Holocaust Denial exemplifies at once everything that’s wrong with our movement. It frames us as dangerous, cruel, and irrelevant. But more importantly, it betrays a fundamental error in judging the nature of the challenge before us. In the denier’s mind, the challenge is to awaken people to Jewish lies. That’s secondary, at best. Our challenges are to persuade White Americans that they’re a common people with a common fate and to persuade them that we’re their most credible and trustworthy advocates.
What deniers seem to paradoxically understand and forget is how malleable facts are in the hands of an oligarchy that dominates our keystone institutions. Folks don’t have an intuitive understanding of what matters and what does not. They look to their peers and their authorities for context. Herein lies the majority of the power wielded by media and academia. Had it been in their interests, 9/11 could have been swept aside as an unfortunate isolated incident, like the attack on the U.S.S. Liberty. Had it been in their interests, “Remember the Knoxville Horror!” could have been a rallying cry for removing Black thugs from White American streets once and for all.
Facts just don’t matter that much. Power matters. Influence matters. One can see this in the instigation of the Iraq War by the Zionist Jews in Washington. These people are getting more and more bold and sloppy, and left a clear paper trail demonstrating that they acted as agents of a foreign government to trick us into a war that’s disastrously against our national interests with falsified documents and a coordinated campaign across our government, our media, and our academic institutions.
In a parallel universe where facts matter in politics, David Frum would be rotting in solitary confinement and Matt Hale would be a free man. Instead, Matt Hale is among the living dead in unthinkable isolation and David Frum is sitting atop millions of dollars, merrily posting articles on his “conservative” site about how great Israel is because gay Jews can parade buck naked on the streets of Toronto. The fact that you could fill a swimming pool with American blood that David Frum is directly and demonstrably responsible for spilling is irrelevant. Of course, to even point this out is immoral and unacceptable, since people like David Frum control the terms of “mainstream” discourse.
Sure, the truth is important. But the advocate has a right and a responsibility to carefully select which truths to present to the target audience. Leading with WWII historical trivia, especially WWII historical trivia which has been rendered radioactive in the minds of our target audience, would be inadvisable even if the Holocaust™ was a lie. Even if Elie Wiesel and Abe Foxman issued a joint press release declaring that it was a total fabrication, the sheer irrelevance of the subject would leave a prudent advocate with more pertinent matters to address.
Besides. It did happen. The word “Holocaust” is a marketing slogan that should be dismissed as such in favor of “genocide”. But the root issue isn’t whether or not the official version is padded with bullshit. It assuredly is, and has been shown to be time and again. But it’s also been shown that innocent civilians, including women and children, were killed in Nazi Germany for being Jewish. No serious historian denies that assertion. The precise number doesn’t matter. What matters is that the basic assertion is true – that Nazi Germany’s treatment of the Jews was genocidal. I would certainly believe it was genocidal if it were happening to my people.
The Jewish people are guilty of 20th century genocides and war crimes, too. Hell, they’re still going at it. A quicker and easier way to defuse the Holocaust mythology is to provide historical episodes or examples from the nearest newspaper that destroy the preposterous notion that Jews are a powerless bunch of perpetual victims. In doing so, you force the discourse back into the present, where it belongs.
It’s unacceptable how Western Civilization in general and the German people in particular are being subjected to a campaign of blood libel by the Holocaust hustlers. It’s unacceptable that these hustlers are harassing elderly war veterans with bogus charges. It’s unacceptable that they imprison historians for skeptical inquiry. It’s unacceptable that they keep using it as a pretext to initiate “preemptive” aggression. These are often politically relevant, but only because Jews make them so. And when we engage these issues, there are far more effective ways to do so than to deny the Holocaust.
The budding activist would do well to ask what quantifiable objective Holocaust Denial ever achieved for our people or press a Denier to explain how it could accomplish anything. He won’t be able to answer you, because Denial is about cryptkeeping. A stagnant movement gathers a lot of undesirables, and chief among them are the cryptkeepers, men who live entirely in a different time and place than the present. Most of them have barely concealed contempt for the contemporary White Americans they pretend to be advocates for. Their hearts and minds are in Nazi Germany, or the antebellum South, or even a mythical Hyperborea of Aryan demigods.
Our heritage and our forefathers are to be honored. But they’re to be honored by defending their legacy and their progeny – not by obsessively perceiving everything in the present as avatars of their bygone times and places. It’s the difference between a man who honors the traditions of his forebears and those sad situations where senile old ladies sleep beside their dead husband for months because they can’t bear to let go.
Occidental Dissent is very much a “Wild West” of pro-Western discussion. As Gregory Hood suggests, there’s a delicate balance between being an activist and an intellectual, a fine line that OD is constantly treading. That risible video that denies the Holocaust, idolizes Hitler, and condemns Christianity can only serve to alienate our target audience. But I don’t think the kind of people who deny the Holocaust care. The days that this movement will be able to carry both anti-American cryptkeepers and White American advocates are numbered. I hate being divisive, but the two factions only superficially appear to share the same goals and the hateful bile they’re incessantly spitting up against Christians can only be tolerated for so long.
‘It’s unacceptable that they imprison historians for skeptical inquiry. It’s unacceptable that they keep using it as a pretext to initiate “preemptive” aggression. These are often politically relevant, but only because Jews make them so. And when we engage these issues, there are far more effective ways to do so than to deny the Holocaust.’
Have I mentioned that Kevin MacDonald is asking for contributions to help translate an important Russian book?
http://uncontroversial.wordpress.com/2010/07/07/kevin-macdonald-announces-chapter-18-of-200-years-together/
I seem to recall the parable of the Widow’s Mite.
http://www.ewtn.com/gallery/tnt/nt8s.htm
Let them have their Holocaust. Maybe it’s just me and Jesse Jackson, but I’m sick and tired of hearing about the Holocaust. It has no more impact on me. My private response is, “What hustle are you trying to run?” My approximate public response is, “Get over it. It didn’t happen to you. It was 65 years ago. Nobody is weeping for the dead Cambodians or Ukrainians or Tutsis, either, so let’s move on.” Jews will freak, but most adults are as tired of this stuff as we are, and are not moved by Jewish theatrics. Essentially, Holocaust worship is a bore if you’re not a true believer, and White people are glad to change the topic.
My public response when bothered about the Holocaust is to declare that genocide is horrible and that it’s great for Jews that they now have their own sovereign country to protect them and their interests. This brings the conversation to an ethnonational frame so I can assert that “We, too, should have our own sovereign country looking out for us and our interests.”
Just remember the proper order of replies in an argument. “Even if those are the facts, what you draw from them is wrong / wrongly derived.” comes before “And those aren’t even the facts!” Especially in this case where arguing about the facts requires skill in disciplines that neither you nor your opponent have, when exercise of that discipline is simply outlawed where it could do the most good, and widely loathed elsewhere. Especially when total victory on this point wouldn’t even matter, as you acknowledge. If “six million Jews” stops being an effective bludgeon, they’ll get another one. They’re pretty good at “shut up” rhetorics.
The difference between an intellectual and an advocate: the first shouldn’t affirm the facts, as you do, even in part. Non-historians shouldn’t get drawn into historical revisionism when “and therefore whites are evil and wicked” is on the table. The advocate should affirm the Holocaust in a weak, “sure.” “yeah, yeah.” way; it’s true, but it doesn’t matter, and you can win even if you’re forced to talk only about how it doesn’t matter.
But why not challenge the facts in your spare time? Listen to the Heretics Hour on Voice of Reason and keep it as a secret spine-stiffener.
Other than the fine men at Spirit-Water-Blood and the anonymous “Cambria Will Not Yield”, I cannot think of a lot of “Christians” who give a damn about much more than watching TV. (Oops, I forgot the Political Cesspool.)
Among the non-heretical Christians, I cannot think of any churchmen who do not advocate the replacement of their white congregations by a sea of brown faces.
I think I did a pretty good job of mocking its cultists on reddit, before I cared as little as I do about it.
“I’m actually pained by my suspicion that he’s talking about the Holocaust. It’s now transcended time and space, I guess. It is always present. No matter where you go, it is there. Under any political regime, it threatens. Yesterday, tomorrow, it was and will be as it is right now.”
Against the idea that anti-anti-semitism is about religious protection, (delinked):
“‘Anti-semites’ do not go around mainly saying that Moses was a dick, that the law was accumulated early legislation — or that Jews are vicious fools for denying the Trinity, whatever the Muslims believe, and the superior gods of the Babylonians.
They go around talking about Jews. So it is a special protection of a harried and threatened underclass which merely controls Hollywood, the media, Wall Street, and as much of the government as these more obvious posts give them. You see how vulnerable they are? They could be gassed, all of them, tomorrow!”
If open debate of the Holocaust is not a threat to those currently in power, why do you suppose it is illegal in most White countries?
Well Matt Parrot you are wrong dead wrong. Exposing the lies of these Eternal Tormentors of Humanity are very important. Weather it be how New York Jew Bankers of Kuhn Loeb along with Jacob Shiff financed Leon Trotsky 20 million in gold in 1917 ( That’s about 1.2 Billion dollars today) to fund the Bolshevik/Jew Russian Revolution and cost the lives of over 25 million Christians butchered to death and starved. All at the hands of the Jews and their white enablers. Or how the Jews crashed the stock market in 1929 and bought up newspapers,farms,buisnesses and factories for pennies on the dollar. People need to know the truth or at least get a good understanding of it. They need to know the FDR was a puppet controled by Henry Morganthu sr. and Bernard Baurch and FDR’s New Deal was nothing but a Marxist Jew deal.
They need to know that in 1933 just 2 months after Her Hitler came to power that Judea declared War on Germany and had a world wide boycott on all goods made in Germany. They need to know about the Federal Reserve and how it is controled by 6 Jewish banking houses and loan money at intrest to the U.S government. Yes Germany was Free, they printed their own money thus owned no intrest to the International Jew.
During the 1930’s Germany was the only country advancing and prospering, while Jew controled countries people were starving to death and majority bof the people unemployed. Now I don’t know who you are, your probably a Jew and I could care a less. But I am a German and the Germans made up the most of any ethnic population in the U.S. The American lemmings were duped into murdering their own Brothers and sisters in Germany on behalf of the Jew. Germany’s only crime was to free herself from the International Jew. But all good people that read this site, don’t take my word for it just look around at the world today. How does the world look to you since 1945? All of our western countries are resembling 3rd world ceaspools. Who are you going to blame for this Her Hitler? Look at who promotes race mixing, pornography,drugs,rap, and every other thinbg that is alien to our people. The answer always comes back to the Jew. Who told you that Germany and National Socialist( There is no such thing as ‘nazi’s unless you mean Ashkenazi, nazi was a Jew coined put down like ‘Japs’) The Jews of course, why would you believe them over your own people? It is like your grandfather telling you something and then some degenerate down the street telling you something else.
No the Holohoax is important. If the Parasitic Jew didn’t make 10,000 lie pictures about it and bring it up every time one is caught with their hand in the cookie jar, we might move on. But smashing the Jews house of cards starts with the holohoax. Over 20 million of our Brother and sisters in Germany were murdered because they dare free themselves from the Jews. The best most honorable ,loving and intelligent people died because of these ghetto rats. No we must never forget, what the Eternal Tormentors of Humanity have done to our people.
Learning the truth and unbrainwashing oneself is never trivial. The holohoax is just one of the many many lies that the Jews have told. We can’t let them get away with that. Kill the best of the Gentiles is what the talmund says ( talmund, dirtiest book of fith ever written by the hand of man) well over 100 million of our people were butchered in the first half of the 20th century. Why has no one ever mentioned or cared about that? Each and everyone of these people were 1,000X more noble then a Ghetto Rat, but all you hear about is Ghetto Rats, Why?
The importance of the word “strategic” in the title should of Mr. Parrott’s post should not be overlooked, IMO.
Holocaust revisionists aren’t even reliable White patriots. Most of them appear to be mere anti-semites (I’m thinking Ernst Zündel, Mark Weber and even David Irving, although he’s not really a denier). Further, most anti-semites these days are not racists in the sense that their issue is against jews/Zionists and not FOR Whites.
The White patriot’s reason to deny the gas chambers and so on is to detoxify the Nazi regime, which in it’s pre-war period appears to have been the best model for a White society yet devised (great economy, great national pride, great fertility, great progressive eugenics, great science and great optimism). The mere anti-semite’s reason to be a denier is to attack the jews and often to delegitimize the existence of Israel. Neither group has had any noticeable effect, other than bringing further disrepute to themselves in the eyes of most.
And… I look like an idiot.
The days that this movement will be able to carry both anti-American cryptkeepers and White American advocates are numbered. I hate being divisive, but the two factions only superficially appear to share the same goals and the hateful bile they’re incessantly spitting up against Christians can only be tolerated for so long.
I don’t think your ultimatum is going to keep them away.
A better idea is to have a response handy for what your “association” with them is when the inevitable accusation is made.
A prominent division in the factions you note is related to their racial “intensity.” There are racists and then there are racists, who are sick to the very pits of their stomachs with racial loathing. So they consequently feel only a racial casus belli as compelling as holo rev will stoke the flames of an exquisite sort of indignation they regard as necessary to inspire racial feelings in others on par with their own. Very well, I’m not here to judge them. But I think you, Parrot, will agree that the record of the futility of this approach is quite clear, and that there is every reason to believe that, much worse than futile, it is positively counter-productive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhz6xE4Tir0&feature=player_embedded#!
For Silver
Robert Reis,
You’re generally correct about the sorry state of Christians in contemporary America. My retort is that atheists in America are in an equally sorry state. I believe that many atheists have a firm grasp of the facts and many Christians have a strong sense of stewardship. I don’t see many atheists with a strong sense of stewardship and I don’t see many Christians who understand the problem.
Jimmy Marr,
I think they believe that they would prefer to make a lot of things illegal to say or think, but that Holocaust Denial is the only one the goyim will go along with at this juncture.
JungleBoots92,
I hope that you find the help you need. By help, I mean help with spelling and grammar.
NBG,
I failed to cover that, but you’re absolutely right. I really feel that a lot of the “revisionist” historians are true historians who are merely stringing movement types along for fun and profit. Trying to have an adult conversation with one about contemporary political activism is an illuminating experience. Additionally, many anti-Semites are exploiting us in a similar manner.
Silver,
I think you characterize “revulsionists” pretty accurately, and I commonly think of that when I see them coughing up shards of glass and rusty nails all over the discourse.
That last paragraph was less of an ultimatum than a recognition of an inevitable rift. The problem is that they can’t create their own sustainable movements, so they hitch onto more credible and productive movements as parasites. Nordicists (not to be confused with Nordish Preservationists) do the same thing, infesting pan-European organizations and working to drive away all the Meds and Slavs so that they become Nordic Adventure Clubs without the leadership even realizing it’s happening.
Djungleboots: wie du wirklich Deutsch bißt, warum schreibst du “Her” und nicht “Herr”?
In addition, you are entirely wrong on the issue. Any blabber about national socialism, Hitler (who totally betrayed the party program and the social ideas of the movement) and the holocaust are counter-productive.
I believe that there is a deep and unbridgeable divide between, on the one hand, White Nationalists, Neo-Conferates, racially aware Paleo-Cons and similar folks, and, on the other hand, klansmen, neo-nazis, uniforms fetischists, holocaust deniers and their ilk.
The latter are destroying any progress that is made and might as well be encouraged and/or paid by the enemy to sabotage the struggle, and in many cases I’m sure they are.
But it’s also been shown that innocent civilians, including women and children, were killed in Nazi Germany for being Jewish. No serious historian denies that assertion. The precise number doesn’t matter. What matters is that the basic assertion is true – that Nazi Germany’s treatment of the Jews was genocidal.
Sorry, but that some Jews were killed by the Nazis (which is acknowledged by all Holocaust deniers) does not prove that the Nazis wanted to kill them all (i.e. commit genocide). Nice try, though.
What deniers seem to paradoxically understand and forget is how malleable facts are in the hands of an oligarchy that dominates our keystone institutions. Folks don’t have an intuitive understanding of what matters and what does not. They look to their peers and their authorities for context. Herein lies the majority of the power wielded by media and academia.
This, I think, invalidates most of the rest of your argument. Most people are not going to listen to us anyway, no matter what we do. “Racism” is a taboo that they will not break. The few free-thinking types (essentially all of whom will be non-Christian) who care about the truth and will evaluate unpopular ideas on their merits will not be so easily “offended”, and in fact will be put off more by any attempt to lie and conceal one’s true beliefs than by anything else.
I’ll give a personal example. In 2000, before I had thought much about race, I remember seeing Buchanan running with Ezola Foster, a black woman, as his running mate – clearly an attempt to prove he’s “not a racist”. I remember thinking: who the hell is this guy trying to fool with this lame-ass stunt? Within a couple years, though, I was reading totally unpolished WN sites like FAEM (still a classic, RIP Robert Frenz). The honesty was refreshing. I think the more hardcore WN sites actually serve better for recruitment purposes than the watered-down faileocon stuff for this very reason.
So, I don’t really see your point. I agree that the Holocaust is not the most important thing to focus on, but it is one of the Big Lies that the Jews use to control us, and must be disposed of eventually. And realistically, nobody is going to be chased off by it who probably would not be interested in WN anyway.
Holocaust Revisionism is an esoteric topic for a tiny number of academic buffs, injecting it into contemporary American political discourse is a wast of time at best. Worse, it usually results in wholesale discrediting of any other points the poster wants to make. I saw some revisionist poster over on IMDB going on and on about revisionism over on one of those recent WWII movies. They got absolutely nowhere at all. It is like trying to argue Astrology is real or that area 51 stuff, the public sees it as kookery. You have to be pretty hard core and habituated to the kind of discourse on WN type sites before you will even consider listening to the revisionists(boring) stories. There are far more pressing issues for whites today, advocating an end to free trade, no more affirmative action, getting political correctness and the EEOC out of the workplace so we can run a business like a business again, no more quotas in the school system, strip “birth right” citizenship of all these mexican freeloaders soaking up our tax dollars. These policies are all quite racial, and everyone knows it, without having to bring up taboo topics like Hitler. OD seemed like a pretty rational site in the vein of Jared Taylor or Kevin McDonald, but it seems like it has been flirting with the more crackpot elements recently like suggestions of starting “KKK charities,” praising radio broadcasts from Idaho Compounds hinting at questionable activities, and Youtube shorts full of Goebbles era caricatures of jewish facial features. Not the stuff to appeal in a mass movement.
Revisionism isn’t really that political. Leave it to the historians. I might add that revisionism would be better accepted if the whole “NS” Hollywood scene stayed away from it.
Revisionists are also a mixed bag and don’t agree with eachother. Name me one that is a pure WN?
The common justification of those who place ‘holocaust revisionism’ at the top of the list is that it is the justification for all sorts of PC-multiculti. Yet, they have tons of other ‘justifications’, such as ‘slavery’, ‘Jim Crow’, and ‘colonialism’. I still have yet to figure out what the justification is to impose multiculturalism on Sweden.
I won’t repeat my post to “Holocaust as Religious Mythology”. Let me just add: Matt, you nailed this issue perfectly. “Holocaust denial” is bad history, and bad tactics. Good history: focus on current and past Jew/Zionist destructiveness. Good tactics: Kievsky + guns.
Reader,
Genocide does not necessarily entail a complete plan to “kill them all”, but nice try. At the lowest estimates, hundreds of thousands of Jewish women and children were killed because they were ethnically Jewish. My principal argument in the post is that it’s strategically unwise to bring it up. I did, however, state my belief that the Nazi regime’s policies and practices were genocidal. I’m not “dropping the issue” because it’s a bad issue, though that’s reason enough. My first reason to drop the issue is that I don’t believe the balance of facts are on our side.
I hold a Buchananite position on WWII, that it was ultimately a fratricidal disaster that we would have done well to avoid. I regularly “name the Jew” under my actual name, both online and in person. As such, your anonymously accusing me of lying to conceal my true beliefs is a cop-out. Holocaust Denial is not my true belief, so it works for me.
European,
Bradley Smith, a VNN favorite, has a Mexican wife. Curtis Maynard fathered some kids with his Mexican wife before going postal. To the extent that they’re historians doing controversial historical work, more power to them. It’s when that line between history and advocacy is blurred that things get problematic.
@Matt Parrot Thanks that’s pretty much what I figured I would get from you. I really did not critique your piece. A piece may I add has more holes in it then a flea ridden rabbi’s prayer shaw, I simply pointed out a few FACTS. You did not disagree on any said facts, you simply told me I need help, help with my spelling and my grammer. Really that’s all, that’s throwing in the towel and showing defeat 101 to talk about someones spelling. However I can take criticism with ease. Yes my spelling is not perfect, but then again I never said I was a writter and an intellect. Neither should you.
I guess I already know the answer to this, but I will play along. Why did you write an article like this? The Jews have millions of mouth pieces and almost an endless supply of propeganda being pumped into the average lemmings head about this obvious lie, do they really need another one like you to sell this fairytale? Why are you concerned about it enough to write about it? Are you a shill and a Alex Jones man? Am I getting warm?
JungleBoots92,
I’m actually a giant reptilian from outer space, as are all of us at the Occidental Dissent collective. Except for H. Rock White. He’s a giant, too, but of the Earthly primate variety. And that’s two T’s on the surname. PARROTT. If you spell one thing right, make it my name.
Genocide does not necessarily entail a complete plan to “kill them all”, but nice try.
Please explain your definition of genocide then. The “key points” of revisionists are that 1) there were no gas chambers and 2) there was no attempt by the Nazis to exterminate the Jews they had in their camps. I’m not sure where you disagree with this.
At the lowest estimates, hundreds of thousands of Jewish women and children were killed because they were ethnically Jewish.
No. The number you quote is the estimate revisionists give, but the revisionist argument is that most of the deaths were due to starvation and disease at the end of the war, when all of Germany’s infrastructure had been destroyed and the country was in chaos, and that many ethnic Germans and other non-Jews also died of starvation at this time.
As such, your anonymously accusing me of lying to conceal my true beliefs is a cop-out. Holocaust Denial is not my true belief, so it works for me.
I was – quite unambiguously as I even provided an example – talking about white nationalists in general trying to conceal their true beliefs, and not about you personally. Obviously I am assuming that most WNs reject the exterminationist account of WWII and thus would be concealing their true beliefs by stating otherwise.
Look, I don’t hold it against individual people who want to avoid the topic of the Holocaust (Mel Gibson had a pretty good dodge: “I mean war is horrible. The Second World War killed tens of millions of people. Some of them were Jews in concentration camps. Many people lost their lives.”) But I think it would be dangerous to try to make it totally off-limits to discussion and condemn people who espouse Holocaust revisionism, as you seem to be suggesting that we do.
Matt Parrott is quite correct.
If you want a strong, racially aware White nation once again there must be a positive upside to being one. Obsession with Nazi goons and Jewish Shylocks is hardly the marketing campaign I’d recommend.
Get out of your parents’ basement. Meet a nice, pretty, White girl. Get married and have a lot of children and raise them well.
You will find that an infinitely more convincing argument for everything you say you believe than half the shit I see posted on WN sites.
As my late father was fond of saying, “If it was easy everyone would do it.”
Nothing succeeds like success.
“Djungleboots: wie du wirklich Deutsch bißt, warum schreibst du “Her” und nicht “Herr”? ”
To use a “Germanism” here: Don’t throw stones while sitting in the glas-house, buddy. Correct is: “Wenn Du wirklich ein Deutscher bist, warum schreibst Du…”
Anyway: there are better videos around offering intelligent criticism of the established Holocaust narrative. Go look for the “denierbud”.
But it is true that this thing should not become a fetish or just serve the obsession to white-wash the Third Reich for whatever reasons. Just because the enemy says it is all black, the defenders seem to have the need to merely flip it and say “It is all white”. Some are pretty paradoxical here: “The holocaust never happened, but there should be another one pretty soon”. The ideal would be to leave this subject entirely to the historians, but of course without the limitations imposed on it for obviously political reasons.
What should and can be critisized about the today’s role of the Holocaust narrative is the way it turned into a) a business b) a pseudo-religion and c) a political tool. In order to do that you do not need to go deep into revisionism. You can stick with the accepted facts and still make a valuable point – because this thing is not so much about what happened yesterday but about what they are using it for today. And even by the standards of established historiography falsifications, distortions and downright frauds occur all the time (think of Wilkomirski and Defonseca). Norman Finkelstein did it this way in his famous book “The Holocaust Industry”, and many others as well, Jews and Non-Jews around the world. This sort of criticism is unlike hardcore revisionism capable to reach out into parts of the mainstream.
I re-read Alex Kurtagic’s piece this weekend at OO, and some here may find it relevant.
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/authors/Kurtagic-Learning-From-Right.html
And to add – to RR and our author – I agree that there are few worthwhile Christians, currently. However, there is also no other established, frickin’ huge, and well-financed, institutionalized group of almost exclusively whites, in the US, than our modern churches. Non-Christian WN’s have a hard time rapping their mind around the fact that of the dichotomy given earlier (I believe by a commenter Nietzsche here): You are given a choice – go back 1700 years to Ireland or Ethiopia.
One all white and non-Christian, the other all black and Christian.
Your answer will give you the truth about yourself; what you chose to do with that truth is up to you.
I’d go to Ireland, but to preach the gospel and mobilize my people. Non-Christian WN wouldn’t understand my reasoning, but would accurately assume that today’s pathetic “Judeo-Christian” would go to Ethiopia. My job (and other racially aware white Christians) is to get them to understand their nonbiblical choice, and get them to change it and return to the true “Bread of Life.”
A real white Christian needs to be proselytizing to the lost sheep OF HIS OWN flock. I hope that non-believing WN’s can at least see the massive potential here. If I could deprogram 1/10 (5-10 million people) of the regular church-goers, we win. WE WIN!!!
Rap your head around that!
Mike
Remember this, Semites exaggerate.
There was no mass production murder, or assembly line killing of Jews. Didn’t happen.
Back in the late 1940’s, after WWII, the International Red Cross estimated that 40k to 70k of Jews had died in camps during WWII. That’s a lot of dead Jews, but, not enough to satisfy Semite exaggeration.
There may have been, another 100,000 Jews killed in Eastern Europe & Russia during WWII—either as a result of the war, or revenge killings against the Jewish Communists.
So even using Semite math, 250,000 dead Jews is a possibility during WWII. That would mean the Jews had a below average, or average casuality rate compared to all other ethnic or ethnic/religious groups in Europe.
@Matt Parrott
The founder of VHO is living with an asian women while being “NS” and so on… they really are a weird bunch. Btw, Mexico is 15% white. Those flooding the US are mostly mestizo and so was his wife, but keep in mind that many south of the US are white. Argentina is whiter then the USA.
European,
I don’t really know what you’re getting at with your statement about Argentina. White Latinos exist by the tens of millions, but clearly belong to different nationalities and functionally belong to a different race. For example, Ricky Martin is technically White and technically American, but he’s certainly not a White American. I’ve met several White Latinos, and every one of them suffered from Reverse Clayton Bigsby Syndrome.
HR is fine as long as its info is used only as a stepping stone by our race, not as an end to itself, which makes it yet another wordism dead end for our race.
As I think to myself, “The Holocaust does not give anyone justification for the genocide of my race the white race.”
Let them answer to that.
Matt Parrott,
A Reptile and a Giant? Wow… that’s bad and a little embarrassing. Well you are 2 for 2 on lame rebutals, care to make it 3 for 3? Sure you do, you are a gluten for punishment.
Did Jews die during the War? Of course they did, so did Germans,Italians,Romanians,Poles,Hungarians,Sweedes,Fins,Norweigions,English,Greeks,French,Dutch,Lugans,Russians,Austrians,Americans and many other nationalities. Was there a planned extermination of anyone people? Well yes actually there was. However it was the Germans that were being marked for extermination. Yes, that’s right. In 1940 Theodore Kaufman President of the American Jewish Federation and FDR advisor published a book ‘Germany must Perish.’ It laid out the plans for killing off the German population. I have a copy of it sitting right her in front of me. I can write many of the passages down if you would like me to. However I feel people need to read this for themself and see what the ‘Hate Crazed Jew’ had in store for my ancestors.
Again you act like that is all Aryans talk about the holohoax. I can assure you we do not. I showed other facts hidden from history and didn’t even go into the hoax. No one is ever going to win on a platform or win over the public saying Jews didn’t die during the war years. That’s silly. But it is part of this giant puzzle in trying to understand how we got into the dire situation we are into today. One must know the past to understand the present or the future.
That is all I have to say on this article. Thank you for reading it and replying back. GOTT MITUNS
Read the book here:
http://www.ihr.org/books/kaufman/perish.shtml
>As I think to myself, “The Holocaust does not give anyone justification for >the genocide of my race the white race.”
Important point. We are justified to pursue our self-interest, no matter whose Holocaust story is the right one. In fact there is no relation between one or the other, except if drawn by some ideologists. If tomorrow somebody proves that there were not six but twelve million killed in the camps, all I can say is, so what? I havent even been born back then, nor were even my parents, and I dont see why I am supposed to give myself up or feel guilty for a thing that happened more than half a century ago. Let the dead bury the dead…
GOTT MITUNS
Its GOTT MIT UNS actually.
“Serious” historians would not be considered serious if they denied holocaust. They are either intimidated, brainwashed or corrupt.
Yes, it does seems difficult to persuade others into whatever you don’t believe yourself.
People should be advised to trust their own reason, logic and common sense instead empirical data that is dependable upon whoever controls the input. First teach yourself to think independently from whatever you see inside “Plato’s cave” and than teach the audience to rely upon their own reasoning instead empirical “evidence” that Jewish con artists have stored for them.
I think the BNP and the EDL should be examples of where trying to be more politically correct and appeal to the mainstream will get you- at most of their rallies you will see people waving Israeli flags. The tea parties also had their message watered down to appeal to the masses, and now instead of being about ending the fed, ending the wars, and repealing the patriot act, it is almost entirely about taxes and the mainstream GOP. Are either of these movements better off now that they have a more palatable message?
Here is the best pc non confrontational response to the holocaust that I have heard.
@JB92, “… If you spell one thing right, make it my name.”
Yeah dude, at least spell something right.
I don’t think people who muttter about who Bradley Smith, and Fred Reed and even Curt Maynard marry are healthy enough to pay attention to.
Anyone who explores their family tree will find a few bastards. Guaranteed! LOL.
Hopefully, the bastards will be White. 🙂
This is a fascinating thread. I disagree on two points. Without revealing by beliefs on the subject, the holocaust revisionist position is not that “hundreds of thousands of women and children were murdered by the Nazis”. Conditions in the camps were very harsh. Disease was rampant. Imagine what might have happened to the Japanese interned in the US had we been fighting a total war on two fronts. A handful of Japanese interns were intentionally killed by guards under the best of conditions, keep in mind.
I disagree that Matt Hale should be a free man. A jury found him guitly of suborning the murder of a judge. How can you take such contradictory positions?
I completely agree, however, that Holocaust revisionism should not be a standard-bearer issue. In the current political environment, the subject makes one look like a kook. The matter is extremely esoteric, and as I have found from discussing it with others, most people have a woefully superficial understanding of history. Alex Kurtagic had some very powerful thoughts on the subject in his recent article, and summed up the gist of the matter thusly:
“I have no doubt that the standard Holocaust narrative will be revised in future, but this will be a symptom, rather than a cause, of power shifting away from the present ruling order. The history studied in schools and universities is written by victorious rulers, not by vanquished dissidents.”
In 200 years, when we’re all ruled by the Chinese, I suppose!
Robert Reis,
It’s critical in determining whether they’re White Advocates or historians, which is at the crux of this debate. Marrying and reproducing with a non-White is the ultimate act of indifference to our fate as a people. I don’t begrudge Whites who “go cosmic”, but it becomes relevant when people assert that these people and their work deserve a prominent status in our racialist movement.
I don’t care about the Holocaust. I am reading a book about Jamestown though.
I am an unabashed Esoteric Hitlerist, and an historian whose focus is on modern German history (Kaiserreich – 1945), and I find Holocaust Revisionism rather boring myself. I studied the subject because I really wanted to find the truth of the matter, but it’s not exciting reading.
Savitri Devi firmly believed in the veracity of “the Shoah” until Ernst Zündel visited her in New Delhi in 1978 and brought with him a collection of books and documents he had marshaled to debunk the Big Lie, most notably The Hoax of the Twentieth Century: The Case Against the Presumed Extermination of European Jewry by Dr. Arthur Butz.
Savitri was mildly disappointed that the Jews did not get what they deserved, and this bolstered her hypothesis that Hitler was “too much Sun and not enough Lightning,” but she continued to praise the efforts of the Einsatzgruppen on the Ostfront, hailing them as Karma Yogis.
I liked the video Jack Ryan posted, and I think there is much truth in what Jost Turner had to say on the subject of Holocaust Revisionism and Christianity, but I agree with Matt that Revisionism is a subject of very little interest to contemporary Americans.
By the way, the video that sparked this whole debate was not so much about “Holocaust Revisionism” as it was about “Holocaustianity.” The Holocaust has taken on religious overtones in the West and heavily draws upon Christian themes like sin and atonement.
Holocaust Revisionism and Holocaustianity are two different subjects.
The entire paradigm of Modern America is intimately tied up with WWII. Whether it be the “greatest generation,” Pearl Harbor, blah blah blah blah blah, Holocaust, blah blah blah. But it our most defining moment to date not only because of the media. It is also the point at which we made the most recent wrong turn that got us into this globo-swine cultural cul-de-sac. The “last just war” blah blah blah non-stop nonsense. We are America – we kill off our own people for Jews and world Bolshevism. That is who we are.
At some level, there are two types of people in this country. Those that subscribe to the Holocaust myth and the “rightness” of WWII, and those that don’t. And from that point onward, you can pretty much guess where they are going to fall right on down the line. And I don’t care if you call black people “niggers” or Mexicans “spics” but, By GOD, you don’t talk about those good boys who went over and fought them Germans so we wouldn’t all be speaking German today.
Well, screw that. Screw it right to their damn faces. It makes me sick to my stomach. And the only mythology any renewed nationalist cause is going to operate on with any meaningful effect is going to be one that admits to WWII being wrong on every level. And I will say that until the day I die. That is TRUTH. And every obstacle that gets in the way of people realizing that I will shout down from the rooftops. And the main obstacle is that steaming pile of crap called the Holocaust and the fact that word has absolutely no place whatsoever in the Western mind. None. Jews can suckle up to it all they want, roll around in it, revel in it, rejoice in it, stick it on a piece of paper and shove it up their ass. I repeat. It does not belong in the Western mind. Period. It is the most toxic, crippling meme ever created by man. I can only assume it is as toxic as Christ is to the Jewish mind.
So Matt, I think it’s a great idea that you guide Holocaust conversation towards ethnonationalism. That is a brilliant tactic that I can’t wait to use. It’s ingenious. But I also think that historical “revisionism,” which refines and shores up the borders in our mind is as important to a western homeland as physical borders. Historical “revisionists” are doing God’s work. They are the vanguard. They should be supported and lifted up on every front. They are writing our history. A history that MUST free the Western mind from Jewish bias on every front.
Hunter,
The only way to truly eradicate “Holocaustianity” is by undermining its moral legitimacy. The only way to undermine its moral legitimacy is to prove it false.
That is the conclusion to which Jost Turner came, and it was Turner’s essay that was being presented by Jack Ryan in the video in question.
I do think it is wrong of Matt to say that because some Jews were murdered in the European theatre “for being Jewish” (probably incorrect) during the war, this equates to genocide.
That is equivalent to saying that because some blacks were lynched in the American South “for being black,” that there was a campaign of genocide against Blacks perpetrated by White Southerners. It’s absurd.
There was no systematic program of extermination enacted by the German government against the Jewish people. Hitler never signed such an order, and no such order was carried out. Kristallnacht was a spontaneous uprising of folk anger directed at the culture-distorters, and it was a minor event. They deserved far worse.
Enemies of the German nation (including Jews) were sent to KZs, and the Einsatzgruppen did root out and destroy many of the Communist partisans on the Eastern Front, most of whom were Jewish. That is the extent of “the holocaust” Most of the really vicious, low-level attacks on Jews were perpetrated by local Slavic populations as the German advance liberated them from the yoke of Jewry.
NS Germany never pursued a policy of genocide against the Jews, much to our misfortune as a people. They allowed Nathaniel Rothschild to escape Austria after brief imprisonment (and a bribe!) while they rounded up penniless rats in Krakow and shipped them off to the KZ.
Let us learn from the mistakes of our German comrades and heed the immortal words of Ezra Pound: “KILL THE BIG JEW!”