and disturbing the peace. I was unaware of this.
I thought he was a good guy at first. I liked his Southern accent and the whole persona he was putting out of a Southern gentlemen and everyday guy. The fact that he had run for office a few times gave him some credibility. He was getting some really good guests on.
It is probably better this happened now rather then later before anymore trust was given.
I hope he posts the mp3 of his rant this morning. You all have got to hear this. I was thoughtful enough to transcibe some of it.
I think that both Linder and Giles have pretty much self-destructed. Good riddance to both of them.
I think that HW’s analogy to the Black Panthers is perfect.
As for Linder’s income: It is a good question. There is transparency with VDARE and AMREN because their IRS 990 forms are a matter of public record. Not so with VNN.
I know that Linder receives cash donations. Does he report these? I doubt it. But the IRS is skilled at ferreting out that sort of unreported income, and if they do (or did in the past) they would have leverage on Linder. And time somebody in the movement does things that are illegal, the government gains leverage on them that they can use to blackmail them.
My feeling is that Linder probably started out in earnest. But as his character flaws and bad decisions began to destroy him back in 2003-2004, he was backed into a financial corner and also, in all likelihood, hauled in on some tax or other illegality . . . and they turned him.
He perfectly fits the profile of someone who can be turned: arrogant, narcissistic, sociopathic. He is the kind of guy who thinks that he can use the Feds, and his “the movement, c’est moi” attitude, his aggressive, reckless hatefulness, and his general “hater and kook first, white nationalist second” attitude makes him a perfect person to spread chaos and division in the genuine movement.
An alternative theory: Linder get’s backed into a financial corner and when he is desperate, a new donor shows up with a fresh infusion of cash. This donor/handler then steers Linder toward criminal offenses, to gain leverage on him (”Don’t report this income Alex, or I’ll get in trouble for giving it to you.”) He also steers him toward targets that ZOG wants destroyed. If Linder becomes uncooperative, the mask can come off and open extortion can bring him back into line. Otherwise, the mask stays on and Linder remains in the dark about who is operating him and why.
One cannot write promotional material about the mass killing of Jews and not suffer physical harm at some point - particularly not in the post-Holocuat era. The fact that Linder has been doing it for about a decade without a visit form the JDL or the Betar tells me that he works for them. The JDL and the Betar operate in France with the tacit support of the government and can even use its government buildings, something that no other non-governmental organizations can do:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_0dchOWBeg&feature=PlayList&p=2BB8D1D47CE15B93&index=28&playnext=2&playnext_from=PL
The Linder apologists who show up here are the psychological dregs and bottom feeders of W.N.’s. They’re our massive ball and chain. Of course, the only good thing about them is that in real life they’re just lonely, damaged, scrawny individuals who don’t engage in any other behavior or activism beyond writing widely unread posts on boards nobody visits. They’re inconsequential and irrelevant. Should a White person stumble upon their writings, he or she will undoubtedly think that White Nationalists are unstable, genocidal losers and fantasists.
As to Linder living on donations, that’s for the birds! How many people donate to him? He keeps criticizing Peter Brimelow, but at least with him we know exactly what the gets and what he does with donations: where the money goes. Why would anyone send money to Linder? He has no product and offers nothing.
Alex Linder = Richard Warman.
All pro-White groups and people who don’t toe Linder’s exterminationist line on the Jews automatically come for some incredible abuse because, in his words, “they downplay the role of Jews.” Hence, his unhinged treatment of EVERYONE on the White Nationalist scene. Look at all the hideous name-calling of Brimelow, Buchanan, Taylor, etc., etc., etc.
This guy is such a wackjob. Nobody out there does more to discredit White Nationalism than Linder.
danielj
(Linder is a fed. I’m pretty sure of it. Everything points in that direction. If it quacks like a duck…)
I think he is a fed and a Jew. I’ll pay for the test.
That’s brilliant and hilarious.
We can add Levantine phenotype to that list. He claims he’s “German.” Right, and Ignatiev is “Russian.”
He perfectly fits the profile of someone who can be turned: arrogant, narcissistic, sociopathic. He is the kind of guy who thinks that he can use the Feds
Right, the same type of people he has surrounded himself with in the past, like Bill White and Hal Turner. There’s definitely a pattern here.
I don’t usually comment on how other men look, but Linder looks like a typical Levantine. Black hair, negroid facial features, large lips, swarthy skin. He’s a repulsive individual, inside and outside.
Jim Giles self destructs:
http://www.radiofreemississippi.net/audio2009/RFM-2009-12-19-RebelRant.mp3
It is toward the end.
I think HW would be a great guest on Sunic’s program.
Giles is talking about his dislike of pseudonyms and it sounds as if he’d love to “out” you, HW…I tell you what.
Giles claims anyone associated with OD is more interested in defending homosexuality than in advancing White interests.
Giles is a prick.
Listen to the mp3 above. Giles is trying stir up a lynch mob.
Mr Dithers quoted Soviet Jewish propagandist Ilya Ehrenburg (144), but he didn’t include that part which would be of special interest to HW:
“Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil! Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin. Stamp out the fascist beast once and for all in its lair! Use force and break the racial pride of these German women. Take them as your lawful booty. Kill! As you storm onward, kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army.”
Can you here that HW: NOT ONE AMONG THE LIVING, NOT ONE AMONG THE UNBORN BUT IS EVIL! That includes the elders and the 7 year old girls, hell, that includes even the unborn. It is sad, but evidently the Jews are to rape America not once but twice, as they did with both Germany and Russia, before people can grasp firmly who the Jews are and what they are capable of.
Almost 2 hours of him rambling and ranting… don’t know if I can take it.
You’d think he would realize that coughing, clearing his throat and yelling in the mic wouldn’t be appropriate, yet he constantly does it.
He starts off claiming Hunter doesn’t care about the Christian and Newsom murders and is more concerned about defending homosexuality. Come on Giles, that’s low and absolutely wrong.
I think we all here care about their families and would happily avenge their rape/torture/murder if it were legal. Things like that would rightfully be handled by the Klan in the old days.
Listen to the mp3, starting around 01:30. It goes on for several minutes. Good Lord, he’s a nutcase! Giles is a deranged prick.
What’s the difference between a ghetto welfare queen and Alex Linder?
This bullshit is unbelievable. I think black-on-white crime is enough of a problem to justify white separatism. I think the Knoxville case justifies throwing out the bums in power. I think it brings the MSM into disrepute. I’ve said that Jews should be excluded from a White ethnostate.
I don’t believe random negro violence … justifies genocide. A negro raping a nine year old girl … it doesn’t justify shooting and murdering Jewish children with a submachine gun. It doesn’t justify lynching a random black person in another state.
Jim Giles has morphed into James von Brunn.
Hunter is a radical compared to the mainstream. But to Linder and Giles, apparently if you don’t scream in the mic on radio interviews and advocate genocide you’re a weak conservative.
Mark,
Listen to the whole broadcast. You have to catch the end. This guy is insane. He is sitting behind a microphone in his Klan sheets. I bet he has a cross burning out in his front yard.
H.W., I’m listening to his show now and I enjoy it tremendously. “FUCK YOU ALL, FUCK YOU ALL, FUCK ALL!”
Occidental Dissent is for homosexuals.
I think we all agree with his outrage, but he’s just going about it in an unproductive manner. Like Linder, Giles can’t control his emotions and so lashes out at the closest person, his allies.
I’ve deleted RFM, VNN, and VNN Forum from the links on the sidebar. I added Guy White, Mangan’s, White America, OneSTDV, and View From the Right.
Good follow up, Ivan. I hastily put together post 144 because I had to leave. Of course, we can’t forget the genocidal Morgenthau plan authored by Jew Henry Morgenthau that was halted by General Patton.
The whole point of including this information is to prove to the flat earth white nationalists that throughout history some Jews have advocated the extermination of non-Jews and/or have gleefully participated in the mass murder of non-Jews. What happened in the past can happen again.
For the record I am not an advocate of exterminating any race and the recent call to arms by Giles falls on deaf ears. But you cannot condemn and wax indignant about the Nazis and Alex Linder then remain silent over the crimes of the racial egalitarian and extreme left embodied in communism and the Jews who perpetrated horrible crimes under that regime. You simply cannot operate that way and expect to be taken seriously.
He’s looking for people who are as mean as an outhouse rat.
You should delete and ban mental defectives, disrupters, trolls who advocate violence and genocide, or just illegalities. A good place to start would be Ivan, Mr. Dithers, jimbo. They have VNNForum, a place that caters to their garbage.
That’s good Fred. Don’t debate like a man, you have to scream like a little girl and demand certain people be disallowed from posting because you have no argument.
Since you struggle with reading comprehension, I challenge you to prove any advocacy of illegality on my part. For starters reread the last paragraph of my last post 10 times.
You’re another sociopath who justifies the killing of Jews because of what some W.W. II Jewish Bolshevik allegedly said 6 decades ago.
One thing is, Giles really views whites as his extended family; and jews and non-whites factor way, way less (our’n vs their’n). This is the essence of what it means to be “pro-white.” I’m still working on feeling this fellowship with whites.
So he has this rage that the North, and jewish (and WHITE) activists turned his country brown, and all the problems that come with it.
Do you have this rage? OR are you too effeminate?
Where is the rage??? This is Giles’ conundrum.
“For the record I am not an advocate of exterminating any race and the recent call to arms by Giles falls on deaf ears.”
Fred you have a problem and have yet to prove where I encouraged the genocide of Jews. Seek help or go find refuge with your ADL compatriots.
“For the record I am not an advocate of exterminating any race and the recent call to arms by Giles falls on deaf ears.”
Friedrich you have a problem and have yet to prove where I encouraged the genocide of Jews. Seek help or go find refuge with your ADL compatriots.
To recap:
The idea is to create a white breeder organization - a “super-society” if you will - as a necessary preliminary step before launching into creating an actual white nation or ethnostate.
The organization would explicitly define who is “white” and who isn’t. The members of the group, call them “Whitists”, elect representatives to make this determination (i.e. who gets admitted into the group and who gets expelled from the group).
The two basic rules are as follows:
1. Admission: Only persons with no descendants may petition to be admitted into the group. The earliest age at which someone can petition to join is 18. The offspring of two members is automatically a member at birth.
2. Expulsion: A member is expelled from the group if he is shown to be guilty of having a descendant who is not a member of the group.
What this means is that members must limit their procreation activities to other members of the group. In this sense the group defines a race, the “White Race.”
And to ensure Whitists are singularly loyal to the White Race, they cannot have any non-Whitist descendants.
The White Race should ultimately encompass all white people who feel it is important that their descendants stay white.
The beauty of this plan is that it doesn’t depend upon creating a white ethnostate right off the bat, with all the attendant difficulties. At some later time, perhaps, the White Race can establish states, or take over the world, or whatever.
Note that I hope the nations of Europe ultimately will become strict ethnostates, so this mainly applies to non-Europeans.
What’s the difference between a ghetto welfare queen and Alex Linder?
Mr. Dithers, why do you constantly harp on what one Jew said during W.W. II? His people weren’t exactly treated with kid gloves during that conflict. I don’t need to “seek help”, I’m the normal one on around here. You’re the sociopath droning about Jews in every post. You’re one of those primitive anti-Semites Nietzsche wanted to see shot.
Giles has said before that the only reason he’s pro-white is because of non-white crime. Based on that I don’t think he has a real sense of racialism or extended kinship.
Ivan, you think it’s rational and productive to threaten and intimidate your allies and friends?
Jim’s interview with Hunter was atrocious. Hunter, when Jim wandered off to get a cup of coffee right after calling you, that would have been the best time to vent your spleen against the exterminationists and “homophobes.” And, if I were you, when, just as you started to answer a question from Jim and he interrupted to take a crank call from Pastor “Mad Dog” Lindstadt, that’s when I’d have told Jim, “Excuse me, Mr. Giles, I need to go take a dump. I’ll leave you to deal with “Mad Dog” and his profound curiosity with Linder and why he gave JOG William Weiss’s IP address.” You could have just hung up. I was hoping you would.
Giles mentioned during the interview that he had talked to me the previous evening. That’s true, and our conversation was pleasant. I was surprised by how Jim treated you, Hunter, but what I came away with was the obviously wide gulf between Linder’s approach and your own, with Jim’s siding mostly with Rambo Linder.
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@ #103 Faustus advises Hunter:
“I was highly impressed with your delivery…not much time to speak, to be sure, but for your age, you did fine.
“Careful, lad, the War exists on both sides of the aisle; Giles represents a segment of the WN’st community, you are beginning to represent another, a balance which, at best, is hard to reconcile.”
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Wise counsel, Mr. Faustus. The balance that was struck best among various “WN” factions was the National Alliance that Dr. Pierce and followers built. In pre-Gliebe days the Alliance was respected for its sober, hard line, grounded in reality with an uncompromising biological world view. I can’t think of any legitimate pro-White group from those days that weren’t on good terms with our Alliance. Although NA certainly had a “spiritual” aspect that was anything but Xian, it had Xian members. We excluded queers, prisoners (w/rare exceptions) and folks with non-White ancestry, even those with non-White dependents, but we did not exclude Xians. We made it clear to them, however, in five pages of their Membership Handbook that Xianity is an alien creed with Jewish origins , ideologically opposed to that of the Alliance. Xian Alliance members learned to keep their nominal Yahwehism to themselves if they didn’t want to find themselves isolated from other members.
What was one of the first things Gliebe did on ascending to NA Chairman? He removed those five pages explaining the Alliance position on Xianity as an opposed ideology. It was all downhill from there because he had unilaterally removed the one thing that set Pierce’s followers apart from the rest of the “Movement.” (The exception, Klassen’s Church of the Creator, which had been, with similarity, hijacked by Matt Hale, turned into some sort of Skinhead gang, and soon taken down). Pierce’s carefully chosen vanguard — from those attracted to him who AGREED with is policies — left Gliebe, soon enough, on principle, as they should. Imagine his thoughtless dismissing of decades of Dr. Pierce’s careful, revolutionary-minded vanguard-building like that for expedient big tent “broader outreach.” Pffft! I’m not sure whose best at driving serious people away from the hard line in disgust, Linder or Gliebe?
That careful “balance” between true radical vanguard and mainstream White populism/conservatism — that’s what we’ll strike again.
Giles said he might be done with interviews. I’d say he should do at least one more, have the Lindstedt vs Linder debate and end his radio career with that one. Go out with a bang.
Ivan, you think it’s rational and productive to threaten and intimidate your allies and friends?
It’s unfortunate that my comment to which you are replying has been deleted (Here is my original comment: Jim simply speaks common sense in his rebel rant and there is no doubt in my mind that he is genuine in everything he said there. He is a rebel and he scares the shit out of both the Jews and the Hunter Wallaces. That’s what is needed badly. Good job, Jim).
No, Mark, I don’t think it’s rational and productive to threaten and intimidate your allies and friends. Could you point me please to anything that HW or you or FB said in this thread that could be even remotely interpreted as friendliness to Jim and Alex or treats them as allies.
“Mr. Dithers, why do you constantly harp on what one Jew said during W.W. II?”
For the same reason that you incessantly harp on what one WN (Linder) said the other day about killing Jews to discredit anyone who isn’t a pro-Jewish lunatic. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
I now am taking the position that it should be assumed that he is a fed. In the case that he proves me wrong, I’ll apologize, which is very “fair” considering that I have every motive just to lie for self-interest.
I think speculation along these lines is a waste of time. The question should be, “does he act like an agent provocateur,” not “can we go through his trash and find the pay stubs?”
In other words, we should have a well-defined template of an agent provocateur, and if someone fits it, he’s an agent provocateur. Whether the man in question is a useful idiot or a paid provocateur is largely irrelevant.
This kind of thinking would’ve served Hale well. Provocateurs can weasel around whether or not they cash the wrong guy’s checks. What they cannot weasel around is their behavior (which is, by definition, provocative). “His heart is in the right place” is the vulnerability he exploits.
No, Mr. Dithers, what a dead Jew might had said during W.W. II is completely irrelevant to Linder’s current genocidal ambitions. Because a Jew said something doesn’t justify Linder’s universalist genocidal objectives. It’s a stupid straw man. Linder claims to be a White Nationalist spokesman of some sort. We must, in turn, unequivocally say that he doesn’t speak for us. On the contrary, we condemn the this pathetic, ugly, repulsive, criminal, morally damaged sociopath with all our might and strength.
That was pretty funny, particularly the last part.
TabuLa Raza, thanks for the Birdman links.
I recognize the possibility that you are correct. Return the favor by recognizing the possibility that I am correct. You do your thing, I’ll do mine.
Just to be clear, the universe doesn’t revolve around you. Neither does the ethnopatriotic universe.
That’s what irks me most about some WNs - they seem to think they have to convince me of their particular flavor of ethnopatriotism. Why? To them it’s all black and white, the road forward is clear. What are they waiting for? They should get out there and get some non-faggot sweat on their blades. The mother of all non-homo battles is waiting. Talking to us seems like shirking.
Worse, it’s bad for white people.
I love this sort of statement. It’s just so cosmically wrong. No, rants and threats of violence don’t scare “the Jews.”
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
Arthur Schopenhauer
German philosopher (1788 - 1860)
No one thought Hal Turner was a fed either until the very end. Some over at VNN still don’t believe it. They had too much of their ego invested in believing in him.
You should at the very least consider the evidence and be wary of Linder.
This thread has run its course.
Locking.
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