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United States

Found this on Netflix … I have heard of this guy before, read one of his books in college, but I have never seen this documentary. Must be new.

Note: I’m still betting that a combination of a financial crisis, global aging, changing racial demographics, and the crippling effects of Peak Oil will take out BRA in the end. The IEA has admitted that Peak Oil happened in 2006.

I also think we will know within five years how bad the energy situation is going to get. I’m betting it is going to be “The Boy Who Cried Wolf Scenario.” I think the wolf really will show up in the end. It is going to be interesting to watch.

The second video is pretty funny.

Jim
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I heard an interesting theory recently in regards to the high oil prices. The proponent stated he believed the current high oil prices are a manifestation of an economic war between the US and China. His idea was that the extremely cheap cost of natural gas, which fuels most US industry, and the high cost of oil (which is imported at great cost to fuel Chinese industry) were the result of American and Saudi manipulation of the markets. According to him the same thing happened in the 80s, except in reverse, to take out America’s last great competitor, the USSR.… Read more »
stonelifter
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I’m pretty sure peak oil is bogus. It was supposed to hit when I was a kid, but guess what? We found more oil.

My ex in-laws in Texas have mineral (oil) rights leased out. Oil companies don’t pay you money to have 1st dibs on your dirt for nothing. And there is no shortage of folks with similar deals.

Also, I’ve been with nerds looking for oil in africa. They found it like crazy.

You don’t get a security clearance because of your old man’s job. Set’s up the rest of his story on a lie.

Mosin Nagant
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Both parties in Pennsylvania are bragging about the Marcellus shale natural gas reserves: “economic boom ahead” in Marcellus shale areas, gas development tax revenues saving the state from bankruptcy, etc. Locally they’ve just begun wasting more millions of tax dollars on the third bloated “study” of the feasibility of turning the same small recreational dam into a small hydroelectric source, which will either never happen or it does will never pay for the cost of the studies and management, but they advertise it as progress. These energy optimists care only for their careers and profit or they just don’t think… Read more »
Kievsky
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@stonelifter, There is indeed oil here in the US, but it’s simply not enough to maintain a growing economy, and without a constantly growing economy, then there is catabolic collapse. Economic growth is synonymous with energy use; the amount of oil we can extract is vast, but in the end, finite. We grew beyond our ability to extract at the rates necessary to continue growth. it’s as simple as that. So yes, those oil wells will be tapped — IF there is enough social order to continue the infrastructure that allows it to happen. As far as the Marcellus shale… Read more »
RobRoySimmons
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One thing about collapse porn it is about a 100% white thing. Its humorous as heck for places like the oildrum which is a doctrinaire left sight run by the usual momma cows of the left and they preach collapse, and on the other hand you got the low IQ minority cargo cultists who in practice should ally with Rush Limbaugh and the Foxconned folk but instead vote with the oildrum collapsnicks. It is a strange world, thank god liberals can isolate themselves from other D voters.

Playing Roots Backwards
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Playing Roots Backwards
Stonelifter is right. The oil companies all have salesmen who spend all of their time buying or leasing mineral rights on privately held land. They aren’t just handing out free cash. They are well aware that political changes in the nations that we import oil from may someday make it worthwhile to start harvesting American oil on a major scale. If you go to http://www.wtrg.com/rotaryrigs.html you will see how many rigs are drilling in the U.S. There are more rigs drilling for oil on private land right now than there were last year, but this is a pittance. There are… Read more »
LandShark
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Some days, when I’m granted the vision to see the full extent of the mess we are in, there’s nothing left to do but hope for a massive CME.

Playing Roots Backwards
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Playing Roots Backwards

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What’s that about? Should I re-post without the links?

Playing Roots Backwards
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Playing Roots Backwards
While it’s oil is my mind I would like to address the sound bite you all hear regularly about how long it takes for a well to come online from the time drilling commences: It’s not 5, 10 or 15 years. For land rigs the wait can be as short as three months for wells that have on site collection tanks. For land rigs that will be tied into pipelines, the wait is usually 6-12 months. So, in the best case scenario, you can be pumping gasoline into your tank that was part of the oil under an empty field… Read more »
Travian
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This guy is an ex-cop with delusions of grandeur founded on his parent’s careers. He does not know what he is talking about.

Peak oil is nonsense. There will always be more oil, it will just be more expensive to extract, but not catastrophically so.

Anon
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peak oil just means that we have passed the point on the graph where oil production was increasing, not that civilization will immediately come to an end. We have both options, and the time to do more.

“While it’s oil is my mind I would like to address the sound bite you all hear regularly about how long it takes for a well to come online from the time drilling commences: It’s not 5, 10 or 15 years.”

regardless of how long it takes to get the oil to market, the jobs/capital investment starts immediately. someone should remind the politicians of that.

Silver
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I empirically observed outrageous gas prices this evening. Noooo… for real? I guess that settles it then. HW personally witnessed outrageous gas prices, world’s gonna end, no two ways about it. You’ve had a good run of posts the last few months, HW. Too bad for you if screw it all up by lapsing into kookery now. By the way, I remember this Michael Ruppert from his “From the Wilderness” blog about a decade ago, just classic American conspiratorial kookery. Eg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT5MY3C86bk Look at all the nigs cheering him on there. They “just know” it was the CIA flooding their… Read more »
Playing Roots Backwards
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Playing Roots Backwards
Stonelifter is right. The oil companies all have salesmen who spend all of their time buying or leasing mineral rights on privately held land. They aren’t just handing out free cash. They are well aware that political changes in the nations that we import oil from may someday make it worthwhile to start harvesting American oil on a major scale. Google Rig Count: Rotary Rig Count and Workover Rig Count and you will see how many rigs are drilling in the U.S. There are more rigs drilling for oil on private land right now than there were last year, but… Read more »
Anon
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“I empirically observed outrageous gas prices this evening.”

We’re shoving carriers into the Persian gulf like supositories, Russia and China have chosen to side with Syria, everyone thinks war is imminent. When/if this settles down prices will fall a bit, and if interest rates are ever allowed to rise(which looks like it is happening) they will fall more. Geniune scarcity is a ways off though.

Playing Roots Backwards
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Playing Roots Backwards
Anon: The price of corn flakes, tuna, cars, insurance, steel, carbide cutting tools, pet food, flowers, doctor visits and just about everything else that I pay for on regular basis have gone up, so why would anybody expect gasoline to stay at the same price it was last year or the year before? Our national leaders have been printing fiat currency for over ten years. They have been downplaying inflation since the early eighties because the rate of inflation inadvertently affects GDP, which has somehow become the de facto report card for presidents. Our dollars are worth less, so they… Read more »
Anon
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“Anon: The price of corn flakes, tuna, cars, insurance, steel, carbide cutting tools, pet food, flowers, doctor visits and just about everything else that I pay for on regular basis have gone up, so why would anybody expect gasoline to stay at the same price it was last year or the year before? Our national leaders have been printing fiat currency for over ten years. They have been downplaying inflation since the early eighties because the rate of inflation inadvertently affects GDP, which has somehow become the de facto report card for presidents. Our dollars are worth less, so they… Read more »
TabuLa Raza
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Watch this woman fail to solve world’s easiest math problem 2 days ago ?Check out this soon-to-be-famous (and/or divorced) couple as they debate how long it takes to drive 80 miles at 80 mph. Beautiful, blonde Chelsea devises a complex formula based on her running times, the estimated speed of a car relative to a minute, and a bizarre need to take said time and “cut it in half,” coming up with … 58 minutes! Hubby Travis insists that using “science and math” it would take — wait for it — one hour. “Chel” isn’t convinced, and is offended that… Read more »
TabuLa Raza
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>>>What’s that about? Should I re-post without the links?

A post with more than one link may be delayed. If one wants quick posting, one can use a separate post for each link.

Mosin Nagant
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Abiotic oil is still theoretical, isn’t it? Every now and then I get curious and search around to try to verify that. I’ve never bought into peak oil hysteria, but FOSSIL oil logically must continue to become more scarce, more expensive.

PRB, your response makes me want to research it yet again when time allows.
Your recommended recent unbiased scientific sources?

Fr. John+
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What I think you are all missing, is the DESIRE on the part of the Demoniacs and Deicides, to enact a Bolshevik GULAG nation, again. It’s part of the whole picture folks. Yeah, we might have $8.00 a gallon gas. But who’s going to be able to buy it, and what will it mean when those who ‘can’ (the oligarchs of whatever race/ethnicity/religion) lord it over those who ‘can’t’? http://www.vdare.com/articles/the-dharun-ravi-taylor-clementi-hate-crime-verdict-how-long-before-vdarecom-gets-shut-down The Sodomites are working like mad (because they are- they all have AIDS of the brain) to demonize anyone who stands up to them, and the Deicides and other pervs… Read more »
Mosin Nagant
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If it were discovered that there is abiotic oil (in addition to fossil oil which certainly is just that with all the organic remains to prove its origin) and yet it’s too difficult to recover from the extreme depths or if it seeps upward into higher rock formations too slowly, it would still be expensive.

Dan Kurt
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Peak Oil

Both videos are most likely wrong. Both assume that OIL, GAS and COAL are fossil fuels. Chances are that none of the three are fossil fuels. Abiogenic is the term to use when talking about the origin of the three. The late Thomas Gold’s book the Deep Hot Biosphere is still in print and worth a read to expose oneself to the theory.

Dan Kurt

Mosin Nagant
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Yes, it’s ubiquitous on planets, carbon from primordial supernovae. But some planets have relatively more methane and related hydrocarbons than others, gas giants and their satellites versus mostly “rocky” inner planets, and of course not all hydrocarbons are petroleum. What is coal? Fossilic or abiotic? Petroleum also seems to contain sufficient evidence of its origin.

Mosin Nagant
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“Yes, its ubiquitous on planets…” was to Hunter’s post. Dan, I’ve heard of, looked at Gold’s thesis and not convinced.

Playing Roots Backwards
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Playing Roots Backwards
Mosin Nagant: Sorry, no unbiased sources. To research the matter you will have to move to Texas and work in a position that puts you in constant contact with oil and gas people from all levels. A lot of what goes on in the production end of the oil business never makes it online. You’d be surprised what you can learn by having lunch with a Baker-Hughes fishing crew or an engineer who runs a directional drilling crew. The oil and gas extraction business isn’t nearly as compartmentalized as most industries. Everybody from every level rubs elbows with everybody else.… Read more »
Mosin Nagant
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I agree so far and believe it’s almost proven that there is life in rock at great depths (and probably so in other planets) and there are bio-products of their activity. But it does not seem to follow that our common fuels extracted from upper layers, and marked with remains of complex surface life somehow originated at those depths. I’m not convinced but open to more light on the issue however.

Mosin Nagant
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Interesting, PRB. Won’t be able to come down, but I hear you. Lots of farming knowledge never makes it into books or dissertations or other media either.

Jim
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We will burn oil until it becomes too valuable to burn, then we will burn lignite coal for electricity. Coal is abundant, cheap, and filthy.

Dan Kurt
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re: “With those two types of crude as your reference, how much gasoline do you think we’ll get from that tarry Canook sand?”Playing Roots Backwards My undergrad degree was in Chemistry and I had two years of Engineering. In advanced organic chemistry I was exposed to the wonders of Cracking ( thermal and zeolite catalytic ) and techniques of synthesis. Alkane chemistry today is rather advanced. Lots of gasoline can be made from different grades of petroleum. Then there are different modes of the Fischer–Tropsch process to make fuel from even coal. Methane can also be synthesized into fuel. Chemistry… Read more »
RobRoySimmons
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All hi-tech miracles aside American oil production is still less than half of what it once was, that means we consumers in this part of the world have to join the rest of the world in bidding for oil. As they call it in the oil bidness “reserve replacement” and today the slicks in the biz call it “BOE” which means shorthand for not crude oil but gas and gas liquids. But it is what it is, and what I find interesting about it is the logical fallacy thinking we whites are subject to, from the collapsnicks of PO doom… Read more »
Playing Roots Backwards
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Playing Roots Backwards
Dan Kurt: “Possible” and “financially viable” are two entirely different things. A clever chemist could probably work with food scientists and agricultural engineers to develop a process for making ice cream out of horse shit, but could you make ice cream out of shit cheaper than the method presently used to make it from cream? No, of course not. That’s why nobody involved in gasoline production is interested in synthesizing. Refineries that extract gasoline from crude are often one trick ponies. They remove the factions that have a lower boiling point than the gasoline faction, then they isolate the faction… Read more »
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