Southern Baptists Lobby Romney To Support Amnesty


This is another reason why I am pleased by the decline of the Southern Baptists:

“The National Association of Evangelicals, which represents more than 40 denominations, passed a resolution calling for a comprehensive immigration overhaul in 2009. The Southern Baptist Convention did so last year.

It called for “just, fair immigration reform,” said Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptists’ ethics commission, who also attended Tuesday’s news conference.

“It passed with at least an 80 percent vote,” he said, “and four of five Southern Baptists is about as good as you’re going to get on any given day on anything.”

Let’s review:

The Southern Baptist Convention has denounced “racism,” embraced amnesty for illegal aliens, and has now elected Fred Luter Jr. as its first black president. It has also debated changing its own name to become less Southern and more universalistic because its primary mission is to evangelize non-Southerners.

The Southern Baptists have forgotten the cause of their own ascendance. Now they are poised to plunge into decline like the Methodists.

Note: In other news, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops has issued a statement on Obama’s DREAM Act executive order.

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  1. The new testament confuses a lot of people. The full logic of living like Jesus would lead to, well, being crucified. If I were a Roman governor I’d have been nailing up anyone who caused trouble or merely talking about “change”. Pilate was softie.

    Vonneghut [sp] got it right in his version where Jesus is an unconnected bum, who is adopted by god at the last minute just to show the Dumb hicks up. And you know something the Judeans were dumb bastards. When The Flavians came they were also soft.

    The old testament can be considered a catalog of war crimes, that is all.

  2. Here it is:

    (2) The Gospel of Outer Space (Chapter 5, Section 30)
    The hero of this novel is an alien (who looks like a Tralfamadorian) who wants to know how Christians can be so cruel. The alien decides that the problem is the New Testament, which is supposed to teach people to be merciful but actually seems to teach them: “Before you kill somebody, make absolutely sure he isn’t well connected” (5.30.7). The problem is that the man the Romans crucify is already the son of God, so of course everyone’s going to think it’s wrong to kill him.

    If Christ were just a nobody, would it have been any more OK to kill him? The alien decides it would be better if Christ were not actually the son of God, but still said all the same stuff. Then God could come down just before Christ dies on the cross to say that he is adopting Christ, and that from that day on, it is wrong to persecute anyone who torments “a bum who has no connections” (5.32.3)

    this is the best heresy I’ve ever come across. I also understand that Kurt had some sympathy for the Germans in ww2. The moral problem of Christianity. Don’t be mean to strangers because they are children of god. What about, simply not being cruel in the first place? There’s no solution.

  3. Why any white Christian would bother attending “church” today is beyond me. Why bother with the half-measures? Just join rainbow-push and get it over with.

  4. “The old testament can be considered a catalog of war crimes, that is all.”

    So? Timothy Wise says the history of the West is a catalog of war crimes.

  5. I’m quite proud of my forefathers stomping the crap out of Injuns, Hindoos, Zulus and Ashanti, Chinese, Japanese and Turks.

    I see nothing wrong with war for plunder and enslaving as long as I’m the one doing it to someone else.

    Judging the Biblicals by their own high Moral standards leads to moral qualms. Judging them as just another set of graspers it all makes sense. Who cares what Wise thinks? He hates all forms of superior culture.

  6. Well then we agree on something. Just down the road from me a site from the Blackhawk War where white settlers killed heap big pile of injuns. Ifeel a swell of pride every time I drive by it.

  7. They should have let the Pilgrims starve that first winter. I would have, they must have been a bunch of suckers. I respect their warrior ethos though as long as I’m better armed and my lot outnumber them.

  8. It seems clear to me that the dominant secular liberal culture is leading the Southern Baptists by the nose. They are eagerly trying to accommodate that culture and win its approval.

  9. We should throw all the bibles out, and just keep the hymnals and sing in praise for the gift of life, family, and salvation. That’s it.
    And tell the preachers to go fight their own wars and/or go hug-kiss whomever they please, just leave us alone.
    And go get lost if you can’t just sing in praise for the gift of life and family and salvation, preacher man.

  10. How low are the comments going to be allowed to get here? The remarks by *John* are beyond the pale vile – pure hate and mad recklessness. It doesn’t get more revolting than this.

  11. The comment section as a whole is chaos.

    I don’t have the time or the inclination to police the dozens of comments that get posted here every day. Paul Kersey does this on his blog. Nothing gets through without his approval.

  12. This is a problem that we have to confront.

    The mainstream Christian churches have echoed the anti-White liberal consensus for a generation or more. The elites have pushed hordes of Christians out of their churches by accommodating the secular liberal culture.

    This has created a feeling of antipathy toward Christianity among a lot of racialists. Some of the most radical vanguardists advocate the destruction of Christianity on the grounds of its universalism and egalitarianism.

  13. Personally, I think the ideal would be to have a strong national church like the old school Church of England which is focused on catering to our own people, exactly the opposite of the evangelism you see in the video above.

    I wouldn’t have a problem with Catholics if they rejected Americanism, returned to their own traditions, and stopped preaching about “human rights.”

  14. @Hunter Wallace
    I shall stop harping on it in respect for the old-fashioned Christianity that is real difficult to come by these days, and for those who read “OD” and have that old faith in their hearts. I do respect that.
    I just don’t respect our church leaders–pretty much holds true for all the churches- catholic and the protestant churches.

  15. Can’t see much difference between them and most leftists. About the same level of discourse, really.

    I do think the boys would be more at home among others of their ilk at say, Huffpo or maybe Amanda Marcotte’s website, for instance.

    Plenty of your kind there, boys. Have at it.


    Opposition to Americanism

    Conservative Catholics took alarm at what they considered to be symptoms of pernicious modernism or “Liberalism.” They thought the “Allons au peuple” catchphrase had a ring of heresy, breaking down the divinely established distinction between the priest and the layman, and giving lay people too much power in Church affairs. The insistence upon individual initiative was judged to be incompatible with the obedience to the authority of the Church (due to the authority invested in the Bishops, and their successors, by Christ), that forms a fundamental principle of Catholicism. Moreover, the conservatives were, almost to a man, anti-republicans who distrusted and disliked the democratic abbés. They complained to the Pope, and in 1898, Abbé Maignan wrote an ardent polemic against the new movement called Le Père Hecker, est-il un saint? (“Is Father Hecker a Saint?”).[2]

    Many powerful Vatican authorities also detested the “Americanist” tendency, and whilst Pope Leo XIII was reluctant to chastise the American Catholics, whom he had often praised for their loyalty and faith, he eventually made concessions to the pressures upon him

  17. A faith like the old-order Mennonites, minus the pacifism, would be ideal for the white race I think. They help one another all the time and always look out for one another. They have alot of discipline. They are very reverent in and out of church.
    Unfortunately, the are pacificits.
    If we could have one chuch for the white race, my choice would be old-order Mennonite without the pacifism.

  18. Sorry, I forgot to mention: No pacificism ,but no empire-building either, and no foreign missions or proselytising outside of the white race.
    I could handle that fine. No problem at all.

  19. @… Sorry, I forgot to mention: No pacificism ,but no empire-building either, and no foreign missions or proselytising outside of the white race.
    I could handle that fine. No problem at all….

    There would be a lot of money, big preaching career, and big congregations for the wily person who could deliver all that and make it ok to go there as a church, without any social condemnation and getting called names, lol

  20. Joe, after your remarks I seriously doubt you have respect for much of anything. Same for your buddies Jim and John.

    “Our” church leaders? Which church do you belong to? Do you even know any church “leaders?” Or is just much easier to slander the few good people who you’ve never even met out of your own sanctimonious ignorance?

    The real problem is people like you who are completely bereft of any sense of decency.
    I reckon it’s just that you’re so much smarter than the rest of us. Huh?

    Where you from anyway? I’ll bet I can guess.

  21. It was very obvious I was talking about an ideal, a vision, and nothing more.
    You both seem to like the empire building aspect of the churches.
    @Dixiegirl- For a tough girl, you seem afraid of “social condemnation” or anyone calling you “names”. lol
    Yes. No pacificism but no empire building either. Just fight if attacked, that’s all.
    At the risk of greatly annoying your sensibilities: no slavery for anyone of any race period : That includes no talk of it like an ideal, or a vision, to strive for.
    @Apuleius- I never claimed to be smarter than anyone here. Just making my points. Just like everyone else.
    If you can guess where I come from, then there was no real good reason to ask me the question in the first place.

  22. Hunter: Another great post. The Babtists, like most other denominations, aren’t really “Christian” any more, and no longer worship the Christian God. Their church is Liberal Democracy, and they worship the god of equality, whose holy saints are St. Multiculturalism, St. Diversity and St. Tolerance.
    IMO, churches surrender/compromise with Darwinism was the biggest failure. Logically speaking, Christianity, Judaism and Islam cannot be true if the theory of evolution is correct. Judeo-Christian DWLs are big believers in evolution, up until humans come into the equation. Then, magically, evolutionary theory doesn’t apply.

  23. Apuleius: I agree 100% with your remarks on Joe. However, he has a point about no empire building and no white man’s burden.

  24. The sad thing about the statement from the US Conference of Catholic Bishops is that Gomez is clearly an ethnic chauvinist and the white bishops are so infected with liberation theology, social justice and marxist critique they feel absolutely no need to advocate for the interests of the white working class who are paying for the bishops’ “feel good charity”. The fact that the current bishops are feckless shouldn’t be surprising to Catholics, though. Catholics traditionally were taught not to be respecters of men and Saint John Chrysostom himself said “The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops.” God save us from these false shepherds!

  25. Hunter – I am glad you explicitly mention that there is a

    “feeling of antipathy toward Christianity among a lot of racialists. Some of the most radical vanguardists advocate the destruction of Christianity on the grounds of its universalism and egalitarianism.”

    On this subject, many of these vanguardists or racialists generally are in full agreement with the left and with Jewish leaders.

    There is a problem in the established ‘Christian’ denominations. But Christianity has not always been xenophiliac and ”anti-racist” (read: anti-White) as it is today. Anyone who knows a little history has to acknowledge that fact. But I think the antipathy is a pre-existing one on the part of many such people, and the recent subversion of Christianity is an excuse to advocate extirpating Christianity altogether.

    Is everyone here familiar with Christian Kinism? Hunter has links to some Kinist blogs in the sidebar. Not all Christianity is anti-White or traitorous to our folk.

  26. Joe, for such a tough guy, you seem to like picking on the easiest targets.

    I’d be too ashamed to say, too.
    …if I were you.

    I’ve never been a real good Christian, if it makes you feel better.
    I’ve known a few really righteous ones in my time here on earth. Funny thing is they’re never in a position to make policies. Too busy doing good for others.

    I’d never think to tar them with the brush of their perfidious leaders, though.

    Tough guy. And smart, too. What a combo. You’re just the ticket, ain’t you.

    Deo Vindice

  27. “We should throw all the bibles out, and just keep the hymnals….”

    The Roman Catholic and other “High” and state-related, apostate churches didn’t generally approve of Bible study for the non-“Religious,” until recently. Perhaps that is your background?

  28. I understand where they are coming from.

    The Catholic Church, the Southern Baptists, the Methodists, the Mormons, the Lutherans and others go out of their way to promote anti-racism, multiculturalism, comprehensive immigration reform, etc.

    Some denominations even go so far as to embrace gay and lesbian clergy, Islamization, gay marriage, etc. They build mega churches that look more like rock star concerts which are populated by ridiculous hucksters.

    There is no institutional home for racialist Christians in contemporary America. The abandonment of the churches by racialists is just part of the general collapse in the legitimacy of nearly all subverted institutions.

    There isn’t much that can be said in defense of contemporary Christianity in America. It can be appreciated in the historical sense like the ruins of the Roman Empire. It is part of our heritage.

    Oh, and then there are the Jew worshiping dispensationalists. That’s another turn off and another reason for disaffection.

    Who is to blame for this? The churches are to blame for abandoning their own communities and creating such a negative environment. They have been so compromised by Americanism that lots of racialists won’t bother with them.

  29. Seriously, what church is worth joining for a racialist?

    I don’t want to join any denomination that conflicts with my racial and cultural beliefs. I can rule out the Methodists, the Lutherans, the Southern Baptists, Church of Christ, the Catholics, the Presbyterians, etc.

    A hundred years ago, this wouldn’t have been a problem because Christian churches weren’t institutionally hostile to racialists, but now it is a different story. The culture has dissolved beneath our feet.

  30. @ Apuleius and @ Mogin. You know I am of catholic background. I have been posting here for at least a month now. You know all the articles and read all the posts, so you know already I am of catholic background.
    I simply mentioned that the old-order mennonite church, minus pacificism, no foreign missions, and no proselytising outside the white race, would be an ideal for the white race if we were ever to have one church. (only fight if attacked)
    This would be good for the old-fashioned christians, and also good for the kinists ( my opinion, just an opinion).
    As far as my post about the hymnals, it was said in frustration for our church leaders and was meant to convey the importance of gratitude for life, family and salvation– to my mind this is the essence of the faith — not politically-correct bullsh*t and all kinds of agendas that have nothing to do with the essence of the faith.
    That’s all. Nothing less. Nothing more.
    My mention of all this was about an ideal. So many others here post their ideals and visions. I thought it would be ok for me to do the same.
    It’s just another point of view, Nogin and Apuleius. The sun will come up tomorrow.
    No one was harmed by my post, nor does my post(s) stop anyone from thinking or doing whatever they want.
    Please lay off a little bit. I never did you,or anyone else here, any harm. So relax.
    Ad hominem put-downs and innuendo , which you two like to use in your arguments, are not to your credit, and show a lack of respect for the subject being discussed.
    Both of you overlooked my post to Wallace Hunter and my words of respect for old-fashioned christianity and my words of reconciliation.

  31. Right, Hunter, it CANNOT be any of those denominations.

    At this time it must be an independent congregation, or one of a small group of congregations — and wherever such don’t exist they ought to be founded, and joined, because the truth of the Gospel is not just a part of our heritage and history but the most crucial of all issues for all time and all generations.

  32. Joe, I actually did notice earlier your “words of respect for old-fashioned christianity,” and I gathered, from that, that you DO think that a good, genuine Christianity does exist, though very uncommon. But I was appalled at “throw all the Bibles out.” Yes, the Bible has been misused — tragically, criminally, satanically — to mislead souls into perdition probably even MORE than it has been used to guide to redemption. Yet it is, or it contains, uniquely the message of eternal salvation that is TRUE.

  33. Some Unitarian churches hold Sunday meetings on witchcraft and atheism. Some Quaker church meetings revolve around feminism and pantheism. But realise that there are some conservative, Biblical, even so-called “fighting” (non-pacifist) Quaker Meetings, in rural areas of Pennsylvania, Ohio and Indiana, that still dress and live much like Old Order Mennonites (though not pacifist) — and they are NOT associated with liberal mainstream Quakerdom.

    I’m not aware of any good Unitarians.

  34. @Nogin
    My posts are not biblical, so there’s some room for poetic license. LOL
    Yes, the only old-fashioned christianity that I know about is the old-order mennonites.
    Still, to my mind, it is important to fight if attacked– and only then.
    No foreign missions and no empire-building.
    Just a faith for the white race.
    Unfortunately, I think the mennonites are off track with their foreign missions and their pacificism.
    Putting that aside, they help one another, watch out for one another, are very reverent, have big families, have a very strong work ethic, are very moral, and they are very down-to-earth people. I greatly respect them for their good qualities.
    The mennonites were started by a disgruntled catholic ( so I fit in at least that way). They were greatly hounded down in Europe by both the catholics and the lutherans.
    It’s a horrible story, but their church produced many saints and courageous souls.
    If any reader doesn’t know the history of the mennonites, it is a great story of resilence and faith and courage and hard work and love of God and love of family.

  35. @ Mosin Nagant
    Sorry about that: I accidentally combined your first name with your last name. I was too eager to write the post to notice. My apologies.

  36. Apuleius, do you have a problem with the killing of indians? What would you have done? Convert them?

  37. The truth is universal, timeless, and immutable. Or it is not the truth.
    There is no perfect Christian sect, just as there is no perfect Christian.
    There is only one who is without sin, and it ain’t any one of us.

    And now here is my secret, a very simple secret; it is only with the heart that one can see rightly, what is essential is invisible to the eye.
    Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    St. Paul discusses our limitations below. I think he makes the case clearly.
    What is the nature of this charity? It damn sure ain’t doctrinal purity.
    But that is what we fight over. Isn’t it.

    The First Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Corinthians
    Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
    And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
    And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
    Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
    doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
    rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
    beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
    Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
    For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
    But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
    When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
    For now we see through a glass, darkly, but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
    And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

  38. Seriously, what church is worth joining for a racialist?

    If I were a Christian, I might consider Eastern Orthodox Christianity.

  39. “Why does every major Christian denomination seem to want to sound like Unitarian Universalists?”

    Status seeking? Perhaps they are hoping to host the next “faith-based” Presidential debate?

  40. Everyone favors their own. And belongs to their own. And should protect their own.
    That’s enough for me. Anything more is bloodlust. What about you, Jim?

  41. When I say I’m going over to my neighbor’s to drink beer and work on cars, everyone automatically knows I mean someone in in my vicinity with whom I share a neighborhood. Then how come when the bible says “love thy neighbor” Christians assume it means pygmies in Africa and other assorted flotsam that one must seek out? They’ll never meet them at a BBQ or anything.

  42. Re: “mennonites are off track with their foreign missions”:

    SOME Mennonites do foreign missions, but the Old Order almost never do more than take in orphans and widows in their agricultural “colonies” in other countries. Liberal car-driving Mennonites do missionary work, following the bad example of the Evangelicals — and they have also become infected with Premillennialism, divorce, homosexuality, multiculturalism and below replacement birth rate through close contact with the Evangelicals, and college and TV.

    Don’t generalise about all Mennonites!

  43. yes sir. i will never generalize about mennonites again.
    is it any wonder so many are turned off by christianity?

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