Discussion Time: Morality And The Potential Destruction Of White Civilization

The events surrounding recent battles between the Alt-Right and Antifa – especially the New Orleans debacle – have gotten me wondering about the state of the White Man in the coming years, and wondering whether we honestly (as a collective) have what it takes to save our people.

There are obviously many things that intertwine in the fight against the Jew and his forces, but foremost among everything is the idea of morality and its place in the struggle.

We see among groups like the SCV and other “heritage” organizations the desire to present themselves as chaste and unerring, despite the fact that this strategy has led to defeat upon defeat upon defeat, and among our ranks we still have a split on how to go forward in the best manner possible.

So I want this piece to inspire a debate (not a religious flame-war or outpouring of autism) on how we must adapt for the brutal phases that surely lie ahead.

Follow Morals In Order To Preserve Our Souls

If you argue this stance, you’re guaranteed to touch upon Christianity, which provides us with the tools to make the world a better place that isn’t consumed by barbarism and savagery.

But in truth, it hasn’t only been devout Christians who have made the argument that descending to the level of beasts fails in the long-run:

Pretty simple to understand, right?

Essentially we’re being told that a long enough period of torture, slaughter, and deceit (even for a good cause) has the potential to rip away the very things that one is fighting for in the first place – in the case of the White Race it is the conscience and sense of right and wrong that separates us from the lesser bipeds on this planet.

Abandon the trappings and decorum of civilization to save civilization, and you just may wind up not having anything left internally to pick up the pieces once victory is obtained.

It’s a fair enough warning, but even Nietzche in his deepest madness could not have foreseen what lay ahead in the period roughly a century after his death.

The Enemy Mocks Your Rules And Turns Them Against You

The sad thing about our movement at large (I’m lumping in the Alt-Light, Cuckfederates, and other fools at the moment) is that many still believe that they can play by the old rules of politics and morality when fighting a force like the Jew and his cohorts.

No matter what has happened, these folks still think they can endure with one hand tied behind them – it’s actually a form of mental illness (Stockholm Syndrome?) if you want my honest opinion.

Year after year, and we still have people failing to understand this:

The Jew and Communist do not play by rules of the past, hate your religion and your God, and will turn your morals against you in a second if it means gaining an advantage.

We have seen this last piece come to fruition in our own lifetimes, with religious beliefs and doctrine (which should in theory be static and unchanging due to God’s perfection) warped and bastardized into mockeries of the original.

Now homosexuals are accepted, “turning the other cheek” now means the tolerance of African/Moslem rape-gangs brutalizing White women, worship of the Killers of Christ is commonplace, and the sacred event of personal salvation has become a weekly event for the same degenerates over and over again.

To defeat them, you have to fight fire with fire, steal their methods and turn them into offensive tools, and put aside the ideas of right and wrong to rip them to shreds.

Religious faith and inner goodness can still be maintained throughout, I truly believe, as I have enough confidence in our people to separate seasons of war from seasons of peace – aside from a few psychopaths that will exist regardless of what happens in the world.

Final Conclusions

Really we’re left with two questions that everyone – regardless of whether you’re an SCV cuck, a regular Southern Nationalist, or a straight up Nazi (National Socialist, if you prefer) that believes Hitler didn’t do enough – needs to answer fully as soon as is physically and mentally possible.

  1. Is it immoral to fight for the survival of your culture, civilization, and people by any means necessary?
  2. Is it moral to let your people and all that was created by your people die in the most brutal manner imaginable?

If you can’t honestly answer these questions, you need to remove yourself from the scene until you summon enough manhood and courage to do so.

NOTE: Don’t try to make the religious cop-out that the world is going to come to an end soon, and that therefore negates the need to fight here on Earth. Because honestly, if that argument had been made by White men during the Moslem invasions of Europe in the 700’s or during the Ottoman attacks nearly a millennium later, we would not be here today. 

20 Comments

  1. The problem didn’t begin in the 1960s or even the 1930s. The problem began with Jews and the invention of the printing press.

  2. Adjustment to above. Jews have always been a malignant tumor on mankind but their realization of the power of the printed news was the beginning of the modern mess.

  3. @tz: post-WWII, a defeated Japan aped ‘Murkan values. And from the 1960’s onward adopted the kosher Culture of Death: abortion, porn, faggotry, Judeo-feminism. The reason for the collapse of the Japanese birthrate is thus the same as explains the collapse of the White birthrate in ‘Murka and Europe: terminal Jewification. On the larger issue, the Jew continues to buy (White) consent to self-liquidation via debt-financed .gov jobs, pensions, hand-outs, contracts. Same way the Jew buys consent from non-Whites. When the debtPonzicomnomy collapses, tens of millions of Whites – not to mention the non-Whites – deprived of their pacifier, will become angry…and the Jew will be roughly handled. As will the upper-echelon White shabbatz goyim who fronted for the Jews. I suspect any Blacks, Browns, yellows, Muslims who survive the bloodbath will be amenable to repatriation.

  4. “These discussions would be a lot more productive if the mods would just ban a certain Philly dago yankee from the comments.”

    Oh, yes, your serious discussions, of the level of brutality you should be prepared to engage in when you take over America. My comments strike you jokers as alien only because they’re irruptions of reality into threads that have about as much to do with the real world as does a round of Dungeons & Dragons.

  5. Wow… TZ said everything I’ve been thinking!
    There has to be thought on a location for safety
    after it all falls apart. It doesn’t have to be a state,
    just a place that is overwhelmingly populated by
    like-thinkers, like Amish settlements in Indiana.

  6. We need to realize that strict, honest, unwavering adherence to ONE moral stricture/set of rules is the ONLY way, we are going to succeed. The ‘uncertain voice’ of over 250,000 Protestant sects, cults, and denominations- all with varying systematic theologies, schemas of salvation, means of viewing the “Xenos” and paths to sanctification/divinization, means that we CANNOT have a unified voice in opposing the Antichrist forces out there.

    Cambria put it succinctly this week: “The pride of intellect tells the modern European that he must not bend his knee to anything or anyone. Then why does the leftist liberal genuflect before the negro? And why does the alternative righter bend his knee to reason divorced from the human heart? It’s not the act itself, the bended knee, that is wrong. It is to whom or what we bend our knee. Our people, when they were a people, bent their knees to Christ. Why are we ashamed of them for that submission? I honor them for it, and I kneel as they knelt.”- https://cambriawillnotyield.wordpress.com/2017/05/20/when-hope-seems-nearly-gone/

    We need first to understand the LIES that have passed as Christian ‘Truth’ in the defining of race, nation, kith and kin. Andrew Fraser wrote two very good columns on this back in 2011-
    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2011/12/31/the-protestant-deformation-of-christian-nationhood-part-1/
    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2011/12/31/the-protestant-deformation-of-christian-nationhood-part-2/

    We can no longer hold to the legitimacy of the Jew- his race, his counterfeit religion, his ‘right to exist’ his bogus, lying BULLSHIT ‘Hollow Cause’ or his presence in our government, law courts, or culture!

    Nevertheless, even if you agree with those initial points, how to do it, is the next question. Never fear- the patterns are out there: Cornelius Codreneau had his Iron Legion, and his manuals of how to fight the Hagarene and the Talmudic- for they ARE the Enemy, no exceptions.

    ““We shall create a spiritual atmosphere, a moral atmosphere, in which the heroic man may be born and on which he can thrive. This hero will lead our people on the road of its greatness.” -Corneliu Codreanu
    (read – http://www.amerika.org/texts/codreanu-the-iron-guard/ )

    Unless you start with that truism, you cannot (or should not) engage the battle. Secondly, you cannot expect women to be on your side, at this late stage of the Kulturkampf. The establishment of what some are calling ‘White Sharia’ (or the more Calvinist among us, “Theonomy” is a foundational premise for success.

    Two columns recently over at Daily Stormer point out this Truth.
    NEVER trust a Moslem. NEVER-
    https://www.dailystormer.com/two-white-nationalists-dead-in-insane-moslem-terror-plot/
    Because Islam is merely Judaism without the Torah-
    https://www.dailystormer.com/hagar-ideological-capture-as-a-response-to-the-constraints-of-jewish-ethnic-exclusivism/

    Secondly, never give a woman power over you- Your task, White Men, is to RULE OVER HER. Restoring the Patriarchy should be Goal #2- after the elimination/expulsion/ostracization of jew and Hagarene.
    https://www.dailystormer.com/just-what-are-traditional-gender-roles/

    We need to overturn ANY notion that women are our Equals, or that they have a right to exist, apart from the “Covering’ of their Men.

    “The very being or legal existence of the woman is suspended during the marriage, or at least is incorporated and consolidated into that of the husband: under whose wing, protection, and cover, she performs every thing;” – Blackstone LAW COMMENTARIES. (See blog post above)

    There’s a few bullet points to start ruminating on, Gentlemen.

  7. What fish, Billy Ray?

    Because so far it’s one tool of a Prot and bunch of Roman – and some weak Irish – Catholics positioned to deal the deathblow to whites.

    Really, whose lunacy should we purge here?

    I don’t hate the rank and file white Catholics, but I also don’t delude myself about who they bow before.

  8. “the world is going to come to an end soon, and that therefore negates the need to fight here on Earth.”

    Anyone making that argument should be considered to be working for our enemies, unwittingly or otherwise. I’m looking at you, CF.

  9. “Anyone making that argument should be considered to be working for our enemies, unwittingly or otherwise.” – Carl

    I would concur. That’s an even more pernicious Worldview, than that of Bone of Contention!

  10. Onceler
    MAY 22, 2017 AT 12:00 PM
    What fish, Billy Ray?

    Because so far it’s one tool of a Prot and bunch of Roman – and some weak Irish – Catholics positioned to deal the deathblow to whites.Really, whose lunacy should we purge here? I don’t hate the rank and file white Catholics, but I also don’t delude myself about who they bow before.

    Onceler

    I have no idea what you’re talking about, the Protestants are even more Cucked than the Catholics. Thank God I am NEITHER however right now I am all about concentrating on JEWS JEWS JEWS. The other things are lower on my totem pole. The JEW is the bigger fish to Fry

  11. The jews hide behind their proxies and partners, which would be the Roman Catholics in general – the italians mostly – with some starring roles for the irish catholics, as we see in Trump’s administration.

    Don’t play dumb.

  12. That is not to say the Protestant political class hasn’t sold out (they have), but that it becomes less tenable as time goes on for them to pretend they have the welfare of their people in mind – which is why Trump isn’t using them as much.

    So we need to press right back at that weak spot. The anglos have had enough and won’t continue to tolerate the situation.

  13. @ Preston Brooks

    These discussions would be a lot more productive if the mods would just ban a certain Philly dago yankee from the comments.

    He has his flaws, but he’s a better man than all you SN southern scum put together.

    Look, the south is going down, pal – down. That’s all there really is to it.

    Good riddance, I say.

  14. Fr. John+, Ann Coulter shows more leadership skills than all of the autistic, I need traditionalism to get laid racemixers put together, just sayin.

  15. Lulz – I can’t even begin to fathom what the heck you were trying to say in your last utterance, unless you were attempting an insult. And Ann Coulter is a woman. Women cannot lead. And only a cuck would want a woman to lead…. FWIW

  16. Onceler
    MAY 23, 2017 AT 12:01 AM
    The jews hide behind their proxies and partners, which would be the Roman Catholics in general – the italians mostly – with some starring roles for the irish catholics, as we see in Trump’s administration.

    Don’t play dumb.

    AGAIN, it isn’t the Catholics licking the toes of the Jews over Israel, that would be the Southern Baptists toe licking over Israel. Now if you wish to talk about the Papacy, fine. However from what I see I do not see hordes of Catholics in the USA bending over for the Jews, like I do the Zionist Christians largely in Southern States. I think you’re not seeing very clearly

  17. Charles Sumner
    MAY 23, 2017 AT 5:31 AM
    @ Preston Brooks

    These discussions would be a lot more productive if the mods would just ban a certain Philly dago yankee from the comments.

    He has his flaws, but he’s a better man than all you SN southern scum put together.Look, the south is going down, pal – down. That’s all there really is to it. Good riddance, I say.

    NICE TRY SCHLOMO, YOU WIN A GOLDEN STAR

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