Antebellum Christianity and Southern Racialism

Virginia

Here’s an excerpt from David Goldfield’s America Aflame: How the Civil War Created a Nation:

“Slavery had made the black man in America, in a few centuries,” Virginia jurist William C. Daniell explained in 1852, “what thousands of years had failed to accomplish for him at home, cultivating the aptitudes of the negro race for civilization and Christianity.”

As Daniell’s boast implied, it was incumbent upon White Americans, as part of their Christian duty, to rescue inferior races by offering instruction and the possibility of salvation. This was a key argument of white southerners for the institution of slavery, that it raised a downtrodden race from its primitive African origins to the possibility of salvation through Jesus Christ, inculcated discipline, and fashioned a family life unburdened by the need or concern for daily subsistence.”

I have always loved the nineteenth century.

In the nineteenth century, the Jewish Question was remarkably muted, and racial equality was contested in America between Northern and Southern Christians. In the South, Christianity was always invoked to justify racialism, slavery, and white supremacy. In parts of the North, Christianity often clashed with all these things, most famously with the abolitionists.

While researching the origins of the “Golden Circle,” I learned this was also true of Cuba. In Cuba, the Catholic Church also justified racialism, slavery, and white supremacy. This seems to have been true of all slave-based plantation societies with the exception of foreign born Baptist and Methodist missionaries operating in the British West Indies.

Update: More on the “incompatibility” of racialism and Christianity:

“It was not coincidental that the white southerners who took back their governments from black and white Republicans were called Redeemers, nor that the process through which it occurred was called Redemption. The term “redemption” was, of course, in widespread in America prior to the Civil War, especially among evangelicals. It referred to the process by which Jesus sacrificed His life to rescue sinful mankind from God’s wrath. The term implied a new birth as those who come to Christ are cleansed of their sins and saved “unton a new life eternal.”

Confederates talked of “redeeming” their states from Union control during the Civil War. After the war, the term usually implied a two-step process. Redemption would cleanse southern sins and therefore restore the Lord’s blessing on the South that He had withdrawn, as evidenced by defeat. It would remove “the yoke of Yankee and negro rule.” Redemption, therefore, would secure for white southerners the victory denied to them in the Civil War. The process toward Redemption was clear. As an Alabama editor declared in 1871, “The road to Redemption is under the white banner.” White southerners employed evangelical Protestantism to recreate an antebellum regime cleansed of sin. White religion in the South became the handmaiden of white supremacy.”

How strange.

According to some White Nationalists, racialism and Christianity are irreconcilable, yet our own history shows us otherwise.

stonelifter
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Don’ t fail for those people’ s lies. they did away with slavery for economic reasons and not for moral issues

Earl Butz
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You only have to look at all of the miscegenation that occured in Cuba prior to 1960 when the Catholic church was firmly established in Cuba! What % of Cuban population was of mestizo-zambo origin in 1960? 90%? More? Less? Let’s face this too—a lot of White Cubans ain’t all that White either. LOL.

Metal Gear / Iceman
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In America, the Catholic Church was never racialist. Protestants sometimes were Jim Crow racialists.

Mosin Nagant
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“Slavery had made the black man in America, in a few centuries…what thousands of years had failed to accomplish for him at home, cultivating the aptitudes of the negro race for civilization and Christianity.” Not really so. It was really like having applied tons of fertiliser to sand and declaring it productive soil, when the development of true topsoil out of sand requires at least thousands if not millions of years. What was really accomplished by the heavy importation of sand on the fertile topsoil was to dilute and reduce (perhaps permanently) the natural fertility of the topsoil — all… Read more »
Mosin Nagant
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“I have always loved the nineteenth century. In the nineteenth century, the Jewish Question was remarkably muted….”

The muted nineteenth century set fruit that ripened in the twentieth.

Fr. John+
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“None of the apostate “Christianities” you cite in your post could have relied on the Bible, which teaches the principle of Separation from cover to cover — and where the Israelites were commanded not to live among, but drive out or destroy ALL of the non-Israelites in their Promised Land — NOT allowing them to keep any or bring more in to live among them for use as slaves.” I would agree… and disagree with Mosin. Just as in Antebellum Dixie, so, too, in ‘Israel’ (quotes used to differentiate the biblical nation, from the apostate ‘nation-state’ of modern “Isra-Hell” over… Read more »
Denise
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The JD (Jewish Disaster) was “muted” in the 19th Century, because they hadn’t got their claws into EVERY institution in the West, at that point. Whites were still in control. The Church had not yet been wholly corrupted. The Marxists (Jews) used Race as a weapon against Whites. The promotion of race-mixing was a chief stratagem to get Whites to destroy themselves. Come on. You know this. The fact that you assert your love for the 19th Century, when Whites were doing amazing things, and then note that the “JQ was muted” indicates that you would like them to just… Read more »
Fr. John+
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And, Hunter, as we all know, the Sepharvim are completely different from the AshkeNAZIS.

Dixiegirl
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What Earl says returns to my idea that the key u.s. factor is really the Romanization of the country, the move from 1965 Immigration Act for it to become (as it nearly has now) from 90% Northwest Euro Protestant nation (ethno-nation) to nearly majority catholic. Now, one can argue they are not “real catholics,” as people do. Or argue over WHERE the problem occurs (1100, Fr. John, Vatican II, WWII, etc…) But the fact is, the —as Fr. John puts it— “conquest = conversion” meme is way older than u.s. And much more prevalent in the u.s. since Hart-Celler, etc.,… Read more »
Dixiegirl
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Ethno-natioanlism is the opposite of trauma-based control of populations.

Sadly—- no one who has gained can Admit that the U.S. was ethno-nationalist before. (“For us and our Posterity.) To say so, (many newer-comers feel) is to de-legitimate themselves. So— how do you give southerners, colonials “a voice,” and yet still keep all the gains you made in getting power?

—they wanted to run the society, but they wanted to run the wasp society, not this new society they created (in order to get power), lol.

Dixiegirl
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@ HW— Most of these Jews were Sephardic Jews who had lived in the Americas for centuries…. The Nation of Islam’s claim that Columbus was potentially a jew was very interesting for that reason. The Spanish expulsion DOES seem very tied to slavery— but never saw much more about it anywhere else beyond “A Secret Relationship…” Are there other books that go into Spanish expulsion/ u.s. slave trade? Btw HW—- I am very glad you and others exist who think about these things and are willing to go beyond senseless college fare, in trying to understand things. Sort of cracks… Read more »
Fr. John+
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“As religion of population changes from a Northwest Euro “soft power” mode, it’s become a roman based/ trauma-based psychology for the masses—- this is evident to anyone who knows what they are looking at, imo.” Dixie G- why I posit the time-date in my writings is, because up to that point,Europe was both a) self-contained-short of pagan Viking excusions into Greenland, and b) not into ‘Empire-building’ – as such. It’s only after the Schism (and almost directly after, if you look at what occurs within 100-150 years after 1054) that bizarrities begin to emerge- the Norman ‘conquest’ of a ‘brother… Read more »
Mosin Nagant
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“And, Hunter, as we all know, the Sepharvim are completely different from the AshkeNAZIS.”

Hunter appears to be serious, but Fr John is joking, right? Genetic studies don’t show such a complete difference, and the Kohanim mark, especially, is common ground.

Mosin Nagant
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“It’s only after the Schism (and almost directly after, if you look at what occurs within 100-150 years after 1054) that bizarrities begin to emerge- the Norman ‘conquest’ of a ‘brother nation’ (with backing from the pope)….”

Interesting point on the instigation of endless internecine conflict — brother nation against brother nation, cousin against cousin — such as Lincoln’s War.

Fr. John+
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Mosin- right. I was joking. Though the very few Sephardim I have known seem far less ‘Jewish’ than the ‘Nazi variety.

Fr. John+
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Nice news item to help us with understanding our ‘race problem”:

http://crtraditionalism.wordpress.com/2012/12/10/jaime-foxx-great-to-kill-all-the-white-people/

Mosin Nagant
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Re: “the ‘Nazi variety”:

Not to confuse ” ‘Nazi ” as a shortened form of Ashkenazi in any way with Nazi for National Socialist.

Earl Butz
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C’mon Hunter, a Jew, is a Jew, is a Jew. LOL.

Dixiegirl
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I’m no scholar, as many have noted, lol… so I’ll be looking up some of that stuff, Fr. John. Like St. Bernard, etc.

Orthodoxy doesn’t have the history in America, so many are fairly unaware of it, and if they do know of it, will have heard the RC version of the split, as they hear the R-C “names” of themselves and their own religious history, also.

David F.
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@Fr. John+ I don’t want to start a digression on Church history, but some of your comments are simply bizarre. You are Orthodox; why are you complaining about Caesaropapism? That was the way the Church operated in the heyday of the Eastern Empire. The Western Church was distinctive in NOT accepting Caesaropapism, and the idea is much older than the Great Schism. Constantine’s deference to Church authorities in matters of doctrine was an important precedent, as was the rise of the papacy as the dominant political force in Italy as the Western empire disintegrated. Wait…now you’re criticizing Thomas a Beckett… Read more »
Reynauld de Chatillon
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Reynauld de Chatillon

Yup, it’s the fault of them damned Papists! Talk about a broken record….

test
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““And, Hunter, as we all know, the Sepharvim are completely different from the AshkeNAZIS.””

Numbers make a difference. If you’re too few to conceivably replace the ruling class directly then you’re not going to try. You’ll stick to indirect influence through money and finance instead. The great 1880-1930 (ish) surge from continental europe into what used to be the Anglosphere countries changed that.

Plus of course the extension of public education and mass media which made it possible for a small minority to wield such vastly disproportionate influence.

Proud Globalist Race Traitor
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Proud Globalist Race Traitor
Dixiegirl, you state that ethnonationalism is not a trauma-based ideology? What about all of the children told by their parents that they can’t play with children of other ethnic groups? That is traumatic. Love of one’s own ethnic group is great, but if any political identity and critiques of other ethnic groups is introduced, or any coersion to avoid participating in other cultures, it becomes traumatic. You write beautifully on the degradation of society through materialism/economism, but despite all that, it’s a lesser evil than ethnonationalism. Better to have globalization and a world with diluted ethnic identities, for the vast… Read more »
test
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“ethnonationalism is not a trauma-based ideology”

Ethno-nationalism is human nature.

Reynauld de Chatillon
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Reynauld de Chatillon

Proud Globalist..why does a troll like you come here to peddle your new world order crap??

Reynauld de Chatillon
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Reynauld de Chatillon

Proud Globalist:
“Better to have globalization and a world with diluted ethnic identities, for the vast majority who can get along under that system, than to try to go back to the old broken system of ethnic nation states.”
hey pal..look around the world..the vast majority is NOT getting along under “globalization”. See: former Soviet Union; former Yugoslavia; former Czechoslovakia: former British India:, Ceylon..Cyprus..divided between Turk and Greek.” So what do you have to gain from diluted ethnic identities?? Only one tribe that I know of….

Reynauld de Chatillon
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Reynauld de Chatillon

Proud globalist:
I never told any of my children they couldn’t play with children of other ethnic groups..what was traumatic was when they were of school age and came home telling me of being teased and bullied by blacks and Mexicans….who the hell are you troll????? If your a true race traitor like the Jew Ignatiev (who isnt really a race traitor because Jews aren’t white)..just blow your brains out to make way for a nice non-white.

Fr. John+
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“You are Orthodox; why are you complaining about Caesaropapism? That was the way the Church operated in the heyday of the Eastern Empire.” David- You don’t know the difference between ‘Symphony’ and Caesaropapalism? Of course there is a monarchic aspect to Christendom. But what Rome did was to take the PAGAN EMPIRE building elements, and use them to conquer lands that were not part of the Ecumene- the European continent, and ‘claim’ them via the Pope’s doctrine of universal jurisdiction. Something the Orthodox never did. “Constantine’s deference to Church authorities in matters of doctrine was an important precedent…” To what?… Read more »
Fr. John+
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“The Orthodox could profit enormously by reading St. Thomas, and considering the power of Natural Law as a concept for directly assaulting non-Christian philosophies. From my perspective in the West, the Orthodox are not even in the game.” Yup. And that’s gotten us SOOOOO far, toward building the Kingdom “on earth, as it is in heaven,” hasn’t it? That’s the problem with the West. Refusing to go to the root, we pretend scholasticism didn’t lead to Rationalism, which led to the Enlightenment, and thus, to the BS about ‘equality of man’ – I will give you something. The Yeomanry of… Read more »
Lynda
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Fr John – learn history. Facts. “Caesaropapism” – what could possibly be the meaning of a term like this used by the Christians who style themselves ‘Orthodox’ post the Great Schism – usually in the context of their accusations of the West for the Crusades. And lest we forget, the horrid colonial conquests of Western Christian nations? Justian I (that would be Flavius Petrus Justinianus Augustus 527-565 A.D.) broke the Eternal Peace under his policies of revovatio imperii. He invaded the barbarian kingdoms of the former Western Roman Empire controlled by the Ostrogoths . So he invaded Damatia, Italy etc.… Read more »
Vendikar
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Christianity is pro-White when it is WHITE, Western Christianity. Oliver is factually quite right when he says this, the Whites adopted those parts of Christianity which were White and softpedaled or got rid of the rest, but open hostility to Christianity per se is foolish. (Even Hitler knew better.) Oliver was quite happy to speak at “Rally for God, Family and Country” events throughout the 60s. His diplomacy in dealing with the issue as in his talks which have survived on the Internet should be the standard to observe. Indeed, even HAC has largely done so in his novels, his… Read more »
Afterthought
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The south was racialist despite Christianity, not because of it. Christianity has been multi-racial since the Acts of the Apostles.

Robert Oculus III
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Reynauld de Chatillon, David F.: You both represent the correct view, but my advice is to ignore the Catholic-bashers. Don’t waste your time arguing with them. They hate the Jews and the Church and nothing you can say is going to change that. They support the White cause — that’s all that matters. Later, after V-BRA Day, we can sort out our religious differences. I personally think that separation between religions is as important as racial separatism, which is why I support the SwitzAmerica concept for the PSR; “a place for everybody and everybody in their place”. But for now,… Read more »
David F.
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@Robert Oculus III

Thanks. I’m not bothered by Fr. John’s eccentric interpretations of history; I was just horrified by the idea that other OD readers might be learning Western Civ from his posts…

Tamer of Savages
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Came across an interesting article. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/17/AR2006011701781.html REVOLT SIMMERS AT (Black Catholic) CHURCH The order from the archdiocese had been clear: Stop the accusations, the name-calling, the disobedience to the authority of the Catholic Church. But parishioner Bill Alston, bundled against the cold outside a church, didn’t care as he passed out fliers alleging to his fellow Catholics that a leader at his nearby home congregation, Our Lady of Perpetual Help in Anacostia, was “disrespectful, insulting and profane” and that the diocese was sweeping it under the rug. The Rev. Michael Jones poked half of his body out the front door… Read more »
Tamer of Savages
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A God fearing principled anti-democracy that only elevates gifted celibate black leaders grounded in classical culture to positions of power (ex. Peter Turkson).

The Catholic Church is in nearly every way the opposite of BRA.

stonelifter
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The Catholic church is BRA. tIt supports rights for negros, the Mexican invasion, the welfare state which is economic warfare on the White middle class, it supports gun control, forced busing, forced integration, the whole spectrum of feminism ( excluding the sexual aspects). In fact the Catholic church supports every part of BRA outside issues of sexual mortality.

John
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I’ve never told my kids “don’t play with blacks”

virulent racists don’t really do that.

Racism comes later after some big dumb alpha nigger breaks your best friend’s nose or you see a paki gang pimp out a teenage girl. Racism is a song of painful experience and coming to terms with reality.

Mosin Nagant
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Re: “In fact the Catholic church supports every part of BRA outside issues of sexual mortality”:

— not considering priesthood pedophilia and homosexuality. But then, WN is rife with every kind of fornication.

John
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Catholic priests are no more likely to be paedo than any other part of the general population. I’d hazard a guess that they are less dangerous. The main issue was that they shuffled offenders around and pretended it wasn’t happening. There’s certainly a brotherhood of homosexuals though.

Tamer of Savages
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I didn’t mean to imply the Catholic Church is crusading against BRA on any of those fronts. Just that it is organized in an opposite manner, which allows it to generate/preserve faith and culture for thousands of years.

Every defeated southern state is guilty of the same litany of BRAisms, Stone. The Catholics had slave empires that predated and outlasted North American negro slavery. In the US they simply rendered unto Lincoln just as they would have done to Davis.

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