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		<title>Comment on Southern Homeland by Lockeford</title>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;There are four secessionist movements to my knowledge that have some chance of causing trouble &lt;/i&gt;

What about Alaska?  They have an independence party.  According to wikipedia it's the third largest party in the state.  They support gun rights, privatization, home schooling, and limited government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>There are four secessionist movements to my knowledge that have some chance of causing trouble </i></p>
<p>What about Alaska?  They have an independence party.  According to wikipedia it&#8217;s the third largest party in the state.  They support gun rights, privatization, home schooling, and limited government.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Southern Homeland by Sam Davidson</title>
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		<description>Trainspotter summed up the situation correctly. The only thing I would add is that, like Hunter pointed out, the current estimate for White Nationalists in the United States is 30,000. That's barely enough to fill a small town. If we want to start playing "Civil War 2" we need to increase our numbers by 10,000%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trainspotter summed up the situation correctly. The only thing I would add is that, like Hunter pointed out, the current estimate for White Nationalists in the United States is 30,000. That&#8217;s barely enough to fill a small town. If we want to start playing &#8220;Civil War 2&#8243; we need to increase our numbers by 10,000%.</p>
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		<description>Hate to break this to you gentlemen, but this idea has already been picked apart. By a Southerner, no less.

&lt;b&gt;" Southern Secessionism: An Infantile Disorder&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;i&gt;"Why, we could lick them in a month!" boasts the hot-headed
Stuart Tarleton soon after the Confederates fire on Fort Sumter in
Margaret Mitchell's Gone with the Wind. "Gentlemen always fight
better than rabble. A month -- why, one battle." At that point,
young Mr. Tarleton's naive and tedious boasting is interrupted by
Rhett Butler, a rather darker character in Mitchell's novel than
the swashbuckling playboy created by Clark Gable on the screen.
Butler coolly points out that the Southerners do not possess what
modern strategists would call the industrial and logistical infra-
structure with which a modern war must be fought -- the cannon
factories, iron foundries, railroads, and woolen and cotton mills
that the North has in abundance. "But, of course," he concludes,
with the sarcastic smirk that is ever on his lips, "you gentlemen
have thought of these things."

But of course they hadn't thought of those things, at least
the fictional cavaliers gathered at John Wilkes' barbecue that
spring day in 1861, and if the leaders of the new Confederacy had
thought about them more, too many other Southerners failed to give
such mundane matters the consideration they merited. What they
did think about was the glories of the coming conflict and the
rights they were going to vindicate by force of arms, and within a
few years and a few more battles than Stuart Tarleton had
anticipated, he and his twin brother were dead, along with most of
the others who had listened to them, the Confederacy itself, and
the society on which it rested. As for Rhett Butler, he not only
survived but flourished, confident in his philosophy that there
are two times when a man can easily make a fortune for himself --
once when a civilization rises, and once when a civilization
falls.

Today, 130 years after the disasters to which the chatter of
valiant fools like Stuart Tarleton led, secessionism purports to
rise from the ashes, this time embodied mainly in the League of
the South, of which most of the editors of this magazine except me
appear to members. Its leaders foreswear the use of violence, so
we need not anticipate that the results will be similar -- at
least not until a good many more Southerners sign up than seem to
have done so in the four years of the League's existence and until
the federal government pays more attention to them than it has
done to date. Nevertheless, if the physical extermination of
600,000 white men over the burning issue of whether four million
black men are to be slaves or serfs is not on the agenda this
time, secessionism promises to be no less a disaster for those of
the American right than it was for the pretty belles and beaux of
Mitchell's novel. It is unfortunate that many of those gentlemen
most dedicated to secession seem not to have thought of the
weaknesses of their position any more than the guests at the
Wilkes barbecue had.

Two main forces appear to drive the resurrection of Southern
secessionism. In the first place, the American right as a serious
political movement has collapsed, leaving its most dedicated
adherents with no obvious vehicle for pursuing its goals of
dismantling the federal leviathan and ending the cultural and
demographic inundation of the South and the rest of the nation.
In the second place, a concerted onslaught against Southern and
Confederate symbols and traditions, most clearly represented in
the attacks on public display of the Confederate Battle Flag,
rightly excites the wrath of Southerners who remain loyal to the
memory of the Confederacy and the culture that the flag and the
war have come to represent. Correctly lacking any confidence in
the Republican Party or the neo-conservative-dominated
"conservative movement," Southerners of the right have decided to
chuck it all and set off on their own, with the goal of invoking
the traditions and identity of their own land and culture as the
basis for resisting federal tyranny and their own racial and
cultural destruction.

Yet neither of these two forces provides an adequate
justification for secession, and neither suggests any realistic
prospect of success. There are, to put it simply, two strong
reasons why secession, for the South or any other part of the
nation, is not a good idea. In the first place, it is not
practical; in the second place, even if it were practical, it
would not be desirable.

Leaders of Southern secessionism often point to sister
movements abroad -- to secessionist movements in Northern Italy,
Quebec, Scotland, the Balkans, and other places -- as well as to
perennial discussions and controversies about a kind of secession
in various states, cities, and regions in this country. Both the
foreign movements and those in the United States are irrelevant to
what Southerners actually propose, however. Abroad, where
secessionism has gathered significant support, it has done so
because those pushing it can claim to be the heirs of real and
ancient nations or at least of subnational regions that exhibit
far more distinctiveness than the American South, today or at any
time in its history, can claim. Scotland, Quebec, the Balkan
peoples, and even Northern Italy all can boast of distinctive
linguistic, religious, ethnic, and historical heritages, far more
distinctive than those of the South, and some can point to some
period in their past when they actually constituted autonomous
states. Indeed, compared to some of these nations or regions, the
American South under close scrutiny begins to vanish as a cultural
unity. There is at least as much difference between Tidewater
Virginia and East Tennessee or between northern and southern
Louisiana as there is between Scotland and England or Northern and
Southern Italy today.

Within the United States, the periodic demands for breaking
Staten Island off from New York City or East Kansas from West
Kansas or Southern California from Northern California are not
secessionist movements in the same sense as what the Southerners
advocate. None of these other movements contemplates leaving the
national political unity of the United States, and how they re-
arrange or fail to re-arrange their own borders and jurisdictions
is largely a matter of their own concern. It makes sense that
over time some borders and jurisdictions will become outmoded, and
to redraw the map every now and then to suit contemporary
interests and needs is unobjectionable. But it is not secession
in the sense that Southerners and most dictionaries use the term,
and to cite such movements (none of which has so far been
successful) as examples of the rising dissatisfaction with the
unified nation-state is fallacious.

Nor do contemporary Southern secessionists make any
compelling case for the separation of their own region from the
larger national unity. Historically, the Southern people have had
an arguable case for separation, and in 1860, with the prospect of
their slave-powered economy being gradually gutted by Northern
dominance, their case was more arguable than ever, though even
then there was less than a universal consensus in the South for
separation. Today, that case simply does not apply. Today, the
modern South has probably profited from federal largesse more than
most other regions, and the argument for States' Rights, which
Southerners invoked from Jefferson to George Wallace, is silenced
by the demands of Southern politicians for more farm subsidies,
more defense contracts, more military bases, more federal
highways, and -- if we include blacks as Southerners, which the
League readily does -- more "civil rights," more affirmative
action, more federal marshals to enforce them, and more welfare.
To find out how practical secessionism is in the South today,
visit any large Southern city -- Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville,
Richmond, Dallas, Fort Worth, let alone New Orleans and Miami --
and ask yourself if the residents (even those who are still
recognizably American) are ready for another Pickett's Charge.
It's all conservative Southerners can do to keep the Battle Flag
flying and Confederate monuments from being obliterated, and the
most vociferous enemies of the flag and the monuments are not the
"Yankees" of yore or even the federal government but Southerners
themselves, either the manipulated blacks of the NAACP or white
Southerners of Confederate antecedents like South Carolina's
Republican Governor David Beasley. The South today and the
Southerners who inhabit it are simply too well connected to
Washington and the rest of the nation to contemplate any serious
movement for the national independence of their region.

But even if secession were possible, it would be a bad idea.
Today, the main political line of division in the United States
is not between the regions of North and South (in so far as such
regions can still be said to exist) but between elite and non-
elite. As I have tried to make plain in columns in this magazine
and many other places for the last fifteen years, the elite, based
in Washington, New York, and a few large metropolises, allies with
the underclass against Middle Americans, who pay the taxes, do the
work, fight the wars, suffer the crime, and endure their own
political and cultural dispossession at the hands of the elite and
its underclass vanguard. Today, the greatest immediate danger to
Middle America and the European-American civilization to which it
is heir lies in the importation of a new underclass from the Third
World through mass immigration. The danger is in part economic,
in part political, and in part cultural, but it is also in part
racial, pure and simple. The leaders of the alien underclass, as
well as those of the older black underclass, invoke race in
explicit terms, and they leave no doubt that their main enemy is
the white man and his institutions and patterns of belief.
The only prospect of resisting the domination of the Ruling
Class and its anti-white and anti-Western allies in the underclass
is through Middle American solidarity, a solidarity that must
transcend the differentiations of region, class, religion, party,
and ideology. White Southerners are a vital part of the Middle
American core, as are their northern counterparts, and neither is
the enemy of the other. Both regional sections of Middle America
face the same threats, experience much the same problems, and
ought to be joined in the same political-cultural movement to meet
the threat together.

If, however, Southerners were to secede, they would be
engulfed by the same forces that threaten the nation as a whole.
By the year 2020, the Census Bureau reports, the only parts of the
South that will have more than a 75 percent white population will
be a thin strip of western Virginia, most of Tennessee, and
northern Arkansas; the rest of the region, especially Texas and
the Deep South, will be dominated by populations more than 50
percent non-white, in some places far more. Dr. Brent Nelson has
calculated that even today, even if 80 percent of the white
population of South Carolina were to support secession in a
referendum, that would amount to only 55 percent of the state's
total population.

I mention this racial dimension of the secession controversy not
because of the obvious conflicts that will arise in its wake but to
suggest that the majority populations of the South in the near future
will either be blacks, who have only hostile memories of what secession
and the historic South meant to them and their ancestors, or Hispanics,
who will sympathize with secession only if it means union with Mexico. It
is unlikely that either the black or the Hispanic populations will
evince much sympathy for Jefferson Davis and his legacy.
But the racial composition of the future South is significant
also because the racial consciousness and solidarity non-whites
will exhibit is already plain, in the frenetic, hate-driven
language of their leaders and organizational vehicles, in their
political behavior, and in the whole fabric of their subculture.
It is a consciousness that readily identifies whites as an enemy
and their institutions and values as alien and oppressive.
The only prospect of white Middle American resistance to this
racial and political engulfment is our own solidarity; instead of
snorting at white Northerners as "Yankees" who lack good table
manners and the rudiments of culture, white Southerners should be
standing firm with them in opposition to more immigration and more
domination by the federal leviathan that serves as the political
instrument of the overclass-underclass alliance.

The key to resisting that domination does not lie in resort
to the dormant right of secession but in revival of the real
federalism to which both Southerners and Northerners subscribed at
the time the Constitution was ratified. It may be argued that the
10th Amendment is itself dormant, but it remains more alive than
secessionism. The Supreme Court has cited the 10th Amendment in
striking down a federal gun control law in the Lopez case in 1994
and the Brady law last year, and even poor old Bob Dole used to
brag about carrying a copy of the amendment around in his vest
pocket. Of course Mr. Dole didn't understand or care what the
amendment meant, but the fact that even he would invoke it means
that it remains a living part of our Constitution. With its
revival as a serious political tool, most of the dangerous and
stupid overgrowth of the federal leviathan would disappear, and
its disappearance would be welcomed not only by Southerners but by
most Middle Americans of other regions who suffer from it.
I do not, of course, believe that secessionism will prosper
as a serious political movement, but I do worry that it will
prosper to the point of becoming a serious political distraction -
- a distraction from the imperative that Middle Americans now face
of constructing their own autonomous political movement that can
take back their nation rather than assisting the new underclass
and the globalist Ruling Class in breaking it up. The time left
for us to do so is shorter than it has ever been in our history,
and until we outgrow the infantile disorder that secessionism
offers, the construction cannot begin. If the gentlemen who talk
of secession have not yet thought of these things, I invite them to do so soon."&lt;/i&gt;

P.S. Hunter, why didn't you get in touch with me while in N.C.?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hate to break this to you gentlemen, but this idea has already been picked apart. By a Southerner, no less.</p>
<p><b>&#8221; Southern Secessionism: An Infantile Disorder</b></p>
<p><i>&#8220;Why, we could lick them in a month!&#8221; boasts the hot-headed<br />
Stuart Tarleton soon after the Confederates fire on Fort Sumter in<br />
Margaret Mitchell&#8217;s Gone with the Wind. &#8220;Gentlemen always fight<br />
better than rabble. A month &#8212; why, one battle.&#8221; At that point,<br />
young Mr. Tarleton&#8217;s naive and tedious boasting is interrupted by<br />
Rhett Butler, a rather darker character in Mitchell&#8217;s novel than<br />
the swashbuckling playboy created by Clark Gable on the screen.<br />
Butler coolly points out that the Southerners do not possess what<br />
modern strategists would call the industrial and logistical infra-<br />
structure with which a modern war must be fought &#8212; the cannon<br />
factories, iron foundries, railroads, and woolen and cotton mills<br />
that the North has in abundance. &#8220;But, of course,&#8221; he concludes,<br />
with the sarcastic smirk that is ever on his lips, &#8220;you gentlemen<br />
have thought of these things.&#8221;</p>
<p>But of course they hadn&#8217;t thought of those things, at least<br />
the fictional cavaliers gathered at John Wilkes&#8217; barbecue that<br />
spring day in 1861, and if the leaders of the new Confederacy had<br />
thought about them more, too many other Southerners failed to give<br />
such mundane matters the consideration they merited. What they<br />
did think about was the glories of the coming conflict and the<br />
rights they were going to vindicate by force of arms, and within a<br />
few years and a few more battles than Stuart Tarleton had<br />
anticipated, he and his twin brother were dead, along with most of<br />
the others who had listened to them, the Confederacy itself, and<br />
the society on which it rested. As for Rhett Butler, he not only<br />
survived but flourished, confident in his philosophy that there<br />
are two times when a man can easily make a fortune for himself &#8211;<br />
once when a civilization rises, and once when a civilization<br />
falls.</p>
<p>Today, 130 years after the disasters to which the chatter of<br />
valiant fools like Stuart Tarleton led, secessionism purports to<br />
rise from the ashes, this time embodied mainly in the League of<br />
the South, of which most of the editors of this magazine except me<br />
appear to members. Its leaders foreswear the use of violence, so<br />
we need not anticipate that the results will be similar &#8212; at<br />
least not until a good many more Southerners sign up than seem to<br />
have done so in the four years of the League&#8217;s existence and until<br />
the federal government pays more attention to them than it has<br />
done to date. Nevertheless, if the physical extermination of<br />
600,000 white men over the burning issue of whether four million<br />
black men are to be slaves or serfs is not on the agenda this<br />
time, secessionism promises to be no less a disaster for those of<br />
the American right than it was for the pretty belles and beaux of<br />
Mitchell&#8217;s novel. It is unfortunate that many of those gentlemen<br />
most dedicated to secession seem not to have thought of the<br />
weaknesses of their position any more than the guests at the<br />
Wilkes barbecue had.</p>
<p>Two main forces appear to drive the resurrection of Southern<br />
secessionism. In the first place, the American right as a serious<br />
political movement has collapsed, leaving its most dedicated<br />
adherents with no obvious vehicle for pursuing its goals of<br />
dismantling the federal leviathan and ending the cultural and<br />
demographic inundation of the South and the rest of the nation.<br />
In the second place, a concerted onslaught against Southern and<br />
Confederate symbols and traditions, most clearly represented in<br />
the attacks on public display of the Confederate Battle Flag,<br />
rightly excites the wrath of Southerners who remain loyal to the<br />
memory of the Confederacy and the culture that the flag and the<br />
war have come to represent. Correctly lacking any confidence in<br />
the Republican Party or the neo-conservative-dominated<br />
&#8220;conservative movement,&#8221; Southerners of the right have decided to<br />
chuck it all and set off on their own, with the goal of invoking<br />
the traditions and identity of their own land and culture as the<br />
basis for resisting federal tyranny and their own racial and<br />
cultural destruction.</p>
<p>Yet neither of these two forces provides an adequate<br />
justification for secession, and neither suggests any realistic<br />
prospect of success. There are, to put it simply, two strong<br />
reasons why secession, for the South or any other part of the<br />
nation, is not a good idea. In the first place, it is not<br />
practical; in the second place, even if it were practical, it<br />
would not be desirable.</p>
<p>Leaders of Southern secessionism often point to sister<br />
movements abroad &#8212; to secessionist movements in Northern Italy,<br />
Quebec, Scotland, the Balkans, and other places &#8212; as well as to<br />
perennial discussions and controversies about a kind of secession<br />
in various states, cities, and regions in this country. Both the<br />
foreign movements and those in the United States are irrelevant to<br />
what Southerners actually propose, however. Abroad, where<br />
secessionism has gathered significant support, it has done so<br />
because those pushing it can claim to be the heirs of real and<br />
ancient nations or at least of subnational regions that exhibit<br />
far more distinctiveness than the American South, today or at any<br />
time in its history, can claim. Scotland, Quebec, the Balkan<br />
peoples, and even Northern Italy all can boast of distinctive<br />
linguistic, religious, ethnic, and historical heritages, far more<br />
distinctive than those of the South, and some can point to some<br />
period in their past when they actually constituted autonomous<br />
states. Indeed, compared to some of these nations or regions, the<br />
American South under close scrutiny begins to vanish as a cultural<br />
unity. There is at least as much difference between Tidewater<br />
Virginia and East Tennessee or between northern and southern<br />
Louisiana as there is between Scotland and England or Northern and<br />
Southern Italy today.</p>
<p>Within the United States, the periodic demands for breaking<br />
Staten Island off from New York City or East Kansas from West<br />
Kansas or Southern California from Northern California are not<br />
secessionist movements in the same sense as what the Southerners<br />
advocate. None of these other movements contemplates leaving the<br />
national political unity of the United States, and how they re-<br />
arrange or fail to re-arrange their own borders and jurisdictions<br />
is largely a matter of their own concern. It makes sense that<br />
over time some borders and jurisdictions will become outmoded, and<br />
to redraw the map every now and then to suit contemporary<br />
interests and needs is unobjectionable. But it is not secession<br />
in the sense that Southerners and most dictionaries use the term,<br />
and to cite such movements (none of which has so far been<br />
successful) as examples of the rising dissatisfaction with the<br />
unified nation-state is fallacious.</p>
<p>Nor do contemporary Southern secessionists make any<br />
compelling case for the separation of their own region from the<br />
larger national unity. Historically, the Southern people have had<br />
an arguable case for separation, and in 1860, with the prospect of<br />
their slave-powered economy being gradually gutted by Northern<br />
dominance, their case was more arguable than ever, though even<br />
then there was less than a universal consensus in the South for<br />
separation. Today, that case simply does not apply. Today, the<br />
modern South has probably profited from federal largesse more than<br />
most other regions, and the argument for States&#8217; Rights, which<br />
Southerners invoked from Jefferson to George Wallace, is silenced<br />
by the demands of Southern politicians for more farm subsidies,<br />
more defense contracts, more military bases, more federal<br />
highways, and &#8212; if we include blacks as Southerners, which the<br />
League readily does &#8212; more &#8220;civil rights,&#8221; more affirmative<br />
action, more federal marshals to enforce them, and more welfare.<br />
To find out how practical secessionism is in the South today,<br />
visit any large Southern city &#8212; Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville,<br />
Richmond, Dallas, Fort Worth, let alone New Orleans and Miami &#8211;<br />
and ask yourself if the residents (even those who are still<br />
recognizably American) are ready for another Pickett&#8217;s Charge.<br />
It&#8217;s all conservative Southerners can do to keep the Battle Flag<br />
flying and Confederate monuments from being obliterated, and the<br />
most vociferous enemies of the flag and the monuments are not the<br />
&#8220;Yankees&#8221; of yore or even the federal government but Southerners<br />
themselves, either the manipulated blacks of the NAACP or white<br />
Southerners of Confederate antecedents like South Carolina&#8217;s<br />
Republican Governor David Beasley. The South today and the<br />
Southerners who inhabit it are simply too well connected to<br />
Washington and the rest of the nation to contemplate any serious<br />
movement for the national independence of their region.</p>
<p>But even if secession were possible, it would be a bad idea.<br />
Today, the main political line of division in the United States<br />
is not between the regions of North and South (in so far as such<br />
regions can still be said to exist) but between elite and non-<br />
elite. As I have tried to make plain in columns in this magazine<br />
and many other places for the last fifteen years, the elite, based<br />
in Washington, New York, and a few large metropolises, allies with<br />
the underclass against Middle Americans, who pay the taxes, do the<br />
work, fight the wars, suffer the crime, and endure their own<br />
political and cultural dispossession at the hands of the elite and<br />
its underclass vanguard. Today, the greatest immediate danger to<br />
Middle America and the European-American civilization to which it<br />
is heir lies in the importation of a new underclass from the Third<br />
World through mass immigration. The danger is in part economic,<br />
in part political, and in part cultural, but it is also in part<br />
racial, pure and simple. The leaders of the alien underclass, as<br />
well as those of the older black underclass, invoke race in<br />
explicit terms, and they leave no doubt that their main enemy is<br />
the white man and his institutions and patterns of belief.<br />
The only prospect of resisting the domination of the Ruling<br />
Class and its anti-white and anti-Western allies in the underclass<br />
is through Middle American solidarity, a solidarity that must<br />
transcend the differentiations of region, class, religion, party,<br />
and ideology. White Southerners are a vital part of the Middle<br />
American core, as are their northern counterparts, and neither is<br />
the enemy of the other. Both regional sections of Middle America<br />
face the same threats, experience much the same problems, and<br />
ought to be joined in the same political-cultural movement to meet<br />
the threat together.</p>
<p>If, however, Southerners were to secede, they would be<br />
engulfed by the same forces that threaten the nation as a whole.<br />
By the year 2020, the Census Bureau reports, the only parts of the<br />
South that will have more than a 75 percent white population will<br />
be a thin strip of western Virginia, most of Tennessee, and<br />
northern Arkansas; the rest of the region, especially Texas and<br />
the Deep South, will be dominated by populations more than 50<br />
percent non-white, in some places far more. Dr. Brent Nelson has<br />
calculated that even today, even if 80 percent of the white<br />
population of South Carolina were to support secession in a<br />
referendum, that would amount to only 55 percent of the state&#8217;s<br />
total population.</p>
<p>I mention this racial dimension of the secession controversy not<br />
because of the obvious conflicts that will arise in its wake but to<br />
suggest that the majority populations of the South in the near future<br />
will either be blacks, who have only hostile memories of what secession<br />
and the historic South meant to them and their ancestors, or Hispanics,<br />
who will sympathize with secession only if it means union with Mexico. It<br />
is unlikely that either the black or the Hispanic populations will<br />
evince much sympathy for Jefferson Davis and his legacy.<br />
But the racial composition of the future South is significant<br />
also because the racial consciousness and solidarity non-whites<br />
will exhibit is already plain, in the frenetic, hate-driven<br />
language of their leaders and organizational vehicles, in their<br />
political behavior, and in the whole fabric of their subculture.<br />
It is a consciousness that readily identifies whites as an enemy<br />
and their institutions and values as alien and oppressive.<br />
The only prospect of white Middle American resistance to this<br />
racial and political engulfment is our own solidarity; instead of<br />
snorting at white Northerners as &#8220;Yankees&#8221; who lack good table<br />
manners and the rudiments of culture, white Southerners should be<br />
standing firm with them in opposition to more immigration and more<br />
domination by the federal leviathan that serves as the political<br />
instrument of the overclass-underclass alliance.</p>
<p>The key to resisting that domination does not lie in resort<br />
to the dormant right of secession but in revival of the real<br />
federalism to which both Southerners and Northerners subscribed at<br />
the time the Constitution was ratified. It may be argued that the<br />
10th Amendment is itself dormant, but it remains more alive than<br />
secessionism. The Supreme Court has cited the 10th Amendment in<br />
striking down a federal gun control law in the Lopez case in 1994<br />
and the Brady law last year, and even poor old Bob Dole used to<br />
brag about carrying a copy of the amendment around in his vest<br />
pocket. Of course Mr. Dole didn&#8217;t understand or care what the<br />
amendment meant, but the fact that even he would invoke it means<br />
that it remains a living part of our Constitution. With its<br />
revival as a serious political tool, most of the dangerous and<br />
stupid overgrowth of the federal leviathan would disappear, and<br />
its disappearance would be welcomed not only by Southerners but by<br />
most Middle Americans of other regions who suffer from it.<br />
I do not, of course, believe that secessionism will prosper<br />
as a serious political movement, but I do worry that it will<br />
prosper to the point of becoming a serious political distraction -<br />
- a distraction from the imperative that Middle Americans now face<br />
of constructing their own autonomous political movement that can<br />
take back their nation rather than assisting the new underclass<br />
and the globalist Ruling Class in breaking it up. The time left<br />
for us to do so is shorter than it has ever been in our history,<br />
and until we outgrow the infantile disorder that secessionism<br />
offers, the construction cannot begin. If the gentlemen who talk<br />
of secession have not yet thought of these things, I invite them to do so soon.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>P.S. Hunter, why didn&#8217;t you get in touch with me while in N.C.?</p>
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		<title>Comment on RE: Noblesse Oblige by Eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 02:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@KNL -- Sailer said, "...it was likely that I was half-Jewish biologically, (which indeed appears to be the case &lt;b&gt;based on evidence my wife dug up when I was 30&lt;/b&gt;)."  There's evidence.  A birth certificate or adoption records or something that Mrs. Sailer found.

Besides, you're making it too complicated.  More likely that someone who favors a particular group AND says it's likely that he's OF that group is, indeed, &lt;i&gt;of&lt;/i&gt; that group, rather than just trying to court favor with that group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@KNL &#8212; Sailer said, &#8220;&#8230;it was likely that I was half-Jewish biologically, (which indeed appears to be the case <b>based on evidence my wife dug up when I was 30</b>).&#8221;  There&#8217;s evidence.  A birth certificate or adoption records or something that Mrs. Sailer found.</p>
<p>Besides, you&#8217;re making it too complicated.  More likely that someone who favors a particular group AND says it&#8217;s likely that he&#8217;s OF that group is, indeed, <i>of</i> that group, rather than just trying to court favor with that group.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Southern Homeland by Kievsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kievsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 02:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hunter,

I think it's a great idea!  You are right -- the raw material is there.

I lived in Florida for a year.  I know some people will say Florida is not the South.  Whatever.  I got the flavor of Southern people.  Here's their weaknesses, that if corrected, would make them quite formidable.

I have noticed among Southerners a flair for drama.  Maybe this is a good thing.  It probably makes their lives richer.  For my part, I live kind of a gray, unemotional existence by comparison.  Everything is done for utility, with a vague dream of someday a more interesting or exciting life.  But the gray life is stable -- less divorce, the kids grow up under close tutelage, less bankruptcies, less domestic violence, less DUI, a better credit rating.  The real "Terminator" is not muscles and leather shooting a pump shotgun from a motorcycle, but rather a family man with a rather dull life who always fulfills his duty, and perhaps tinkers in his spare time with politics or computer security or foreign languages or some other "mind-weapon" hobby.

The Southern men I knew who were good, staid family men were hard core Christians.  It seemed like they only behaved because they thought Jesus was watching.  The atheist or agnostic Southern men go for wine, women and song, and run up their credit cards and get divorces, so the Jewish credit card companies and the Jewish divorce lawyers get all their money, so they never accumulate wealth.

It might be a climate thing.  But I would urge Southern men to be less emotional, stick with the woman who had his kids, raise those kids to be intellectually elite, and spend his spare time in Apollonian tinkering rather than Dionysian partying.  Even when you know Jesus isn't looking.

If we could get racially aware Southern men to be more serious and stolid, then we could really accomplish something.  There's an old joke, "Why did God invent whiskey?  So the Irish wouldn't take over the world."  I love drinking, but I quit it to be more militant, like the Muslims.  We need Whites who are fanatical and sober like Muslim jihadists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hunter,</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s a great idea!  You are right &#8212; the raw material is there.</p>
<p>I lived in Florida for a year.  I know some people will say Florida is not the South.  Whatever.  I got the flavor of Southern people.  Here&#8217;s their weaknesses, that if corrected, would make them quite formidable.</p>
<p>I have noticed among Southerners a flair for drama.  Maybe this is a good thing.  It probably makes their lives richer.  For my part, I live kind of a gray, unemotional existence by comparison.  Everything is done for utility, with a vague dream of someday a more interesting or exciting life.  But the gray life is stable &#8212; less divorce, the kids grow up under close tutelage, less bankruptcies, less domestic violence, less DUI, a better credit rating.  The real &#8220;Terminator&#8221; is not muscles and leather shooting a pump shotgun from a motorcycle, but rather a family man with a rather dull life who always fulfills his duty, and perhaps tinkers in his spare time with politics or computer security or foreign languages or some other &#8220;mind-weapon&#8221; hobby.</p>
<p>The Southern men I knew who were good, staid family men were hard core Christians.  It seemed like they only behaved because they thought Jesus was watching.  The atheist or agnostic Southern men go for wine, women and song, and run up their credit cards and get divorces, so the Jewish credit card companies and the Jewish divorce lawyers get all their money, so they never accumulate wealth.</p>
<p>It might be a climate thing.  But I would urge Southern men to be less emotional, stick with the woman who had his kids, raise those kids to be intellectually elite, and spend his spare time in Apollonian tinkering rather than Dionysian partying.  Even when you know Jesus isn&#8217;t looking.</p>
<p>If we could get racially aware Southern men to be more serious and stolid, then we could really accomplish something.  There&#8217;s an old joke, &#8220;Why did God invent whiskey?  So the Irish wouldn&#8217;t take over the world.&#8221;  I love drinking, but I quit it to be more militant, like the Muslims.  We need Whites who are fanatical and sober like Muslim jihadists.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Southern Homeland by Curt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 02:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Svigor, you no doubt are right about the superior attitudes of transplanted Yankees having much to do with the resentment of southern whites toward outsiders , as well as their imported politcally correct mentality and culture being imposed on those southerners (and some of the resentment may go back to the War of Northern Aggression as well) but the gist of my statement was that that "us vs. them" perception on the part of southern whites will form a significant barrier to the formation of the theoretical white ethnostate with transplanted whites. Sure it is that white southerners have legitimate grievances, but in the long run, if our culture and race is to survive, then some way to cement a relationship between the factions will have to be found.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Svigor, you no doubt are right about the superior attitudes of transplanted Yankees having much to do with the resentment of southern whites toward outsiders , as well as their imported politcally correct mentality and culture being imposed on those southerners (and some of the resentment may go back to the War of Northern Aggression as well) but the gist of my statement was that that &#8220;us vs. them&#8221; perception on the part of southern whites will form a significant barrier to the formation of the theoretical white ethnostate with transplanted whites. Sure it is that white southerners have legitimate grievances, but in the long run, if our culture and race is to survive, then some way to cement a relationship between the factions will have to be found.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Southern Homeland by Another Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 02:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ See Something Say Something
I think you underestimate the depth of welfare issue within the states. Federal welfare issues concerning foreign countries is another issue altogether. Welfare is mostly funded by the state. Some federal dollars do go to the state for meeting certain "goals" but most of the welfare comes from the state budgets. Housing, food, medical, even power, phone, water and internet bills are subsidized by the state. Thus increasing taxes and increasing the cost of those utilities. What do you think the universal service fund charge on your telephone is for? It is to provide free service to "needy" people, and the other utilities have similar charges or hidden legislative regulations.  Also the re-settlement you mention is mostly a burden on the state not the federal government. 

 Your fixation on ZOG and how it afflicts the US government is not relevant to the ideal of a "new" State. WE are not the federal government anymore, we need to focus on what will help us the most considering we have very little influence in where the feds spend our money.  I think most people here are aware of the problems with the US foreign policy. So much so that they have failed to pay attention to their own backyards. Lets forget about what we can not control at the present time, and focus on what we can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ See Something Say Something<br />
I think you underestimate the depth of welfare issue within the states. Federal welfare issues concerning foreign countries is another issue altogether. Welfare is mostly funded by the state. Some federal dollars do go to the state for meeting certain &#8220;goals&#8221; but most of the welfare comes from the state budgets. Housing, food, medical, even power, phone, water and internet bills are subsidized by the state. Thus increasing taxes and increasing the cost of those utilities. What do you think the universal service fund charge on your telephone is for? It is to provide free service to &#8220;needy&#8221; people, and the other utilities have similar charges or hidden legislative regulations.  Also the re-settlement you mention is mostly a burden on the state not the federal government. </p>
<p> Your fixation on ZOG and how it afflicts the US government is not relevant to the ideal of a &#8220;new&#8221; State. WE are not the federal government anymore, we need to focus on what will help us the most considering we have very little influence in where the feds spend our money.  I think most people here are aware of the problems with the US foreign policy. So much so that they have failed to pay attention to their own backyards. Lets forget about what we can not control at the present time, and focus on what we can.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to make a White liberal: Part 3 by Sam Davidson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 01:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Observer, I didn't intend to give that impression. What I &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; think is that her Christian upbringing planted seeds of self-loathing that were later exploited by Otto Preminger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Observer, I didn&#8217;t intend to give that impression. What I <i>do</i> think is that her Christian upbringing planted seeds of self-loathing that were later exploited by Otto Preminger.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Southern Homeland by nash2z</title>
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		<dc:creator>nash2z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 01:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are four secessionist movements to my knowledge that have some chance of causing trouble: Southern Illinois Now! (On Facebook, has most of the advantages of Wallace's Southern Homeland), The Second Vermont Republic, rumblings from Texas including comments from Perry (can never rule Texas out, it feels so right), and the NW Imperative (http://www.northwestfront.org/).
We may not have the money to analyze, but natural selection is putting up some candidates. Let's at least agree in principle on secession, and actively support something that is happening on the ground, now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are four secessionist movements to my knowledge that have some chance of causing trouble: Southern Illinois Now! (On Facebook, has most of the advantages of Wallace&#8217;s Southern Homeland), The Second Vermont Republic, rumblings from Texas including comments from Perry (can never rule Texas out, it feels so right), and the NW Imperative (http://www.northwestfront.org/).<br />
We may not have the money to analyze, but natural selection is putting up some candidates. Let&#8217;s at least agree in principle on secession, and actively support something that is happening on the ground, now.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Southern Homeland by Tom Watson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 01:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me engage in a little escapism---the Ohio River Valley controls most of upper South &#38; mid-West.  With the exception of the City of Cinncinati (and excluding Over the Rhine it's not that bad), the Ohio River Valley is almost 100% White. There are jobs there and a temperate climate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me engage in a little escapism&#8212;the Ohio River Valley controls most of upper South &amp; mid-West.  With the exception of the City of Cinncinati (and excluding Over the Rhine it&#8217;s not that bad), the Ohio River Valley is almost 100% White. There are jobs there and a temperate climate.</p>
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