The Real World: The Hague

Geert Wilders drives a hard bargain in the Netherlands.

There has been a lot of debate back and forth about Hunter’s approach, a debate which has obviously struck a nerve with people.

For years, I have been debating these issues, and others besides, and I’ve never been able to come to any solid conclusion.  For most problems in life, the only proper answer is “it depends.”

However, I think we need to guard ourselves against over-analysis or over-investment in any particular idea and instead simply try to ground ourselves by looking to what works in the real world on the issues we care about.

Take Geert Wilders, for example.  He obviously fails the White Nationalist test.  He’s pro-Israel, he’s pro-liberal social values, he’s pro-welfare state.  His appeals regarding Muslims are grounded in terms of these people’s threat to liberal social democracy.

And here is what this sell-out just won in the Kingdom of the Netherlands as the price for the new government’s need for his party’s support in parliament.

Immigration and Integration

The many proposals in the area of immigration and integration include:

•           Quicker expulsion of convicted aliens.

•           Immigrants themselves are responsible for integration; must pay themselves for integration courses; and will face penalties if they fail to integrate.

•           Stricter asylum procedures; expedited repatriation policies; asylum seekers are to be assisted in their country or region of origin.

•           Drastic curtailment of opportunities to bring over partners or relatives within the context of family formation or reunification.  Stricter policies to counter fake or arranged marriages.

•           Stricter requirements for bringing over partners or relatives.

•           Discouragement of labor migration from outside EU & European Economic Space (EES).  However, knowledge migrants are welcome.

•           Permanent residence permit is only granted if sufficient language and skills qualifications have been achieved.

•           Illegal immigration status is to become a criminal offense, and illegal immigrants are to be expelled ASAP.

•           Every possible opportunity will be used to keep radical spiritual leaders out of the country.

•           Discontinuation of affirmative policies on the basis of gender or ethnic origin.

•           Introduction of general ban on wearing face-covering clothing, including the burqa.

•           The police and members of the judiciary are not permitted to wear headscarves.

•           Stricter qualifications for obtaining Dutch citizenship, including mandatory renouncement of other nationalities.

While decades of American WN activism has produced nothing, and modern “conservative” Republicans can barely mention the word “immigration,” this guy, working within the cultural context of his people, speaking to their modern values and language, pushed the argument to the Right and has won a victory American nationalists can only dream about.

This means something. Something real.

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49 Responses to The Real World: The Hague

  1. I haven’t been following Wilders.

    If this is true and pans out in the end, then I will concede that I was wrong about him. It will be interesting to see if any of this sticks and whether or not Wilders is willing to move in a more radical direction.

  2. ATBOTL says:

    This sounds good, but let’s see if any of it is actually implemented. The recent Labor government in the UK claimed numerous times that they were going to do a lot of similar things “real soon now” and then never actually did them.

    Even if all this comes to pass, the Netherlands will still be mostly non-white by the end of the century. We need to see this as a step in the right direction, not a great victory. We shouldn’t be celebrating until the proportion of nonwhites in Europe actually starts falling.

    I’m more encouraged by the recent success of the Freedom Party in Austria, which is much more in line with our views than Wilders. The people who currently lead the FPO appear to be thinly disguised white nationalists, unlike Wilders, who appears to be a egotistical opportunist neocon. The FPO has no neocon connections and the party has become more “radical”(ie overtly racial) since the Haider era. The demographic situation in Austria is much better than the NL too. It’s taken a much smaller and less dysfunctional immigrant population to trigger a similar backlash in Austria. Austria is a much more conservative country as well.

    By the way, the moderate nationalist party in Denmark got similar restrictions on non-Western immigration as what are being discussed for the Netherlands enacted several years ago in a coalition deal. This has been largely ignored by WN in the US.

    Denmark and Austria show that it is not necessary to go as far as Wilders does in advocating neoconism and leftism in order for an anti-immigration party to have electoral success and influence the political process.

    There is a growing network of Jewish nonconservative types in Europe working to subvert nationalism. They are working behind the scenes to promote anti-Islam rather than anti-immigration more broadly and Zionism. The people influenced by this network are using a lot of language that sounds like it could have come from an American GOP politician, which is no doubt the model. For example, making a big show out the idea that their nationalism has nothing to do with race. Wilders is one of these people. The Swedish Democrats, Vlaams Belang and the EDL are too. It’s not necessarily a matter of them being “controlled,” but rather influenced. As we have seen in here in the USA, if the influence goes too far, it will end up in defacto control where Jewish interests come first, second and last and white interests are actively worked against.

    I consider this a serious danger and others do too. So far, there has not been much a coordinated response to this. Jewish subversion in Europe consists of both the “anti-Jihad movement” writers and behind the scenes elements giving money and “advice.” These efforts are highly coordinated across borders, as all Jewish movements tend to be. Right now, many nationalists in Europe seem to be welcoming this “help.” Let’s hope we do not see a repeat of what happened to conservatism in America.

  3. Albert Jackson says:

    It will be implemented. This isn’t some party platform, this is the agreement hammered out by Wilder’s party as the price for its needed support for the new Christian Democrat-Liberal coalition party. Each of those two parties had party congresses specifically to approve working with Wilder’s Freedom Party.

    By definition, they have the votes in parliament to do it and if they don’t do it, Wilder’s Party can and will bring the Govt down, with the Liberal Party thus losing it’s first PM-ship in decades.

    Repeat: This is not simply a list of promises. This is the hammered out, months’ long list of agreed parliamentary actions among the three parties that support the government.

    Now, it’s not done til it’s done, but I want to make sure people understand what this is.

    And, again, marvel at how FAR AWAY we Americans are from this list.

    Or even discussing this list.

  4. Dennis says:

    Not to take away anything from Wilders’ accomplishments, but the Netherlands’ parliamentary system vs the system here in the US means that a minor 3rd party can have much greater chance of success there than here.

  5. Orlando says:

    The USA has 110 million non-Whites and 200 million Whites. No European country has demographics approaching that, thus it’s much easier to enact laws which restrict “diversity” and multiculti.

    Maybe the USA is not the future for a White ethnostate.

  6. icr says:

    Not to take away anything from Wilders’ accomplishments, but the Netherlands’ parliamentary system vs the system here in the US means that a minor 3rd party can have much greater chance of success there than here.

    The key thing is the extreme proportionality of the electoral system in the Netherlands. It results in-currently-12 parties being represented in parliament and the constant necessity of multi-party coalition governments.

  7. jack ryan says:

    I’ve always liked Geert Wilders and most of the anti Islam, anti immigration Dutch leftists like Pym Fortuyn, Theo Van Gogh. I never demand ideological purity from Nationalists, I support folks who know how to win – YES win in the current time and place they/we live in.
    Opposition to massive Arab, Asian Muslim immigration is just common sense; it’s what regular White people notice and are very afraid about. Those WN who continue to plow on like it’s 1930s Germany where there was no NW Muslim problem, these folks are just not living in the real world, they are in some fantasy world and these fantasy worlds always lead to conspiracy mongering kooks stuff to explain why they never win anything. Just spend some time around regular White folks and also put your personal body on the street in to some nasty Muslim ghetto – see lots of ugly, racial/cultural untermenschen that want to rape your sister, mother, daughter and want to beat up or kill you. You might try to hang out with these Paki/Arab Muslims for awhile, have some beers with them and try to take their side in the Arab Israeli conflict, but you’ll find that this is the same as some rich WASP getting all dressed up to go to Bed Stuy and make friends with the Blacks, try to tell street gang bangers that “some of your best friends are Black and how you really like Bill Cosby”.
    :-)
    And Geert Wilders has….
    Courage.
    It takes courage to get on international TV and clearly express opposition to Muslims to the Koran. Geert Wilders has to face the real possibility of getting murdered for sticking up for the rights of our people, so there is no way anyone should dismiss him as a sell out, traitor etc.

  8. Joe of the Mountain says:

    This is called “focus”. It means to concentrate on a single spot and prevail.

    Halloween costumed goose stepping and claims of superior holiness solve nothing.

    Forget WN. Look at the demise of the Episcopal church, the closest thing we’ve had to a Church of America, the “church of presidents” and almost half the American Founding Fathers.

    Bit by bit it was taken apart by the same people we complain of here and everywhere. Did they have ideological purity? No. They joined their local parishes and “worked the system” to move a venerable institution to be a tool of Liberation Theology Marxism.

    What did the so-called “orthodox” do about it? Most did nothing, claiming it didn’t affect them. Others simply voted with their feet and left. They were the smart ones, in retrospect. Others stayed on grounds of principle but, as in The Life of Brian, enjoyed arguing and fighting with other so-called “orthodox” Episcopalians over the superiority of their own idiosyncratic flavor of non-queer/feminist Episcopalian religion.

    The result? The Episcopal church is dead, a victim of commie body snatchers that maintained the outward appearance but utterly subverted the contents — and who destroyed any and everyone stupid enough to stay behind and opposed them, hell even those that wouldn’t enthuse were targetted for destruction in true Bolshevik style.

    If Whites are to preserve something of ourselves in a state of Liberty and freedom, the strategy of the “orthodox” Episcopalians is the surest way to lose. Keep in mind these people are not closet wackos blogging in mommy’s basement: these ARE the (former) WASP elite, with vast wealth, social prestige, impeccable breeding and connections.

    To the old world.

    WN cannot hope for even that much, marginalized as they are.

    On the other hand, what worked with Episcopal dissenters? Those that fled, who abandoned their claims on “TEC” (as it fashions itself), who concentrated on building their own faith communities/parishes/diocese with lots and lots of evangelism and outreach, SUCCEEDED. Not all but many ex-TEC parishes are thriving without so much as a care for the old corruption and duplicity.

    Their message was also clear and simple. Putting aside doctrinal disputes, most “reverted to the last known good coordinates” and base their worship on an older, but much loved version of the Book of Common Prayer. They focus on the simple truths of Christ’s message to the world. People understand. It is a positive environment for all.

    And they are winning souls.

    I submit a similar approach works in almost all circumstances. We as a people should learn and benefit from the mistakes and success of our brothers in other battles. Internecine warfare only hurts ourselves. Optimistic outreach wins friends and influences people.

  9. Nietzsche says:

    Is anyone really saying that there shouldn’t be a firewall between candidates and activism?

    No.

    What is being said is that

    1) The approaches from the past have led to the present nightmare

    2) Chief among those approaches is Christian doctrine. As long as being for your race is considered less moral than human brotherhood (Jews excepted, of course), then the march of race mixing will continued unabated until the white race is no more.

    Is it happening, or isn’t it? If we cannot diagnose the disease, forget about the niceties of the cure.

  10. Spectator says:

    Thanks Joe of the Mountain. As a “continuing Anglican/Jew-wise/white American” it is great to read such material here on OD.

    I cannot get excited about Wilders. People need to take seriously Hunter Wallace’s lucid statements regarding Jewish/neo-con influence. If they participate, it is to take over. Awareness of this has nothing to do with a gnostic desire for “purity” so much as a sober recognition of how they operate.

    A movement that achieves some semblance of a few of our goals under their auspices is simply the same old shit re-packaged for new political times. Sorry, do not want to rain on anyone’s parade. But that is how it is. They hate us and despise us. But that does not mean they are not unwilling to manipulate our anger and frustration, if they think this can serve their ends. For crying out loud, look at the whole history of the Civil Rights movement.

  11. VanSpeyk says:

    Albert Jackson,

    It is obvious to me, as a Dutchman, that you are keenly aware of current Dutch politics. And you are right that those policy goals could be implemented if they wanted it, since as you say they have a parliamentary majority. However, that majority is very small (76 out of 150 seats), and two of those coalition MPs have made a big fuss already about how much they loath what Wilders stands for and have all but threathened to pull out if he gets too much influence.

    Further, to say Wilders is pro-Israel is an understatement. He is obsessively so. He’s also marinated in a Jewish neo-conservative network; friends with Pamela Geller, Daniel Pipes, Israeli figures that are considered extreme even in their own country, his lawyer is Jewish, so is his wife, and the Dutch intelligence agency paid extra attention to him in the past because of his frequent visits to the Israeli embassy.

    Though it is irritating that such a small ethnic group as the Jews should (again) play such a prominent role in an important movement, what is really dangerous about it is that it leads to the adoption of a world-view that downplays the importance of race and ethnicity and instead focuses solely on Islamic culture.

  12. Dan says:

    Other posters have correctly observed that the approach Wilders is taking is not only different than that taken in Denmark or Austria, but is “neoconservative,” or pro-Israel. In addressing the former point, I have to go back to what Hunter Wallace has said recently about working within the mainstream.

    As we all should realize, the Netherlands is substantially further to the left than either Denmark or Austria. Whether Wilders is purposely doing this or not, he is moving the Netherlands further to the right and making immigration an issue in one of the most orthodox and consensus-driven states in western Europe. He says he is constructing an International Freedom Alliance, which would include the Sweden Democrats and the Danish People’s Party. Are these not good friends to have, from our perspective? This is all quite an accomplishment, but one that demands some diversions. One way to maintain some centrist credentials and not appear too extreme to the right (in the eyes of the mainstream) is to talk about how awesome Israel is. For a country such as the Netherlands, this doesn’t have any negative practical implications, while serving to mollify potential opposition (see link below).

    Because we have to understand, the Netherlands doesn’t have any impact on the situation in the Middle East, so all the praise Wilders shouts is irrelevant so long as it keeps his star from falling. Besides, criticizing Israel, as much as they deserve it, is increasingly counterproductive for our cause. Notice the new citizenship oath they have approved, which forces Palestinians who in the future want to become citizens of Israel to observe Israel as a “Jewish and democratic” state. It has been argued that Israel is setting an example for ethnocentric states around the world. Let them! Just as we use Japan as an example of a nation-state looking out for its own self-interests, so we can we use the state of Israel.

    The real threat Europe faces is from Islamic immigration. They have the most children, and are the most aggressive due to ideological and historical antipathies with the Occident. Meanwhile, the Jews in Europe may assimilate into nothingness over the next century.

    http://www.jpost.com/Features/FrontLines/Article.aspx?id=190616

  13. Alix says:

    “Meanwhile, the Jews in Europe may assimilate into nothingness over the next century.”

    Meanwhile, white Christians in Europe will almost certainly assimilate into nothingness over the next century. No maybes about it.

    Here’s Wilders as an 18 year old on his Kibbutz in Israel. With his original hair color:
    http://tinyurl.com/34yp59q

  14. jack ryan says:

    Those folks who demand ideological purity on Israel, Neo Conservatives, everything Jewish, tend to go for purity in most everything – economics, constitutions, soon it is religion – and so White Latter Day Saints aren’t right or are a great threat to our White Christian Constitutional Republic (like we ever had one) and so they gravitate to 1% political campaigns, lost causes or else they just don’t like regular White people and can’t understand why regular White people all over the world from New York City, to Holland, to Serbia and Russia can’t stand murderous, raping non White Muslims.
    The key issue here with Geert Wilder is:
    He is successful. His program, his personality sells very well to White folks in Holland and his success isn’t all the result of Jewish money, Jewish intrigue.
    When I and thousands of Californians worked to re-call Lib Dem Governor Gray Davis over his pledge to give CA drivers licenses to illegal aliens, we used the propaganda poster of an evil looking Osama Bin Ladin on a California Drivers License. This was extremely effective propaganda with strong racial/cultural themes.
    So opposing NW Muslim terrorism, NW Muslim immigration or just opposing NW Muslims – this works. This is successful.
    It is very sad, but true, so many American WN, American Patriots will have nothing to do with anything that works, that wins. They like to lose. It makes them feel better about themselves for being totally alone.

  15. Mary says:

    Jack Ryan writes:
    And Geert Wilders has….
    Courage.

    Yes. He does. It is the quality I admire most about him. A friend of mine saw his speech @ Ground Zero on Sept. 11th and said the amount of security he has to have with him is quite jarring to see.
    In addition, he has to move house every few days due to the ongoing threats of violence against him, and he has been living like this for years.
    I have long been a fan of Geert’s…..and because I too live in ‘Europe’, I am watching his trial closely in the hopes he will be acquitted of all the bullshit “hate speech” charges against him.
    I feel the same way about him as you Jack.

    And kudos to Albert Jackson for a great post.

  16. ATBOTL says:

    Jack Ryan, you are being very naive to give uncritical support to Wilders. As others have pointed out, he’s not really a nationalist in the same sense that other nationalists are. Wilders’ success is a positive development, but the man himself is is hardcore Zionist, vehemently denies the reality of race and has viciously attacked the BNP and Le Pen for talking about race and not kowtowing to Jews. Ideologically, he’s like an American neocon, the same people you presumably are opposed to when they operate over here. Wilders would no doubt denounce you if he knew who you were and what you believed in.

    Wilders’ success is in fact partially attributable to a Jewish nonconservative network that now exists in Europe, as noted by VanSpeyk, who actually lives there and knows what he is talking about. Jewish influence on nationalism in Europe is something that needs to be monitored and combated. The European neocon network/anti-Muslim network is something that has just coalesced in the last few years, so there is not a lot of information out there about it, but it is real and it is having an impact in moving the focus of nationalism in Europe away from white identity issues and towards support for specifically Jewish interests. This is exactly what happened to conservatism in America.

    Furthermore, Islam is not the only survival threat facing Europe. Birthrates in almost all Middle Eastern and North African countries(except Saudi Arabia, which is not a significant source of immigration to the West) are quite low now, below replacement in many cases. The part of the world where birthrates remain extremely high is sub-Saharan Africa. Black Africans are a growing portion of the nonwhites in Europe. In France, they are most of the new immigrants and have much higher birthrates than people of North African ancestry. You can see this in London and Paris, where blacks clearly now outnumber Middle Eastern types. Italy and Ireland have had very heavy black immigration too. That’s not to mention the vast numbers of Indians and Chinese. Even if all the Muslims were to disappear off the face of the earth, Europe would be facing an existential threat from non-Muslim immigration. As the black population continues to grow, the focus on Muslims exclusively will become untenable.

  17. Orlando says:

    If you support the idea of a White European ethnostate, supporting the Jewish ethnostate makes you sound credible and less anti-semite. Israel is a great place for Jews to live, don’t you think?

  18. Whatever his flaws, Geert Wilders is making progress in extremely inhospitable political terrain for nationalists, which is a lot more than can be said for the “rhetorical radicals” in the United States.

    Winning in the Netherlands is like successfully competing in Vermont or Massachusetts in America. There are lessons to be learned here.

  19. Why should a Dutch politician take an extreme stance on Israel? As Prime Minister, what could Geert Wilders possibly do to dislodge the Zionist colony in Palestine, which is armed with nuclear submarines? What could he do to change anything without power and influence?

  20. Dan says:

    Alix said, “Meanwhile, white Christians in Europe will almost certainly assimilate into nothingness over the next century. No maybes about it.”

    You’re right, if Europeans focus all their energy solely on Jews. They can successfully maintain their majority status by doing what Wilders is doing.

    We’ve been getting a ton of great news out of Europe these days. I just don’t understand the negativity.

  21. Jack Ryan says:

    ATBOTL says:
    October 12, 2010 at 10:33 pm
    >Jack Ryan, you are being very naive to give uncritical support to Wilders.
    JR replies:
    I am not giving uncritical support to Wilders – just noting that he has been very successful as have other populist/nationalists in Europe who make radical Islam/Islamic immigration/terrorism the #1 propaganda enemy.
    Wilders and the Swiss People’s Party are winners, they know how to reach the hearts and minds of regular White people that live in their countries now in this year 2010.
    Sure, it’s always a problem that Jewish neo Conservative forces will come and corrupt Nationalist leaders, parties as they have done to American Conservative movement, but just work to see that this doesn’t happen.
    I wish people would stop accusing me of being a “Neo Con” and for being naive and soft on the Jews. Check out my post presenting the Instauration article about the Spanish Inquisition, I supported the expulsion of all Jews from Spain in 1492 and the Inquisition. OK, so – it’s a pretty tough Jew hating crowd that says the Spanish expulsion of the Jews in 1492 and the Inquisition was “soft” or was really some Jewish Neo Conservative insider plot.
    ATBOTL says:
    “Furthermore, Islam is not the only survival threat facing Europe. Birthrates in almost all Middle Eastern and North African countries(except Saudi Arabia, which is not a significant source of immigration to the West) are quite low now, below replacement in many cases. The part of the world where birthrates remain extremely high is sub-Saharan Africa. Black Africans are a growing portion of the nonwhites in Europe. In France, they are most of the new immigrants and have much higher birthrates than people of North African ancestry. You can see this in London and Paris, where blacks clearly now outnumber Middle Eastern types. Italy and Ireland have had very heavy black immigration too. That’s not to mention the vast numbers of Indians and Chinese…”

    JR Replies
    Your problem – (and it is a huge problem) is that you insist on being “fair”, “factual” – quoting demographic statistics and trying to use, calm reason and fairness in the area of live or die, racial mass movements, politics.
    No one here, including me – thinks it is a good idea to flood Ireland with millions of Black Nigerians and we don’t care if any or even most of these Black Nigerians call themselves “Christian” or even “Catholics”. The point I am trying to make here and most everywhere else is:
    Go with what works. Try to be competitive and actually try to win something – look around and see Whites who are being competitive and are winning things?
    Well in Holland and Switzerland and Denmark and Serbia and California and New York, opposing ugly, hostile, racially alien Muslims works and works very, very well. Even supposedly liberal White countries like Holland – are very fearful of NW Muslims, so when some White populist/nationalist leader like Geert Wilders or the Swiss People’s party stands up to the invading Muslims, Islamic extremists and puts his life on the line saying to the NW Muslim world:
    “This is our country and you can not take over our country, change our country” – regular White folks, even Whites on the Liberal/Left hail Wilders as a hero. And making Islamic extremists the propaganda enemy works so well at knocking down the self righteous power of anti racist PC types who are forced to defend brutal Muslim practices like honor killings, female circumcision, cruelty to animals and just defend mobs of scary looking NWs holding signs threatening to “behead infidels”.
    ATBOTL says:
    “Black Africans are a growing portion of the nonwhites in Europe. In France, they are most of the new immigrants and have much higher birthrates than people of North African ancestry. You can see this in London and Paris, where blacks clearly now outnumber Middle Eastern types. Italy and Ireland have had very heavy black immigration too. That’s not to mention the vast numbers of Indians and Chinese…”
    JR Replies:
    OK, so let’s see your proposed propaganda campaign making African Nig($*@ and Chinks and Indians the Enemy – let’s see you try to sell this in polite, liberal/Left areas of Holland, Sweden or Blue State America.
    The point I try to make over and over on O.D. is to learn what works and what doesn’t work – try to be successful. Don’t try to sell free market libertarian economic conservatives to unemployed auto workers in Michigan. Don’t try to push German Nationalism in England. Don’t try to sell Religious Right Bible Belt nationalism in White liberal areas and visa versa.
    Go with what works. And right now, coming out and opposing the Islamization of Europe works, it’s a big winner.
    Great job Geert Wilders – good job in winning. Isn’t it better to win than, always, always losing?

  22. Earlmundo Armand Pitts III says:

    Geert Wilders and Jimbo Traficant must have the same barber. :)

  23. Political Pessimist says:

    I used to think that he was a sellout, but reading Occidental Dissent’s advice for white nationalists changed my opinion of him.

    Sometimes, one does need to compromise and adopt a flexible attitude in order to achieve victory. Ultimately, I believe it’s more important to succeed than be “uncompromising” and unwilling to work within “the system.”

    European nationalist politicians have achieved victories American white nationalists can currently only dream of. Surely, we can learn something from them.

  24. Alex says:

    Discouragement of labor migration from outside EU & European Economic Space (EES). However, knowledge migrants are welcome.

    I already see an opt out clause in this crackdown on immigration that allows the continued flooding of Holland with more nonwhite immigration.

  25. I used to think Geert Wilders was a sell out. If you search the archives, you will see that I argued with Friedrich Braun about him last year. I will happily admit that I was wrong if these changes pan out and Geert Wilders moves the political spectrum to the right.

  26. Bob in Idaho says:

    Geert Wilders has x1 in a high degree, and x1 is good for our side, and Wilders not only survives but has done spectacularly well in the political arena, at least compared to anyone on our side. Wilders has x2, x3 which is negative to our side, and he has to a high degree x4 which is very negative to our side.

    And that says it all. Each person in their own way has to balance off the pros and cons.

    Wilders is an example of someone who has x1 to a high degree and who has made it in politics and where x1 is very good for our side. Wilders with his x1 has a big effect on the public. As for Jewish involvement and exploitation of the situation, I think we just have to accept it and fight it, as part of the next stage where some x1 people are successful in politics. The other path is that no one in politics has any x’s at all on our side. (This kind of trade-off is the kind of thing that Jewish people have been doing for probably well over a century, and you can see that they eventually became very successful.)

  27. Jack Ryan says:

    Check out this interview with Geert Wilders:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0jUuzdfqfc

    He is speaking basic, common sense positions on Islam, the West etc.

    He comes off as intelligent, principled, fair, honest and also courageous.

    I would hope some people would say the same things about me.

  28. Erik Nordman says:

    The Sweden Democrats are largely run by Jewish twin brothers, who are very unpopular and controversial in the party.

  29. Who cares what decadent Europe does. Here in America it’s the Tribe – and our own gutlessness – that’s the source of our miseries. By all means support this or that Wilders-like TP candidate who, at least, are good on immigration issues; let’s just don’t kid ourselves that it’s anything more than a stopgap. Ultimately, either we break the Tribe, or the Tribe breaks us.

  30. Silver says:

    friends with Pamela Geller

    How on earth did this mediocrity become so influential? (In relative terms, I mean. WNs can dream of that sort of access to mainstream politicians.)

  31. jack ryan says:

    CompassionateFascist says:
    October 13, 2010 at 7:54 am
    “Who cares what decadent Europe does?”

    JR replies:
    This is a very negative attitude – taking a “who cares about other White people in some other place” position.
    Jews care about other Jews anywhere in the world and they work to help their own people all the time.
    With so many White Americans, it’s “Who cares” about these other Whites. I’m not White Dutch, I’m not White French, I’m not White South African – in fact I hate all these FOREIGN people”.
    And worst of all, we seem to get the “who cares” attitude when Whites in some other country achieve some inspiring victory – like a nationalist, immigration control political victory or a huge sports victory – some White European boxer winning the heavyweight boxing championship against an arrogant, anti White Black, or an all White Spanish soccer team winning the Soccer World Cup in Black dominated South Africa.
    These victories by our White kinsmen in Europe should INSPIRE Whites in America to work for similar victories here, but instead we get the “Who cares” attitude and then laments that JEWS control everything so there’s really no use in trying anything else or trying anything.

    “Who cares”?

    We care – we think it’s great that our White kinsmen are winning so many important victories in Europe and (if we look hard enough) victories in the USA.

  32. Svigor says:

    Maybe the USA is not the future for a White ethnostate.

    America is among the few places with a future for a white ethnostate, or at least, better prospects than Europe.

    Think Austria’s ever going to be a white ethnostate? Think again. An Austrian ethnostate, sure. But a white ethnostate? I think not. Same goes for the rest of Europe. Now, I’m definitely not above learning German and moving to Austria, but would they even have me?

    America, Canada, Australia, Russia – these are the places I see a future for a white ethnostate.

  33. Svigor says:

    Now, a haven for white advocacy, there’s a different question. A European country going ethnopatriotic would no doubt be a haven for white ethnopatriot expatriates. :) The difference being numbers. An ethnopatriotic European state would probably be sympathetic enough to host white dissidents.

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  35. TabuLa Raza says:

    “How on earth did this mediocrity become so influential?”
    She has fiends in high places.

  36. Alex says:

    America is among the few places with a future for a white ethnostate, or at least, better prospects than Europe.

    What are you nuts? I hope all the Western nations survive but America has the least prospects of being a White ethnostate. The demographic argument is very persuasive. Sixty five percent White compared to European nations with 90-95 percent European populations, Australia 90 percent White and Canada 83 percent White. That’s sounds like neocon talk about America standing alone in the world in the cause of freedom because our unwashed masses are mostly Mexican immigrants instead of muslims. You want to know the truth of what’s really going to happen? If America doesn’t get its act together we’re going to see massive emigration out of the country including the most skilled of us. America is like one giant neighborhood and once a tipping point has been reached in the ethnic balance we’re going to see millions leave. We’ve seriously given thought to moving to Argentina and have even renewed my passport for a two week vacation I’m planning. I’m even planning on taking Spanish lessons next month at the community college. Don’t kid yourself. This country is alot less desirable to live in than even 20 years ago. There’s alot more wrong than just the demographics too. People are less intelligent, the culture is dying, lack of morals, no work ethics, etc. There’s a spiritual problem with America that can’t be fixed by politics even if you can get the idiot electorate to vote for people who will actually do something about it instead of latching on to the latest “celebrity” conservative.

  37. LEW says:

    I’m considering Uruguay myself. 85% of the population is of European descent.

  38. Bob in Idaho says:

    An even blunter and more dramatic youtube by Wilders – they even have sort of pounding movie music in the background
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQOCcx5V9RI&feature=related

  39. Bob in Idaho says:

    Hmm. I just watched the end of the that youtube. And it goes all the way pro-Israel. In fact, you get the impression that as soon as Wilders starts going gah gah for Israel, a few in the audience are starting to applaud, they are coming alive, they are beginning to live, and it only becomes more so over the next few minutes, with more and more applauding.

    In the film Blue Velvet, the characters say several times, and especially at the end, it’s a strange world. That’s how I felt watching the end of this youtube. Nevertheless, the rest is way beyond what our side could hope to accomplish at present. It’s really amazing. I mean, the pounding movie music is there and everything. Awesome.

  40. Bob in Idaho says:

    Alix and Lew have really interesting ideas – the US is going down hill. Just like a dying city or like California, get out of the dying place. People are dong that a lot between cities and states. Why not whole countries? Yes. I used to think of escaping to Europe, however that idea lasted about half a second.
    But Argentina, Uruguay. Also these countries have been historically independent. And a whole country has its own laws. It doesn’t have the never ending uphill battle that is everywhere in the states.

  41. jack ryan says:

    Bob in Idaho says:
    October 14, 2010 at 4:43 am
    “Hmm. I just watched the end of the that youtube. And it goes all the way pro-Israel. In fact, you get the impression that as soon as Wilders starts going gah gah for Israel, a few in the audience are starting to applaud, they are coming alive, they are beginning to live, and it only becomes more so over the next few minutes, with more and more applauding.”

    JR Replies: I agree that this video of G. W. has way too much pandering to Jews, Israelis – but what’s the audience? Something called “Florida Security council”? This must be filled with Florida Jews, White Christian Zionists the like, so Wilders is telling the crowd what it wants to hear: America as the defender of the free world, standing up to terrorism with it’s ally Israel – brings back memories of World War II and America defeating Hitler (Hitler is of course included meeting with some Muslim Arab guy with bad facial hair). Yeah, I don’t like it – but the key point to remember is that Geert Wilders does very effective propaganda – he shows courage in facing up to ugly, hateful NW Muslims and his speeches and videos always include great photos and videos of really scaring looking, murderous NW Muslims – G.W.’s propaganda reaches the “hearts and minds” of Whites. Wilders doesn’t just talk talk talk about economics, hard currency money supplies, Constitutions, free market libertarian policies that are of little interest to 95% of the White audience. My advice is for everyone here to study what works – Geert Wilders works, he’s effective, he wins. Please don’t embrace losing on some ideological purity line of living and thinking.

  42. Alix says:

    “Argentine political life is like the life of an ant community or an African forest tribe: full of events, full of crisis and deaths, but life is always cyclical, and the year ends as it begins.”
    V.S. Naipaul

    Has anyone read Naipaul’s essay on Argentina?
    If memory serves, he was not a fan.

  43. jack ryan says:

    Alix says:
    Has anyone read Naipaul’s essay on Argentina?

    J.R Replies:
    No but found these comments by Naipaul in an interview with a British woman named ELIZABETH HARDWICK in 1979:

    In 1972, he went to Argentina. “I was appalled. The people thought their problems were political, but I see it as the nature of the country, the way the society was founded. They cannot face things, such as the killing of the Indians for their land. They lie to themselves every day and try to invent a sort of cosmic mythology. . . . There is a certain ‘scum’ quality in Latin America. They imagine that if you kill the right people everything will work. Genocide is their history.”

    This doesn’t sound so necessarily bad to my ears. I really like Naipul as he is usually very honest and has an educated, moral White British education, but gets to go places like Iran after the Islamic revolution, go places and just observe, where a White western person could not go and do the same.
    Naipaul has the fatalistic, stoic Hindu outlook that the entire world is going down as it is the latter days of Kali Yuga, where everything good is decaying and dying – and nothing anyone but the last incarnation of Vishnu (or the 2nd Coming of J.C.) can change, thus the duty of an honorable man is to soldier on, fulfill one’s dharma. Naipaul can be counted on to dismiss all Non White social mass movements, dismiss all Black African nations as hopeless, at the same time, reach down and find, note, individual Blacks of worth in a simple way. Naipul would have been fine in the Old South with slavery or Jim Crow laws.

  44. Alix says:

    “Naipul would have been fine in the Old South with slavery or Jim Crow laws.”

    Right, JR. You nailed him. Maybe it’s his Brahmin blood.
    If I didn’t know, I would assume an aristocratic, crusty old Englishman had written much of his work. His literate racism is refreshing. Wish more white men were so inclined.
    He dismisses much of Argentine culture as silly, childish, lacking in gravity. Qualities endemic to the entire Third World.
    I won’t be repatriating until someone cleans up the British Isles. Anglophone forever.

  45. LEW says:

    @BobInIdaho:

    Uruguay jumped up on my radar when I ran into an acquaintance from college who had just returned to the US after living there for 4 years. His biggest complaint, get this, was that there was little diversity, multiculturalism and foreigners. Otherwise he thought Uruguay was great if you are willing to put up with not living in an “advanced” nation.

    Obviously taking my family out of the country will be an absolute last resort, but if it comes to that I’d rather take my chances in a developing country in South America than in Imperial non-White America.

  46. ATBOTL says:

    “Whatever his flaws, Geert Wilders is making progress in extremely inhospitable political terrain for nationalists, which is a lot more than can be said for the “rhetorical radicals” in the United States.

    Winning in the Netherlands is like successfully competing in Vermont or Massachusetts in America. There are lessons to be learned here.”

    Agreed. I’m just saying we need to be careful this isn’t the first step towards the neutering of the nationalist movement in Europe instead of the first step towards genuine nationalism getting a foot hold. There are forces working towards the former and they have gained a lot of influence in the last 2-3 years or so.

  47. Bob in Idaho says:

    Alex versus Alix
    It was Alex who wrote

    We’ve seriously given thought to moving to Argentina and have even renewed my passport for a two week vacation I’m planning. I’m even planning on taking Spanish lessons next month at the community college. Don’t kid yourself. This country [the US] is alot less desirable to live in than even 20 years ago.

    Then it was Alix (and Jack Ryan) who discussed V. S. Naipaul’s pretty negative essay on Argentina.

    Years ago I myself knew a citizen in the US who came from Argentina. He didn’t seem to have any Indian blood, he was either Spanish or Portuguese. But his thinking was susceptible to far out political ideas that were pretty bad at taking into account facts from different sides. He caused a lot of damage because of that, and it has always made me think of how much damage people can do when their judgment goes too much off.

    But neither Naipual, nor my experience with one person, should deter Alex from checking out Argentina. It’s of lot a work checking out a new place, and even then there’s risk. You just got to balance things out the best you can, also balancing risks, and make the best decision that you can. I’ve taken two trips to places in the US to check them out, places which investigation suggested would be really great for me. The place that had a really great magazine article in a well-known magazine turned out to be awful.

    What is best is to know someone really well who lives there already and who is like yourself. Then you get the real inside story. But how often does that happen? Still, it can be a lot of fun moving to a new place, and extremely educational and insightful, if a little rough at times. Sometimes if you are able to, it can position you to move a second time, after you’ve become a lot more knowledgeable.

  48. Bob in Idaho says:

    Dan writes

    The real threat Europe faces is from Islamic immigration.

    The immediate threat is Islamic immigration. The real threat Europe faces is from Jewish power such as ownership and influence in the media, power that has created Islamic immigration into Europe (and Mexican immigration into the US).

    We definitely need to fight against the West being turned into an Islamic world. And it will be hard for most people to understand the larger story. But now and then someone should point out why we have all the Islamic immigration. And for God’s sake, don’t get fanatical in how you say it because that just seals the ears of people who we want to talk to. Try to get hold of facts that work for you in the way you talk to others. And now and then, calmly, briefly, non-apologetically, let others know these facts. Sometimes.

  49. Luke says:

    Wilders Acquitted of all charges!? Gee whiz! Being a cynical sort of white nationalist, I’m somehow very suspicious of this odd ruling. Let’s see now. Wilders is a neo-con and a huge toe kisser for one particular middle eastern nation that the neo-cons like to maneuver the White Western nations into fighting wars for. Could this be a not-so-subtle message that to stay out of the ‘hate speech’ gulags, you need to genuflect at the feet of one particular middle eastern nation and promise to not oppose their agenda? And, as always – whenever any pro-white organization or pro-white leader signs on to this deal with the enemy – the pro-white agenda is somehow always subverted and the pro-enemy agenda takes its place. In other words, business as usual. Don’t fall for this tactic, white man. And keep your radar on high alert and be on constant watch for it to be pulled on you.

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