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134 Responses to “Interview: Arthur Kemp”

1. on 28 Nov 2009 at 10:46 pm1Mark

   

   I’m glad he took my advice and interviewed him.

2. on 28 Nov 2009 at 11:27 pm2Hunter Wallace

   

   What a joke. White Americans have never had anyone to vote for? What about Jim Giles? He ran for Congress three times in Mississippi. There is an obvious explanation for why there are so few pro-White candidates. Who wants to endure that sort of abuse? Who wants groups like the SPLC and ADL harassing their employers?

3. on 28 Nov 2009 at 11:27 pm3Hunter Wallace

   

   I’m going to prepare a massive response to Kemp.

4. on 28 Nov 2009 at 11:36 pm4Hunter Wallace

   

   Giles didn’t ask any tough questions in this interview. We definitely need a follow up.

5. on 29 Nov 2009 at 2:37 am5Orion14

   

   I agree. I really appreciate Jim’s efforts, but he needs to have a list of questions prepared and be ready to follow up with some hard ones, especially with Kemp. I did find it somewhat funny when they were bashing the people that saw no hope in working within the system, then Giles coming out and saying something to the effect that he ran for office 3 times and it’s uphill due to all the obstacles (splc/adl/media control) that he faced. Kinda of validated the futility of working within the system argument.

6. on 29 Nov 2009 at 2:48 am6Yosemite

   

   Arthur kemp: a voice of sanity within the pro-white movement.

7. on 29 Nov 2009 at 3:06 am7Mr. Dithers

   

   I haven’t yet listened to the interview but am not real impressed with Arthur Kemp prescription for political success for pro-white figures. He acts as if a person simply needs to don a suit and tie, denounce and the knatsees, CI and NA, then begin railing against third world immigration, and the white masses will come flocking.

   To win in our corrupt system takes a great deal of money and unless Mr. Kemp is willing to bankroll potential candidates he should stop grandstanding. Further, the political establishment and media elites are hostile to a pro-white platform so good luck making inroads with the two major parties. Remember, Pat Buchanan won the New Hampshire primaries as a Republican in 1996 on an anti-affirmative action and immigration restrictionist platform only to be loudly denounced as a “hater” by his own party as well as the usual media harpies. The resulting smear campaign effectively marginalized the Buchanan campaign and forced Pat to withdraw from the race shortly thereafter.

   If Kemp feels he his dispensing sage like advice then the joke is on him.

8. on 29 Nov 2009 at 3:35 am8Fred Scrooby

   

   “There is an obvious explanation for why there are so few pro-White candidates. Who wants to endure that sort of abuse? Who wants groups like the SPLC and ADL harassing their employers?” ( — Hunter Wallace, #2)

   This is correct. The official (according to Jewish organizations, that is) size of the Jewish population in this country is some 5½ million but I agree with those who estimate it’s really twice that, maybe more than twice. As far as I’m concerned it’s twelve million. The 5½ million figure is laughable but even if I and the others are wrong and that is in fact the figure, that’s humongous compared to anything Europe’s dealing with. (And I don’t think we’re wrong.)

   With that size Jewish population over here, the Jews are able to strongly dominate many key branches of the élite world, I would say most key branches, and are able to absolutely squelch nascent political activity they don’t like in a way Jews cannot directly do in Europe because not as numerous on the ground or in the élite niches. Here they kill it deader than a doornail, done, cooked, extinguished, over with, stick a fork in it, a pile of ashes, charred remains, and smoke; over there they hurt it, they hinder it, they cripple it, but it’s not reduced to smoke and ashes, can hobble on crutches, can stumble forward, can live to fight another day. Here it can’t. Difference.

   The biggest route of Jewish influence on Europe isn’t homegrown European Jews but U.S. ones acting through the medium of the U.S. government, NGOs, and the U.N., all of which they control or heavily influence. That indirect Jewish influence on Europe is a huge problem, a huge drag on anything that aspires to be normalness over there, but it’s not strong enough to outright extinguish all nascent opposition as it is here. We here are in the belly of the ZOG beast; in Europe they’re only the periphery.

   Kemp doesn’t realize that. Neither do a lot of Europeans who dismiss as exaggerations claims of huge Jewish power here.

9. on 29 Nov 2009 at 4:09 am9Junghans

   

   Quite correct, as usual, Mr. Dithers & Fred Scrooby. What’s with all of these sudden, volte face, strategic political epiphanies of F. Braun & A. Kemp? Have they forgotten that we are indeed living in the land of ZOG? When the great Gengenraße has enough power, stifling White ethnocentrism is what they instinctively do, with all deliberate malice. They gamed the conventional political process long ago, and are not about to let White upstarts elbow their way back in.

10. on 29 Nov 2009 at 5:12 am10Friedrich Braun

    

    Jim Giles is a poor interviewer because he isn’t knowledgeable enough. Why don’t you give a try, H.W.?

11. on 29 Nov 2009 at 5:43 am11Trainspotter

    

    I’ve now listened to most of the interview. Looking forward to Hunter’s response, but here are a few preliminary observations:

    1. Kemp is right about ditching or distancing ourselves from the cranks and costume clowns - although we may have some differences as to exactly what constitutes a crank. I get the sense that his definition is quite a bit more expansive than mine. Still, in a fundamental sense, he is correct.

    2. Kemp is wrong about the issue of violence, yet as a matter of political expediency I can certainly understand his position. I do not advocate (but merely speculate about hypotheticals) when I predict that violence is very likely to be a big part of future politics on this continent. But again, this is nothing that any sort of “mainstreamed” WN movement needs to get into, so again, I take his point.

    3. He’s flat wrong about the Jewish issue, but at the same time he did something that I recently suggested (either here or at majorityrights): just say that it’s fine for Jews to have a homeland, but we want our homeland too. They are entitled to a nation of their own…and so are we. Now, of course, this approach leaves out about 1001 things that are important and true, but from the standpoint of “mainstream” WN as he envisions it, maybe it is saying enough. I haven’t decided yet.

    The emerging theme is fairly simple: Kemp gives short shrift to a lot of things that are very important to the typical WN, but his approach is probably the right one for any sort of mainstreamed WN movement.

    That’s not to say that the hardcore types like Linder should disappear. To the contrary, I (apparently unlike Kemp) believe that they are crucial. We need the hardcore radicals (not costume clowns, but radicals!) hammering away with the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. It’s just that they aren’t going to be part of the mainstream WN movement, if and when one is created.

    And to preempt the inevitable line that “You’re just saying that if someone dresses well and waters things down, the establishment will treat them with respect.” No, I’m not saying that at all. But from that it doesn’t follow that one might as well dress as a Kluxer or costume Nazi. The establishment is going to be against us no matter what. The real question is what our TARGET MARKET will think, the marginal person that we can influence and/or recruit. If someone can’t understand that much of our target market is going to respond very differently to a credible guy than some ridiculous caricature in Klan robes, well, he has rocks in his head…or a hidden agenda.

    Just as an example, take the Duke interview with Blitzer. Classic stuff. Now imagine how that would have gone down if Duke had appeared in a red Klan outfit, proclaiming himself the Grand Kleagle of Hobbit Land. The difference is so obvious that only a nutcase (or infiltrator) couldn’t see it. I won’t name names, but…

    The most biting criticism of WN is that, for many decades, it has accomplished virtually nothing out in the broader culture. We have so abandoned the field amongst “normal” people that now many would view us as something akin to Martians, well dressed or not. The only people they have heard advocating anything close to the WN posisiton have been wearing Klan robes, or worse.

    Basically, they haven’t heard our point of view presented credibly for several generations. I know, I know, the establishment crushes good white leadership. We are a suppressed political movement. That much is very, very true. But surely we could have done better than we have. Just a few decades ago, white racial consciousness was still very strong in large sections of the country. Wallace was kicking ass in the early seventies, in and out of the South, for crying out loud. After he was shot, what did we do? Nothing, except for costume clowns who created in the public mind the idea that white racial preservation is only advocated by wackjobs. They did their job well.

    Even today, there are huge numbers of people out there that would serve as a natural constituency for us. With all of that material to work with, literally generations have gone by and we can’t even elect a dogcatcher. Duke was an outlier in this period, but nobody emulated what he did. He showed what could be done, at least in certain parts of the country. Result? No takers. Let’s scream “White Power!” instead, or bitch and moan that nothing could be done - even when we were at a point where much could have been accomplished.

    We simply can’t blame all of this on a hostile media. Much of it, yes. Maybe most of it. But not all of it. We could have done better, and we simply didn’t. We instead pissed away even more years until political correctness was firmly established. Now? You speak out and you lose your job, making organizing more and more difficult, even for a mainstream organization. That wouldn’t have happened so much in 1975, and maybe even 1985. Did we take advantage? Of course not. Just more costume clowns driving nails into our coffin.

    Do I believe that we are going to get out of this mess through the normal democratic process? No. If Kemp believes that, then he is kidding himself. But could we have done better? Could that “better” have possibly put us in a stronger position to operate as the system loses legitimacy? Could we have created a meaningful infrastructure that would have opened up all sorts of possibilities, including some that Kemp might not want to contemplate?

    For me, the answer is yes. The real tragedy of today is that we don’t have a meaningful infrastructure built up, except online. That’s nice, but not nearly enough. We instead abandoned the field to the costume clowns, because they were the only ones in a continental sized nation that were willing to do anything. Amazing, as this is a country where white racial consciousness was the norm within living memory of many, perhaps most, of the posters on this board.

    Despite disagreeing with Kemp on many a point, his criticism has considerable and somewhat painful validity.

12. on 29 Nov 2009 at 10:36 am12WogWatch

    

    I like your website and look forward to your commentary on Arthur Kemp. Perhaps you will convince me that I’m mistaken in this, but it seems to me that Mr. Kemp does have a valid point about the Jewish question and the need to distance ourselves from oddballs, conspiracy theorists, and Holocaust revisionists. The most successful pro-white politician in the US, David Duke, ran on an essentially non-”anti-Semitic” platform. Yes, he had a lot of baggage, but I am pretty sure if David Duke had talked about Jews and Zionism, he wouldn’t have received thirty percent of the vote. The BNP only began to grow when it stopped talking about Jews, the Holocaust, and WWII, and focused on the Islam problem, an issue with which voters seems to have some degree of sympathy. The same goes for other far-right political parties in Europe, from the Flemish Interest to the the Party of Freedom. Shouldn’t we adopt the platform that has borne the most fruit?

13. on 29 Nov 2009 at 2:03 pm13NeoNietzsche

    

    We instead abandoned the field to the costume clowns, because they were the only ones in a continental sized nation that were willing to do anything.

    One wonders why.

    Could it be that Nietzsche was right, that only the man of violence can speak the truth - that le bourgeois gentilhomme, he of the suit-and-tie, was then complicit in a lie, just as is the harmless ethnostatist peace-preacher of today, blazing away from his keyboard tray?

14. on 29 Nov 2009 at 2:31 pm14NeoNietzsche

    

    Jacques Rancière observes that the term ‘democracy’ does not strictly designate either a form of society or a form of government. Every state is oligarchic; every democracy contains an oligarchic nucleus — a “creative minority,” whose “creative power,” in Arnold J. Toynbee’s interpretation, has been crucial to the rise and demise of civilizations throughout history.

    Since government is “always exercised by the minority over the majority,” Rancière points out, there is strictly speaking “no such thing as democratic government”:

    We do not live in democracies. … We live in States of oligarchic law … where … [oligarchic elites] hold free elections. These elections essentially ensure that the same dominant personnel is reproduced, albeit under interchangeable labels, but the ballot boxes are generally not rigged and one can verify it without risking one’s life. … Peaceful oligarchic government redirects democratic passions toward private pleasures and renders people insensitive to the public sphere. … [T]he multitude, freed of the worry of governing, is left to its private and egotistical passions.

    In a post-democratized world run by inevitable oligarchies, Colin Crouch points out, “political elites have learned to manage and manipulate popular demands,” persuading people to vote by “top-down publicity campaigns.” Governing today, says Baudrillard, “is like advertising and it is the same effect that is achieved — commitment to a scenario.” The political world, thus, intensively imitates and recycles the methods of other more self-confident spheres like show business and the marketing of goods. From this, emerge the familiar paradoxes of contemporary politics:

    Both the techniques for manipulating public opinion and the mechanisms for opening politics to scrutiny become ever more sophisticated, while the content of party programmes and the character of party rivalry become ever more bland and vapid.

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/

    What is the implication of this fundamental truth?

    The progress to be made by preaching to the choir and the quirites?

15. on 29 Nov 2009 at 4:10 pm15The Admiral

    

    I agree with Trainspotter (above). Well said.

    Kemp offers some sensible advice. His critique of conspiracy nuts is spot on. WNs have only ourselves to blame for not forming a mainstream political structure. His discounting of the Jewish role, however, is very disappointing (though his job as a BNP spokesman may limit the parameters of his comments), and I disagree with him over the prospect for violence.

    He claims, in the example of South Africa, that “demography is destiny,” and that the key to political control is to conquer territory and hold it. And yet, if we follow his advice and focus on the political process only, there’s no chance we’ll be able to conquer any territory without the use of force and violence, at some stage. He says the US has 20 years, tops, until the demographic situation is irreversible. And what then? It is at that point, IMO, that non-political solutions probably will be pursued.

    I would like to see a dual approach: a mainstream White political organization, such as “EUPAC,” and a network of non-affiliated hardcore activist and paramilitary groups.

    I like Giles, and I support what he’s doing, but he needs to be better informed about some fundamental issues. It’s really frustrating. We need articulate, educated, informed WN spokesmen and spokeswomen who don’t come across as a caricature. Is this too much to ask?

16. on 29 Nov 2009 at 4:45 pm16TabuLa Raza

    

    http://www.radiofreemississippi.net/images/jimgiles33a.jpg

17. on 29 Nov 2009 at 5:51 pm17Mark

    

    I think Mr. Giles is doing a fine job and with time he will improve.

    Racially, being a blond Anglo-Saxon type, he’s probably superior to the majority of the people here.

18. on 29 Nov 2009 at 6:20 pm18The Admiral

    

    Agreed. From where he is now, the only way he can go is ,up.

19. on 29 Nov 2009 at 7:14 pm19NeoNietzsche

    

    Racially, being a blond Anglo-Saxon type, he’s probably superior to the majority of the people here.

    Do you mean to say that he’s a member of a racial sub-type that is, on average, superior in certain significant respects to other sub-types?

    Or do you mean that his membership in that sub-group translates into an comparable quintessential personal superiority, whatever his objective personal characteristics? Such that Jeffrey Dahmer is personally “superior” to Thomas Sowell?

    I suspect that you will want to affirm the former and are sympathetic to the latter view. The latter view, of course, makes racialism a questionable proposition in the eyes of any potential sympathizer in a position to influence events, since it is obviously the emotional resort of those who can claim no other priority in the real world. But the requirements of popular propaganda are in the appeal to the left side of the White IQ curve, for the sake of additional numbers, you will say.

    But numbers no longer count - this is not a democracy - this is not the Weimar Republic - popular opposition to Communism did not “collapse” or “overthrow” anything in Eastern Europe. You are a victim of the “democratic delusion” that is constantly cultivated in you by polling and the fatuous formulations of political pseudo-science. These are, rather, the times of Septimius Severus.

20. on 29 Nov 2009 at 7:45 pm20Hunter Wallace

    

    Kemp didn’t say anything new in the interview. I was going to write a long post about this, but chose instead to go out last night.

21. on 29 Nov 2009 at 8:00 pm21Kasimir Petrenkov

    

    Racially, being a blond Anglo-Saxon type, he’s probably superior to the majority of the people here. - Mark

    I think pro-white ideology puts a bit too much stock in “blondism.” Blond or red hair, blue or green eyes, these are merely variations of the Aryan phenotype. They show up in all truly Aryan populations whether Scandinavia or Italy (sometimes even in Asia!) to a greater or lesser extent. If there is a correlation between these traits and positive character or intellect traits, go ahead and prove it.

22. on 29 Nov 2009 at 8:18 pm22Hunter Wallace

    

    The Fringe

    1.) Kemp is exaggerating the influence of the Klan, Skinheads, Christian Identity, Neo-Confederates, and Neo-Nazis. They were representative of the pro-White movement in the 1980’s, but have been steadily marginalized over the past twenty years. According to Swain and Zeskind, the typical White Nationalist is now a middle class, white male professional unaffiliated with any organization.

    2.) If every single one of these types disappeared tomorrow, we might realize a marginal improvement in our public image, but we would still get unrelenting hostile coverage by the media.

    3.) In a liberal democracy, it is not really possible to “purge” the racialist fringe. They can be excluded from our organizations and websites, but that’s about it. In spite of our best efforts, the MSM will never stop trying to expose “links” between the WN mainstream and the fringe to discredit us.

    4.) Unlike the Jews, the kooks and costume clowns are not a serious social problem. 99% of them are harmless deviants. That should be our response. Making an issue about them furthers enemy propaganda against us.

    5.) The Left moves towards its fringe. The Right pronounces anathema on its own. As a consequence, our culture always shifts toward the Left. That isn’t a winning strategy.

    6.) The five groups mentioned above are unviable. Clearly, they aren’t going anywhere. Again, I don’t see a rationale for making a big deal about them. No one lives in fear of Bill White, World Commander of National Socialism, sieg heiling the Fuhrer over his cornflakes in the morning.

    7.) The Overton Window requires an extremist fringe to make our own positions look moderate.

    8.) There is a strong temptation to scapegoat the racialist fringe for our lack of political success. It appeals to the middle class, conservative, bourgeois sensibilities of the WNs who resent their loss of respectability. This class bias causes a lot people to make mountains out of mole hills. The constant raising of the issue has more to do with fretting over social status than anything else.

    9.) If we abandon “anti-Semitism,” we can go as far as Guy White, Ian Jobling, and Lawrence Auster have gone. If we abandon explicit whiteness, we can go as far as the paleocons. Both groups are excluded from the mainstream.

    10.) Purging the fringe won’t change the “dynamic silence” strategy of our enemies:

    http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_silence

    “Dynamic Silence was invented by Rabbi Feinberg of the American Jewish Committee in 1947 as a method of closing off all access to the public media - and thus the larger culture - for people or organizations deemed to have an unacceptable point of view. In spite of minor changes and adaptations, it can still be understood as being comprised of two parts. In the first part, unfavored individuals are denied unmediated exposure to the public. In the second part, only negative aspects of the unfavored individuals are reported. This starts a downward spiral of de-legitimization in the public eye in which the harder unfavored individuals try to get public exposure, the more negative and unflattering that exposure becomes until, finally, nobody wants to be associated with the ideas of beliefs of the unfavored individuals.”

23. on 29 Nov 2009 at 8:21 pm23Mark

    

    A bit backhanded, Admiral. I don’t see why people are so malicious towards someone making a positive difference.

    NN, your comment is like something I would read from an anti-racist. I suppose you feel threatened in regards to your ancestry/sub-race so you feel the need to make it a non-issue.

    Dahmer was estimated to have an IQ of 145, probably significantly higher than Sowell. Sowell is also a Marxist and doesn’t believe in racial differences.

    I have the impression that Hunter Wallace wants to appeal to all whites, not just the top 2-3% of the population.

24. on 29 Nov 2009 at 8:24 pm24Mark

    

    “If there is a correlation between these traits and positive character or intellect traits, go ahead and prove it.”

    That is the essence of racialism. If we were all the same then why would we care?

25. on 29 Nov 2009 at 8:41 pm25Mark

    

    “1.) Kemp is exaggerating the influence of the Klan, Skinheads, Christian Identity, Neo-Confederates, and Neo-Nazis. They were representative of the pro-White movement in the 1980’s, but have been steadily marginalized over the past twenty years. According to Swain and Zeskind, the typical White Nationalist is now a middle class, white male professional unaffiliated with any organization.”

    I think both you and Kemp want to focus on the last group.

    Kemp advocates real political participation, do you?

    I think the main difference between the two of you is he wants to distance himself from the fringe and you do not, otherwise there are a lot of similarities.

26. on 29 Nov 2009 at 8:42 pm26Hunter Wallace

    

    Conservatism

    1.) Arthur Kemp is a conservative. This temperament colors every aspect of his worldview. As a conservative, he is dismissive of equality. His sneering at the racialist fringe is far more about status anxiety than constructing a winning political strategy.

    2.) Conservatism has been tried and failed. We can’t afford another fifty years of more of the same. The argument against discussing the JQ works equally well for White Nationalism and explicit whiteness. Abandoning both improves our chances at the polls.

    3.) Conservatism, not the racialist fringe, is the primary reason that White Nationalism has remained marginalized. The segregationists bought into the argument that the smart thing to do was to abandon explicit whiteness, fight the “culture war,” and use aracial arguments to take power.

    In some distant future, they would change things after “sneaking up on the liberals.” The long term result was massive deracialization and the institutionalization of multiculturalism and affirmative action in the GOP.

    4.) Via the Overton Window, watering down our message, ceding ground to our enemies, allows the Left to shift further toward its fringe. It pushes the discourse on race and other topics in a hostile direction.

    5.) Conservatism is proof that Kemp’s strategy is a loser. The conservatives have won plenty of elections over the past fifty years, a number which we can’t possibly hope to match, but have nothing to show for it. Like all rightwing conservatives, Kemp confuses political power with the ballot box. They are not the same thing.

    6.) What sense does it make to pour our limited resources into doomed political campaigns like the Ron Paul movement? Even if we were to elect a few state representatives, no one would work with them, and they wouldn’t have the power to change anything. If we succeded in electing a Senator or Congressman, there is a good change he would be expelled.

27. on 29 Nov 2009 at 8:55 pm27Mark

    

    Someone should contact Kemp and tell him to comment here, that would be very interesting.

28. on 29 Nov 2009 at 9:00 pm28Hunter Wallace

    

    The “Do Nothing” Mentality

    1.) At first glance, the Socialist Party and Communist Party USA were electoral disasters. They never got anywhere at the ballot box. They failed to water down their message and rise to power through a populist electoral strategy.

    2.) In reality, much of their platforms, in particular their racial views, were adopted by the mainstream Left. The Communists didn’t have to win elections to force racial integration on America. Likewise, we don’t have to win elections to reverse it.

    3.) As I noted above, the conservatives have won plenty of elections. They dominated American politics for decades. They control states and entire regions of the country, but they have decisively lost the culture war. This fact alone should give one pause before jumping to the conclusion that electoral politics is the path to victory.

    4.) The Left has a different understanding of political power. They focus on pushing the national discourse on various topics in their direction. They understand that cultural victories result in permanent political victories in the long term. Via the Overton Window, the Right eventually waters itself down to remain mainstream. Examples: feminism, civil rights, immigration, multiculturalism, etc.

    5.) Victory isn’t winning pyrrhic elections. It is pulling the national discourse on race-related topics in our direction. We should imitate winners, not losers.

    6.) This is not to say we should abstain from democratic politics. Instead, I am arguing it shouldn’t be our primary focus.

29. on 29 Nov 2009 at 9:07 pm29Trainspotter

    

    “There is a strong temptation to scapegoat the racialist fringe for our lack of political success. It appeals to the middle class, conservative, bourgeois sensibilities of the WNs who resent their loss of respectability. This class bias causes a lot people to make mountains out of mole hills. The constant raising of the issue has more to do with fretting over social status than anything else.”

    A lot of truth here, but the real issue isn’t so much scapegoating the loons, it’s the failure of credible people to come together and effectively offer a competing and appealing vision. It’s our failure to address our target market as effectively as we could, regardless of media opposition.

    This leads to a very basic question: regardless of establishment opposition, have we addressed our TARGET MARKET as well as we reasonably could have?

    I think the answer to that is obvious. We haven’t. We have failed miserably in terms of effectively reaching our target market, at least as that pertains to non-intellectual “normal” people. However mistaken he may be in other respects, Kemp is clearly right about that. We abandoned the field to the kooks, for the simple reason that kooks and losers were willing to act and more credible men were not. Now we reap the bitter fruit.

    But, fortunately, all is not lost. Far from it. The system loses legitimacy by the day, and if nothing else we have disseminated our ideas amongst a significant number of the intellectually curious. Not nearly enough, but a lot. We have not been entirely idle, and I believe that Linder is correct when he notes the spread of VNN style ideas. It has indeed spread, and it is a joy to behold. I see it popping up in all sorts of places where it would not have before. That’s the one area where real progress has been made, and at the end of the day, it is one of the most important areas. We’ve built something of an intellectual foundation and, for all of the failures and missed opportunities, that counts for quite a bit.

    So where do we go from here? I think the Admiral has it right when he suggests a dual approach. We need to at least try our hand at some sort of mainstream WN, but we also need to develop and encourage the hardcore/under the radar types. It is not either/or. We can learn from Kievsky as well as the BNP. They aren’t mutually exclusive.

30. on 29 Nov 2009 at 9:21 pm30Mark

    

    John de Nugent shares his opinion on Kemp’s strategy for American white nationalists: http://www.radiofreemississippi.net/audio2009/stream.nugent.mp3.

31. on 29 Nov 2009 at 9:22 pm31Hunter Wallace

    

    If I had a magic wand, I would wave it and make the fringe disappear. Unlike Kemp, I don’t think it would change anything. The “dynamic silence” strategy would remain intact. We would still be associated with the Klan and Nazism in the media. The MSM propaganda against us wouldn’t change a note. At best, there might be a marginal improvement in a public image.

    Why aren’t legions of WNs taking to the field and running for political office? It is not because these people don’t exist. It is not because of the racialist fringe. Rather, it is due to the relentless harassment of their employers and the ritual shaming done by the media. No rational person yearns to be a piñata. That is why you always see dysfunctional, anti-social types out there representing us on the streets.

    It usually takes a severe psychological dysfunction to seek out and endure that type of abuse.

32. on 29 Nov 2009 at 9:37 pm32Friedrich Braun

    

    Mar, his blond hair didn’t endow him with good interviewing skills.

33. on 29 Nov 2009 at 9:37 pm33Trainspotter

    

    “1.) Arthur Kemp is a conservative. This temperament colors every aspect of his worldview. As a conservative, he is dismissive of equality. His sneering at the racialist fringe is far more about status anxiety than constructing a winning political strategy.”

    Status anxiety likely plays into it, but keep in mind that the BNP seems to be making its biggest gains from Labour voters. The BNP is not a “conservative” party. It is explicitly white and economically nationalist. Some of its policies would be considered leftist in the American political lexicon.

    “2.) Conservatism has been tried and failed. We can’t afford another fifty years of more of the same. The argument against discussing the JQ works equally well for White Nationalism and explicit whiteness. Abandoning both improves our chances at the polls.”

    Perhaps, but again, the BNP is explicitly white. Yes, they have abandoned the JQ. But let’s face it: the typical white doesn’t care about the JQ. I’m not saying that we are going to get out of this mess by dodging the question - I don’t think we can. But perhaps the “mainstream” wing of the WN movement doesn’t need to obsess over it. Perhaps they need to obsess over the things that the typical white is actually concerned about - while remaining explicitly white and never wavering from our right to exist as a people. As far as I’m concerned, the jury is still out on this.

    “3.) Conservatism, not the racialist fringe, is the primary reason that White Nationalism has remained marginalized. The segregationists bought into the argument that the smart thing to do was to abandon explicit whiteness, fight the “culture war,” and use aracial arguments to take power.”

    The key is that modern conservatism has become aracial. That is what has doomed us. One has to be explicitly white, or all is lost. Whether the JQ should be central is another matter, at least from the standpoint of a hypothetical mainstream WN wing.

    “In some distant future, they would change things after “sneaking up on the liberals.” The long term result was massive deracialization and the institutionalization of multiculturalism and affirmative action in the GOP.”

    The BNP is explicitly white, economically nationalist, and a defender of the white working class - I think they’ve got a good thing going. It’s populism, not conservatism.

    “4.) Via the Overton Window, watering down our message, ceding ground to our enemies, allows the Left to shift further toward its fringe. It pushes the discourse on race and other topics in a hostile direction.”

    Agreed. This was the fundamental error of modern conservatism.

    “5.) Conservatism is proof that Kemp’s strategy is a loser. The conservatives have won plenty of elections over the past fifty years, a number which we can’t possibly hope to match, but have nothing to show for it. Like all rightwing conservatives, Kemp confuses political power with the ballot box. They are not the same thing.”

    Again, the BNP isn’t really what you could call “conservative.”

    “6.) What sense does it make to pour our limited resources into doomed political campaigns like the Ron Paul movement? Even if we were to elect a few state representatives, no one would work with them, and they wouldn’t have the power to change anything. If we succeded in electing a Senator or Congressman, there is a good change he would be expelled.”

    Agreed. But that is not what the BNP is doing. The BNP approach is quite different from that of Ron Paul. In some ways, they are polar opposites.

34. on 29 Nov 2009 at 10:10 pm34Trainspotter

    

    “Why aren’t legions of WNs taking to the field and running for political office? It is not because these people don’t exist. It is not because of the racialist fringe. Rather, it is due to the relentless harassment of their employers and the ritual shaming done by the media. No rational person yearns to be a piñata. That is why you always see dysfunctional, anti-social types out there representing us on the streets.”

    Yes, this is true - today. Yet it was not always so. As I mentioned in a post above, things were not so bad just two or three decades ago, and yet WN did next to nothing apart from the costume clowns.

    We have been underground for so long that when one of us pops up, like a gopher peeking through a hole, the weight of the system falls upon him. They pick us off and beat us down one by one. Had we created a viable movement with significant numbers, this would not necessarily have been the case. In any event, we’ll never know, as the opportunity was not exercised. (By the way, we aren’t even doing nearly enough of the Kievsky type stuff, which doesn’t require becoming a pinata - but that’s a different story)

    Even today, it may be possible to create a mainstream WN wing, but it must demonstrate great wisdom and vision. Linder’s idea of a white ADL is good. Such an organization could focus exclusively on fighting explicit, obvious wrongs and atrocities against whites. If such an organization steered clear of the loons and costume clowns, including a couple who infest this very board, it might be able to get something going. The establishment would of course still oppose it, but our target market (which is all that matters) would likely see things differently.

    Such an organization should stick to one function and only one function: opposing horrible atrocities against whites, as well as blatant unfairness against whites. The sorts of things that our target market would readily agree with. This organization could, in rapid order, set a precedent that it is legitimate to defend white interests, in turn opening up a world of opportunities for additional organizations. The important thing is that the breakthrough organization must be impeccable in its behavior, and its mission must be absolutely pure. NOT in the vain hope that the system will treat it with respect, but purely because of the effect on the TARGET MARKET.

    Who knows? It might even work.

    That’s the first step to any creation of a mainstream WN wing: a breakthrough organization. Linder’s white ADL idea (actually, a buddy of mine and myself arrived at this idea independently about ten years ago, as I’m sure many other people have) may be the way to go. I can’t think of better terrain on which to fight the initial mainstream battle. It’s vital that the initial battle must be fought on the most favorable ground that we can find.

35. on 29 Nov 2009 at 10:19 pm35danielj

    

    NN, your comment is like something I would read from an anti-racist. I suppose you feel threatened in regards to your ancestry/sub-race so you feel the need to make it a non-issue.

    No it isn’t. One can not utilize the rhetoric of “superiority” when it is demonstrably false is his point.

    Dahmer was estimated to have an IQ of 145, probably significantly higher than Sowell. Sowell is also a Marxist and doesn’t believe in racial differences.

    Thomas Sowell is committed to laissez faire capitalism and isn’t a communist in any way, shape or form.

    Dahmer got caught even after his little Korean boy got away and he had a second chance so his IQ wasn’t terrible high. Somebody “estimated somebody’s IQ at something” seems to be a popular refrain in WN circles intended to silence people who are making a point they disagree with instead of engaging the point.

    However, Dahmer’s IQ was not the point. In fact, having a higher IQ doesn’t make you “superior” to somebody. This simple fact has been NN’s main thrust for quite some time now. His point is, little Jefferey was inferior to Thomas Sowell and the truth is, he was. I’d rather live in a neighborhood of Sowells than Dahmers despite my beliefs about race.

    I have the impression that Hunter Wallace wants to appeal to all whites, not just the top 2-3% of the population.

    It is the top 15% of whites that are the most important demo to capture.

36. on 29 Nov 2009 at 10:39 pm36NeoNietzsche

    

    NN, your comment is like something I would read from an anti-racist.

    Perhaps. But it is also the perspective of the non-bigot, who might nevertheless be led to understand the opposition he faces, if de-or-sub-humanizing it is not involved.

    I suppose you feel threatened in regards to your ancestry/sub-race so you feel the need to make it a non-issue.

    Quite the contrary. My mother’s genealogical investigations turned up the fact that I am descended from a lieutenant of Rollo the Viking, founder of the Norman Duchy. And there are several illustrious A-S ancestors on my father’s side. Nevertheless, this is *already* a non-issue for me, since I need not rely upon any *racial* attributes for a sense of self-esteem. I am the non-bigot, mentioned above, who recognizes the racial issue as one of war and not of taste - as one of “superiority” on the battlefield, not in the salon.

    Dahmer was estimated to have an IQ of 145, probably significantly higher than Sowell. Sowell is also a Marxist and doesn’t believe in racial differences.

    So, was Dahmer personally “superior” to Sowell - and would you publicly defend a judgment as to that, in the affirmative, on behalf of the cause?

37. on 29 Nov 2009 at 10:41 pm37White Preservationist

    

    White Nationalism won’t begin to gain any nation-wide traction in the USA until, as someone on Majority Rights once wrote, a brilliant and charismatic pro-White strongman emerges on the national scene, someone who rises above the pathetically circus-like ‘democratic’ morass and gets the White masses of the USA instinctively riled up, the rise one of Spengler’s predicted Western/White Caesars - “Caesarism grows on the soil of Democracy, but its roots thread deeply in to the underground of blood tradition.”

    The best we can do right now is work locally/regionally via the founding various pro-White colonies as I discussed in a recent post - http://whitesurvival.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/future-opportunities-for-on-the-groundreal-life-pro-white-community-formation/ - and through those colonies seek to organize racially-conscious American Whites on a local/regional level, to build a parallel society within the increasingly corrupt American national body-politic — as Tip O’Neill once said: “All politics is local.” On that level (the local/regional and state-level) we can begin to effect real changes on the ground; the national-federal level is utterly controlled by organized Jewry (money + mass-media) and their bought-off pawns, and thus a person or group who fails to gain national mass-media exposure is largely relegated to near-obscurity through the highly corrupt and ‘undemocratic’ Jewish strategy of “dynamic silence” as Hunter has written about here. Eventually though, the rise of an American pro-White Caesar will prove unavoidable, and his rise will shatter the Jewish control of the mass-media and the monetary printing-presses.

38. on 29 Nov 2009 at 10:42 pm38NeoNietzsche

    

    Third paragraph, above, should be italicized.

39. on 29 Nov 2009 at 10:42 pm39White Non-Conservative

    

    The fact that WNs are even *discussing* costume clowns and the like is rather disheartening. I think that the historical record is very clear, if there are no weirdos in costumes associated with White Nationalism, ZOG will create them (Frank Collin, Hal Turner, etc.)

    the typical White Nationalist is now a middle class, white male professional unaffiliated with any organization.

    Now we’re getting somewhere. What issues matter to these folks? Black crime? Probably not, they moved away from the blacks already. Illegal Mexican immigration? No, they clean their houses. Black crime and mestizo immigration matter to working class whites, not the professionals. What matters to white professionals? H1B visas, Asian and Indian immigration, outsourcing jobs, etc. Now put the middle class Whites and the working class Whites together and what does it lead to? Anti-immigration. That’s the only mainstream racial issue available at the moment.

    Ask yourself why they are not affiliated with any organization - it’s not just that they are not affiliated with any WN organizations, they aren’t members of *any* organization at all. There aren’t any organizations left - no Elks clubs, no social clubs, no Masons, no fraternities of any size or relevance. (Well, there are the Jew-free churches, a great place for Whites with families at least).

    All the White social institutions died when the Jew-Tube came to dominate White people’s living rooms, in the 1960s (coincidence?) You need social organizations that are NOT primarily political in nature to have a viable community, and you can’t build a political organization outside of these institutions.

    The last implicitly White political movement in the US was the religious right of the 1970s and 1980s. Ultimately a waste since all they did was elect Reagan Republicans, but notice how they did it. They organized through their non-political churches and took over schools boards and local governments first and worked their way up. Their leadership actually had followers, because the movement was based in a non-political social institution.

    On Jews: someone here I think posted that the public strategy should be to put your arm around that Jew, smile for the camera and say “we love Jews, we support Israel) and leave it at that.

    But off-camera the JQ can’t be ignored. White people don’t care about the holocaust certainly, but they’d be offended that Europeans were being put in jail for writing books about it. Even Jew Communist Noam Chomsky supports free speech for holocaust revisionists. I bet a lot of those middle class professional Whites are disgusted by the constant Hollywood promotion of black-white intermarriage and 99.99% of them would never let their daughter marry a black. Do they know Jews are promoting this (for us, not them?) If not they need to be educated on it. Do they know it’s the Jew organizations that are pushing race-replacement? They need to know. Do they know it’s Jews sending their kids to die half way around the world - actually, YES they do, a lot of them.

    Instead of “naming the Jew” maybe just concentrate on “naming Jews” - repeat after me, Paul Wolfowitz, Leslie “Wolf” Blitzer, Rahm Emmanuel.

    As for bypassing the Jew media, we have blogs and websites, good so far. Why isn’t Craig Bodeker getting money and support from WNs? His documentary is the best pro-White media in the Obama era so far. Have you shown that documentary to your friends yet? With the internet and cheap technology it’s virtually free to make and distribute video, and that will appeal to the fat-asses sitting on their couch at least. We need more video, movies, documentaries, etc.

    Here’s an idea, buy a small building and open up a private club, - members only, membership by invitation only, and don’t advertise. Get a liquor license and a big screen TV. Invite all the prettiest young White women to a dance party, the men will follow. Make it exclusive so that all the White women want to go and it enhances their social status that they are invited. Have a twice monthly boy’s night to watch football and drink beer.

    As Whites rediscover how nice it is to be in White social organizations they will look around and notice; implicit Whiteness can now become explicit. When a pro-White White decides to run for local alderman the word goes out to the members that this is “our guy” and the money and votes follow. When you find a local pro-White White business, get your members to patronize them. Get the boys to join you at the shooting range and organize a hunting trip every summer. Provide a safe, Whites only club where White women can dance and be sexy without having some ape trying to freak her, or waiting until she leaves the nightclub drunk to rape her. Invite the local cop with the barely-concealed pro-White opinions.

    These types of social clubs used to be *the* White American society, along with the churches.

40. on 29 Nov 2009 at 11:29 pm40Kasimir Petrenkov

    

    That is the essence of racialism. If we were all the same then why would we care?

    OK, but the simple fact is still that phenotype is phenotype. There are plenty of blond, Anglo-Saxon whigger degenerates. It’s not like the appearance alone is the criterion for anything, certainly not intelligence or character - and I think you know that.

    When you talk of “subrace”, you’re referring to phenotype. But, a blond Anglo-Saxon and a brunette Anglo-Saxon will be closer genetically to each other than the former is to a blond Dane, Swede or Russian.

    Anyway, I just wanted to point it out. It isn’t worth going back and forth about.

41. on 29 Nov 2009 at 11:32 pm41White Preservationist

    

    WNC:”All the White social institutions died when the Jew-Tube came to dominate White people’s living rooms, in the 1960s (coincidence?)”

    That is a very important point WNC, thank you for stating it.

    The Jewish dominated mass-media in the USA, whether Hollywood movies or cable-TV (’talmudvision’), is one of the main causes which has lead to White dispossession in America. By tuning in to this Jew-produced trash TV every day, American Whites are basically inviting anti-White Jewry in to their living rooms wherein they inculcate Whites with disgusting pro-Jewish values like hyper-consumerism, racial blindness, race-mixing, White guilt, internationalism/cosmopolitanism, far-leftism, anti-Christianity (and anti-religion in general), anti-White misandry, and so on.

    Subjecting White children and teenagers to this Jew-produced trash TV every day ought to be considered a form of child abuse in my opinion.

    Luckily the rise of the internet is helping to lessen the grip which talmudvision has over White American culture. Very many younger Whites spend much more time surfing the web (reading and researching) than watching terriblevision.

42. on 30 Nov 2009 at 12:10 am42The Admiral

    

    Kemp, a “conservative”? Hardly.

    The relative success of the BNP and other nationalist parties in Europe is proof that Kemp’s strategy is a winner; or, at least, a step in the right direction. And whatever else you want to call it, it is not “conservatism,” as a typical American would understand it. It contains far more potential for American WNs, IMO, than the route taken by the conspiracy nutjobs and constume clowns who have dominated the “movement” thus far.

    Is there a middle way between the broken-record Jewish obsessions of the Linderites, and the Jewish arse-licking approach of FB? That’s what I’d like to find out. I don’t see why this is an “either, or” situation. As I said before, I would like to see a dual approach: (1) a mainstream White political organization that would help influence the national discourse on racial issues and address White interests, and (2) a network of non-affiliated hardcore activist groups in which the JQ can be discussed.

    @ Trainspotter ~ Do you have a blog?

43. on 30 Nov 2009 at 12:56 am43Mark

    

    “-NN, your comment is like something I would read from an anti-racist.
    -No it isn’t”

    It is. It’s often pointed out that a lot of whites are stupid, poor, criminals etc.

    You can actually see a similar tactic used by a black woman from Jared Taylor’s appearance on the Queen Latifah Show.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY3Z0XYuSog

    “One can not utilize the rhetoric of “superiority” when it is demonstrably false is his point.”

    Comparing a white psychopath to a successful black man is not demonstrating that whites are not superior to blacks.

    “Thomas Sowell is committed to laissez faire capitalism and isn’t a communist in any way, shape or form.”

    He’s a former Marxist, and doesn’t believe in inherent racial differences. He blames environmental factors, such as Southern culture for black dysfunction.

    “However, Dahmer’s IQ was not the point. In fact, having a higher IQ doesn’t make you “superior” to somebody. This simple fact has been NN’s main thrust for quite some time now. His point is, little Jefferey was inferior to Thomas Sowell and the truth is, he was. I’d rather live in a neighborhood of Sowells than Dahmers despite my beliefs about race.”

    It’s not a relevant comparison, Dahmer was a serial killer.

    Would you rather live in an upper middle-class black neighborhood or a working-class white neighborhood?

44. on 30 Nov 2009 at 1:06 am44Mark

    

    Arthur Kemp may be conservative on the JQ, but some would call him an extremist for his Nordicism.

45. on 30 Nov 2009 at 1:07 am45danielj

    

    Comparing a white psychopath to a successful black man is not demonstrating that whites are not superior to blacks.

    I know that. It was a specific case brother. But, NN’s general thrust is it is obvious that we WN’s aren’t superior since we don’t “dominate.”

    He’s a former Marxist, and doesn’t believe in inherent racial differences. He blames environmental factors, such as Southern culture for black dysfunction.

    I’m sorry. I thought you said he was a Marxist. Yes, I’m well aware of his advocacy of cultural factors. I think it was thoroughly explained in his last book that modern black dysfunction is rooted in Southern folkways that blacks have held on to. He asserts that most cultures that immigrate (how this applies to blacks I’m not sure - I suppose since they were uprooted during the transatlantic slave trade they count as “immigrants” in a general sense) maintain a fierce devotion to the culture they left and that this devotion persists even after the homeland has changed drastically its own culture.

    Despite my belief that our differences are ultimately rooted in nature, I believe a large degree of the dysfunction can be explained by the ridiculous nigger culture.

    It’s not a relevant comparison, Dahmer was a serial killer.

    Would you rather live in an upper middle-class black neighborhood or a working-class white neighborhood?

    Shit, I’d even take poor whites. West Virginia has an extremely low crime rate and lots of poverty. Still, I do enjoy the culture in most liberal big cities. I like independent cinema, independent book stores where authors give readings and Q&A, ethnic food, etc. However, when it comes down to it, it is poor white folk that I identify with. They feel me with compassion where blacks (as my sojourn in Oakland helped me realize) fill me with revulsion and a posture of self-defense.

    So, I’ll sink with poor whites before I float with rich blacks.

46. on 30 Nov 2009 at 1:09 am46danielj

    

    Obviously, that should read: they fill me with a sense of compassion

47. on 30 Nov 2009 at 1:12 am47danielj

    

    Arthur Kemp may be conservative on the JQ, but some would call him an extremist for his Nordicism.

    I would if he is a Nordicist. I’m opposed to Nordicism in America. Full stop. I’ll fight it tooth and nail. That said, I’d prefer the country remain majority Nordic, but I believe Sunic made valid points in his latest essay. The recombination of the Alpine, Med and Nordic makes for the most healthy and vibrant culture.

    I feel the English here have already been dispossessed so we are no doing no great moral wrong to allow rational and compatible immigration to America. It should be a White Zion for “superior” whites who can credibly demonstrate their worth and not some second or third Nordic homeland. They already have their own homelands.

48. on 30 Nov 2009 at 2:37 am48Nonplussed

    

    Kemp’s critique of anti-Semitism and conspiracy thinking is nothing but an exercise in incinerating straw men–the same straw men that our enemies trot out.

    Freshly reinvented as the voice of reason and moderation, Kemp installs himself as the arbiter of White Nationalist seriousness and begins by denouncing everyone who is now to his right. This is the behavior of a saboteur, not someone who is working constructively to advance our cause.

    Even his accent seems to have changed.

    I just don’t trust this guy.

49. on 30 Nov 2009 at 2:47 am49Greg Johnson

    

    A constructive attitude toward the existing movement is to build an alternative real-world organization that actually works. That alone will attract all the worthwhile followers of failed strategies.

    So far Kemp has done nothing but (1) talk about his new and improved approach and (2) launch flaming arrows into the camps of people who are supposedly on his side and who are potential allies and supporters.

    Why does Kemp prioritize attacking and denigrating existing approaches (or rather SPLC-type caricatures of existing approaches) over actually building his better alternative in the real world?

50. on 30 Nov 2009 at 2:56 am50The Admiral

    

    I can’t believe the vitriol directed at Kemp here. It’s getting tiring. Kemp and fellow English nationalists already have a better alternative in the real world. It’s called the BNP.

    Kemp is not a US politician, so what he can do in this realm is rather limited. The most he can do is offer a diagnosis and possible treatments. Still, I believe he has offered to come to the US, along with Simon Darby, to help train WNs. The rest is up to us.

    I think the better question to ask is, why do racialist whites here prefer to tap away at their keyboards instead of engaging in practical activities aimed at building some kind of organization–ANY kind of organization–in the real world?

51. on 30 Nov 2009 at 2:59 am51danielj

    

    I think the better question to ask is, why do racialist whites here prefer to tap away at their keyboards instead of engaging in practical activities aimed at building some kind of organization–ANY kind of organization–in the real world?

    I’ve got a few real life contacts. I’ll met up with anybody, anytime, anywhere. I make plenty of money for plane tickets or to host between 3-5 at my apartment.

    I’m in New England, but I’ll be in Southern California next Friday for a test/interview if anybody wants to “organize.”

52. on 30 Nov 2009 at 2:59 am52Hunter Wallace

    

    Admiral,

    What do you mean by relative success? The BNP has a handful of seats. They haven’t changed anything in Britain.

53. on 30 Nov 2009 at 3:01 am53Hunter Wallace

    

    It is a fundamental difference in strategy: do we bend to public opinion on race, engage in “practical politics,” or do we try to change the culture?

54. on 30 Nov 2009 at 3:07 am54Hunter Wallace

    

    In Britain, the BNP is the equivilant of the caboose on the political train. Is that what we want to be here?

55. on 30 Nov 2009 at 3:15 am55The Admiral

    

    @ HW ~ The BNP have drop-kicked the issues of race, Islam, and immigration into national debate, have forced the power elites to show their authoritarian hand, and are enjoying growing popular support from the voting public (if polls are anything to go by). I would say that’s progress. Whether it turns into full-on revolution that effects fundamental change at the policy, political, and cultural levels–well, it’s probably too early to tell. But it’s a start.

    It is a fundamental difference in strategy: do we bend to public opinion on race, engage in “practical politics,” or do we try to change the culture?

    Great question. My answer would be: we do both. Engage in practical politics, if only through a EUPAC-type organization, run candidates, influence existing politicians, and show White voters that white advocacy is entirely legitimate (”raising white racial consciousness”). But also, continue to run influential websites (such as OD), blogs, webmags, journals, to shape the national discourse on race and immigration and therefore the culture; and form local and regional network of WN activists, which, as you and Greg know, is already being done as we speak.

    @ danielj ~ Where in SoCal?

56. on 30 Nov 2009 at 3:19 am56danielj

    

    I’m flying into LAX brother. I’m only going to be around Friday and Saturday morning but I don’t mind staying up late or all night if the conversation is worth it.

    I’ve got friends in Santa Barbara, Chino, Ontario, Diamond Bar, Irivine and most of the O.C. Also, my mom lives San Juan so I’ve got people down thataway too.

57. on 30 Nov 2009 at 3:20 am57The Admiral

    

    SJC? I’m nearby. Let me know.

58. on 30 Nov 2009 at 3:20 am58Z

    

    “Arthur Kemp may be conservative on the JQ, but some would call him an extremist for his Nordicism.”
    __

    Do any of you all know if Richard McCulloch takes a similar, ‘CONservative’ approach in respect to the JQ?

    (I already know his absurd position on Nordicism, or, as he refers to it, ‘Nordishness’.)

59. on 30 Nov 2009 at 3:25 am59Mark

    

    I haven’t heard much about Richard McCulloch. Does he have a blog or something current other than The Racial Compact site?

60. on 30 Nov 2009 at 3:43 am60danielj

    

    SJC? I’m nearby. Let me know.

    Yerp.

    You gotta Facebook? “Friend” me if you do. My cell number is on my page. If not, email me and I’ll give you my cell number.

61. on 30 Nov 2009 at 5:20 am61Z

    

    “I haven’t heard much about Richard McCulloch. Does he have a blog or something current other than The Racial Compact site?”
    __

    No, I think the Racial Compact is all the deluded guy has at the moment, Mark.

    Anyone else know of McCulloch’s position on Jews?

62. on 30 Nov 2009 at 6:11 am62Nonplussed

    

    The predictable result of the newly reinvented Arthur Kemp lighting the way for us benighted racialists:

    http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=659959&page=2&highlight=arthur+kemp

    Predictable and intentional.

    Does Arthur Kemp do the work of our enemies because they have him in their pay, or does he just have some sort of personality disorder?

63. on 30 Nov 2009 at 6:47 am63Hunter Wallace

    

    Nothing has changed in Britain. If anything is true, the situation has gotten worse. Non-White immigrants are still flooding in. Multiculturalism and PC are stronger than ever before. In the midst of this, the BNP has watered down its platform even further; first it was letting Jews become members, now it is surrendering the racial basis of membership.

64. on 30 Nov 2009 at 6:55 am64Hunter Wallace

    

    The BNP reminds me of the GOP.

    1.) They are committed to winning elections, not changing the culture.

    2.) In order to do this, they have watered down racialism to become politically palatable.

    3.) These concessions have allowed the British mainstream to move to the Left.

    4.) The only thing they have accomplished is purging the White Wing in the UK.

    5.) They make huge promises, but haven’t delivered any change.

    6.) They have allowed Jews and non-Whites to join the party.

65. on 30 Nov 2009 at 6:57 am65Hunter Wallace

    

    The BNP denies being White Nationalist. They don’t use the term “White” either. They are a nativist party for indigenous Britons.

66. on 30 Nov 2009 at 11:34 am66Dasein

    

    The biggest problem in the US is that it does not have a large minority group that Jews feel threatened by. It’s much easier to get started in Europe. In the US, you can’t get a foothold. Kemp’s advice is useless.

67. on 30 Nov 2009 at 12:06 pm67Wikitopian

    

    The great thing about being an ideologue is that you can have it both ways. You can have your social respectability and your ideological purity. You can get all high-’n-mighty at the “costume clowns” for lacking respectability and you can get all high-’n-mighty at the BNP and samesuch “conservatives” for failing to maintain your rigorous standards of ideological excellence. Anonymous blognoscenti need the “costume clowns” more than the costume clowns need them.

    I’ll take an activist with a past over a blogger with a future any day.

    The problem with the WN movement isn’t that it lacks respectability. Our opponents have hijacked the institutions that grant respectability, which means that there will never be a respectable way to defend our interests. This sea of “respectables” aren’t the solution, they’re the problem. They’ll remain so until some future date after which we’ve already assumed the risks and assured the victories. At that point, they’ll find it expedient to rush forward to claim the prizes and credit. That’s what respectable people do.

68. on 30 Nov 2009 at 12:46 pm68Dasein

    

    “5.) They make huge promises, but haven’t delivered any change.”

    I think it’s too early to make this criticism of them. The key to any of these parties in Europe is their stand on repatriation once elected. There’s reason to question whether the BNP, or any other party, will actually implement this. But I think it only really has a chance in Europe, where it has Jew cover. Without repatriation, many Western countries are finished. It’s a race against time. Some of Kemp’s suggestions were ok (e.g. White advocacy groups), but I’m not sure there’s enough time to gain sufficient traction in the US to prevent a disaster. Which isn’t necessarily all bad, if it leads to a White ethnostate somewhere on the continent.

69. on 30 Nov 2009 at 1:51 pm69Donald

    

    (1) Political parties win elections. People who want to change culture publish books, songs, movies, etc. Anyway, I would argue that the organization of a nationalist-nativist party is, in fact, an effort to change culture.

    (2) Realpolitik.

    (3) The British mainstream was moving left long before Griffin took over the BNP and made it politically viable.

    (4) What has the BNP purged exactly? The Nazis? The costume clowns? Holocaust deniers? Is that such a big loss?

    (5) The BNP has a handfull of MEP and councilor seats (AFAIK). They’re not in a position to deliver change. You made the same criticism of Wilders, who has essentially no power. You need to get off this. Judge them when they are in a position to make such changes.

    (6) The BNP allowing Jews into the party is one of the most over dramatized details. The vast majority of Jews are opposed to the BNP and will not join it if not outright campaign against it. The few that join are minor and irrelevant people. Why make such a fuss over it?

70. on 30 Nov 2009 at 2:04 pm70NeoNietzsche

    

    Comparing a white psychopath to a successful black man is not demonstrating that whites are not superior to blacks.

    Of course. But you are suggesting, with the following statement and with your attitude reflected in your remarks to danielj that one’s race confers *personal*, *individual* superiority, in a fashion yet to be explained as other than imaginative projection by the bigoted mind (which projection may nevertheless have its virtues):

    Racially, being a blond Anglo-Saxon type [Giles], he’s probably superior to the majority of the people here.

    You still have not clarified your position on this point. [And, again, I have no personal agenda in addressing this matter - I probably have more good old noble barbarian blood than does Giles.]

71. on 30 Nov 2009 at 2:09 pm71The Admiral

    

    Does Arthur Kemp do the work of our enemies because they have him in their pay, or does he just have some sort of personality disorder?

    I think it’s fair to ask, are those who oppose Kemp’s suggestions– out of a fondness for or dedication to conspiracy theories, nazi costume fetishes, or personal fantasy role-playing–in the pay of the Jews? Is it their intention to render WNism totally repulsive and unelectable, forever? I think we need to examine the possibility.

72. on 30 Nov 2009 at 2:17 pm72The Admiral

    

    Nothing has changed in Britain. If anything is true, the situation has gotten worse. Non-White immigrants are still flooding in. Multiculturalism and PC are stronger than ever before. In the midst of this, the BNP has watered down its platform even further; first it was letting Jews become members, now it is surrendering the racial basis of membership.

    They only just got into power! They’ve only just acquired some seats! Be patient, give them time. The momentum is moving in our direction. They party has improved a great deal since I was active with them in the late 1990s-early 2000s. And, as you know, the BNP have been forced to modify their membership criteria and platform, by law.

    The BNP denies being White Nationalist. They don’t use the term “White” either. They are a nativist party for indigenous Britons.

    The BNP are nationalist. They claim to represent the interests of Britons, the indigenous population, which is White. So by default, by our standards they are “white nationalist.” In the US, as you know, the situation is different and the term “white nationalist” (though imperfect) is more apt.

73. on 30 Nov 2009 at 2:34 pm73NeoNietzsche

    

    The great thing about being an ideologue is that you can have it both ways. You can have your social respectability and your ideological purity. You can get all high-’n-mighty at the “costume clowns” for lacking respectability and you can get all high-’n-mighty at the BNP and samesuch “conservatives” for failing to maintain your rigorous standards of ideological excellence. Anonymous blognoscenti need the “costume clowns” more than the costume clowns need them.

    Nicely stated.

    The “costume clowns,” amongst whom I was once numbered, graphically demonstrate, therewith, that they have a more profound grasp of the circumstance - questions of personal courage and commitment aside - than do les bourgeois gentilshomme. (Our Trainspotter comes to mind as the exemplar of the latter type.)

    As the youthful genius, Marshall Lentini, eloquently summarized the case:

    “I behold the progressive enslavement and self-oblivion of white races and see the intractable pitiless march of history, where you see a kind of leisurely stroll that can be directed anywhere with enough preaching.”

    And, as examined in the Post at “superhuman,” those without costume suffer from the following misconception of our context:

    “…there is an etiology and a point of infection, and that, for the moment, although the infection is far advanced, it can still be successfully treated: the pathogens — liberal utopians, corrupt careerists, ethnic radicals — are known and localized,…” (Alex Kurtagic)

    I [NN] wish that I could acquiesce in this cheerful assessment and prospect.

    Unfortunately for our remnant of relatively healthy cells in the global body politic, “liberalism,” in numerous variants of the ideology of the historic “middle class”/”bourgeoisie,” is shot through and across the entire political spectrum - Classical Liberalism/Libertarianism at the Radical Right extreme, and Marxist/Gramscian/Frankfurt “Enlightenment”- style modern Liberalism on the Left. All of it coming full circle and meeting in state-withering Anarchism, the slave and criminal’s delight. As Nietzsche pointed out: it’s all the same - it’s all Beatitudinal Christianity in various guises - it’s all slave morality. And the right-wing version spreads around the world like a cancerous tumor that the radical left-wing wants, ultimately, to irradiate with nuclear weapons.

    Thus, no cause for optimism here. Slaves are understandably incapable of anything but the urgent desire for “freedom,” “liberty,” and “equality” - the latter delusion variously formulated from end to end of the spectrum. From Libertarian quasi-anarchism to Marxist crypto-anarchism.

    Where this slavish premise is shared implicitly by the journalistic appeal to predominantly middle-class readers, who are regaled with accounts of enormities that threaten their self-concerned, individualistic lives (to which they merely wish to return after restoration to the (unrealizable) status quo ante of some prior, more or less remote, period), there is no hope for any but a future circumstance that is, or invites immediate repetition of, the present declension.

    So - how to make masters out of slaves? Masters with which one cannot dispense, in one variety or another - the Jew and/or the German, priest and/or noble - since liberalism, of whatever variety, leads (in the inescapable logic and history of political-economy) to a “restoration” of mastery - mastery presently held exclusively by the Master of the Lie, in the absence of the Master of Violence, for whom the Master of Money does not stand in without indispensable support from, and eventual displacement by, the alien international Liar.

    Perhaps one cannot achieve this miraculous transformation in this latter-day world, as is my own prognosis after many years of tolerantly investigating the various feces-flinging monkey houses on the so-called Right. In any case, until the mind-set of such representative occupants is abandoned amidst personal catastrophe and our cause offers an explicit remedy that nevertheless affronts the premises of the previous philosophy of the victims, the alternative constant journalistic discussion of newsworthy enormities merely retards the reader by reinforcing the bourgeois-liberal tsk-tsking mind-set of the “unfairness” or “hypocrisy” of the events and a mere desire to medicate the “localized” infection and thus to be allowed to return to business as usual.

    The suspicion is aroused, indeed, that this is the foolish intention of the purveyors of such journalism - they likewise of the middle class who have found the present dispensation one which they could more or less comfortably accommodate all life long - but for the presence of repellent minorities, whose absence they would not long enjoy, for failure to understand that their own politico-economic and cultural premises are complicit in the difficulty (as evidenced in the repeated rhetorical reference, even amongst ourselves in public, to none but the cultural (artistic/scientific) achievements of the race, as if we pathetically beg to be preserved by our masters as an endangered species and that we are otherwise defenseless for lack of political inspiration from the pertinent past).

    But, again, you will say, there are none but the middle class here, in quantity. It is we and they, you will say, to whom we must speak - on our and on their terms. I say, that on their and on your terms, one’s cause is self-defeating, as is evidenced by its evolution from supremacism to separatism to secessionism - running away to a self-imposed outdoor concentration camp that will greatly facilitate the extermination of what’s left of the “race” in its own pitiful Vilcabamban “Reich”.

    And of course, if one continues to confront the enemy in suit-and-tie, the enemy’s “framing” of the circumstance as essentially normal will remain undisturbed, as will his dominance of the political economy and the regnant culture.

74. on 30 Nov 2009 at 3:07 pm74Wikitopian

    

    My mind travels back to a recent incident, one in which a beautiful young woman with long and flowing blond hair held off a mob of dozens of masked rioters with weapons. She protected the elderly historian despite being ridiculed and slandered in major newspapers, despite being chased down and sprayed with pepper spray, and despite being endangered by idiotic clowns within the movement.

    Then my mind travels to grown men who refrain from joining her because they fear for their reputations, their jobs, and their comfort. If I do suffer from this “Hate ™” that Mr. Foxman speaks of, it’s not for Jews, Mexicans, or Blacks. It’s for smirky, “respectable” White men who are aware of the situation yet bask in the warm glow of liquid crystals and exchange witticisms while our young women and our elderly intellectuals fend for themselves against the incited mobs.

75. on 30 Nov 2009 at 3:17 pm75NeoNietzsche

    

    I think it’s fair to ask, are those who oppose Kemp’s suggestions– out of a fondness for or dedication to conspiracy theories, nazi costume fetishes, or personal fantasy role-playing–in the pay of the Jews? Is it their intention to render WNism totally repulsive and unelectable, forever? I think we need to examine the possibility.

    Indeed.

    However, consider first, that whatever their intention, rendering WNism “unelectable” is of little consequence, since no cause can vote itself into power in displacement of the agenda of the regnant oligarchy.

    And it is evident that only national catastrophe will disrupt the present regime, and having distinguished oneself from that regime will be to the credit of those who have done so, in that event.

    The real question then will be as to the *quality* of the costume clowns, in terms of intellect and organizational ability, once the disaster is upon us, and their provident and public opposition to its authors leads others to join them.

    I would agree, however, with a negative assessment such as Trainspotter would generously provide. Which leaves us with resort to the established armed forces for any hope of survival.

76. on 30 Nov 2009 at 5:00 pm76Mark

    

    “But you are suggesting, with the following statement and with your attitude reflected in your remarks to danielj that one’s race confers *personal*, *individual* superiority, in a fashion yet to be explained as other than imaginative projection by the bigoted mind”

    It is no more bigoted or false than suggesting that whites are superior to blacks. Of course we’re talking about a lot of variables, statistics, etc. Purely on aesthetic grounds, I believe that the Nordic or Northern European is superior. You and others may protest, likewise non-whites may protest that whites are not more attractive than non-whites. Then we can go on to behavior, IQ, crime, civilization, etc.

    If you are suggesting that we do not discriminate based at least partly on race and ancestry then that’s sounds like the modern conservative movement.

77. on 30 Nov 2009 at 5:13 pm77Mark

    

    65Hunter Wallace

    The BNP denies being White Nationalist. They don’t use the term “White” either. They are a nativist party for indigenous Britons.

    In their constitution they do:

    SECTION 1: POLITICAL OBJECTIVES
    2) The political objectives of the party are set out in the following Statement of Principles:
    (b) The British National Party stands for the preservation of the national and ethnic character of the British people and is wholly opposed to any form of racial integration between British and non-European peoples. It is therefore committed to stemming and reversing the tide of non-white immigration and to restoring, by legal changes, negotiation and consent, the overwhelmingly white makeup of the British population that existed in Britain prior to 1948.

78. on 30 Nov 2009 at 5:32 pm78NeoNietzsche

    

    It is no more bigoted or false than suggesting that whites are superior to blacks.

    *All* whites as opposed to *all* blacks? And by what standard?

    Yes, one can speak correctly of comparative averages - but it is, indeed, “bigoted or false” - and “stupid” - to make blanket statements as to the relative character of every example of a population as opposed to another (which is what seemingly is being suggested about the putative individual racial superiority of Giles).

    Yes, Giles may well be a member of a racial sub-type that is above average in important respects, and, as part of a breeding community, would tend to reproduce above-average descendants.

    But the question then is what is being imputed to Giles when it is said of him that he, personally, is “racially superior”. I suspect that more than the foregoing is involved in that imputation.

    That’s why I’ve asked for a clarification.

79. on 30 Nov 2009 at 5:59 pm79NeoNietzsche

    

    If you are suggesting that we do not discriminate based at least partly on race and ancestry then that sounds like the modern conservative movement.

    That is not my suggestion. I am not proposing a “movement” for which persons must be discriminately examined for membership. I propose the education of *everyone* as to their peril, with particular emphasis upon bringing the military up to speed .

80. on 30 Nov 2009 at 6:01 pm80Kasimir Petrenkov

    

    Purely on aesthetic grounds, I believe that the Nordic or Northern European is superior. - Mark

    Yes, I think we all do. However, what you call Nordics, I call Aryans. At one time in recorded history all of Europe resemble “Nordics.” The ancient Romans, Greeks, Hittites, Sarmatians and Indo-Aryans displayed the same blond or redhead traits as do modern “Nordics.” The swarthy skinned Southern Euros are so because of admixture from Jews and Moors (in Spain), Negroes (Portugal), Syrians & Berber-Hamites (southern Italy), Arabs & others (Greece), etc.

    There is no population of Euros which is wholly blond or redhead because those traits are relatively recent evolutionary traits which originated in Western Eurasia and spread with the expansions of Aryans thousands of years ago. Prior to their spreading ~6000 years ago, the white-skinned peoples were uniformly dark-haired and dark-eyed. These are ancestral traits in Aryan populations and are not indicators of “racial otherness.” Deal with it.

81. on 30 Nov 2009 at 8:06 pm81Mark

    

    I didn’t know you were such a Nordicist, Kasimir.

    I don’t go as far as you to claim that all Southern Euros are mixed, though some are, and certainly their level of non-European admixture is higher just from proximity to them.

    I also don’t claim that all civilization comes from Nordics, as Kemp does.

82. on 30 Nov 2009 at 8:09 pm82Mark

    

    “*All* whites as opposed to *all* blacks? And by what standard?”

    The ability to reproduce their respective kind. In that case every single individual is superior.

    Part of my defense of Mr. Giles was because the mob was after him. Personally I dislike that mentality.

83. on 30 Nov 2009 at 9:10 pm83Matt

    

    This is an important interview because it opens up an important issue: do we want truth or results? They don’t seem to go too well together. Noone can deny that the BNP has done very well indeed but if the price to achieve this requires going so far as to swallow the official 9/11 yarn hook, line and sinker, then I have to ask myself if, at the end of the day, there won’t be a hefty price to pay. Pandering to the Jews as the BNP is currently doing is, in my opinion maybe good politics, but still tantamount to making (or trying to make) a pact with Lucifer himself. Are we really going to outwit them? My gut feeling is NO.
    Next time round I’d like to hear what Kemp has to say about the BNP’s standing on the central banking system - what I consider the very heart of the beast.

84. on 30 Nov 2009 at 9:33 pm84Hunter Wallace

    

    Be patient. Give them some time. Where have we heard that before?

85. on 30 Nov 2009 at 9:35 pm85Hunter Wallace

    

    See the Lee John Barnes thread.

86. on 30 Nov 2009 at 9:51 pm86Hunter Wallace

    

    Guy White admits that I don’t endorse any of these more absurd conspiracy theories floating around on the far right. I’m not a fan of Neo-Nazis either. See my posts on the NSM. If all these people and their material disappeared, I agree we would be better off, but not by much.

    I’m very skeptical of anything that smacks of conservatism or the GOP. That’s what Kemp is trying to push here: an electoral path to victory through “practical politics” (read: watering down racialism). The GOP also has a naive faith in winning elections. If we followed Kemp’s advice, we wouldn’t achieve a fraction of their success with an explicitly white political platform, and with all their success they failed to change the culture.

87. on 30 Nov 2009 at 9:56 pm87Hunter Wallace

    

    Look at the way the path was cleared for Obama. The bastard of a failed interracial marriage could never have won Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, and Indiana fifty years ago. It was simply unthinkable. Now his election is the symbol of all the “progress” we have made.

88. on 30 Nov 2009 at 11:29 pm88NeoNietzsche

    

    “*All* whites as opposed to *all* blacks? And by what standard?”

    The ability to reproduce their respective kind. In that case every single individual is superior.

    As is true of all blacks, in their “ability to reproduce their respective kind”. So I would guess that you’re just pulling my leg now with a smile, but for my suspicion that you’re not.

89. on 01 Dec 2009 at 4:17 am89The Admiral

    

    I think it’s instructive to look at the Swiss example, where the Swiss People’s Party, by popular referendum, has just halted the contruction of Islamic minarets in the country. And not a member of the lunatic fringe to be seen.

90. on 01 Dec 2009 at 7:03 am90The Admiral

    

    “Surrender is essentially an operation by means of which we set out explaining instead of acting” ~ Charles Péguy

91. on 01 Dec 2009 at 8:22 am91Hunter Wallace

    

    Banning minarets is treating symptoms, not the disease.

92. on 01 Dec 2009 at 8:33 am92Dasein

    

    “Banning minarets is treating symptoms, not the disease.”

    It might provoke an over-reaction. The fact that these European parties are often strongly aligned with Jews and Israel is an added insult. Give them enough time and some hot-head will do something very stupid.

93. on 01 Dec 2009 at 8:40 am93Dasein

    

    Hunter, you seem to be very pessimistic about the possibility of a political solution in the US, as am I. I don’t think there’s enough time and repatriation will be a tough sell. I agree with you that we should be pushing cultural and political discourse to the right, but that also takes time. Could you, very briefly and with as little detail as you like, tell me how you see things playing out in NA, or point me to a post or comment where you’ve discussed this? Thanks

94. on 01 Dec 2009 at 2:57 pm94Armor

    

    “Banning minarets is treating symptoms, not the disease.”

    What disease? If most people say it isn’t desirable and natural for Europe to be covered in minarets, it is excellent news. The next step will be to send the immigrants back to Africa.
    For the moment, I enjoy hearing French journalists absurdly explain that everyone in Switzerland is appalled at the result of the referendum.

95. on 01 Dec 2009 at 3:18 pm95The Admiral

    

    I’m getting the impression that for people such as HW, nothing less than total revolution, the complete and utter eradication of all our enemies, is acceptable at this time. I would love to see that happen, but I don’t think we’re there yet. In the meantime some progress of another kind is being made, e.g. BNP, SVP, etc.

96. on 01 Dec 2009 at 3:22 pm96The Admiral

    

    In Switzerland, the culture is being changed and the discourse transformed, thanks, in large part, to a political organization such as the SVP. This has progressed to the point where the Swiss people actually vote against Islamic minarets in defiance of domestic and international opinion.

97. on 01 Dec 2009 at 4:48 pm97Tanstaafl

    

    Banning minarets is treating symptoms, not the disease.

    I disagree. My most recent blog post, Switzerland Minus Minarets, is about this ban.

    The disease is the idea, which produced its most fateful results during the Enlightenment in the service of emancipating jews, that Whites, and only Whites, must not “discriminate” against “minorities”. Since this meme took root it has been fed and twisted to genocidal proportions. Whites everywhere now live under a regime which subsidizes, supports, and even directly imposes “discrimination” against Whites, defending the interests of interloping aliens over the interests of the native-born citizenry.

    The banning of minarets by popular vote strikes only obliquely at this idea, but it is a blow against the disease itself. Organized jewry roundly condemns it for exactly this reason. “Liberal” feminists played a prominent part in the minaret ban, putting the lie to the corollary meme, pimped constantly by faux-White pro-jews and others, that “suicidal” White “liberalism” is to blame for all that ills us. Even “liberals”, it turns out, resist when their “suicide” becomes too blatant. The genocide is inflicted in the name of “liberal” “non-discrimination” in name but not in fact, and it is inflicted by “the international community” - which means the plutocrats, their media, their jet-setting cosmopolitan courtiers, jewish groups, muslim groups, and the treaonous costume clowns who serve their interests in their governments.

    “Treating symptoms” is more fairly applied to much of what conservatives do here in the US - for example, to their focus on the transfer of wealth via taxes or healthcare, never identifying who the wealth is transferred from or to; or to the “culture war”, never identifying who’s at war with whom.

98. on 01 Dec 2009 at 6:52 pm98Hunter Wallace

    

    Banning minarets and burqas is assimilationist. It reflects an underlying liberal cowardice; an unwillingness to take the salience of race and religion seriously.

99. on 01 Dec 2009 at 8:40 pm99Tanstaafl

    

    I can understand calling it assimilationist, or ineffectual. or naive. Or too little, too late. But cowardice? A coward is afraid to make even the slightest peep against his supposed “suicide”. The voters who passed this had to throw off a lifetime of guilt-tripping and brain-washing. They hardly know the half of what the “international community” has already done to them, and further intends for them. Only as they, and we, find out can any of us assess who the cowards are.

100. on 01 Dec 2009 at 10:05 pm100The Admiral

     

     Perhaps next time the Swiss will ban ,Islam. One can only hope.

101. on 02 Dec 2009 at 12:37 am101Switzerland Minus Minarets | The Occidental Quarterly

     

     [...] 2 Dec 2009: In a comment on Interview: Arthur Kemp, Hunter Wallace writes: Banning minarets is treating symptoms, not the [...]

102. on 02 Dec 2009 at 2:00 am102Hunter Wallace

     

     If they were Americanized like Harold and Kumar, the Swiss would be fine with their non-White immigrants.

103. on 02 Dec 2009 at 4:08 am103Kasimir Petrenkov

     

     I don’t go as far as you to claim that all Southern Euros are mixed, though some are, and certainly their level of non-European admixture is higher just from proximity to them. - Mark

     I should have clarified. I didn’t mean to suggest that all Southern Euros are mixed, but rather to point out which countries contain some admixture and where that admixture comes from. Obviously, there are white people in all of the countries I listed (hell, there are even white Turks, as I learned from traveling there), but it would be asinine to ignore that non-white blood has crept into southern Europe to a much greater degree than in the north.

104. on 02 Dec 2009 at 7:42 am104Grimoire

     

     enjoyed listening to the webcast and reading the comments posted. Thank you to everyone here. I much appreciate finally coming across some intelligent comments concerning the issue of cultural survival.

     I think kemp is approaching this from idea of what is workable, practical and has a chance of achieving results in the matter of the orderly, bourgeoisie method that has shown good effect in small business, the professions, municipal politics etc.

     Reminds one of the ‘organizational man’ concept of the 60’s. This is not without it’s merit.

     Perhaps he is correct. Although I highly value his input and contribution. I disagree with his prognosis for the national movement.

     In his comment concerning the issue of talmudic influence, he says ” show me one politician, dogcatcher, anyone….” concerning the utility of these issues in a political sense. HIs idea of the political sense is, business as usual. Work hard, save, keep your head down and one day you will be able to afford to repurchase your European derived American culture….. even if mortgaged to the hilt.

     Well, I would answer ‘Hitler’. Regardless of where you stand on him….he’s somewhat more than a dogcatcher or minor politician. He is the one European of the last three hundred years who stood for the homeland, the folk, of not just German, but European and European race and culture, (including American, Canadians, Australians.) etc.

     Of course you could say he failed, catastrophically. But in another sense he succeeded . For time, and rationality is beginning to vindicate his successes as well as failures.

     I’ll give Kemp his due, and look forward to hearing more on his ideas. However, unlike the BNP, i consider being the ‘organ grinder’, and not the ‘monkey’ to be the objective on the issue of my own country and culture.

105. on 02 Dec 2009 at 3:45 pm105Vanguardists vs. Mainstreamers | The Occidental Quarterly

     

     [...] wing. In recent weeks, Arthur Kemp has thrown gasoline on the fire and a debate has raged here and at other sites. Leonard Zeskind and Carol Swain have published books about White Nationalism [...]

106. on 02 Dec 2009 at 6:56 pm106Ellen

     

     Being a female admirer of the BNP and having listened to this website interview, and having also attended functions at which Mr Kemp was the main speaker, I largely agree with his general synopsises albeit, with a few reservations.

     Arthur’s strategy would take too long to multiply and bear results, and would be blocked at every turn by the numerous anti-White enemy forces around the world today.

     I further agree that America is, in reality, a multiracial continent but do NOT agree is a melting pot continent, (the melting pot description being a term derived by the Communist agenda to dilute and ultimately destroy White genetic, demographic and intellectual dominance both originally and currently Jewish-inspired. (I speak, incidently as a person of Jewish maternal origin myself who refuses to deny the heavy Jewish lead in the invention, propagation and establishing of, Marxism, Troyskyism and Bolshevism, AND its post war replacement ideology - multiculturalism).

     If we look down through the pages of history, the majority of European political instabilities and confrontations bear high significant input from that particular Semite identity. This fact and how its goals were accomplished cannot be ignored and MUST be publicised and driven home across the whole of the planet regardless of the consequences.

     Ethnic utilization and enablement of alien non-White races and their respective various creeds against the whole of White Christian-based civilization, arose because of them which can be proven.

     We know where the enablement of insitu non-White races and the accompanying mass non-White invasions post WW11, have led to and the purposes behind this agenda.

     In the case of Europe, the ancestral homelands of White nations, we cannot settle for separation because such a course of action would mean relinquishing huge swathes of OUR ancestral European homelands to the current and ongoing invader swarms of trespassing non-White alien races and creeds. This is NOT an option!

     It would be better to seek the physical destruction of the whole continent and her sister enclaves. This way, non-White invaders and their enablers would never realise their aims of massive land grab coupled with the enslavement and orchestrated gradual obliteration of the White genome, and the hijacking of White heritages, languages, histories, belief systems, cultures and achievement legacies. Yes, it would be the ultimate suicide on the part of White nations, but at least we’d be taking out all of our enemies with us.

     In the case of America, Canada, Australia and New Zealand as the prime non-ancestral homelands of European Whites, separation is the only option. Unfortunately, due to present day demographics this means conceding territory on these continents and/or in countries at least temporarily, to non-white invaders who have become embedded in them due to Semite involvement and traitorous White Marxist participation in said Semite involvement.

     White Europeans and their diaspora are being so systematically targeted and labelled with charges of being racist, Nazi, xenophobic, homophobic and so on, that the perpetrators of this repression and ultimately, stealth genocide must be held to account and made to pay - with their lives if necessary.

     Nothing else will suffice to punish their monstrous crimes against the White European races and their European diaspora.

     In my view, these crimes are on par with the Jewish Holocaust which the said Semites are at extreme pains to force us never to forget.

     Why?

     The Jewish Holocaust was politically engineered and executed by government design

     AND

     likewise, so is the present worldwide halocaust against the White races.

     The jeads of those guilty must roll for this current gigantic anti-White race hate based genocide agenda.

     The setting up of an international anti-White hate crime tribunal led by White organisations would be a start and should be initiated in association with every other political strategy for White justice and freedom, and soon.

107. on 02 Dec 2009 at 9:30 pm107Mark

     

     Ellen, it’s nice to read the female perspective here, other than Admiral.

     Being a person of Jewish ancestry you will fit right in, along with Scrooby and some others.

     I’m not sure what you mean by destroying Europe, that is not an option.

     I don’t accept that North America is a multiracial continent, South America maybe. The damage has already been done down there, so just ship our non-whites south.

     In Australia we can just ship them to the other islands already populated by their type.

     South Africa is a more difficult situation.

108. on 02 Dec 2009 at 11:33 pm108Denise

     

     Mark - Ellen is a Jew. If the mother is the Jew, the hatchling is a Jew. Ellen’s Jewishness is her deranged fantasy of White Europeans destroying themselves, a la “Sampson Option” scenario. It’s her genetic rage against Whites, that inspires such bloodlust. Sorry, Ellen. I think Whites should turn the tables on the Swarthy Hordes, and tip them off to the depradations and machinations OF the Jew. MY White Fantasy is to see Devil Jews rent and devoured by the Dark Hordes, piece by piece - and then witness Whites obliterate the Dark Hordes.

     How’s that for a “meme”?

     Oh - the never was a Jewish Holocaust - unless you mean the one the Jews perpetrated against Russian Christians. And Armenians.

     Now - on to the topic of my post - I’ve been reading through the comments. Do any of you fellows actually deal with non-Racialist Whites? Do any of you gents understand that most Whites don’t even kow that ARE White, and if they do acknowledge this fact, it’s not without whole-sale cringing, and hearlt-felt apologies?

     Most people live in ethnic enclaves. The Devil Jew’s strategy of appealing to White curiosity. generosity, and fairness is the most successful weapon they have used against us. MOST Whites believe that any crimes committed by non-Whites is the aberration, for Darkies, and not the norm.

     No matter whether we exist as Klan-robed Costume Nazis, or Men and Women in Gray Flannel Suits - the majority of Whites are NOT gonna Come to Stormfront until they have gotten HURT, again and again, by said Darkies. Not until they have lost everything, will they come to us.

     Wiki, above, noted that lovely young J defended DI - while Big Strong White Men were nowhere to be found. Those were, and are, the facts on the ground. Until any of you debaters put your gluteus maximi on the LINE - it’s worthless spew. So make your peace with the Vanguard. YOU need them, you repellent cowards, far more than they need YOU.

     Mainstreamers - as Hunter has brilliantly detailed - all you’ve done, for decades, is is yield ground to the Jew-owned Left. So CHOKE on your canapes, and cocktails, why don’t you? I name the Jew, and DEFEND the Nazis, TO Mainstream Whites all the time. I make a CASE for what I say. And the KIKE bank-robbing plunderers (don’t you DARE censor that word) in and around Wall Street, have aided me far more than any of you effete manicured pragmatist eunichs.

     So - you can continue to fight over whether or not that bought-and paid for Judas Kemp, the public voice of the British Neutered Pussies, and jump over the edge of the cliff he’s leading you to - or you can do something. I nthe real world . Here’s a task. Name the Jew to a random White, tomorrow. You are all so reasonable and polished and well-spoken. Name the Jew, Just make some passing, light remark, about how Jews have really screwed up ______ (fill in the blank with just about anything. There is almost nothing they haven’t destroyed - AND ALL OF YOU BLOODY WELL KNOW IT). Then walk away.

     Say it. Name it. Change the energy, and get the word out - you pathetic nattering nabobs of net nonsense. DO IT!

109. on 03 Dec 2009 at 12:49 am109Ellen

     

     Mark
     “I’m not sure what you mean by destroying Europe, that is not an option.”

     I wish it wasn’t! However, as non-nuclear methods of land-cleansing also exist, these may well have to be utilized since a reversal of the present death spiral of white nations wrought by our eternal enemy and own race traitors, is now unrealistic.

     Initial selective mass evacuation and relocation of indigenous Europeans, (the young, those of reproductive age and productive members of the middle-age section of the population) into white controlled set-aside territories outside Europe could be considered by the new up and coming elites of what is an ever-growing and increasingly unstoppable ethnoNationalist power broker base presently taking shape in Europe.

     “South Africa is a more difficult situation.”

     As regards White Europeans who’ve been domicile in South Africa for over three hundred years, their evacuation and relocation would be part of the same rescue plan as that for continental Europeans and the native inhabitants of all neighbouring enclaves.

     South Africa, like Zimbabwe, must be left to face whatever fate awaits it.

     They, the Blacks, raped, bombed and slaughtered Whites in their quest for racial and territorial independence so now they must accept the ominous consequences of future alien takover by more powerful and superior ethnicities.

110. on 03 Dec 2009 at 1:03 am110Friedrich Braun

     

     Ellen’s clarity of thought and grasp of the issues is unusual for a female. Can ask you your age, Ellen?

111. on 03 Dec 2009 at 1:53 am111uh

     

     Diese Mischlingen sind ach so fürchterlich.

112. on 03 Dec 2009 at 3:43 am112Denise

     

     Dear Moderator - you have not allowed my admittedly cranky post through - fair enough.

     Yet you allow Ellen the Jew to post completely ridiculous fantasies? Her Jewblood cannot resist concocting the most bizarre White removal fantasies.

     What gives?

113. on 03 Dec 2009 at 5:40 am113Hunter Wallace

     

     Denise,

     All new posters have to make an approved comment - go through through the troll filter - before they are allowed to post at will.

114. on 03 Dec 2009 at 6:27 am114Grimoire

     

     Die Wasserkocher wird gerührt

     Ellen
     Your concept seems to be counterproductive.The the Samson option you propose… is actually a Israeli nuclear war plan scenario proposed by one of their scholar/diplomats….this is their plan, not ours, not in any way. If you proposed we annihilate Israel with nuclear weapons, I would still not agree, but I would see some rational to it…and it would be more logical than your former idea.

     Retreating into american or european white only enclaves is the perfect receipe for eventual annihilation by asians.

     The idea of ‘white’ culture. is an impoverished concept that leads to a paupers future and inspires only those who are destitute. AngloSaxon, for those who are…. is at the bottom of it is neither accurate or not that much of a boast these days. White is our skin colour, not who we are. We are Europeans. This is our blood. This is our heritage. This is the golden heritage.
     This is what the the imagined descendants of Jacob wish to barter with us for, during the moment of duress, in exchange for a mess of pottage. As Jacob pawned Essau so long ago in their scripture.
     Is it a surprise that many leaders of the white nationalist movement have turned out to be cryptos?

     Denise:

     Jewish power right now is very much like the idea of the Lucifers power in the middle ages. It’s power seems enormous and intractable with tentacles everywhere. But it is not. It’s greatest trick is to convince us that it exists as an implacable mammoth, and that we are weak. But it is neither implacable nor mammoth. Nor are we weak. We are the ones who are strong and we are changing the future. They are the ones who are weak and hide in the shadows and deal in deceit and subterfuge.
     What you say is right. Say it, name it, change the energy.

     Your proposal of feeding the Jews to the dark skinned apes however, is on the same level as Ellen’s nuke Europe and ‘get it over with’. The time when it seems natural to go beserk, is exactly the wrong time. Kemp and whoever else, ‘debaters’, is in his own way, changing the energy, the same as you.
     For better or worse, we need to stand together.

115. on 04 Dec 2009 at 12:06 am115Ellen

     

     Friedrich Braun
     I’m in my late forties.

     That Denise person is a profound race hater and a total Hitlerite which she admits to being.

     I can well understand why one of her posts has been blocked. Never mind one post. All of them should have been.

     She’s totally out of order with her racist ad hominen attack upon my goodself and should be banned off this website unless she learns to conduct herself in an orderly manner like everyone else.

     If indigneous white peoples are not evacuated off the European continent at some point in the near future they will be be subjected both to protracted periods of enslavement and systematic ethnic cleansing by the Semites and their native self-loathing useful idiots, using the invader Third World browns and blacks as their exterminator armies. Is that what you want, you fool!

     My suggestion is for the fittest of them and the young to be relocated to pre-prepared safe havens of which there are several territories still belonging to white nations across the globe so that their European homeland can be cleansed of the multiple instances of Third World infestation, once and for all. I don’t see why native Europeans cannot then be returned to their respective ancestral homelands when they are deemed safe for habitation once again.

     Incidently, someone else on another forum which I happened to stumble upon some while ago, came up with a very similar solution to mine.

     Hunter, this is the first I’ve never heard of any Samson facility . News to me!

     Grimoire, I specifically referred to non-nuclear means, not nuclear.

116. on 04 Dec 2009 at 1:03 am116NeoNietzsche

     

     In the real world . Here’s a task. Name the Jew to a random White, tomorrow. You are all so reasonable and polished and well-spoken. Name the Jew, Just make some passing, light remark, about how Jews have really screwed up ______ (fill in the blank with just about anything. There is almost nothing they haven’t destroyed - AND ALL OF YOU BLOODY WELL KNOW IT). Then walk away.

     Say it. Name it. Change the energy, and get the word out - you pathetic nattering nabobs of net nonsense. DO IT! (”Denise”)

     My kind of woman.

     Another Good Idea:

     Can you imagine the effect on our negroid conspecifics, if, one fine day, every White Guy on the continent openly wore an automatic pistol in public (as I did for the past ten years)?

117. on 04 Dec 2009 at 1:13 am117NeoNietzsche

     

     For added effect, Guys, Condition One.

118. on 04 Dec 2009 at 2:21 am118NeoNietzsche

     

     @ Denise,

     One would hope that your bracing words might prompt our effete manicured pragmatist eunuchs into racially productive activity.

     However, you will need to be qualified as to your background and character before your counsel can be seriously considered by said eunuchs.

     So, are you now, or have you ever been:

     1) …a “loser”?
     2) …unappealing to the opposite sex?
     3) …otherwise sexually dysfunctional?
     4) …the product of a less-than-elite educational institution?
     5) …compensating for feelings of personal inferiority?
     6) …proud of the sacred symbols of the race and to be publicly associated therewith?
     7) …contemptuous of the dignified and efficient conduct of racial confrontation as confined to modern electronic devices?

     If your answer to any of the above is in the affirmative, the eunuchs are excused from attention to your remarks. Sorry.

119. on 04 Dec 2009 at 2:36 am119Denise

     

     Mr. Wallace,

     Thanks for your explantion. I know that my initial post is rather…exuberant - but thanks for posting [it]. Ideas must stand, or fall in defeat, by their merit alone. Not to cosset the egos of those that would limit debate. We are White, after all. This is one of the Hallmarks of OUR Race,

     Ellen - the idea of a Jew calling a White, or any-one else, a profound “Race Hater” is Irony, Defined.

     Your demands for censorship emerge from your DNA.

     If you want hateful, psychotic writings to be banished - run along and clean up the Talmud. You do not belong here, or anywhere around Whites. You are a Jew.

     Europe is the INDIGENOUS HOMELAND OF Whites. Every-one ELSE should go. You, your self-flattering self, can get your gluteus maximus back to your point of origin. Noe called “Georgia”. Go back and bedevil the South Ossetians

120. on 04 Dec 2009 at 3:21 am120Kasimir Petrenkov

     

     So, are you now, or have you ever been….If your answer to any of the above is in the affirmative, the eunuchs are excused from attention to your remarks. Sorry. - NeoNietzsche

     This point of yours will probably go unheeded as most of yours have so far. I happen to agree though. Why we feel the need to use Freudian psycho-quackery on potential allies is beyond me. I don’t know if it’s eunuchry though - it smacks of Jewish perversion of our collective subconscious that we tend to behave in such a fashion. Truly a testament to the ability of our oppressors to create discord and partisanship. Hell, the pro-white thing is always going to have “cranks”, might as well just incorporate those who can be and ignore the rest.

     But yes, before we can regain collective autonomy (if ever), we must be willing as individuals to force back our own autonomy. That means not being coerced needlessly by alien mores and being less risk-averse. The safe, easy road ends with our extinction.

121. on 04 Dec 2009 at 3:29 am121Fred Scrooby

     

     Denise and Ellen are a novel experience for me. Not entirely — I remember Carole Ward. But they’re extreme rarities for the XX genotype.

122. on 04 Dec 2009 at 6:16 am122Denise

     

     The Neo of post 118 seems to either be a troll, or have had a radical change of direction, form the Neo of posts 116 and 117. But I’ll humour you, whom-ever you are.

     1) State your criteria for the pejorative/descriptor “loser”. In what realm? I have lost wagers, of money, and I tend to lose small objects, at an alarming rate (hence my refusal to wear watches, or maintain a cell phone). As far as employement, or personal relationships? Professional achievement? My employers have always found my performance to be more than satisfactory. Personal relationships? I have loved, and lost, and won.

     Ideological battles? I play to win. I plan for the long term. I’m good. I am pitbull. I sniff out weakness, and then go for the throat. I never let go. I win.

     2) I seem to be not so much unappealng, as frightening, to most of the opposite sex. Men who are attracted to me either want a mother, or a challenge. Or once and awhile I run across a really rare gent, with a boundless mental landscape, who is seeking a really wild ride,

     3) See above. I’ve never had any complaints, voiced to me, in that realm.

     4) My University is well-known, and very well-respected, but not crawling with Ivy. I knew, and was chummy with tons of Yids, there-in. FYI.

     5) Ha! Ha! Yes. that’s it. This is all a pose. A facade. I’m really terribly shy.

     6). Yes. Open-heartedly, and with every fibre of my soul.

     7) No. Not at all. I am not contemptuous of the dignified and efficient conduct of racial confrontation, via confrontation as confined to modern electronic devices. I am contemptous, however, of limp-wristed hand-wringing, cowardice, and excuses. I detest those who seek refuge from action, by slavishly agreeing with the spectacularly erroneous “advice” of egoists, who have NO direct experience of the subject they expound upon - and leave disaster and betrayal in their wake.

     So - your turn. Tell me about yourself.

     What are wearing?

123. on 04 Dec 2009 at 6:17 am123Denise

     

     Mr Scrooby - I am a redhead. ; } !

124. on 04 Dec 2009 at 6:49 am124Grimoire

     

     ok, so your a redhead…nice. Do you think it’s more productive to get in their faces and fashion them a new asshole….when they have an endless supply of assholes for you to refashion….or do you think it’s wiser to pool your resources, cool your jets and study the enemy and the problem, and then take them out at the head, for good?

     Say a steet fight…your up against four or five, there onto you but waiting, scoping for weakness, it’s dark and you can’t identify useful objects quickly in your immediate enviroment. How do you proceed?

125. on 04 Dec 2009 at 3:00 pm125Kasimir Petrenkov

     

     @ Denise,

     It looks like I was right and the subtlety of his point went over your head. He was not insulting you, he was making a joking reference to the people in our circles who are so quick to condemn fellow pro-whites for making radical statements like you did all in the name of “respectability”. Commonly the accusation comes out that you’re either a loser or mental case, etc if you do urge people to do certain things.

126. on 04 Dec 2009 at 4:02 pm126Denise

     

     Kasimir - I knew he was teasing. Neo posted a sly jab at the effete eunichs. I decided to have a little fun, myself.

     Didn’t the last line of my response tip you off?

     Sigh. The single worst flaw, in the WN, is a severely impaired lack of a sense of humour.

127. on 04 Dec 2009 at 4:11 pm127Denise

     

     Grimoire. I am a female. I have always been fascinated by history. The story of human beings. Have yo uever studied the American “Wild West” era, in the mid-to-late 19th century? Most attacks were not carried out is the classic Hollywood set-up, of 2 gunfighters facing off, at High Noon, in the middle of a dusty, and hastily-emptied street (although Mr Wm Hickock DID do that sort of thing), but carefully-thought-out sniping set ups.

     The scenario you described is what could happen to an unwhittling young sport, who wasn’t thinking…….

     The most prudent thing to do, for a person of my size, and sex, is to NOT get myself in such a situation in the first place. Now - you can study yor enemy forever. Sooner or later you MUST act.

     Far better to have your enemy at your mercy, after you have spent lots and lots of time, practicing with the tools of your trade.

     That is what ALL the LEGENDARY gunslingers did. Practice practice practice. Not talk talk talk.

128. on 04 Dec 2009 at 4:37 pm128Kasimir Petrenkov

     

     “I knew he was teasing. Neo posted a sly jab at the effete eunichs. I decided to have a little fun, myself.

     Didn’t the last line of my response tip you off?

     Sigh. The single worst flaw, in the WN, is a severely impaired lack of a sense of humour.” - Denise

     That’s a little harsh, I’ve a sense of humor else I wouldn’t have picked his point up myself. Anyhow, I admit because of the volume of comments I often skim them rather than reading them fully which is why I missed the last line of your response. Forgive me, no offense intended or taken.

129. on 04 Dec 2009 at 8:00 pm129Denise

     

     Kasimir - I would now like to apologize to you, if my rebuttal was”harsh”. I still have the flu. I’m very crabby. Not an excuse. Just a reason.

     I like this forum a lot! The posters are really interesting. I love Stormfront - cause it provides relentless action - but the posters on this site seem to be thoughtful, erudite, and highly intelligent.

     I dove in on this Kemp issue. I detest that ……I will refrain from befouling this thread with accurate descriptive pejoratives.

     I cannot stand creatures like him - or Jews.

     Jews are not White.

130. on 04 Dec 2009 at 8:31 pm130Ellen

     

     “Ellen - the idea of a Jew calling a White, or any-one else, a profound “Race Hater” is Irony, Defined.”

     Really! I am White! My Great-Great-Great-Great Grandfather on my mother’s side, was Jewish. Even the Nazis defined people of an 8th or less Jewish, as White.

     “Your demands for censorship emerge from your DNA.”

     What a ludicruous remark! All races engage in censorship at some time or other, even the Chinese and Asiatic Muslims.

     “If you want hateful, psychotic writings to be banished - run along and clean up the Talmud. You do not belong here, or anywhere around Whites. You are a Jew.”

     LOL. I am a Roman Catholic as a matter of fact, but carry on making a total idiot of yourself if you want. I’m enjoying it for one.

     You’re steeped in rage, hate and resentment to the point of being psychologically disturbed. Usually, people who are affected by this kind of emotional insecurity and mental instability, sooner or later end up sidelined since they are unable to debate, rationally, sensibly and coherently. Anyone who empathises with them obviously must also be of the same ilk too.

131. on 04 Dec 2009 at 11:57 pm131Denise

     

     Go away Judenraus. Go amuse yourself by concocting other ways to remove Whites from White lands. LOL!

132. on 05 Dec 2009 at 12:59 am132Mark

     

     You’re steeped in rage, hate and resentment to the point of being psychologically disturbed. Usually, people who are affected by this kind of emotional insecurity and mental instability, sooner or later end up sidelined since they are unable to debate, rationally, sensibly and coherently. Anyone who empathises with them obviously must also be of the same ilk too.

     Or they create a website and claim to be on the vanguard and represent the movement.

133. on 05 Dec 2009 at 2:11 pm133Grimoire

     

     Denise. Yes some, while traveling through the Utah i met Art and Ruth Norlan, gunsmiths , anti-nuclear activists and caretaker of the Bat Masterson / Wyatt Earp brothel museum. I stayed there for a month, many nights in the brothel (it was a museum), I fired a colt 14″ long barreled revolver proposed to be Bat Mastersons carriage weapoon, crude but deadly. I read many of their actual letters. Then I traveled south through the southwest. My habit is to stop in small town museums as I go. I stopped in Fort Sumner at the grave of Billy the Kid. I remember looking at his boots in the museum, how the heels were worn down from the outside in, because he had extreme bowed legs.. The seam was picked open at the top of the boot so he could slide his shaving razor between the leather. I stared at those boots for what seemed like hours, and in my mind’s eye I could actually hear and feel him there.

     No, the scene i described in my previous comment to you, could happen to anybody. It happened to me more than once, and I have never been unwitting. In the martial arts it is called ‘four corners’, and it is a method and test that must be passed in advanced hand to hand combat training.

     I asked that because your likable, but rash. That can be good in a women. All men enjoy cat-fights. But it is usually deadly, and I wanted to see if you knew anything.

     You say “you can study your enemy forever. Sooner or later you MUST act”

     This is obvious, yet meaningless, and the thoughts of a loser,

     The inimitable first rule: no matter how aggressive your are, no matter how skilled you are, no matter how prepared you are, no matter how tough you are - and you had better be all of these things….there is always someone more aggressive, more skilled, more prepared. and tougher, and they may just kill you. With wisdom, you can edge down that statistical certainty by correct action. But every time you step up, it may as well be that fight. The more you fight, the more certain you will be in that fight. Television, rap music and magazines convince the ignorant this is a law that can be beaten with rash words and actions. But it is a lie, there is no escaping this law.

     Combat is a combination of four qualities, between yourself and your opponent. Each battle, is a square of four corners of attack and defense you meet with proper action.

     Reckless words and rash action is the quality to ensure defeat,

     Because your a woman, you will avoid combat, but you will harass others with criticism that they must act NOW. Advise for which you are not needed, wanted or qualified to give. So you should shut the fuck up. You guarantee the quick destruction of anyone foolish enough to listen to you.

     You may be an ok lady. But what you need is a man to teach you to be silent.

134. on 07 Dec 2009 at 7:37 am134NeoNietzsche

     

     So - your turn. Tell me about yourself.

     1) No
     2) No
     3) No
     4) No
     5) No
     6) Yes
     7) Yes

     What are wearing?

     As in “what are [you] wearing”?

     If that is your meaning, I can report that I am appropriately attired for a late evening’s recreation.

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