I came up with an original concept that I termed “Mind-War,” and “mind weaponization” and wrote a few articles about it last winter.
Since then the concept has served me well, and I am gradually finding ways to describe it.
The first concept of Mind-Weaponization is its energy source. Every weapon needs a fuel or a propellant of some sort. This propellant is what the enemy has defined as “hate.” It can be more accurately be described as “a strong negative reaction to social conditions.”
Hate is actually universal; it just depends if its turned outward or inward, or spun in circles, in which case it’s turned into fuel, just like uranium in a centrifuge.
Hate turned inward is overeating, heavy drinking, drugs. Anything to numb the pain of the burning hate.
Hate turned outward is what the enemy is projecting in using the term to describe us — attacking others. Of course in multicultural America there’s plenty of hate turned outward against Whites.
Hate spun in a centrifuge is “jihad energy.” You can make a “hate centrifuge” in your stomach by practicing Falun Gong, which means “wheel work.” Specifically, the wheel in your abdomen. Here’s the link to the free .wmv file, get the 65 MB All 5 in Succession video:
http://www.falundafa.org/bul/audio-video/audiovideo.html
The big secret of this practice is to do isometrics at the extremes of the movements, that is, push as hard as you can, and try to pull your chest as far apart as you can. This will make you physically strong in ways that weight lifting cannot as well. And there’s a lot of movements that go from a slight squat, to getting up on your toes. You play with gravity a lot, which is of course how you make the centrifuge.
A lot of people I have known in the movement have said that they have to turn away from it periodically, because it’s emotionally draining. The choice is to drown the hate in liquor, or do a James Von Brunn.
The third choice, the only sustainable choice, is to weaponize the hate into a highly enriched fuel, and use that fuel to learn foreign languages, math, and science and do a one-man business operation. When enough of us accomplish these things, we can form a Diaspora and begin to work as an ethnic bloc that is separate from the official “white” anti-white System.
The non-white and/or leftist intellectuals claim that the governments and the “system” overall is “white.” This is their reasoning as to why Whites are not supposed to have our own ethnic organizations — the System supposedly is “our” organization. Nonsense, of course. White nationalists were massively opposed to the Iraq and Afghanistan adventures, to name just one sharp distinction.
Niall Ferguson’s two volume “The House of Rothschild” can be read as a manual for creating a Diaspora. Rothschild children were raised to be multilingual since the first generation of the “house” in the early 1800’s. Tribalism, patriarchalism (only the sons inherited control over the house, though daughters inherited a lot of money), secrecy, and ethnic networking were all weapons of this “house.”
When comparing peoples or nations, those with a Culture of Learning are always coming out on top. Modern white Americans have a very strong streak of anti-intellectualism, and as a direct result, a large percentage are fat, broke and helpless . . . and going to race-mixing.
Our number 1 priority is to re-establish a Culture of Learning, and root out anti-intellectualism. The intellect is the source of RAW POWER. The Rothschilds knew it, the Chinese know it. The television disarmed us of this source of raw power.
Re-establishing the Culture of Learning (starting with oneself), and turning “hate” into fuel, are the first steps towards re-arming for the Mind-War.
Kievsky,
I always love reading your posts, your thoughts are right up my alley. A close friend and I have been studying the occult for a few years now, seeing how the elites use occult powers against us (Bohemian grove, Monumental Geopuncture, Human Sacrifice, etc), and working on how to use the knowledge to further the WN agenda. So seeing you mention NLP, covert hypnosis, mind weaponization, and subtle energy body exercises in your posts is incredibly encouraging.
Thank you Kievsky,
your insights on microeconomics and learning real-life skills were of significant influence on me. Since March in my free time I have learned quite a lot of metalworking skills, operation of different metal machines – lathe, drilling-milling etc (there is an excellent workshop in our department), at apprentice level of course, which is a wonderful supplement to intellectual work in Biophysics and learning Finnish. Indeed, now I’m going to buy a mini-mill etc. for my personal use – you know you can do all kinds of small things for hobbies and repairs.
Thank you.
Growing up “somewhere in Scandinavia” I had Finnish friends (who had emigrated within the region). They tried to teach me some, I can still say a few sentences, mostly cussing. Anyone who will try to master a language where there are 15 different ways to conjugate a verb, deserves kudos, RF. :o) Go Suomi!
And yes, making useful things with your hands for the future need is helped by properly directed hatred. Hope to teach it to all my children.
You’re on the right track. I see hate and love as the same basic energy, when we use it to create it is love, when we use it to destroy it is hate.
Speaking analogically, the voltage that a battery generates is derived from a difference in electric potential. There is no voltage without a potential difference between the cathode and anode. To generate emotional energy, you need to create a large potential difference between your psycho-emotional poles (“love” and “hate”). True, you can simply magnify the hatred, or you can magnify the love. It seems to me that you could maximize your power generation (for mental warfare) by pushing both emotions to their extreme limits. The point is, don’t fall into the trap of promoting increased hatred alone, for such an approach is only half correct (and plays into the discourse of our enemies – who relish portraying us as a bunch of scary or impotent “haters”).
The battery analogy works. The only reason to increase hate is that love has also increased. If you don’t love something, you don’t care enough to hate what threatens it. So: when you hate something more, it’s because you love something more, as well.
Excellent analysis, Nordicreb!
I would also speculate that the more ethnocentric are also generally more altrustic.
Correct, I meant the second sentence as:
I would also speculate that the more ethnocentric are also generally more altruistic.
Brilliant minithread. You can read 19th century textbooks on electricity and magnestism online. These are part of our heritage. James Jeans is a good one. 1908 version:
http://books.google.com/books?id=jKYTAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=James%20Jeans%20mathematical%20theory&source=gbs_slider_thumb#v=onepage&q&f=false
…If you don’t love something, you don’t care enough to hate what threatens it. So: when you hate something more, it’s because you love something more, as well. – Nordicreb
Beautifully said, Nordicreb!
It is because we LOVE Europa and its historical people that we HATE the vicious and terrible injustices being perpetrated against its indigenous Volk.
To everything there is a season…a time to love and a time to hate… Ecclesiastes. Doesn’t bother me that it comes from the bible. Not at all.
Mindfulness meditation, folk music, sudoku, chess, hard foreign languages —any of those can give you immunity against the prevailing tide of muck.
For mind strengthening – I would recommend learning either German, Turkish, Arabic, Russian or Latin.
And don’t watch the TV with sound turned on – it’s a great way to see what the masses are being fed without sucking it all in.
All,
I have been reading up on an ancient European religion called Asatru and thought it might be of interest to the WN community. I figured this would be an appropriate topic to include with Kievsky’s post for discussion.
As a Catholic, I am growing more and more delusional with the actions of the Church. My biggest problem is with Catholic Charities that are using money from parishioners to import third world savages, under the guise of “helping refugees,” into America and Bishops pushing amenity for criminals (AKA illegal immigrants). Asatru goes back to the roots of our ancestors and may serve as a more relevant religion to WNs.
From the website:
What is Asatru?
“Long before Christianity came to northern Europe, the people there – our ancestors – had their own religions. One of these was Asatru. It was practiced in the lands that are today Scandinavia, England, Germany, France, the Netherlands, and other countries as well. Asatru is the original or native religious belief for the peoples who lived in these regions.”
Why is the Religion of our Ancestors the Best One for Us?
“Because we are more like our ancestors than we are like anyone else. We inherited not only their general physical appearance, but also their predominant mental, emotional, and spiritual traits. We think and feel more like they did; our basic needs are most like theirs. the religion which best expressed their innermost nature – Asatru – is better suited to us than is some other creed which started in the Middle East among people who are essentially different from us. Judaism, Islam, and Christianity are alien religions which do not truly speak to our souls.”
Source: Asatru Alliance Website: http://www.asatru.org/index.php
-Justin
Thank you for the kind words, folks. RF I am very glad that you are using my ideas. If you are in the Northeast, I’d like to see your machine shop. That is something I don’t have space for, but I would like to be involved in it. What we really need are indestructible hand tools, such as a sifter-screen, a fine fork and a rough fork whose tines don’t bend as easily as the storebought ones, and some other stuff.
I think Qigong exercises can be incorporated into a new religion for Whites. Christianity was anti-body as a rebellion against the pagan Romans and Greeks. I think physical health should be part of a religious practice, as it gives you energy to accomplish more, and opens the channels of creative thinking.
Our new religion should be a religion of conquest, that never says “sorry.” This is really a religious war. We are being oppressed by a religions (Jews and their loony xtian facilitators) and Muslims will mess us up too if they get the power.
Fanaticism is not a bad word. Jihad is even better. So what if its a Muslim word. I like it. It sounds like a battle cry. And of course, “shahid.”
Moderates get shat upon. Fanatics get concessions.
“I am growing more and more delusional” Perhaps you mean disenchanted. If so, you could try New Mexico- Land of Enchantment (It sez so right on the license plate).
>>My biggest problem with Catholic Charities is that they receive billions from taxpayers-
“Catholic Charities first announced its politicization in a wild-eyed manifesto that invokes such radical sixties icons as Malcolm X, Gloria Steinem, Herbert Marcuse, and—above all—the Marxist-inspired Liberation Theology movement that (to put it crudely) equates Jesus with Che Guevara. Ratified at Catholic Charities’ annual meeting in 1972, the so-called Cadre Study totally abandoned any stress on personal responsibility in relation to poverty and other social ills. Instead, it painted America as an unjust, “numb” country, whose oppressive society and closed economy cause people to turn to crime or drugs or prostitution. Moreover, the study asserts, individual acts of charity are useless. We must instead unearth “the root causes of poverty and oppression” and radically reconstruct—”humanize and transform”—the social order to avert social upheaval.
This radical shift in thinking had two practical consequences. First, Catholic Charities moved away from “just” charity toward a stress on government solutions to every social problem, making political advocacy a key mission. “We undertook to get more involved in making a contribution to the formation of public policy,” says former Catholic Charities president Monsignor Lawrence Corcoran, one of the authors of the Cadre Study. Second, Catholic Charities began to organize local communities to resist “unjust” social structures. As Corcoran delicately puts it, “We also increased our activities in the field of social action, over and above the traditional role of charity.”
At the same time, as the War on Poverty got under way, the federal government increasingly contracted with Catholic Charities agencies to provide welfare services. Those agencies, imbued with their new faith in government’s potential to solve social problems, eagerly accepted government money. Catholic Charities received nearly a quarter of its funding from government by the end of the sixties, over half by the late seventies, and more than 60 percent by the mid-eighties, where it has remained ever since. As they became government contractors, the agencies began to serve more non-Catholics and to hire non-Catholics too, usually professional social workers with ardent faith in the welfare state.”
http://www.city-journal.org/html/10_1_how_catholic_charities.html
Kiev Political Correctness (the denial of physical reality) is a religion as well.
Our new religion should be a religion of conquest, that never says “sorry.” This is really a religious war.
Two Jewish adages (in the context of being among one’s enemies) come to mind:
1) Never apologize. Never explain.
2) When we’re weak, why would we compromise? When we’re strong, why should we compromise?
I heard both of these in the context of the post 9/11, pro Iraq War media environment. That’s one good thing about that whole time period – a lot of pro-War Jewish intellectuals (neocons, liberal hawks, etc.) opened up their secret book. Of course, those same policies apply to us White goyim who seek to overturn anarcho-tyranny, the patronage scam, and forge a White social, cultural, and political identity.
In quote #2, emphasis is on would and should.
Again, back to quote #2, it of course boils down to “Never compromise.” Notice the prevalence of the word “never”. This is the hallmark of a serious religion, such as Islam with its halal/haram dichotomy or Judaism with its kosher/treyf dichotomy. Whites have become deculturalized and are on the way to becoming deracinated precisely because “our” system of allowing/forbidding, the nation’s legal system, is not in “our” hands any more.
I used to think that the original proverb was “Never complain, never explain,” because I had seen that version attributed to Henry Ford.
However, I have just seen a version attributed to Disraeli: “Never complain and never explain.”
However, if I were going to point to an ethnic group that *never* complains, I don’t think I could find one. Certainly Woody Allen is not a stern, stone-faced stoic. Perhaps some ethnicities complain more than others.
They’re not famous quotes, but were offered as adages by Jewish commentators in the MSM during the first term of the Weorge B. Gush administration. I believe the first one was from the Salem Radio Network, and I recall for a fact that the second one was an Israeli talking on NPR about the Palestinian question. I wish I could find direct attributions, but it’s almost impossible.
TabuLa,
thank you for the correction! Yes, disenchanted and also disenfranchised as well. I get delusional from watching the MSM read their talking points targeting honest White Americans -almost hypnotic the way they hit the same themes and messages over and over again. I am getting close to getting rid of the TV -for my kids sake. I appreciate the background information on the Catholic Charities and the link.
-Justin
Kievsky, as far as Qigong being incorporated into a new religion, in this video on Platonism and Alchemy,
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8109822533221897197#
he makes the case for Platonism being originally something of a religious tradition, one of the oldest, most profound ones of the West. Briefly, the points are: most of the best parts of Christian theology comes from Platonism, though this was covered up by the Church; “Alchemy” was a way of talking in code to avoid persecution by the Church; it involved not only reading of Platonic texts, but intense meditation and physical training; many Alchemic texts mention the solar plexus region (dan tian in Qigong); this is a unique religious tradition deeper than anything the East has. Anyway, its a long video, but I think worth it for anyone thinking of trying to revive an indigenous Western religion.
Also, as the Catholic Church has come up, I think we need a pro-White version of the Jesuits. Even if you don’t like Catholicism, Ignatius Loyala was all about this mind weapon stuff. He went from a brooding lone, destitute, wounded soldier, to a small coterie of super intelligent devout Catholics, to an organization speaking directly to the Pope, advising Princes, founding running and Universities, running colonies in Latin America, and being some of the only Westerners of the time to go to China and Japan.
Some of this guy’s videos are informative, but in one, he claims Plotinus, the founder of neoplatonism, was a black African, and he cites Bernal as a source for this. I don’t think there is any basis in reality for this claim.
Further, neoplatonism seems to have been the foundational metaphysical current for alchemy and movements like Rosicrucianism which later influenced freemasonry. I’ve always wondered why it is more WN haven’t made the effort to join and infiltrate freemasonry. Aside from all the conspiracy theories associated with it, it would be a simple and cheap organization to join and assume control of, as opposed to banking or the media. Why not infiltrate and see what all the hype is about? Though Evola was against masonry and felt it had been seriously degraded, Rene Guenon, the founder of the Traditionalist movement, felt masonry was the west’s sole extant initiatory tradition left, and that it could be salvaged.
For some people, EVERYBODY was a Black African, even though there are death masks of Hannibal, Cleopatra etc, that clearly show that they are not. ‘Ole Cleo was a Macedonian, for crying out loud.
“Our number 1 priority is to re-establish a Culture of Learning, and root out anti-intellectualism. The intellect is the source of RAW POWER. The Rothschilds knew it, the Chinese know it. The television disarmed us of this source of raw power.”
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Kievsky,
I find it very ironic that the east-Asians are extremely interested in the rise Western Culture yet a large segment of whites reject it; instead they’re more enthralled with Black degeneracy. Hence, we are witnessing the ascendancy of the Pacific rim countries, and the precipitous decline of the West. I agree the perverted anti-white content of TV played a major role in whites’ slouching toward niggerdom.
Kievsky,
Max Weber once said:
“Yet frequently the world images which have been created by ideas have, like switchmen, have determined the tracks along which actions have been pushed by dynamics of interest”
There is a parallel way in which an individual’s ideas, or complexes, act, like switchmen, and determine the tracts along which feeling are directed and expressed. The re-defining of European vital energy as ‘hate,’ and European self-idenity as ‘racism’ is just a means of manipulating the emotions of a European person and steering them in the desired way. You might think of this as the Taoist version of brain washing.
Anyways, your Culture of Learning will need to find a way overcome, invert, or otherwise neutralize this brainwashing. You and I and all here can embrace ‘hate’ and ‘racism,’ and make it our own — But if you want to have more than a social club of intellectual free thinkers and rogue defenders of ancestral Truth, you have to find a way to break these switches — and get people to feel morally outrages, that is, OUTRAGED!, about the manipulation.
“For mind strengthening – I would recommend learning either German, Turkish, Arabic, Russian or Latin.”
Hic, Haec, Hoc I remember that from 1960
My philosophy is Illegitimi non carborundum.
Fuck you, Mrs. Regenfuss. (She sent me to the boys vice-principal because I carved I HATE LATIN into the desk)
Learning Latin may have been a pain in the ass, but for restoring a White civilization, the resurrection of classical learning is indispensible. I say this not as a braggart, but as one who knows only scraps of foreign languages and regrets his educational shortcomings. Who were most of us here before Rome? We were blue-painted savages, howling defiance and usually being defeated. We were to the Romans what the Sioux were to us. We finally defeated Rome only by becoming Romanized ourselves. When the Western Empire dissolved, Classical learning was preserved by the Catholic Church and the Byzantines. All the great and learned men of Europe were infused with it. Our art and literature are foreign to us without an understanding of Rome, Athens, and Jerusalem. We need not believe in the Bible any more than we believe in the Olympian gods, but we need to know about all these things.
We Whites are fortunate, because this knowledge lies on the ground, cast aside by our elites, available to anyone who chooses to pick it up. We don’t have to make something up like the Darks do, we don’t have to pretend that we once were the rulers of all that mattered, that we are the heirs to the most creative, powerful, and generous societies that ever existed, because it’s simply true.
This is not to say that we all have to drop our claw hammers and test tubes and crack open a copy of Homer. Not everyone has a knack for or any interest in languages, any more that everyone likes machining or trigonometry. After all, how many Greeks had memorized the Illiad? But they all knew the gist of the story, they all knew that it was part of who they were and who they were not. They knew the lessons that their stories taught. Today, our privileged young are taught that their destiny should be to destroy Western civilization. Decent young White kids actually aspire to “fight racism”, because the people they look up to said they should. We will always have a ruling class, so let it be taught well, and let that teaching be offered to anyone who wants it. We can’t all learn Greek, but every young White should know about Leonidas and his 300 Spartans, just as they should know about George Washington and the Wright brothers.
And, don’t forget Charles Martel and John Sobieski!
A lot of what you’re saying is Medicist bullshit.
The Romans couldn’t defeat the Germans because we were better warriors.
That’s not polite, Bernard.
I’ve got nothing against Meds. But I am skeptical of overly ecumenical approaches that would shackle down Nordicism. Whether it’s from Jews engaging in sophistry going on and on about “The West” and “Western Civilization” or from Meds trying to make us servile to “Classical” folkways.
I am neither Mediterranean nor Jew, and speak for neither. Does the fact that a Jew says something about the West make the West a Jewish notion? Does the fact that a Mediterranean promotes classical culture mean that Nordics should shun it? What if an Italian spoke in favor of soap? Should Nordics then go dirty? Will you forgo any sort of radio communication because Marconi invented it?
If you want a pure Nordic culture, free of any classical influence, give up math, science, and engineering, for a start. Give up the music of Bach and Beethoven, since the Western scale is not a Nordic invention. Give up paper and pen, and mass literacy. Give up any literature since Beowulf. And give up just about every three syllable English word you know.
What have you to offer as a substitute for classical and Western civilization? Nothing. The alternative is not aboriginal Teutonic culture, but Moslem or African. Are the blond Nordic girls embracing Asatru or Black men?
Western civilization is a Jewish construct.
I am neither Mediterranean nor Jew
Then you are one of their extended phenotypes.
Are the blond Nordic girls embracing Asatru or Black men?
Here is a post on people who try to rub our noses in the supposed rampant miscegenation of Northern European women.
http://racehist.blogspot.com/2010/02/reply-to-inconsequential-post-by-guy.html
MGLS: “Western Civilization is a Jewish construct”. I find that to be a remarkable statement to be posted on a site called “Occidental Dissent”. “Occidental”, not “Nordic Dissent”. You are aware, I suppose, that “occidental” is the Greek word for “west”?
Is this a philo-Semitic site? The claim that “Western Civilization is a Jewish construct” reminds me of the Afro-centrics claim that Greek civilization was created by Blacks. Perhaps Beethoven wasn’t really Black, he was a Jew!
I was not aware that my ancestors, all of them northern Europeans of Teutonic or Celtic origins, were extended phenotypes of Jews and Mediterraneans. Next thing, someone will say that I must have a Negro in my woodpile.
How many blond women mate with Blacks, and how many take up ancient Nordic religion? Has anyone some figures on that? I have no wish to rub anyone’s nose in miscegenation, it disgusts me. It would be better if these women had died. The point is, our enemies strive to denigrate and eventually destroy Western Civilization, and replace it with Black/Mestiso mindlessness. You would replace Western Civilization with…what? Tree worship and solstice celebrations? That will surely keep the Orientals from controlling the power grid.
The term “Western civilization” was not invented until a century ago. There is no “Western civilization.” Intra-European conflict is a constant of European history. America is the product of the American ethny, not “Western civilization.”
I was not aware that my ancestors, all of them northern Europeans of Teutonic or Celtic origins, were extended phenotypes of Jews and Mediterraneans. Next thing, someone will say that I must have a Negro in my woodpile.
I did not say your ancestors were extended phenotypes of Jews and Mediterraneans. I said you are an extended phenotype of Jews and Mediterraneans.
Bernard: Compared to the Romans or the Greeks, the Nords were savages. It is entirely reasonable to compare them to American Indians, both were illiterate, tribal, warrior peoples. I in no way malign their honor, courage, or fighting prowess. And yes, without the influence of the Mediterranean, they would amount to little. Had they somehow been left isolated in their forests and marshes for the last 2000 years, there’d be no Beethoven, no Mercedes Benz, no Leibnitz, no Durer.
I am aware of the costs of the Roman Empire. About the Pax Romana, it was said that the Romans made a desert and called it peace. The Romans brought mass slavery to places where it had been uncommon. The Romans were arrogant and considered it their right to rule all other peoples. Their bloody spectacles that they put on for entertainment were absolutely contemptible. But those are not the things that we Westerners should admire about them, and no one here has said we ought to.
Who has written here that Nords should give up their identity?
Damn. Sent this last post to the wrong thread.
I don’t doubt that “Western Civilization” is a relatively recent coinage. That has no bearing on its reality. The people living in the Classical Age, the Dark ages, the Middle Ages, or the Renaissance had no idea what future generations would call them.
“Intra-European conflict is a constant of European history”. Leaving aside the matter of how there can be “European history”, but no Western Civilization, does the fact that Moslems fight one another constantly mean that there is no Moslem World?
How can I be an extended phenotype of Jews and Mediterraneans, if my parents were not? Was I adopted from a Jewish orphanage?
The Romans couldn’t defeat the Germans because we were better warriors.
Perhaps, but the Romans DID DEFEAT the native British before the Germans arrived — making them a colony of the Roman Empire for several hundred years. In fact, London itself was named by the Romans (Londinium).
Bottom line – the British are not Germans.
Bottom line – Meds today aren’t “Romans”
The Romans did, in fact, defeat many Germanic hordes very soundly. Does anyone contend that when the Romans quite literally annihilated the Cimbri and Teutones in their many tens of thousands that they were not “defeating Germans”? Any time up to then and long after, when the Germans met the Romans on the field of battle, the Germans went down like new grass under a mower. The Germans AMBUSHED the Romans in Teutoburger forests and wiped out a few legions. A real bit of gallantry, that. If I sneak up behind a cage fighter and put the business end of a hatchet through his brain pan, that doesn’t make me a better fighter; it does, however, show me to be a coward even if I am justified in killing him. The Germans acted in self-defense, which I do not blame, but it does not change the fact that it was an ambush. The reason the Romans never annexed Germany is quite simple: it was a vast foggy swamp filled with barbarians living in tents and wooden huts. There was no wealth to take and it was unsuited to Roman forms of husbandry. There was nothing to be gained by wasting soldiers and wealth in its taking. The Romans had spent the previous centuries annexing all the other lands they could reach, and had already taken the ones worth taking. Out of habit more than anything else, they just figured that they would do the same with Germany before realizing that there was nothing to gain and much to lose. Wealth and ease had already started Rome on her decline, so after that they began shoring up their ‘limes’. (No, it’s not a fruit.)
“The Romans couldn’t defeat the Germans because WE were better warriors.”
Oh, didn’t realize at first that you were there. You must be getting pretty long in the tooth.
As for the study of Latin, I read that of all American students of foreign languages, the only students with a higher average SAT score than Latin students are . . . students of HEBREW!
In case anyone is wondering, by blood I am as Germanic as they come.
The Germans acted in self-defense, which I do not blame
The most sensible thing you said in that entire comment.
Reality check, when a mob is coming to kill you and rape your wife, you don’t worry about “fairness,” as if they are. If you have a gun and they don’t, all the better.
As for the study of Latin, I read that of all American students of foreign languages, the only students with a higher average SAT score than Latin students are . . . students of HEBREW!
Interesting point, I suppose we should all study Hebrew as well then.
In case anyone is wondering, by blood I am as Germanic as they come.
Then start acting like it, you need to Ger-man up. We have enough of our own people working against us already.
Ambushes/ambushing is a very successful tactic, especially when one is outmanned and outgunned.
Study the history the “Wild West”. Gun-fighters, shootists, and lawmen (and any given person was liable to change sides, at a particular stage in life) generally engaged in ambushing one’s prey. The “honorable” set up of High Noon, on the Main Dirt Path, face to face, is a largely a Hollywood invention. This scenario did occur, once in a Blue Moon – but ambushes were the order of the day. That’s why the era has been termed the “Wild” West.
Honor, during wartime, with the Spawn of Satan, is a surefire way to lose! Use every tool ya got!
Who were most of us here before Rome? We were blue-painted savages, howling defiance and usually being defeated.
No. We are very fortunate that the Germanic tribes defeated the Romans in the battle of the Teutoburg Forest.
As for Northern Europeans supposedly being “savages,” see here.
http://www.white-history.com/refuting_rm/9.html#appendix
MGLS,
Why do you keep citing that philo-semitic creep Arthur Kemp — especially if you are so concerned about ‘Jewish constructs’.
Talk about being an ‘extended phenotype’ of a Jew!
Why do you and other anti-Nordicists argue like anti-White leftists and Jews?
Why do you and other anti-Nordicists argue like anti-White leftists and Jews?
Funny, I was going to say the same thing about you (when you all are not arguing like Afrocentrists ;}).
MGLS: Illiterates who live, not by laws, but by the word of tribal leaders are savages. They are not necessarily bad people, but they are not civilized. That makes the ancient Germanic peoples savages.
I checked your link. Interesting. In particular, the migration of gifted Germanics to the south, where they blossomed, reminds me of the Scots. In their cold, wet, barbarous country, beset with clan wars and border reivers, their talents went unused. When they moved to England, they finally found room to grow and recognition of their worth. Germany too, was a relatively primitive land, until Frederick the Great followed the example of the French and the Flemish and began to drain swamps and build canals. I was unfamiliar with the Northern descent of some of the renaissance Italians, but it makes sense. Just as gifted young Whites leave Bakersfield to go to MIT, gifted young Germans moved to Paris or Rome or Florence. What would a Galileo do in a backwater like 16th century Germany?
MGLS: Illiterates who live, not by laws, but by the word of tribal leaders are savages. They are not necessarily bad people, but they are not civilized. That makes the ancient Germanic peoples savages.
The ancient Germanic peoples were not “savages” without laws.
Here is Tacitus on the government, laws, customs, habits, and other aspects of Germania.
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/tacitus1.html
MGLS: What Tacticus is describing are customs, not laws. Perhaps admirable customs, but still not laws. Even Bantus have customs. The Kings or elders or warriors discuss what ought to be done. Sometimes all the men of the tribe get their say. Sounds pretty much like the Sioux to me.
For tribal societies, customs are enough, but for a nation, you need laws. Fixed rules that are made known to all and are changed only by an agreed upon method, not by the whim of a council of elders or a simple majority vote. That difference is the source of a lot of the legal dispute in this country, the Leftist insistence that the Constitution is a “living document”, and therefore subject to revision by the courts.
Re: “Our new religion should be a religion of conquest, that never says “sorry.” This is really a religious war.”
Kievsky wrote a good piece on emergence the other day. It might be worthwhile to see your project in that light. See it as a love affair. No need to put a down payment on the house or decide what to name the kids, just yet. In fact, it’s worthwhile to recognize that too much forethinking can spoil the relation. Best focus on doing things and getting others involved. To the extent you feel it’s necessary, drop a few hints to help steer things along. It’s only worth making such decisions at a certain point.
I think “disillusioned” is the word Justin is looking for.
In addition to Neo-Platonism, Christianity was also influenced by Zoroastrianism and even possibly Buddhism(through Mandeanism). There were all kind of religions around at the time of Christ that all borrowed from each other, those practiced today are just the ones that survived and then repressed the knowledge of their sources and rivals. The Old Testament is full of material that is not exclusive to Judaism.
Anti-Intellectualism is a very strong force among “right-wing” Americans and it infects white nationalism heavily. White nationalism, outside of places like this, is full of uneducated fools who think that “books is fur fags n’ jooz.”
I’m constantly battling with these cretins on Stormfront. Recent highlights include some clown who said that an interview with Kevin MacDonald from Youtube was “boring” and a number of imbeciles who mocked and ridiculed a (Jewish)man who recently solved one of the hardest problems in mathematics. WN is also overrun with creationists and people who think that science is “useless” and that scientists are “lazy” people who don’t want to get a “real job.” A lot of this kind of crap is coming from people who watch Fox News and think Sarah Palin is a secret WN. I notice that there is big overlap in the opinions and terminology used by idiocracy nationalists and Freepers.
One of the worst ideas in white nationalism is that we all need to move to some remote area and stockpile weapons for the race war. Stromfront is full of arcane discussions about what kind of ammunition to buy and if it’s legal for a convicted felon to carry brass knuckles in their car.
Anti-Intellectualism is a very strong force among “right-wing” Americans and it infects white nationalism heavily. White nationalism, outside of places like this, is full of uneducated fools who think that “books is fur fags n’ jooz.”
This is why I think white nationalism needs to sever or at least reduce its ties to the “right”, and reposition itself as more of a liberal movement. People with IQs over 120 tend to self-identify as liberal. These are the kind of people we want to get. This small minority of people is ultimately a lot more important and influential than the low IQ conservative Christian masses that most WNs focus on trying to recruit.
Rather than trying to identify ourselves as liberal, which we are not, we should attract intelligent people by pointing out how stupid liberalism is. “Smart” people want to be thought of a liberal only because they imagine that it reflects well on them. Once they see it as a badge of ignorance, they’ll drop it.
Great article, and the exposition on hate was excellent and thought provoking. I would like to “reclaim” the term “hate” myself, I think it’s gotten a bad rap. Hate speech is free speech. And of course we need an intellectual culture.
But these movements tend to have lots of bright people that think deep thoughts, and little to no coordination or even a strict sense of who is on the team and who is not. Stregthening individuals is paramount, but teamwork is undervalued on the right wing. Sometimes you should just take orders and shut up about it. Maybe it’s time to move from personal empowerment to group empowerment. Instead of an individualist evolutionary strategy, maybe we should try a group evolutionary strategy.
It was indeed the Ancient Romans who brought Literacy and Civilization to Northern Europeans:
“The Latin alphabet, together with its modern variants such as the English, Spanish, French, Portuguese and German alphabets, is the most widely used alphabet in the world.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin
In case anyone doesn’t already know, Latin was the language of the Ancient Romans.
I find it pathetic that the very people who slander the Ancient Romans do it using an Alphabet given to their ancestors by those very Romans.
Also it is extremely interesting to note that 60% of English words have their origin in Latin or Greek:
“Over 60 percent of all English words have Greek or Latin roots.”
http://dictionary1.classic.reference.com/help/faq/language/t16.html
Agreed. I’m a Celt, and I am a huge fan of Ancient Rome. I don’t understand why WN, at this stage in the game, feel the need to engage in Med-Nord urination contests. What’s the point? Does this accomplish anything at all?
Too bad the Germans and the Romans expended so much energy slaughtering each other. When will Whites stop attacking and killing each other? You’d think that Nature would bestow and adaption gift, and insert a little allele somewhere, that compels us to help each other, and preserve each other, and stop killing our own, to the benefit of all the hostile racial aliens glorying in our impending extinction. Wouln’t cha?
Very well said.
They should, instead of engaging in these intra-White pissing contests — and this putative desire to feel ‘superior’ to someone — by expending this energy in fighting the REAL ENEMIES of our people.
That is, if they have the requisite courage to do so.
You should be saying this to “Discard” who started this “urination contest.”
How is promoting Classical culture starting a pissing contest? Because I pointed out in passing that most of our Northern ancestors were illiterate, lawless savages compared to the Romans? If anyone wishes to argue that the ancient Germanics were literate and lived under a code of laws, or that literacy and law are not the prerequisites of civilization, let’s hear it.
Go back and read what you wrote.
I had no idea “promoting Classical culture” involved denigrating Nords as savages, comparing them to Amerindians, maligning Nordish male honor, courage, fighting prowess, and repeating sketchy history and myth as truth. The main thrust of your comment is that Nordish folk are nothing without “Rome, Athens, and Jerusalem.”
If you’re going to even try to approach the subject of Classical civilization objectively, it would behoove you to consider some of the costs of Rome rather than merely slavishly worship it. How do you think the Jews were able to infest Europe in the first place?
I’ve got nothing against Meds or Classical civilization. We must work together, but that doesn’t mean Nordish folk must “discard” their identity let alone supplant it with fealty to Rome or Athens.
Bernard: Compared to the Romans and Greeks, the Nords were savages. It is entirely reasonable to compare them to American Indians, both were illiterate, tribal, warrior peoples. I did not compare their physical characteristics, only their cultural similarities.
I have in no way maligned the honor, courage, or fighting prowess of Nordic peoples. And yes, without the influence of the Mediterraneans, the Nords would not amount to much. Had they been somehow left isolated in their forests and marshes for the last 2000 years, there’d be no Beethoven, no Krupp, no Durer, no Leibnitz.
I am aware of the costs of the Roman Empire. Of the Pax Romana, it was said “the Romans made a desert and called it peace.” The Romans brought mass slavery to places where any slavery had been uncommon. They were arrogant and considered it their right to rule other peoples. The bloody spectacles they put on for entertainment were absolutely contemptible. But those are not the things that they are admired for, and no one has said we ought to. We can admire the ancient Germans for their virtues without praising their weaknesses.
Who here has written that Nords should give up their identity?
The typical pattern of these exchanges is that first a Mediterranean or ethnic attacks Northern Europeans, “Nordicists,” or “WASPs.” Then a Northern European, “Nordicist” or “WASP” responds. Finally, “Nordicists” are then blamed as the instigators and source of intra-European ethnic conflict.
MGLS: What Mediterranean or ethnic (?) has attacked Northern Europeans?
I said “typical pattern.” In this case it was an extended phenotype of Jews and Mediterraneans who started the debate by glorifying and exalting Rome, Athens, and Jerusalem and calling Northern Europeans “savages.”
Bernard,
I agree with your comments on ‘concentric circles’, racial interests do not negate sub-racial interests, and being wary of ‘overly ecumenical’ approaches in respect to all this.
Well said, respectful and honestly forthright. Let’s all take this approach — whether we are northern, southern or eastern European — when we speak about our different ethnicities with one another.
While I label myself a “conservative” in my advocacy work, my actual position is a traditionalist variant of the “third positionist” platform familiar to European rightist groups and practiced by the BNP. As White Advocates, our political mission is to try our best to reflect on what the White American folk and families need to thrive and succeed in their daily lives and manifest that.
I believe manifesting that results in a set of policies which would be labelled “third position”. There will be religious, regional, and personal variations on that, and plenty of opportunities to turn on one another after we’ve secured our sovereignty and control of our destiny. But until that fine day, I believe we’ll all be pretty much outside of the contemporary “left/right” paradigm.
Well said Matt. Conservatives exist to legitimize Leftists, otherwise that vaporous concoction of mental confusion would pass into history. Eg; “The libs are too strong, send money, we will fight to keep half.” If anyone thinks I’m wrong about “vaporous concoction” visit a DailyKos thread dealing with something called “racsim” and read all the posts.
An interesting essay on the need to upgrade the intelligence of white culture.
I wonder if the discussion on ‘hate’ sidetracked the issues.
It seems to me that the failure of perception and understanding is due to a materialistic, one-sided education which has no understanding of symbolism. I tried to address this issue
in my essay, “Conspiracy Theory and Symbolic Self-Immunity”
posted here:
http://from-the-catacombs.blogspot.com/2010/02/conspiracy-theory-and-symbolic-self.html
It’s a complicated issue and I would be sorry to see the focus jump into hate issues. That would be a dumbing-down indeed!
I find it pathetic that people denigrate Nords while living in the countries they created and lusting after their women.
Ancient civilization wasn’t an exclusive construction by Meds, there were Nords among them, mainly in the aristrocracy. If not, why then do Nordish countries lead the world today and have higher average IQs? Why has Greece fallen so far behind?
Racialism and White nationalism come from Nords. Without Nords the “West” would look more like Brazil, North Africa and the Middle East.
Exactly. The reason we even made it this far was because we extricated ourselves first from the Roman Empire and then from the Roman Catholic Church. And now people who feast on what we have created and built and on our women seek to clamp down on Nordicism and contain us.
“Ancient civilization wasn’t an exclusive construction by Meds, there were Nords among them, mainly in the aristocracy.”
There’s no reason to think this. Roman Elites commented on how strange they found the physical appearance of the more Nordic looking Northern Tribes.
“If not, why then do Nordish countries lead the world today and have higher average IQs?”
Romance Language Speaking White European Countries average out to an IQ of 98, according to IQ and the Wealth of Nations. This holds even if you throw out France.
The Nordish Countries average out to an average to an IQ of 99.54.
This is really a tiny difference, and could in theory be explained of itself by the effects of the Northern European Countries having escaped from the dysgenic mistake of widespread Priestly Celibacy about 500 years sooner than the Catholic Countries did.
If anything I would estimate based on this that Nordish Countries had lower I.Q.s before their relative distance from Rome allowed them to get some of the benefits of Protestantism. (Benefits that Eugenics godfather Sir Francis Galton alluded to.)
As for Greece, it’s very important to understand that they were the Mediterranean Whites who first got the curse of legally mandated Monogamy.
This is just the sort of thing that would’ve been especially dysgenic and harmful in the context of a Patriarchal Culture where Women were firmly under the hand of their Cuckoldry Hating Husbands.
Where Women have higher status, they are far more likely to successfully cheat on their Husbands, and at least in certain Historical conditions they are much more likely to successfully bear and rear children as single mothers.
Since the North Women had higher status relative to Men as compared to in Women in Greece, this created a situation where the average Northern Women could get her hands on the genes of higher IQ Men than the average Greek Women could.
Over enough generations this would have a dysgenic effect on the Greeks relative to the Northern Whites, as well as having a negative effect on them relative to the basically Patriarchal but still longstandingly Seduction Oriented Nations of Italy, Spain, and France; no matter how superior the Greeks may have been in their Polygamy influenced glory days.
We have no direct evidence on the IQs of different White subpopulations 2,500 years ago, etc.
The only evidence we have indicates that the Italians and Greeks were far ahead of anyone else in Intellectual achievement.
Whether this was due to biological superiority, or cultural factors, cannot really be said at this time.
To settle this question we’d have to clone some Ancient Romans and Greeks, an idea I fully support.
I suspect that while being fully Mediterranean Whites in every way, and clustering with the Mediterranean Whites of today much more than then the Northern European Whites, they’d still in some significant ways be superior to their descendants. (Especially in the case of the Greeks.)
If only Polygamy was held fast to by my ancestors, they’d NEVER have had the Pagan Birthrate lower enough for the Latin Christians to take over the power structure via the mechanism of their high birthrate.
Then when they took over the power structure they tended to show a reckless disregard for Eugenic issues, with their efforts to undermine the fertility of the best educated Men via the mechanism of Priestly Celibacy being in some ways the most galling, due to how this policy was directly contradicted by the very Holy Texts they pretended to believe in for the sake of cracking down on Polygamy.
Thank Jove for the clever Italian, Iberian, and French seducers of married Women who undid so much of the harm the unreasonable fanatics of the Catholic Church tried to do to us.
Desperate times call for desperate measures, and the overly otherworldly oriented Popes inflicted desperate times on us.
Of course some things the Church did were good, such as helping to preserve Classical Civilization (though I think they did this reluctantly), and sometimes giving Whites something to rally around against common Non-European Enemies.
You guys are pathetic.
If only European-Americans got along as well as Jews and Blacks… we might still be in power in this country.
As much as I enjoy all European cultures and sub-races, I have to agree with Euro. I believe it was either Kievsky or Kulaks that said these guys argue in the Afro-centric mode meaning everything and all good and pure came from the Nords. Absurd…tiresome…counterproductive…
Oh yes, and for Bernard, one does not answer a question with a question. You did learn that in “Nord” school, did you not?
These guys just have a lot of fantasies, along with a lot of insecurities — and that is why they have to put other peoples and cultures down — so as to make themselves feel better by pretending to themselves that they are the descendants of Vikings or something.
Of all the Northern Europeans that I have met — it seems to be primarily those of British descent that are the most deluded in this respect. I have never met a ‘Ger-man’ or a Scandinavian that is as obsessed with ‘Nordicism’ (or Nordishness’) as are ‘racialist’ Americans.
I am born and raised, and spent my formative years, in Scandinavia (since long a naturalized American, though) and I would agree with Karl der Große *wink*. We tend to look upon Meds as not quite as White as we are, but a brother no less. We are secure enough to deal with it.
That said, I would also agree with MGLS that almost all of these pissing contests are started by Meds. It would behoove us all if it stopped.
On an historical note: I think the Roman Empire was great, but it did fail to invent the number zero, without which there can be no algebra. It was the battle of Teutoburger Wald (Teutons) and the Pannonian Upprising (Hungarians) that stopped the RE and made them decide to not venture past the Rhine and Danube again, not some feeling that the real estate wasn’t valuable enough. “We” Nords were fiercer warriors and “them” Meds had more advanced culture. It’s all history, people, so lets stick together.
We tend to look upon Meds as not quite as White as we are, but a brother no less. We are secure enough to deal with it.
That said, I would also agree with MGLS that almost all of these pissing contests are started by Meds. It would behoove us all if it stopped.
Good insight on both accounts. Objectively speaking they are darker and have more non-European genetic ancestry.
Blaming Nords for the hysterics of non-Nords is like blaming Whites for the hysterics of non-Whites. We should just shut up and not assert our racial/ethnic identity because it upsets some people. It’s political correctness all over again.
Nordicreb,
I wholeheartedly agree with everything you say — especially the part about “we (Scandanavians) are secure enough to deal with it..” (regarding the way ‘Meds’ are looked at as not White in the same way as Skandi’s — but Brothers nonetheless).
You know the old saying ‘its not what you say, but how you say it’? This is the problem I have with the ‘Nordicist’ commentators here on OD — they are often too arrogant in the way they disparagingly speak about southern Europeans — not so much what they say…but how they say it.
And, like I said before, this disrespectful attitude seemingly always comes from those of British descent compared to other northern Europeans — such as yourself.
these guys argue in the Afro-centric mode meaning everything and all good and pure came from the Nords.
You mean like White nationalists do? You mean like the Meds did in this thread? The hypocrisy and obliviousness of some of you is grotesque. You can’t think, you just repeat.
Neither I nor any of the other Nordicists here are against White unity in working against our common enemies.
It’s very simple – racial interests do not negate subracial interests, ethnic interests, family interests, individual interests, etc. Think concentric circles. We share a circle, but there are also circles which we do not share. All we ask is that you not deny us our circle.
Interesting essay and all, but there’s nothing original about the idea of the mind as a weapon or mind war. You shouldn’t describe it as an “original concept you came up with”.
His specific concept of psychological warfare can be novel, and almost certainly is. So far I like the aggregation of ideas and analogies he’s used to describe the process/phenomenon.
Joe,
I googled around to see if the concept of “mind-war” as I defined and expanded it is out there, and it’s not. The closest thing I found, besides Odysseus, was a Psy-Ops Army guy, apparently a Satanist, who wrote a book with the term “Mind-War” in it, but it’s not the same as my idea:
http://www.xeper.org/maquino/
His Mind-War describes a Psy-Ops attack against a nation or a people. My mind-war is the defense, and it’s much more interesting.
He wants to disspirit a nation. I want to bring the spirit back, but the method for restoring the spirit of the White nation, and for getting power back, is to take back the Culture of Learning.
Here’s where I will make the case that my idea is in fact original.
1. We White have our heads full of action movies and we interpret reality through the structure of a feature film. Problem, development, attack, gunfight, car chase, another gunfight, another car chase, a setback, the hero hijacks a helicopter and dukes it out with bad guy, another car chase, good guys win, credits roll. 1.5 hours, neatly wrapped up.
2. Thus we are kept in a state of mental and spiritual arrested development. We only think about solving our problems in terms of gunfights and car chases. That’s why we aren’t getting real world stuff accomplished.
3. Mind-weaponization is the acceptance of where the fight really is — on the level of intellect, spirit and culture. We haven’t even begun to fight on this level, at least not collectively. We are like Gulliver in the land of the Liliputians in this sense, or tranquilized wolves.
4. The shortest path to Mind-Weaponization and fighting the Real War is to adopt the culture of learning, similar to what the Chinese do. Entrepreneurialism using trade-skills is one. Math and Science another. Foreign languages another. You have some kind of innate talent. Figure out how to weaponize this talent. The Chinese invented gunpowder, but they didn’t make guns. They used it for firecrackers. Marco Polo got the gunpowder and it took approximately .0001 seconds for Europeans to “weaponize” gunpowder.
It’s a battle of consciousness. We kind of know that, but the thing is, if you make of ourselves, our White human material, an army of scientists and entrepreneurs, this is how we start fighting back. We’ll be fighting the Real War. Otherwise, we’re not fighting the real war, we’re tapping on keyboards, and doing some socializing, which is in itself worthwhile. But the Real War is the Mind-War.
“From PSYOP to MindWar: The Psychology of Victory.” That paper is summarized as: “the deliberate aggressive convincing of all participants in a war that we will win that war.” Consider this sort of mindwar by Whites against others; it’s essentially a master morality.
Aquino may not even be the most interesting thing about the paper, check out his co-writer:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_E._Vallely
Just consider his ties to Israel, the Bush administration, the various torture policies, the Plame affair (read nuclear proliferation) etc.
In a sense it’s a mirror image of yours, you suggest a taqiyyah strategy, while this Mindwar is all about perception. Their comes from a position of strength, your is an acknowedgement of (at least short term) tactical disadvantage.
Their sort of Mindwar would be to convince illegal mestisozs that they will be rounded up in camps unless they self-deport. Their sort of Mindwar is used by prosecutors to get conspirators to flip.
It’s worth looking into both Vallely and Aquino and the way they see the art/science of manipulation human consciousness, through the truly weird things they were into. Learning Latin won’t win any wars, cultural or otherwise, and at some point a culture of learning has to learn to be aggressive; psychological aggression can go a long way. We could go a long way with some force multipliers of our own.
One reason for the correlation between students of Hebrew and higher SAT scores could be the fact most of those studing it are Members of the Tribe (MOTs)- in other words- Ashkenazim.
Ding – ding – ding! We have a winner!
Charlemagne says:
May 23, 2010 at 2:58 pm
MGLS,
Why do you keep citing that philo-semitic creep Arthur Kemp
Why do you comment using both the names “Charlemagne” and “Kulaks Never Learn”?
Joe Edwards says:
May 23, 2010 at 9:04 pm
… there’s nothing original about the idea of the mind as a weapon or mind war. You shouldn’t describe it as an “original concept you came up with”.
Bingo, another red flag.
Speaking of red flags, did you just attack one of OD’s authors ad hominem?
Why do you comment using both the names “Charlemagne” and “Kulaks Never Learn”?
Who he refers to as another person, what a freak.
These guys just have a lot of fantasies, along with a lot of insecurities — and that is why they have to put other peoples and cultures down
I didn’t know Tim Wise commented here.
Mark and MGLS,
I happen to like the majority of Charlemagne’s and Kulaks’ comments, and never find either of them to be belligerent, unlike you two. That’s intended not as an insult, but as an observation. If, say, you had obtained access to OD’s database and noticed that Charlemagne and Kulaks used the same e-mail address then:
1) It’s obvious that he didn’t care if OD knew.
2) I’ve never noticed either Charlemagne or Kulaks to act detrimentally to the site or conversation.
3) OD didn’t suffer greatly from something EVERYONE has done in the past.
4) MGLS and possibly Mark hacked OD’s website.
Correct me if I’m wrong.
To clarify 3) pertains to using more than one handle on a site at some point, not hacking.
3) OD didn’t suffer greatly from something EVERYONE has done in the past.
Presumably when you say “EVERYONE” has posted under multiple names, you are admitting to having done so yourself, so why don’t you tell us the other names you have used on this site?
MGLS,
Wow, I just got to say Wow.
Dude, I am very impressed by the way you spent so much time culling together all sorts of comments and sayings by myself and other commentators. You certainly have a heck of a lot of time on your hands.
I use to think people like you were a tad socio-pathic — now I know your simply just an Internet Nerd.
Still, no hard feelings. Just use that skill-set of yours fighting non-Whites instead of picking-on ‘Meds’. Fair enough, no?
I would agree with Morphy, especially on #4: IF that is indeed the case, how do you know?
Deduction. If Charlemagne and Kulaks are the same author, the only way other than access to the OD database that MGLS could know that is to provide an example of comment(s) from either/both that taken on the whole demonstrate that fact (and the two sounding similar doesn’t constitute proof). Of course it’s possible that MGLS is lying, which while not a crime, certainly wouldn’t reflect well on him. As for Mark, he was awful quick to, in effect, second MGLS’ accusation, although he could use the ignorance defense, i.e. that he took MGLS’ word for it but failed to notice the larger implications of MGLS’ statement pertaining to MGLS himself. It’s circumstantial that Mark seemed quick to recollect a conversation wherein Charlemagne referenced Kulaks or vice versa.
The idea that you need to hack OD to realize that “Charlemagne” and “Kulaks Never Learn” are the same person is laughable.
I have no idea what the email and IP addresses of “Charlemagne” and “Kulaks Never Learn” are. You don’t need to hack OD to see that “Charlemagne” and “Kulaks Never Learn” are the same person. It is obvious if you read their comments closely.
It is curious that this person uses multiple names and pretends to be multiple people. “Charlemagne” / “Kulaks Never Learn” also seems to have a split personality or some other mental disorder: “Charlemagne” threatened to stop commenting here because he was upset by some comments by Mark, and “Kulaks Never Learn” begged “Charlemagne” to return.
Sounding similar does not constitute proof. Charlemagne’s and Kulaks’ author(s) are not being questioned. And yes, a hacker could determine that Charlemagne and Kulaks were the same author (if that is the case) by IP address (assuming there was only one OD commenter per IP) as well as by e-mail.
By “OD commenter” I mean a physical person, presumably in the example given using two handles.
And yes, a hacker could determine that Charlemagne and Kulaks were the same author (if that is the case) by IP address (assuming there was only one OD commenter per IP) as well as by e-mail.
Obviously a hacker could see that they are the same person if they used the same email address and IP address. What I said is that you don’t need to hack OD to realize that they are the same person. I have no idea what their email and IP addresses are. For what it’s worth, I doubt the email and IP addresses of “Charlemagne” and “Kulaks Never Learn” are the same, since “Kulaks Never Learn” said he uses TOR.
http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2010/05/15/time-to-build-a-coalition-and-expand-our-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-53904
Please stop talking to yourself and provide proof of your claim that you were able to determine for a fact that Charlemagne and Kulaks have the same author. In the event you cannot provide such proof (and for the third time, sounding similar is NOT proof), I would advise OD administrators to look into whether Charlemagne and Kulaks can be determined to have the same author via IP and e-mail information. If that is the case then ironically it looks worse for you.
Let’s move this to the forum.
I look forward to reading your case against Charlemagne and Kulaks when you post it in the forum.
With the proviso that whether Charlemagne & Kulaks have the same author bears little on their author(s) IMO.
I am almost done putting the information together.
Additionally, “Landser” is another name the person “Kulaks Never Learn” / “Charlemagne” uses.
It they so desired, “Kulaks Never Learn,” “Charlemagne,” and “Landser” could either confirm or deny the claim that they are the same person.
MGLS,
Wow, I just got to say Wow.
Dude, I am very impressed by the way you spent so much time culling together all sorts of comments and sayings by myself and other commentators. You certainly have a heck of a lot of time on your hands.
I use to think people like you were a tad socio-pathic — now I know your simply just an Internet Nerd.
Still, no hard feelings. Just use that skill-set of yours fighting non-Whites instead of picking-on ‘Meds’. Fair enough, no?
Kievsky – you are absolutely right, in your thought system. We must train our minds. Thought inspires action.
If Charlemagne and Kulaks are the same author, the only way other than access to the OD database that MGLS could know that is to provide an example of comment(s) from either/both that taken on the whole demonstrate that fact (and the two sounding similar doesn’t constitute proof).
I am compiling evidence and will post it in a thread at the forum.
I’m not a forum member.
I guess I’ll sign up.
http://www.occidentaldissent.com/forum/showthread.php?t=635
Here is a thread at the forum in which I provide evidence for the claim that “Charlemagne,” “Landser,” and “Kulaks Never Learn” are the same person.
In case people didn’t see this post upthread:
Mark said:
“Ancient civilization wasn’t an exclusive construction by Meds, there were Nords among them, mainly in the aristocracy.”
There’s no reason to think this. Roman Elites commented on how strange they found the physical appearance of the more Nordic looking Northern Tribes.
Mark said:
“If not, why then do Nordish countries lead the world today and have higher average IQs?”
Romance Language Speaking White European Countries average out to an IQ of 98, according to IQ and the Wealth of Nations. This holds even if you throw out France.
The Nordish Countries average out to an average to an IQ of 99.54.
This is really a tiny difference, and could in theory be explained of itself by the effects of the Northern European Countries having escaped from the dysgenic mistake of widespread Priestly Celibacy about 500 years sooner than the Catholic Countries did.
If anything I would estimate based on this that Nordish Countries had lower I.Q.s before their relative distance from Rome allowed them to get some of the benefits of Protestantism. (Benefits that Eugenics godfather Sir Francis Galton alluded to.)
“If anything I would estimate based on this that Nordish Countries had lower I.Q.s before their relative distance from Rome allowed them to get some of the benefits of Protestantism.”
So, you think the Meds are, or at least were (before Catholicism) genetically smarter than Northern Europeans?
Reginald: “‘Ancient civilization wasn’t an exclusive construction by Meds, there were Nords among them, mainly in the aristocracy.’
There’s no reason to think this.”
Are you denying Northern European Ancient Civilization?
[quote]As for Greece, it’s very important to understand that they were the Mediterranean Whites who first got the curse of legally mandated Monogamy.
This is just the sort of thing that would’ve been especially dysgenic and harmful in the context of a Patriarchal Culture where Women were firmly under the hand of their Cuckoldry Hating Husbands. [/quote]
Once again, Reginald brings his Polygamy hobby horse into the discussion!
[quote] Where Women have higher status, they are far more likely to successfully cheat on their Husbands, and at least in certain Historical conditions they are much more likely to successfully bear and rear children as single mothers….
…Thank Jove for the clever Italian, Iberian, and French seducers of married Women who undid so much of the harm the unreasonable fanatics of the Catholic Church tried to do to us. [/quote]
Please don’t tell me you are now endorsing adultery, Reginald!
“Are you denying Northern European Ancient Civilization?”
I was responding to the claim that “Nords” were especially found in the Roman aristocracy.
Whether Northern Europeans had a Ancient Civilization(s) would depend on how you define the term Civilization.
Was there Urbanism in the North of Europe before the Romans started founding settlements?
To what degree was there long distance trade and specialization of labor?
“So, you think the Meds are, or at least were (before Catholicism) genetically smarter than Northern Europeans?”
I would tend strongly toward that view. While there isn’t direct that Catholicism depresses IQ, the inferential evidence is both powerful and consistent with Pre-Catholic Southern European Whites greatly outperforming other Whites in intellectual output.
No I‘m not.
There are other factors to consider in respect to a practice than whether its Eugenic or not. For example, in the modern context of a World where (damnably) Women are allowed to have premarital sex, Adultery has the effect of driving Men away from Marriage.
While these Men may say they’re happy having lots of Non-Marital Sex, the fact remains that this reduces the Birthrate and the number of Women who get the profound benefits females get from Matrimony.
At the same time I must admit I found Barb’s proposal of a while back, of paying couples to have the genetic children of outstandingly high IQ individuals, quite attractive.
A basic issue is that we should try to avoid putting Men into situations where they’re tricked into raising children that aren’t biologically theirs.
For moral reasons (and others) it would be much better to take Eugenics, and the noble and important fight against Dysgenics, out into the open where everyone can see it.
is there a way to filter out MOST of the comments/commenters on here, or do i have to dig thru the flamer/troll/cybernazi-knowitall bitchery shit to find the few choice nuggets of relevance as to the original article?