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Live Thread: Third 2016 Presidential Debate

The Final Debate

Open thread.

Note: The Horserace will resume shortly after the debate.

It is pointless to keep track of all these bouncy polls. It is notable that the IBD/TIPP poll out today has Hillary +3 in the 2-way race and Trump +1 in the 4-way race. This was the most accurate poll in 2012 and I have been waiting for a while to see it updated.

  • Paul Defender

    What have you done except bitch on Twitter?

  • Paul Defender

    What have you done except anonymously bitch on Twitter?

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  • Paul Defender

    I don’t either. These poison pill losers should be purged. They are toxic.

  • Paul Defender

    Yeah, it’s “Hitler worship” when you hang on every word uttered by a long-dead psycho hated by everyone who isn’t a complete nut and go crazy whenever anyone brings up some obscure fact about the NAZIS that you don’t agree with. You have too much time on your hands cat lady.

  • Paul Defender

    “I think American Nationalists are better off getting behind the Gadsen Flag and knocking off the HItler Worship.”

    /////

    Yay! Someone with an IQ above Forrest Gump’s. Amazing how these losers think that babbling about the technicalities of NAZI vs communist means anything to normal, non-nut-jobs. Like I said, these losers turn off sane, smart people like me who might ordinarily have some sympathy. If this is the best you people can muster, give it up. Maybe I should, too.

  • silviosilver ?????? ?????????

    Nazism is universally recognized as a variant of fascism and violence (often framed as some kind of ‘heroic struggle’) was indeed central to it.

    Nazis were absolutely committed to using violence to get their way and to maintain their hold on power. They were certainly not going to let themselves be voted out.

    I don’t disagree with the points you make in the rest of your post, but in my view fascism has some deeply undesirable and troubling features and I refuse to blind myself to them just because, in the short term, it could bring about a badly needed change of direction. In the long run, the uncompromising (aka unthinking) strength of will it promotes leads to all sorts of problems.

  • silviosilver ?????? ?????????

    They weren’t ‘ruled’ by foreign powers. You lose a war, you have certain conditions imposed on you. It’s been that way since time immemorial. I mean, fuck, the Prussians sure weren’t slow to impose harsh peace settlements on other countries during their rise to prominence.

    As for reading Genesis, screw that. There’s good Jew-crit and then there’s loon-level Jew-crit, and your suggestion reeks of the latter. It’s very doubtful that even happened anyway. It sounds more like a vengeful fantasy cooked up by a vengeful people.

  • Jack

    Here’s another for you,FDR would of let you hogs Waller in the muck,(((the great depression)))if not for the Germans standing up for themselves during their (((depression))).He was forced to copy Hitler and socialize you through the conservation Corp.WW2 saved your(((economy))).
    See what your leader was doing at that time,for starters,suppressing this book,”no God next door”red rule in Mexico and our responsibility. Michael Kenny 1935 . Do an Amazon book review on it.
    Many more titles for you,I can reference my facts.

  • silviosilver ?????? ?????????

    Hitler and FDR came to power at the same time. FDR set about implementing his economic program from the moment he assumed power. One could therefore make the (equally specious) claim that Hitler copied FDR. (In reality, the idea of ‘socialistic’ economic reform was part of the intellectual air that was breathed in that era; such ideas were popular all across the west, and were immediately put into practise after the war ended.)

    Anyway, I’m guessing you’re German? Well, if you want to talk harsh peace settlements, the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk that Germany imposed on Russia (before losing the war on the western front) was considerably harsher than the Treaty of Versailles that was imposed on Germany. Nazis have a curious habit of overlooking such points in their effort to portray themselves as victims.

  • Jack

    The book first.Have some respect.

  • Jack

    FDR started his economic program by making the mass murderer Stalin his trading partner.
    55 million people died to get Germany back on the gold standard,check out that book I told you about.

  • Jack

    “Your Socialistic economic reform” is called communism,
    “It was popular across the west”,are you kidding me,it was the end of your constitutional republic,”immediately put into practice after the war ended”,you hung yourself there.
    And I live in Looney land,you can’t even defend your own system of government,don’t you need to change your constitution to socialist economic people,eating out of Jacobs hand.(((communist welfare state)))
    This BS is coming to a head real soon.
    Is world socialism in the air?
    Lennin wanted to secure his Russian state,and destroy the ancient nobility,the white army,they didn’t care about Brest litovsk at the time,notice how the (((powers)))ended the bloodbath of WW1 right after Lennin assumed power,and told Germany they lost the war,that is the Animus, plus the alien (((carpetbaggers)))who came in to Germany after the war,that got the WW1 veterans to take back power in Germany and the reason (((international finance)))destroyed them.
    55 million people died to get Germany back on the gold standard.

  • Armoric

    Nazism is universally recognized as a variant of fascism

    “Nazism” and fascim are officially described by ZOG as evil cults for evil White morons. It’s the same as opposing race replacement. Honest discussion is not allowed. College history professors are closely watched by the ADL. Even Trump is described as a fascist by the subtle Jews.

    and violence (often framed as some kind of ‘heroic struggle’) was indeed central to it.

    I’ve heard that half a dozen political opponents were executed under Mussolini’s rule, while the Jews in the USSR killed a few dozen million. Heroic struggle doesn’t mean you kill everybody. It goes together with moral fortitude, keeping physically fit, the sense of effort, the sense of tragedy, and so on. It’s just a way to give meaning to your life. It’s the contrary of what the Jews want for White people.

    Nazis were absolutely committed to using violence to get their way and to maintain their hold on power. They were certainly not going to let themselves be voted out.

    Hitler was popular with the Germans. But the Jews in the French, British, and American governments were absolutely committed to starting WW2 to get him out of power. Just like the Jews want Hillary to start WW3 to get rid of Putin.

    I disagree with your insinuation that the only reason the Nazis attacked the Soviets was to preempt a Soviet attack on themselves

    I think the Soviet threat was reason enough. Hitler probably still wished he could expand his territory, but I don’t think he made any plans. The important thing was to destroy the Judeo-Sovietic power.

    expansion eastwards was a long-standing geopolitical objective of the pre-Nazi ‘pan-German’ nationalist movement.

    Russia actually took advantage of its victory to expand and reduce German territory. It now has 17,000,000 km², while today’s Germany has 357,000 km². The idea of expanding German territory had little to do with the idea of heroic struggle. It was more like Captain Chaos’ idea of securing the North-West of the USA for himself and his friends.

    National-socialism looks to me like a traditionalist/conservative movement. There was a lot of debate and no very well defined ideology. What’s really special about it is that Hitler was also a man of action. He was able to take power and act on his principles. There’s nothing sinister there.


    As a conclusion, Lew11 is right: “anyone who brings up the Nazis as an example of unjustified political violence is a moron or a person with a lot left to learn.”

  • Clytemnestra

    Hey Paul, even though I know where it’s coming from, I can’t stop my own Whiskey Tango Foxtrot reaction when I see Americans dressed like German SS men and marching behind what was briefly a German flag. I don’t hate Hitler or even Nazis, they just aren’t really relevant to Americans no matter how brainwashed even American WNists to think otherwise have been by all these Holocaust Flicks.

    I mean, we Americans fought Kaiser Wilhelm, too, but any obsession with him ended right after he was beaten in WWI. That’s how I see Hitler, he lost, the end.

    American Nationalists just don’t get European racism. Before Europe lost her mind and flooded her own continent with so-called people of color, everyone there was referring to “the races of Europe.” Even then, Americans would be baffled by the idea. Because all they could see was White people, just like home. In Hitler, they see a White man who stood up against the Jews, a majority of whom looked distinct enough from the European population as a whole to stand out.

    If HItler won, there would be a large percentage of the American population that he would pure as unacceptable unless they could prove they were pure German or Scandinavian or English. There was already intermarriage among the White ethnics back then so he would write them off as mongrels.

    Our curse from jump street, a large population of feral diversities has also been our blessing. Oh, we have our extremist fringe of Nordicists and anti-Catholics, but for the most part, we have always been forced to show some vestiges of racial solidarity because we knew unless we did, our throats would be cut by the Non-Whites who shared territory with us.

    Hitler’s type of racism still lives on with Europeans. I got into a quarrel with a British guy who denied that he was a European. I had to tell him that England was part of Europe like Cape Cod was part of Massachusetts which is part of the USA.

    Another time I jumped all over a German and a Pole who were going at each other on the internet with such viciousness it was very disturbing. I told them I wanted to grab them both by the scuff of the neck and bang their heads together for being so stupid as to fight in a burning house. Neither one knew what I was talking about until I pointed out that killing each other had left a vacuum tor treacherous EU politicians to fill with Muslims who would rape, rob and kill both their children if they couldn’t pull their heads out of their asses. And I reminded them that this was only about six hundred years after Germans and Poles had united to repel the Turks from the Gates of Vienna.

    That was Hitler’s mentality in a nutshell. If Hitler didn’t hold Slavs in such disdain, he’d have struck alliances with his neighbors to East and they would have fortified his troops there, providing a buffer from any Soviet invasion. He could have then focused all his efforts to the West and won WWII that way.

    Franco remains a great WN for other WNs to emulate. He supported Hitler by sending troops to assist him against the Communists on the Eastern front. He refused to allow himself to be talked into rounding up Spanish Jews and putting them into camps like Mussolini did. His territorial ambitions and cultural aspirations never went beyond Spain. IOW, he engaged in no efforts to send another Armada against England, for example. That’s why Franco survived and Mussolini didn’t.

    My big hope is that European right wing parties become populated by little Francos. And that they join forces against the Muslim invasion like the Polish under Jan Sobieski did with Germans under Ernst Rudiger von Starhemburg and Ludwig Wilhelm to defend Vienna from the Ottoman empire.

    My wish all American Nationalists including Southerners is that we unite behind the Gadsen Flag, overturn this Constitution that is killing us and go back to the Articles of Confederation. I honestly think if every state had dismissed any representative who signed off on the Constitution and its Bill of Rights that the War Between The States would have never happened.

  • silviosilver ?????? ?????????

    “Nazism” and fascim are officially described by ZOG as evil cults for evil White morons. It’s the same as opposing race replacement.

    “Fascist” long ago became a largely meaningless epithet, but nonetheless there are several distinguishing traits that make up fascist ideology and scholars, by and large (all save for devout Marxists), have done a fairly good job of objectively explaining them. Virtually none of these scholars writes approvingly of fascism, but so what? People have a right to object to what they find distasteful and undesirable about fascism; this doesn’t require Jewish ‘watch dogs’ looking over the shoulder.

    Opposition to race-replacement would receive a much fairer hearing, I believe, if the people who mounted the sternest resistance to race-replacement were not themselves either outright fascists or heavily sympathetic to fascism. Their efforts have created the illusion that opposing race-replacement requires fascism, that if you oppose race-replacement you must be a fascist. It is just fucking disgraceful that until very, very recently the only people speaking out against race-replacement were hate-crazed WN neo-fascist fuckwits. (Oh wait – that’s just a lie Jews tell, right? WNs – those gentle souls – have never promoted hatred of anyone!)

    I’ve heard that half a dozen political opponents were executed under Mussolini’s rule, while the Jews in the USSR killed a few dozen million.

    Then you’ve heard wrong. Excluding the starvation from the Ukrainian famine, the empirical evidence available suggests that political executions and deaths in labor camps amount to no more than 2-2.5 million people. That’s a lot of people, of course, but nowhere near the wildly exaggerated figures that get bandied about. And please, as if all that was solely the handiwork of Jews – this idiot-level Jew-crit that convince nobody except WNs. Chinese and Cambodian commies eagerly employed brutality towards political opponents without the guiding hand of the Jew – doesn’t that tell you something?

    Heroic struggle doesn’t mean you kill everybody. It goes together with moral fortitude, keeping physically fit, the sense of effort, the sense of tragedy, and so on. It’s just a way to give meaning to your life.

    It’s not “just” a way to give meaning to your life; according to fascists, it’s the only way to give meaning to life. And the pinnacle of heroic struggle in the fascist view is war. I see this sentiment (or something close it) expressed by WNs all the time. The absence of heroism in contemporary society renders life meaningless to them. If you embrace other values besides the ‘heroic ideal’ you are a ‘degenerate.’

    Countless millions of liberals demonstrate moral fortitude, keep physically fit, make a determined effort to achieve their goals etc without becoming fascists. It’s notable you included a ‘sense of the tragic’ in your list. That seemed very out of place. Good tragedy is very emotionally arousing and provides important life lessons, but this is rather different to cultivating (or promoting) a sense of the tragic. Personally, I really fail to see how a sense of tragedy is in any way superior to a ‘sense of optimism.’

    Hitler was popular with the Germans. But the Jews in the French, British, and American governments were absolutely committed to starting WW2 to get him out of power.

    Yes Hitler was popular, but saying doesn’t address my point. The democratic masses are fickle (as the Nazis understood very well) – you’re popular today, you’re nobody tomorrow. The Nazis simply had no intention of ceding power to their political opponents if their regime at some point became unpopular. That is a fact you need to deal with.

    The fact that Jews in French, British and American governments wanted Hitler gone doesn’t change the fact that non-Jews in French, British and American governments had reasons of their own (not necessarily the same reasons as Jews’) for opposing Hitler’s foreign policy. That’s another fact you need to come to terms with.

    I think the Soviet threat was reason enough. Hitler probably still wished he could expand his territory, but I don’t think he made any plans. The important thing was to destroy the Judeo-Sovietic power.

    I don’t think the evidence bears this view out at all, but if even if you are correct, in retrospect, do you think Hitler’s approach to dealing with the threat made good sense? Was launching an invasion after first totally antagonising and alienating Germany’s most powerful potential allies (France, Britain, USA) the most sensible way of countering the commie threat?

    The idea of expanding German territory had little to do with the idea of heroic struggle. It was more like Captain Chaos’ idea of securing the North-West of the USA for himself and his friends.

    No one in 1939 was arguing that Germany shouldn’t be German – totally different to USA 2016. Germans in the 1930s didn’t require heroic struggle to secure what was already secure.

    Russia actually took advantage of its victory to expand and reduce German territory. It now has 17,000,000 km², while today’s Germany has 357,000 km².

    Do you really think that this banal observation is clever winning rhetoric? Obviously Russia was enormously larger than Germany even before the war. Only a tiny fraction of her territory today is attributable to victory in WWII. Germany, on the other hand, has been considerably reduced in size as a direct consequence of starting the war with Russia. Defeat in war is often costly and painful, there’s no denying it. Sadly, it was the Germans themselves who recklessly gambled that territory away. My sympathies are with the German victims of the mass expulsions which accompanied the territorial losses – it was no less than an horrific anti-German genocide about which far too little is known.

    What’s really special about it is that Hitler was also a man of action.

    He was also a myopic, narrow-minded, delusional fool – failings for which all Europeans are today paying the price.

  • silviosilver ?????? ?????????

    There’s nothing immoral about abortion. It plays a crucial role in demographic management. I am very grateful to live in an advanced society that has fully embraced it.

  • Fr. John+

    My wife doesn’t understand women of her own gender either! It’s one of the reasons why I married her she thought logically and rationally before we had met. We have also inculcated that in our own daughter.

  • Armoric

    You are full of BS. For example, you talk as if the Jews were not responsible for the ban on free and open discussion of WW2 ! (and its magical gas chambers).

    PS:
    Yes, I mistakenly wrote “sense of tragedy” instead of “sense of the tragic”. Sorry.

  • silviosilver ?????? ?????????

    You are full of BS.

    Lol, yeah okay.

    For example, you talk as if the Jews were not responsible for the ban on free and open discussion of WW2 ! (and its magical gas chambers).

    I never said anything of the sort. There’s no question they’ve been the main driving force behind such bans.

  • Abort yourself.

  • If he cucks, he sucks!

  • No, no…she meant open borders for birds…or radio signals…or clouds…

  • It’s in the shadow of the reflection of the ghost of the penumbra of the con stitution.

  • RUSSIA!

  • silviosilver ?????? ?????????

    Abortion is here to stay. Deal with it.

    Just think: if only Mary could have aborted Yeshua bin Yusef, the world could have been spared the scourge of Christianity.

  • Sam

    No one who truly understands the history of Europe and the effing jews would say he was a nut or psycho.