America’s Children

The Nine Nations of North America

Dixie

Suppose for a moment that the American Empire succumbs to its own internal dysfunctions and really does collapse in the future.

What would the political geography of North America look like after Washington loses control over its provinces? In the Nine Nations of North America, Joel Garreau attempts to answer that question.

There is nothing really far fetched about this scenario. The Roman Empire eventually collapsed under its own weight. The Soviet Union and British Empire also failed to endure.

It took hundreds of years for the rotten imperial edifice to give way, but centralized authority was eventually lost over the Roman provinces, which in time splintered and evolved into the nations of modern Europe.

In much the same way, the homogenizing American corporate culture (i.e., Justin Bieber, Lady Gaga, Jersey Shore, Kim Kardashian etc.) that reaches into every American household through the internet, television, radio, movies and magazines might similarly fade away in a terminal national emergency.

Can you relate to Snooki? I can’t.

Roman citizens from Scotland to Anatolia shared the same imperial culture for centuries. They also spoke the same language. A thousand years later, Europe was a very different place to any observer.

Look at this way: no one cares about Fred Durst, Pauly Shore, or Christina Aguilera anymore. Pop culture is a cheap substitute for real culture. Like minstrel shows or bebop, the cultural fads of today will be forgotten tomorrow and replaced by novelties more amenable to our descendants.

Nations are built on an ethnic and cultural bedrock. They have geographic borders. Most have an economic foundation. Japan made sense as a nation. Yugoslavia did not.

Similarly, the United States and Canada are imperial states ruled by a political class in Washington and Ottawa. These federal regimes with their artificial borders rule over several new emerging sub-nations.

So what will North America look like a thousand years from now?

Dixie

If the United States were to collapse, it is reasonable to assume that a Southern nation with Atlanta as the capital would emerge from the ruins. Dixie is a pretty obvious successor state.

Dixie would include all of present day North Carolina, Tennessee, South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana and Arkansas. The border cuts through eleven other border states.

North Florida, Maryland’s Eastern Shore, Southern Delaware, Virginia without NOVA, Southern West Virginia, Kentucky without Covington, Southern Indiana, Southern Illinois, Southeast Missouri, Southeast Oklahoma, and East Texas from Dallas through Houston to Galveston would be subsumed within Dixie’s borders.

That sounds about right.

Neither NOVA or South Florida are Southern in any true sense of the word. Likewise, the Mexican areas of Texas are properly included in Aztlan.

I have no experience with Oklahoma, Missouri, Indiana, or Illinois, but I have always heard that parts of these states were settled by Southerners whereas Yankees and European immigrants colonized other areas.

Greater Cuba

The Cuban bourgeoisie have transformed South Florida into an extension of the Caribbean. Miami is indisputably a Latin American city.

Since this book was published in 1981, the border between Dixie and South Florida has crept northward into the Tampa/Orlando metropolitan area.

I’ve been told you cross the border between Dixie and South Florida somewhere in Central Florida between Gainesville and Tampa now. I have little experience with that area.

The Beltway/Yuppieland

The Beltway is a world unto itself.

When I was in Virginia, I noticed the economy seemed to be booming in the Washington metropolitan area. No wonder the rest of America hates that place.

This inability to effectively tackle any domestic problem contains the seeds of Washington’s eventual downfall.

Aztlan/Amexica

Dixie borders Aztlan in Texas.

The Aztlan border stretches across Texas from Houston to the Rocky Mountains in a roughly straight line. It swoops up from there through Eastern New Mexico to include Southwest Colorado and cuts down to include Southern Arizona.

In California, Aztlan includes the coastline from Los Angeles to Tijuana, Southern California, and the Central Valley, minus the Pacific Coast from Los Angeles to San Francisco.

There are already efforts underway to create Baja Arizona and rename New Mexico as Nuevo Mexico.

Ecotopia/Cascadia

Americans already have a pejorative name for this place: the Left Coast.

Ecotopia is the string of leftwing, heavily Democratic SWPL coastal counties that stretches from Los Angeles to the Canadian border along the Pacific Coast and west to the Cascade Mountains.

It includes Vancouver, Seattle, Portland, Juneau and the temperate coastal region of Alaska south of Anchorage. San Francisco is the spiritual capital of Ecotopia.

Greg Johnson and Counter-Currents only make sense in the cultural setting of Ecotopia. This also happens to be the major reason why it makes no sense whatsoever to describe the “Pacific Northwest” as a White homeland.

“The Pacific Northwest” isn’t a sub-nation like Dixie, Aztlan, or New England. Oregon and Washington are artificial states drawn by nineteenth century politicians.

The parts of Oregon and Washington east of the Cascades are culturally and economically part of the Interior West. Similarly, the Pacific Coast of California and Vancouver have far more in common with Seattle and Portland than Boise and Helena.

The Empty Corridor

The Empty Corridor is a vast, sparsely populated area that includes most of Western Canada and the Western United States.

In Canada, it includes all of Yukon Territory, Nunavut, and Alberta. Northern Manitoba, Northern Ontario, North and Southwest Saskatchewan, and British Columbia minus the Pacific Coast.

In the United States, it includes all of Alaska minus the temperate area south of Anchorage, Idaho, Oregon and Washington east of the Cascades, Eastern California, Nevada, Utah, Northwest Colorado, Northern Arizona, Wyoming and Montana roughly west of Cheyenne.

Most of this area is owned by the imperial regimes in Ottawa and Washington. The economy is based on mining and industry.

For some reason, Deseret isn’t counted as a sub-nation. In the event of an American collapse, the Mormons in Utah and neighboring states would certainly confederate.

The Heartland

The Heartland is a vast agricultural belt that stretches north/south across the prairie from Central Texas to Southern Manitoba and east/west from the Rocky Mountains to Western Indiana.

It includes all of North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Iowa, Minnesota, North and Central Texas, Oklahoma minus Southeast Oklahoma, North and West Missouri, the prairie regions of Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, and New Mexico, Illinois minus Egypt and Chicagoland, parts of Western Indiana, and Wisconsin east of Milwaukee.

The Foundry/Nation of Immigrants/America

The Foundry is the decaying industrial heartland of North America. The region sees itself as the real America or the real Canada and seeks to dominate the rest of the continent.

If Ottawa and Washington were to lose control, the Foundry (for lack of a better word) would linger on as the rump of the American nation.

It includes all of Michigan except the Upper Peninsula, the industrial cities of East Wisconsin that rim Lake Superior, Southern Ontario, Chicagoland, Northern and Eastern Indiana, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Northern West Virginia, NOVA, Maryland minus the Eastern Shore, Northern Delaware, New Jersey, Southwest Connecticut and New York state west of Albany.

The Foundry is dominated by gritty, grimy industrial cities like Baltimore, Detroit, and Buffalo. This was the scene of “the melting pot” where all the nations of Europe supposedly blended together into the American man.

New York City

New York City, which is defined here as Manhattan, is an aberration like Hawaii or Washington, DC that doesn’t neatly fit into the surrounding region. In the event of an American collapse, it would probably become a city-state like Venice.

Greater New England

Greater New England is the home of the Yankee nation. As everyone knows, the capital of New England is Boston.

New England includes Eastern Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, parts of Eastern New York state and the Canadian Atlantic provinces of Labrador, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Newfoundland, and Prince Edward’s Island.

Quebec

Quebec will undoubtedly emerge as the first sub-nation in North America to blossom to full nationhood.

Hawaii

Hawaii is an Asian nation dominated by the Japanese which already has an indigenous secessionist movement.

Conclusion

Does this make any sense to you?

Have you ever crossed any of these borders and gotten the existential sense of being in a foreign country? Maybe you were born in one of these North American regions but now live in another.

Personally, I think Montreal (Quebec), Atlanta (Dixie), Miami (Greater Cuba), Los Angeles (Aztlan), San Francisco (Ecotopia), Boston (New England), Kansas City (Heartland), Denver (Empty Corridor) and Detroit (Real America) make a lot more sense as national capitals than Washington and Ottawa.

We ought to abolish dysfunctional states like California, Illinois, and Colorado which no longer make any sense in the 21st century. That would be a good start.

In the long term, we ought to abolish the United States and Canada altogether and replace them with nation-states that work. The federal government can’t function properly when Dixie and Heartland are pulling in one direction, a conservative direction, and Ecotopia and New England pulling in another, a progressive one.

Real America is suffering from massive industrial decline and chronic unemployment because of its disagreements with Dixie and Heartland over trade policy. Similarly, Dixie and Aztlan are being overrun by Hispanics because Ecotopia and New England have struck an alliance with Mexico and Greater Cuba to gain political advantage within the Union.

Canada is even more dysfunctional than the United States with its impoverished Maritimes, Ontario, Quebec, and Alberta all pulling at the sinews in different directions. Calgary has far more in common with Denver than Montreal and Toronto.

How long can a theory as silly as multiculturalism hold either of these continental empires together? Probably not long.

The triumph of multiculturalism itself, first in Canada to appease Quebec, now in America to appease Hispanics in Aztlan, is proof that North America is evolving toward a new cultural and political configuration.

By 2042, the squabble between the American sub-nations will be ripping apart the United States, as the declining White majority refuses to cede power to the rising Hispanic majority.

The time is coming when Americans will again reconsider their loyalties to a dysfunctional federal government in Washington and the wisdom of its archaic nineteenth century borders.

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50 Comments

  1. The thing about the US is that the divisions aren’t really geographical. They’re racial, ideological, and class-based. Even the reddest red areas have substantial numbers of blues, and vice versa. This is not like the 1860s, when most places homogenously agreed on the issues of the day. Maybe the entire country now would be more similar to the border states in that era, where you had people like Jim Lane and William Quantrill burning each other’s houses down.

    In Western Missouri, the Yankees ending up chasing out most Confederate sympathizers, so we might see migrations that would end up with more homogenous areas if the shit hits the fan.

    More on Confederate sympathizers being cleansed from Missouri:
    http://www.historiclonejack.org/order11.html

  2. The federal government has been doing its best to blend everybody together specifically to avoid such a possibility. Since they can’t force us to blend based on our ideologies, they use race as a proxy.

  3. The blue coalition is based mostly on plunder of the public treasury. As opportunities for plunder evaporate the coalition will also evaporate. Of course there’s also plenty of plundering going on the other side as well- mainly with the military- security complex.

  4. Nations are built on an ethnic and cultural bedrock. They have geographic borders. Most have an economic foundation. Japan made sense as a nation. Yugoslavia did not.

    I understand your point and why the example is useful to you. But I have to point out it’s ridiculously inaccurate. Yugoslavia made plenty of sense. I’d argue it made as much sense as Germany. Germany was historically, religiously, linguistically, geographically (Austria, Switzerland) and — if you’re to believe certain ideologues — racially split, just like Yugoslavia. More importantly, it made a lot more sense than some of the cockamamie “nations” of N. America your fevered* imagination is conjuring up.

    *Fevered. That’s a harsh thing to say when you’re not being harsh yourself. But the truth is Hunter Wallace, in common with all nationalists (especially ultra-nationalists) , cannot bear living in a community made up of people who don’t share his need to ritually affirm their common belonging and, apparently, can’t understand how anyone possibly could, so he imagines these “nations” where none really exist.

  5. This is way too optimistic. In 500 years from now at current trends Euro-Americans will be forced to abandon North America like they abandoned the Middle East and North Africa after the Crusades.

  6. “The federal government can’t function properly when Dixie and Heartland are pulling in one direction, a conservative direction, and Ecotopia and New England pulling in another, a progressive one.”

    The Fed beast loves culture wars, it creates crises that people will demand the Fed “doing something” about. See Montgomery 1965.

  7. http://solutreanliberationfront.blogspot.com/2011/03/scientist-on-npr-discusses-solutrean.html
    Science and archeology will change the landscap as to original inhabitants being Europeans first in this continenent and has already shown that to be so in Washington and recently in Alaska where the oldest human remains of a child were found and are european.
    You can laugh at this but there is some very explosive truths about to be observered by the historical community by its top researchers..
    The only claim the Atzlanistas and LaRazas have is being here first and its a lie and and any one with Bachelors in history can tell you theses people are not the original inhabitors of the Americas..

  8. I would also add a good civil war by white americans and there allies will take place at some point much like Japan and Italy did with Germany. We have always triumphed, ask Charles the Hammer. These people have no history as a strong warrioor class able to stomach war and with Mexico in ruins in about a day and there people without food we will turn the tides in a week. It is possible I belive it will take place in my life time. Eisenhower removed them quickly without violence but those days are over..

  9. Silver,

    Please reread the article. I didn’t conjure up any of these sub-nations myself. The graphic comes from the book which is linked to above.

    Everyone in the South knows that NOVA, South Florida, and West Texas are not culturally part of Dixie. Likewise, the Ohio River has long been acknowledged as the Southern border, although parts of states like Missouri, Indiana, Illinois and Oklahoma were settled by Southerners.

    The map above is common sense. It doesn’t make sense to you because you live in Australia and thus have no first hand experience with the subject.

  10. Your idea is very sensible. Possibly populations would relocate or be relocated, as happened with the partition of India. However, the problem is getting from HERE to THERE. That’s the great mystery. We are all waiting for the answer to that question.

  11. That book was written thirty years ago , and is seriously out of date. “The Foundry” of course is no longer a foundry:
    http://buchanan.org/blog/manufacturings-dismal-decade-4612
    (…)

    From December 2000 to December 2010, 22 states lost a third or more of their manufacturing jobs. Massachusetts, New York and Ohio lost 38 percent of their manufacturing jobs, New Jersey 39 percent, North Carolina 42 percent, Rhode Island 44 percent, Michigan 48 percent.

    (…)
    I wonder how many jobs were lost between 1980-2000?
    (…)

    Last year, the United States ran a trade deficit in autos, trucks and parts of $110 billion. The deficits with Germany, Japan, South Korea and Mexico account for that entire total. Consider South Korea. Though she has an economy one-fifteenth the size of ours, she exported to us 12 times the dollar volume of trucks, cars and parts that we exported to her.

    (…)
    In the critical items identified as “advanced technology products,” the United States has been running a deficit with the world, beginning in Bush’s second year, soaring from $16 billion in 2002 to $82 billion in 2010.
    (…)

  12. icr,

    The book talks at length about the deindustrialization of The Foundry. That was already happening in the 1980s. If anything is true, we have simply gone further down the curve.

  13. “In Western Missouri, the Yankees ending up chasing out most Confederate sympathizers, so we might see migrations that would end up with more homogenous areas if the shit hits the fan.”

    Guaranteed. This is exactly what happened in Yugoslavia.

    Silver is way off base. Yugoslavia was an amalgamation of Western and Eastern Christianity, Cyrillic and Latin alphabets, Christians and Muslims, multiple languages – there’s a reason that place has been causing wars for centuries.

    ” In 500 years from now at current trends”

    Current trends have nothing to do with more than about 60 years in the future. Current trends are the result of current society and current government. These things are self-destructive and will not last.

    The Crusades were never seen as a colonization effort – not an existential struggle, but rather a war that could be fought and won and then put aside. It was fought, it was won, and it was put aside – but that didn’t make the enemy go away. The West could afford to put it aside because they didn’t have the enemy knocking on their doors all the time.

  14. Hunter – great post; having driven through southern Ohio, it is pretty closely tied to The South in many ways, bordering as it does Kentucky. Southern Ohio is very different from heavily industrial northern Ohio centered around Cleveland.

    Dan Neil – I am part Solutrean, or Cherokee Indian. I think most of the Indian tribes in the Eastern USA were descended from Stone Age Europeans rather than Asiatics who crossed the Bering Strait (or a mix between Solutreans and more recent Asiatics). Many would think of me as having ‘black blood’ since I have very old (15,000-20,000+ years) Paleolithic DNA from Stone Age Europeans who made their way to North America hunting seals along on the northern ice pack. My problem is finding a place in the USA where I am accepted, where I can be free: North Carolina has changed so much in terms of immigration and being overcrowded from the influx of people from the North that I need to find somewhere else to live in the next couple years. I hear Alabama is nice. 🙂

  15. To White Preservationist – we don’t want to encourage race mixing and we’re always getting inquires about – “can you accept me, even though I have some so and so blood etc”. This usually involves Southern Italians, higher caste Persians, Whiter, Christian Leb Arabs etc.

    I lived in Tennessee and noted some very nice, handsome folks who claimed some or a lot of Cherokee Indian blood. I had a great girl friend who claimed to have some Cherokee blood and wow – what a gal!

    I would recommend that you look to settle a bit West in either Tennessee or Kentucky. Though North Carolina and Virginia still have lots of nice Southern people – these places have been spoiled as they are hopeless linked to the Washington D.C. cultural center and the North Carolina private universities, state institutions are now hard to differentiate from say Harvard or the University of Connecticut.

    My feel is that outside of the Memphis metropolitan area and certain parts of Louisville – Tennessee and Kentucky are very good White states and Cherokee Indian/Whites should feel right at home there.

    God bless.

  16. Thanks for the advice Jack.

    It seems that many people with Cherokee blood and ancestry of certain other Indians are almost certainly related to Paleolithic era Solutrean Europeans who came to North America during the last Ice Age from what is now modern Iberia and France, long before the Asiatic Indians who came across the Bering Strait. As the story goes, it seems the Asiatic Indians mostly exterminated the Solutreans or absorbed them (probably just the women). And the same thing is happening now, with Whites an endangered minority worldwide surrounded almost entirely by Asians who want to absorb them in to an Asiatic mass.

  17. To White Preservationist

    Well, I suggest you document your authentic Cherokee Indian ancestry and sign up for all the Native American programs, set asides etc – and then proceed to fleece as many idiot, anti White, White lib/min traitors as you can – maybe work with some Italian Mafia types to set up a casino gambling operation and use some of the income to fund White causes.

    It’s a fallen world, we have to get down and dirty and play the cards that are dealt to us.

    Take care my Cherokee Indian White brother….

    JR.

    P.S. do you know of any other single, White Cherokee gals like my ex Cindy who was raised in Chattanooga TN?

  18. J.R. is getting worse and worse… the Meds are White, the Mesizos are White and now the Cherokee… and, as always, he looking to mate with one of them… I’m sure there are some pitch-black White Negresses out there for you, too…

  19. Erik Nordman – Oh shut up.

    It’s called just trying to be nice to someone – give someone the benefit of the doubt. It’s not lying as the Cherokee tribe was one of the best, highest Indian tribes in the USA in the 19th century. Study your history, the Cherokees went with the Confederacy and were/are extremely strict about not intermarrying, dating Blacks. Don’t know many White folks with 1/8th Cherokee blood who own TV networks, force neo Conservative wars in the Middle East on good ol boys from Tennessee.

    How about just a little less ragging – a little less negativity which tends to drive away healthy Whites who are interested in working for our side?

  20. If the US collapses, I think many foreign Mormons would arrive to shore up Deseret if the Prophet commanded it.

    LDS are disciplined people and could make an amazing nation.

    Other than Deseret, I sympathise with the White folks of Dixie.

    Deo Vindice!

  21. Please reread the article. I didn’t conjure up any of these sub-nations myself. The graphic comes from the book which is linked to above.

    Yes, I know. But the author was obviously being cute. You were being serious.

    Everyone in the South knows that NOVA, South Florida, and West Texas are not culturally part of Dixie. Likewise, the Ohio River has long been acknowledged as the Southern border, although parts of states like Missouri, Indiana, Illinois and Oklahoma were settled by Southerners.

    The map above is common sense. It doesn’t make sense to you because you live in Australia and thus have no first hand experience with the subject.

    The map makes sense to me. I don’t doubt there are quantifiable differences in ways of being” among those places. What I challenge is this idea that it’s the stuff nations are made of. (According to you, Yugoslavia fails the stuff-of-nations test, but “The Foundry” is a shoo-in?)

    Rollory,

    Please. Yugoslavia was overwhelmingly either Catholic or Orthodox, and if the state didn’t break apart it’s perfectly reasonable to assume these differences would have diminished in importance in line with what has been occurring elsewhere. The vast majority spoke the same first language and those who didn’t still knew/understood the first language and speakers of other, less mutually intelligible tongues/dialects were confined to the far north and far south. For all the conflict, there are still a few hundred thousand people in the various successor states who insist on calling themselves “Yugoslav” as an ethnic identifier.

    Many more wars have been started by western countries than by anyone in Yugoslavia. You can point to WWI, but even there, it was a case of other countries sticking their noses in other people’s business. And if Europe was a tinderbox set to explode then it’s fair to assume any other incident could have sparked the conflict — hardly anything particular about Yugoslavia.

  22. “Yugoslavia was overwhelmingly either Catholic or Orthodox”

    You can type this, and not see the point?

    The main conflict in the Yugoslav breakup was east-west: Catholic Croats vs Orthodox Serbs, with Bosnia in the middle and torn between factions backed by those two nationalities. And you present this as evidence of a LACK of conflict. Please, do continue, your hole isn’t deep enough yet.

  23. That’s why the comparison to Germany is apt. Germany was split between Catholic and Protestant (doctrinally a much greater rift than with Orthodoxy), and beset with profound linguistic variation. Germany’s success proves these differences are not insurmountable.

    What you’d have people believe is that war between Croats and Serbs at some point in time was simply inevitable. I challenge that assertion. There was some tension after WWI, but you have to consider the epoch. The 20s and 30s were the worst times in European history to live on disputed land. This culminated in the slaughter of WWII (Croat leadership falling hard for Nazi ideology) which remained an open wound throughout Yugoslavia’s existence. Were it not for that, I don’t see any good reason at all to think that events would have eventually taken the course that they did.

  24. I see your point, but it was not my intention to start a debate about Yugoslavia.

    It wasn’t my intention either. But certain points that arose during that bit of back-and-forth remain pertinent; namely, I think, that nationalist observers tend to have a keen eye for what divides peoples but can be slow to see what unites them. You’re better placed than I to judge how this tendency may affect thinking regarding the situation in N. America.

  25. BTW, I’d say that Quebec, Dixie and, probably, New England possess genuine stuff-of-nations material. Whether than can translate to anything capable of incorporating racial principles that will result in actual preservation (not merely the vague promise of it) is, I think you’ll agree, difficult to determine at this time. Still, it’s a starting point, which is better than nothing.

  26. Hunter –
    You don’t seem to know much about the Pacific Northwest.

    Oregon, Washington and Idaho are all very geographically divided by natural terrain from the states around them. They are not mere arbitrary lines on a map. The three states are united by geography: The Columbia River serves as the artery that links the three, with it being a navigable river all the way to central Idaho. It also forms the natural boudary between the states of Oregon and Washington.

    The southern border of Oregon is seperated from California by the only east-west running mountain range between the large central valley’s of Oregon and California. You can drive all around western Oregon in the winter, but you can’t drive to Redding California reliably, the Mt. Shasta area passes are too high.

    The reason that the Pacific Northwest has been consdidered a good homeland for whites by the White Nationalist movement is because there are so few blacks here.
    The entire state of Oregon has only 55,000. Atlanta has neighborhoods with that many!

    I went and did the math and counting only the full states that would be in Dixie (per your post above) you will have over 10 MILLLION blacks in your new nation.

    As for your dissing of SWPLs – it is axiomatic that to be a “SWPL” you must be White.

    You may find “SWPLs”, that is upwardly mobile, young urban whites who tend to hold common liberal attitudes, to be less agreeable as neighbors than the 10 million negros you have, and prefer to live in the deeply racially mixed South, as you do.

    That is certainly a position many people have, but if one were talking about forming an ‘ethnostate’ it’s obvious that Dixie is about the worst possible choice.

    As you yourself pointed out the best choice is probably Montana, Wyoming and the Dakotas. Idhao adjoins these, and there is a lot of commonality of culture and terrain from the Cascades to the Rockies, and beyond, in the northern band of States the USA.

    Have you ever been to Portland, Boise, Bend, Burns, Seattle, Tacoma, the Olympic Penninsula, Ashland, Spokane, or other parts of this area. Yes, there are some strange politics here, but it’s still somewhere that you can go for weeks without seeing minorities.

    You don’t have to worry nearly as much about running over a black dude and being beaten to death by his homeboys, as your other new article chronicles.

    The supposedly hyper-liberal enclave of Portland has a police department which is infamous for dealing very harsh street justice (including shooting to death) the small black underclass when they act out.

    I’m always interested in what you have to say, but I think you are letting your little fued with Harold, and perhaps your Southern Pride, prevent you from having any understanding of what the Pacific Northwest is really like. Your normally insightful writings really break down when you start writing about it, and it reads like a characature.

    I have no idea who Greg Johnson is, but I’m pretty sure he’s not a major factor in the local politics.

  27. The state of Oregon has about 55,000 blacks. Washington about 120,000.

    Your “Dixie” has well over 10 MILLION !!!!

    Which area is not realistic as a white ethnostate????

    Whatever you don’t like about SWPLs, they are White. You may prefer to live in an area where things like the auto-accident mob-beating described above happen with some frequency. We know what those places are like: places will lots and lots of black people.

    Portland’s SWPLs may want to build lots of expensive mass transit and are fanatic about recycling, which as a proud Southern redneck you may find irritating, but they also make for a very livable city. A city without the problems that a huge black underclass creates.

    Get outside of the metro areas and you could go months without seening any Asians or Blacks – and even Mexicans are rare outside of the fruit growing counties.

    In summary you keep slagging off the Pacific Northwest for the shallowist of reasons. Well I guess Southern Pride isn’t that shallow, it’s kinda cool. But, none the less you just are obviously misinformed about what’s going on up here.

    Please consdier making a trip to see things before you next write up stuff about us. I have no idea who Greg Johnson even is, but for sure Oregon and Washington have a lot of advantages as a place to live.

    Whatcha gonna do with those 10 million, Hunter?

  28. The state of Oregon has about 55,000 blacks. Washington about 120,000.

    Your “Dixie” has well over 10 MILLION !!!!

    Which area is not realistic as a white ethnostate????

    Whatever you don’t like about SWPLs, they are White. You may prefer to live in an area where things like the auto-accident / mob beating described above happen with some frequency. We know what those places are like: places will lots and lots of black people.

  29. Portland’s SWPLs may want to build lots of expensive mass transit and are fanatic about recycling, which as a proud Southern redneck you may find irritating, but they also make for a very livable city. A city without the problems that a huge black underclass creates.

    Get outside of the metro areas and you could go months without seening any Asians or Blacks – and even Mexicans are rare outside of the fruit growing counties.

    In summary you keep slagging off the Pacific Northwest for the shallowist of reasons. Well I guess Southern Pride isn’t that shallow, it’s kinda cool. But, none the less you just are obviously misinformed about what’s going on up here.

    Please consdier making a trip to see things before you next write up stuff about us. I have no idea who Greg Johnson even is, but for sure Oregon and Washington have a lot of advantages as a place to live.

    Whatcha gonna do with those 10 million negros with strong ties to your new Nation of Dixie? Seems like a huge, unsolvable problem, at least if you looking for an ethnostate.

  30. Portland’s SWPLs may want to build lots of expensive mass transit and are fanatic about recycling, which as a proud Southern redneck you may find irritating, but they also make for a very livable city. A city without the problems that a huge black underclass creates.

    Get outside of the metro areas and you could go months without seening any Asians or Blacks – and even Mexicans are rare outside of the fruit growing counties.

    In summary you keep slagging off the Pacific Northwest for the shallowist of reasons. Well I guess Southern Pride isn’t that shallow, it’s kinda cool. But, none the less you just are obviously misinformed about what’s going on up here.

  31. PS: Please consdier making a trip to see things before you next write up stuff about us. I have no idea who Greg Johnson even is, but for sure Oregon and Washington have a lot of advantages as a place to live.

    PPS: Whatcha gonna do with those 10 million negros with strong ties to your new Nation of Dixie? Seems like a huge, unsolvable problem, at least if you looking for an ethnostate.

  32. I’m having a lot of issues with the posting feature. Not sure why. Tried it from two different computers and am only able to post short notes, getting errors, etc.

  33. Erik Nordman – there is plenty of ‘Black blood’ which comes from Europe. Many Europeans have ‘Black blood,’ albeit ancient blood from European hunter-gatherers instead of Sub-Saharan Africans. Both are considered ‘Black’ by various blood purists worldwide, even many Whites.

    Think of the Solutreans that were mentioned, along with Cro-Magnon people, Neanderthals, etc. These are all very ancient strains of Paleolithic/Stone Age ‘European Black’ hunter-gatherers whose blood many would consider ‘black’ when compared to the Neolithic farmers/ranchers from the Near East which most modern Whites are descended from. – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11729813

  34. Jackson,

    (1) Please reread the article.

    (2) The distinction between “Ecotopia” and “Empty Corridor” is found in the book. Joel Garreau, who has no interest in these White Nationalist quarrels, drew the border down the Cascade Mountains.

    Check the map above. I reproduced the borders which are found in the book.

    (3) I think most impartial observers would agree that the Pacific Northwest is divided, culturally and politically, into two distinct regions. The Cascade Mountains are the border between the left leaning, densely populated, SWPL civilization that hugs the Pacific Coast and the right leaning, sparsely populated, conservative region of the Interior West.

    “The Pacific Northwest” makes little sense as a region. I don’t see how you can deny that Portland and Seattle have more in common with San Francisco and Vancouver, culturally and politically, than they do with either Boise or Couer d’Alene.

    Likewise, Boise and Coeur d’Alene are more like Helena or Cheyenne than either San Francisco or Seattle. Is this not obvious?

    (4) Garreau divides up the Southeast in a similar way.

    He includes NOVA in the Foundry, South Florida in Greater Cuba, Western Missouri in the Heartland, and South and West Texas in Aztlan and MexAmerica.

    The vast majority of Southerners would agree that those parts of the Southeast are not “real South” in any true sense of the word. They are geographically part of the Southeast, but they are not culturally and politically a part of Dixie.

  35. Re: Geography

    One of the major reasons that Garreau draws the border between “Ecotopia” and “Empty Quarter” at the Cascade Mountains is because of the climate.

    The Pacific Coast west of the Cascades is a temperate region that gets plenty of rainfall. From Juneau through Vancouver through Seattle and Portland, you a Chile-style coastal strip that has a climate which is completely different from the region east of the Cascade Mountains.

    Are you telling me that Central and Eastern Washington and Oregon and Idaho have the same climate, politics, and population density as Western Washington and Oregon?

    http://elections.nytimes.com/2010/results/house
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Northwest#Climate

    It doesn’t look that way to me.

    “Ecotopia,” culturally and politically, stretches from the Canadian border down the Pacific Coast to the outskirts of Los Angeles.

    “Empty Corridor,” culturally and politically, starts at the Cascades and stretches across Idaho to Eastern Montana and Wyoming where it runs into “Heartland,” which is privately owned, agriculture country.

  36. Jackson,

    (1) First, “Dixie” and “New England” and “Quebec” and “Aztlan” are all identifiable sub-nations which do not correspond to any exact geographic designation.

    Dixie is often called “the South.” New England is often called “the Northeast.” Aztlan is often called “the Southwest.” Everyone who lives in these areas though knows there is a sub-culture there which is independent of geography.

    Southerners will tell you that NOVA is not part of the South. Yankees will tell you that New York City is not part of New England.

    The Southwest, Southeast, and Northwest were all settled long before the Northwest. The sub-cultures in these regions existed before the United States and Canada were conjured into existence.

    What is the Pacific Northwest? It is a geographic designation. The idea that the Pacific Northwest is an oppressed nation like Ireland is ridiculous. The people who live in that region do not have any autonomous sense of identity.

    (2) Second, there is a sub-nation which runs through the Pacific Northwest: the “Ecotopia” sub-nation that the SWPLs have created along the Pacific Coast. It makes cultural, political, and geographic sense.

    What sense does it make to lop off San Francisco and Vancouver while including Boise and Couer d’Alene in the Pacific Northwest? Are you talking about geography or culture?

    (3) Third, I don’t know where you have gotten the idea that I am opposed to the Northwest as a White homeland. Do you remember the articles that I wrote about White Zionism?

    I argued that White Zionists should move to states like Idaho, Wyoming, and Montana. I have did an interview with a reporter in Wyoming about that article. Those states are all “Empty Corridor.”

    Does it make any sense for White Nationalists to move to Ecotopia? I don’t think so. That makes about as much sense as moving to South Florida.

  37. Re: Dixie

    (1) Blacks have ALWAYS LIVED in Dixie.

    Yes, there are millions of blacks here, but since when has that not been the case?

    (2) In 1900, 90 percent of blacks lived in the South, whereas in 2011 about 57 percent of blacks live in the South.

    (3) States like Mississippi and South Carolina used to be majority black, but today they are majority White.

    (4) In the South, blacks have never been the problem.

    The real problem is that White people who live in other parts of America like to impose their ideas about race upon us through their control of the federal government.

    (5) Yes, I would much rather live around blacks than SWPLs. I’ve lived around both and would pick blacks over SWPLs any day of the week.

    SWPLs are White, but so what? Their existence is an excellent illustration (which will be dealt with in the next post) of the bankruptcy of White Nationalism.

    Yes, SWPLs are White, but they are also race traitors. They hate racially conscious White people. Ethnically speaking, you are an alien to them.

    Yes, SWPLs are White, but race aside I have nothing in common with them, dislike them, and prefer to keep my distance from them.

    (5) What is a “White ethnostate”?

    It is a generic model, an abstraction created by intellectuals, a place which doesn’t exist, which doesn’t refer to any particular people, and appeals only to alienated people who have no roots in the past or any tradition to carry on into the future.

    (6) The best place to create “Whitemanistan” – the country of alienated White people on the internet – is a sparsely populated area like Empty Quarter.

    Then again, “Whitemanistan” is an abstract escapist utopia created by intellectuals, and for that reason there is no practical effort to bring it into existence, the lone exception being the Montana PLE.

    (7) I agree with Joel Garreau’s common sense distinction between “Ecotopia” and “Empty Quarter.” He has probably never heard of Harold Covington or Greg Johnson, but arrived at the same assessment of the Pacific Northwest, when I was in diapers in 1981.

    It is two different places – “Ecotopia” and “Empty Quarter.” Big Sky Country on one side, SWPLs and Starbucks and overcast on the other side.

  38. Jackson,

    Perhaps it is just the Southern redneck in me, but why would anyone want to live a rootless existence among complete strangers, especially hostile strangers who see you as some kind of moral leper, who think of themselves as better than you, and who go out of their way to make that plain to everyone?

    Oh, but those people have the same skin color that we do, and they recycle paper and plastic products, and they have a mass transit system. Sorry, but I don’t find that to be a really compelling argument.

    The Pacific Northwest has a great climate. It has great scenery and few blacks. I’m sure it is a nice place to visit.

    What it doesn’t have is White people with Southern culture and values, especially racial values, which allow someone like me to live a more or less openly racial life, whether it be in Ecotopia or Empty Quarter.

  39. Yes, I would much rather live around blacks than SWPLs. I’ve lived around both and would pick blacks over SWPLs any day of the week.

    SWPLs are White, but so what? Their existence is an excellent illustration (which will be dealt with in the next post) of the bankruptcy of White Nationalism.

    Yes, SWPLs are White, but they are also race traitors. They hate racially conscious White people. Ethnically speaking, you are an alien to them.

    Yes, SWPLs are White, but race aside I have nothing in common with them, dislike them, and prefer to keep my distance from them.

    By stating that Hunter you are arguing for the primacy of culture over race, basically siding with the Boasian culturalists rather than the biological/Darwinian race-first types.

  40. Race is important.

    It is not as immediately perceived as family, culture, and ethnicity though. Racial solidarity is essentially the idea that White people should unite on the basis of subspecies.

    While that makes more sense than humanism, since White people are more closely related to each other, racialism is still a more limited version of the same ideal, and suffers from many of the same problems.

    Humanists see all of the humanity as their brothers, but humanity has never accepted that paradigm.

    Likewise, White Nationalists believe all White people should unite, but in reality most White people don’t subscribe to racial philanthropy either.

  41. Likewise, White Nationalists believe all White people should unite, but in reality most White people don’t subscribe to racial philanthropy either.

    This criticism of White Nationalism relies on interpreting it as “all White people should unite”, which is not only transparently ad hoc, it’s self-contradictory, as the word nation applies to an ethnicity or tribe, not a race.

    You’re talking about White Imperium.

  42. Matt is right. Why you haven’t abandoned the ‘race over all’ creed is mind boggling. Our struggle is a question of what values our society lives by not the SWPL or People Of Walmart, race.

  43. This criticism of White Nationalism relies on interpreting it as “all White people should unite”, which is not only transparently ad hoc, it’s self-contradictory, as the word nation applies to an ethnicity or tribe, not a race.

    It’s not so much that it’s “ad hoc” as it is a “bridge too far.”

    Hunter,

    (5) What is a “White ethnostate”?

    It is a generic model, an abstraction created by intellectuals, a place which doesn’t exist, which doesn’t refer to any particular people, and appeals only to alienated people who have no roots in the past or any tradition to carry on into the future.

    Yes. But it’s also a solution (one solution, among others) to a set of very real problems, and so it’s not unreasonable to think it could be attractive on that basis. It’d be one thing if everything were going swimmingly and someone came up with, “People, listen to me. What we need is a White Ethnostate!” Nobody would pay him any attention. But things aren’t going swimmingly. People who call themselves WNs often overstate their case, but they have identified a number of pressing problems that have a way of commanding attention once one becomes aware of them.

    (5) Yes, I would much rather live around blacks than SWPLs. I’ve lived around both and would pick blacks over SWPLs any day of the week.

    Boy, you change direction faster than I can think of a metaphor to describe the speed with which you do it.

    Likewise, White Nationalists believe all White people should unite, but in reality most White people don’t subscribe to racial philanthropy either.

    Unrequited love is the lot of nationalists of all stripes.

  44. Matt,

    There are plenty of White Nationalists who subscribe to the “Our Race Is Our Nation” model and who see all White people everywhere in the world, whether French or Australian or American, as their co-ethnics who logically should unite against “them.”

    They are typically intellectuals who want to create a “White ethnostate” somewhere, anywhere really, it doesn’t matter so long as “White people” live there, Jews are excluded from the state, and the abstract model is realized.

    Historically speaking, “whiteness” was a marker of American ethnicity, especially Southern ethnicity. It was just one characteristic among others (English language, Protestant Christianity, republican political principles, etc.) that White Southerners used to define their own sense of identity (i.e., blacks were Christians, but they could never be White, and thus part of “us”).

    In the aftermath of World War II, traditional Americanism was shattered and replaced by the present cosmopolitan ideal, and the racial aspect of Americanism became disconnected from the larger package, where it was universalized and eventually took on a life of its own, which you refer to the “White Imperium” ideal that some people like that guy from Malta promote.

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