Creative Loafing on Tom Watson Rally

Georgia

Creative Loafing in Atlanta has written an article about the Tom Watson rally:

“State officials’ plans to remove a statue outside the Georgia Capitol that has long paid tribute to Georgia politician, author, and self-described white supremacist Thomas Watson is expected to face opposition this weekend.

Two groups, the Council of Conservative Citizens and the League of the South, have scheduled a demonstration tomorrow to oppose the state’s decision to relocate the controversial Watson statue from the Georgia State Capitol’s front steps.

Last month, Governor Deal signed an executive order to relocate the 12-foot-tall statue across the street to Plaza Park, he wrote, as part of forthcoming renovations at the Gold Dome. Georgia Building Authority Spokesman Paul Melvin previously told CL that the statue would not be moved back to its current location due to high costs associated with transporting the statue a second time.

Organizers behind this weekend’s protest have called the Watson statue’s removal “an abject capitulation to political correctness and a heinous assault on our Southern heritage.” John Preston, one of the organizers, told CL in an email that they don’t “see any difference between the destruction of Buddhist monuments by the Taliban in Afghanistan and the PC liberals in Georgia who want to remove the Tom Watson statue.” …

38 Comments

  1. “see any difference between the destruction of Buddhist monuments by the Taliban in Afghanistan and the PC liberals in Georgia who want to remove the Tom Watson statue.” – top notch frame control there.

  2. good comment about the taliban… it also says “front of the State Capitol because of Watson’s racist, anti-Semitic and anti-Catholic views….” Mark my word, as more latinization, the anti-catholic meme will replace “anti-semitism.” Like the kennedy anniversary t.v. shows, comments by the mainstream media about their persecution; O’Reilly said yesterday (on a spot with a black about oprah’s remarks) that he felt catholics in u.s. had been more persecuted than blacks. The black disagreed, etc.

  3. In preparing my talking-points for this event, I was trying to figure out what was so *uniquely* southern about Tom Watson.

    There is a uniquely “Southern” worldview that allows for a spectrum of political thought, part of which is made up of the “populism” for which Watson is famous. But the entire southern worldview is being trampled by action against this monument – not just Watson’s particular ideals.

    Further – if we’re inclined to argue from the standpoint of contemporary liberals, we might suggest that removing the monuments of the past is always wrong; they should stand to remind us where we came from.

    I’ll be sticking to some variation of this if I’m fortunate enough to discuss it with a passerby.

  4. As a former white separatist and racialist, I challenge you to a formal debate concerning the philosophical legitimacy of your belief ideological beliefs.

  5. Conservative re: “a formal debate concerning the philosophical legitimacy…”

    Bugger philosophy. Reality trumps philosophy. I live in South Africa. I don’t need your philosophical legitimacy to justify what I see every day with my own eyes.

    As a “former racialist”, you are an anomaly. Most people, having once understood the truth, are immune to the propaganda.

    Go back to debating that angels on a pinhead question. More productive.

    Denise, I saw your comments on that CBS report about the jews caught up in the knockout king game. Good work. I was amazed you weren’t censored. Is the dam bursting?

  6. I disagree with Mr. Analog,

    I’ve devoted quite a bit of my time to shoring up the epistemological foundation of the Southern worldview of our ancestors (which, unsurprisingly, entertains clear doctrines of social stratification, segregation, and race-based class analysis).

    If Mr. “Conservative” wants a debate on these matters, I can say from experience – he’s got to jump in the back of a very long line of would-be challengers.

    Why should anyone here care to debate you Mr. Conservative? What interesting position do you hold? Do you have a non-arbitrary, internally-coherent political philosophy that you’d like to bring to bear against Dixie?

    I think you’ll find that, while we lost the war, our ideals are, nevertheless, far superior to what followed.

  7. A great quote I read just this morning:

    “If the mind lives alone, if the mind tries to survive on its own waste, it becomes disordered.
    Sanity is a function of purpose.
    Remove the spiritual props, the cultural reinforcements,
    the time-tested morale builders, the four-dimensional insurance of
    family, race, nation and church,
    and the delicate balance of the human mentality can easily crack.”

    http://www.counter-currents.com/2013/11/on-wilmot-robertson/

  8. Shotgun,

    Have at him, then, but include me out.

    You’ve heard the expression, “the map is not the territory”. In the same way, philosophy is not reality. Philosophies, religions, sciences are all models of reality. Some model different aspects of reality better than others do; just as Newton’s theory of gravitation was an adequate model, until it wasn’t.

    I’m by no means questioning the value of a good map to the territory, but when someone tries to sell me a map that doesn’t show the mountain that I can see right in front of me, I don’t buy it. Anybody who wants to debate the legitimacy of my philosophy, had better not be starting from the premise that all races are equal. Debating a “former racialist” is a waste of time. He’s already heard it all, and rejected it in favour of his fairy tales.

  9. Seeing as none of the conservatards I’ve challenged on twitter are man enough to defend their indefensible garbage, I relish the opportunity to challenge the cretin that has found his way to the Occidental Dissent:

    “As a former white separatist and racialist, I challenge you to a formal debate concerning the philosophical legitimacy of your belief ideological beliefs.”

    AnalogMan is correct is that a map isn’t needed to understand the territory, but both myself and Shotgun will crush you even within the confines of the map (that map being philosophy). Here’s your first challenge before we can proceed further: Prove to us that the races are created equal. If you can’t do that, than you’ve already lost.

  10. “Bugger philosophy. Reality trumps philosophy.”

    ^ In itself a philosophical position.

    Again, I challenge Hunter Wallace to a formal debate on his ideology.

    I am 100% confident I can shatter your cherished beliefs into a million pieces through logic and reason alone.

  11. “Prove to us that the races are created equal. If you can’t do that, than you’ve already lost.”

    I don’t need to prove that because it isn’t my position.

    What I offer is a thorough refutation of “pro-white” ideology.

    If you are indifferent to truth, you will not accept my challenge to a formal debate on the matter.

  12. What is it that Conservative wishes to conserve? Might it be the Enlightenment-based liberal tradition of the USA, including democracy, equality and universalism? There is nothing Rightwing or traditional about conserving a Leftist experiment and/or worldview.

  13. Tom Watson, descendent of Quaker grandparents on both sides, was always ‘weak’ on Biblical Christianity, devoted lifelong to Voltaire!

  14. Any news reports at all by mainstream media since the protest?

    I just noticed this (however not related directly) from Atlanta Daily World, two days before the protest: http://atlantadailyworld.com/2013/11/21/state-rep-tyrone-books-cheers-removal-of-thomas-watsons-statue-from-georgia-capitol/ :

    ‘We are elated by the proposed removal of the Tom Watson statue and we would like to see the statues of Sen. Richard Russell, Gov. Eugene Talmadge, and Confederate General John B. Gordon also removed from the State Capitol, as well as all the other statues which we consider offensive, said Representative Brooks. I link the removal of the Watson statue to the victory in the removal of the 1956 Georgia State Flag. But this is not the end of the situation or the problem. We must continue to petition the Governor and other state leaders that these old racist artifacts must be not only removed from the grounds of the Georgia State Capitol, but replaced by African-American, Native American, and Asian American monuments which represent the Georgia of today’.

  15. Mosin Nagant says:

    ‘I just noticed this (however not related directly) from Atlanta Daily World, two days before the protest’

    Two comments to article.

    Ograf
    Historical revision ? The gig is up, it is time for all White Americans to acknowledge everything great was invented by African Americans, and Why anyone would hang a child rapist , especially a Jewish one is beyond comprehension. Must be all those raciss yt’s

    Jay
    “African-American, Native American, and Asian American monuments which represent the Georgia of today”

    So monuments to a unique culture need to be torn down and monuments for everybody else living in the state need to be erected? And Diversity isn’t about de-whitening America? Gimme a break. I want all cultures and peoples to continue to exist. Trying to eliminate a unique and distinct culture is wrong. This article blatantly pushes that southerners are less than human.

  16. Conservative,

    “I don’t need to prove that because it isn’t my position.”

    Say it ain’t so! Well, you passed Test 1. Maybe this will go somewhere.

    “What I offer is a thorough refutation of “pro-white” ideology.”

    Start refuting. What is it about the pro-White movement that you think is faulty?

  17. Off topic though distantly related to the politically correct view of evil white nature of Tom Watson is the view of the evil nature of the white settlers of Plymouth Bay Colony, and their hypocritical, sinister, multiracial ‘Thanksgiving’ of 1621. American Indian groups declare this a Day of Mourning.

    ‘Puritans dealt treacherously with their benefactors, the Native Americans, who welcomed them and helped them to survive their first years here. The Puritans massacred a neighboring town of friendly Pequots in 1637, setting fire to the village and slaughtering the villagers as they tried to escape the flames. Some 900 men, women and children were murdered by the same Puritans who claimed that their settlement was to be “the model of Christian charity”. One of the Pilgrim officers of that expedition gave insight into the Pequots they encountered: “The Indians spying of us came running in multitudes along the water side, crying ‘What cheer, Englishmen, what cheer, what do you come for?’. They not thinking we intended war went on cheerfully.” Historian Francis Jennings wrote of Captain John Mason’s attack: “Mason proposed to avoid attacking Pequot warriors, which would have overtaxed his unseasoned, unreliable troops. Battle, as such, was not his purpose. Battle is only one of the ways to destroy an enemy’s will to fight. Massacre can accomplish the same end with less risk, and Mason had determined that massacre would be his objective.” In Howard Zinns’ book, A People’s History of the United States, one of the Pilgrims on the expedition is quoted as saying: “The Captain also said, We must Burn Them; and immediately stepping into the wigwam….brought out a Fire Brand, and putting it into the Matts with which they were covered, set the Wigwams on Fire.” William Bradford, in his History of the Plymouth Plantation, described the carnage: “Those that scaped the fire were slaine with the sword; some hewed to peeces, others rune throw with their rapiers, so as they were quickly dispatche, and very few escaped. It was conceived they thus destroyed about 400 at this time. It was a fearful sight to see them thus frying in the fyer, and the streams of blood quenching the same, and horrible was the stincke and sente there of, but the victory seemed a sweet sacrifice, and they gave the prayers thereof to God, who had wrought so wonderfully for them, thus to inclose their enemies in their hands, and gave them so speedy a victory over so proud and insulting an enemie.” Cotton Mather, one of the more odious and obdurate Pilgrim leaders, wrote: “It was supposed that no less than 600 souls were brought down to Hell that day”. Mather, in his Annals of Christ in America, wrote: “I do, with all conscience of truth,…report the wonderful displays of His infinite power, wisdom, goodness, and faithfulness, wherewith His divine providence hath irradiated an Indian wilderness”. Indeed! Having laid down their weapons and accepted Christianity, the Pequots were rewarded with a vicious and cowardly slaughter by their new “brothers in Christ”. Francis Jennings said: “The terror was very real among the Indians. They drew lessons from the Peqout War: (1) that the Englishmen’s most solemn pledge would be broken whenever obligation conflicted with advantage; (2) that the English way of war had no limit of scruple and mercy”. The Pilgrims justified their conquest by appealing to the Bible, Psalms 2:8: “Ask of me, and I shall give thee, the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.” The use of force to take this “inheritance” was justified by citing Romans 13:2: “Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.” (…) Unfamiliar with war targeted at civilians, for the first time Native Tribes experience the total devastating effects of warfare practiced by Europeans.’ http:/www.COMMONSENSE/lenape.html

  18. All European colonizers of the globe were flat out conquistadors. This is not news, Mosin. Just ask any wog! Here for Thanksgiving Day is Hugh Masekela’s take on it:

  19. Yes, I know they were genocidal, Rudel.

    I gave up trying to follow the lyrics in that African music/noise.

  20. Zinn could be seen as a writer who sets up the justification for exterminating the Anglo-Saxon population in America. That’s precisely his aim with such a book.

    How long could a Neolithic hunter gather coexist with a modern man?

  21. “Is there a single poem In English that competes with this one?”

    Sure. How about Shakespeare’s Henry V speech right before the Battle of Agincourt?

    Anyway how can a wimp like you even judge any of these thing? You’ve never tasted battle.

  22. So? You said English and without any qualifications whatsoever. The ancient spoken version of Beowulf probably isn’t even English or even East Anglian at all since it celebrates a Dane helping out some Swedes.

  23. It’s a Geat helping a Dane…technically. Anyway. Hamlet. Othello. Merchant of Venice…

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