The R.E.A.L. Tragedy
Feb 3rd, 2010 by Hunter Wallace
A response to Jeffrey Imm and R.E.A.L.
Growing up in the 1990s, I found myself pondering all sorts of mysteries as a teenager: why did my black classmates consistently receive lower test scores; why were black students always in the lower track courses; why did people on television claim that blacks were as smart as Whites; why did blacks act in such a peculiar way; why were the smart White kids herded into the same schools with black thugs and drug dealers. I didn’t get it. Something didn’t feel right.
The inclusion of blacks at my school always bothered me. It struck me as an obstacle to my education. Blacks often assaulted the White kids in the school cafeteria. They sold drugs in school. They disrupted the classroom. They didn’t show any interest in their studies. Their sordid underclass culture rubbed off on the poorer Whites. My teachers were constantly forced to waste their time catering to the lowest common denominator. It was one long farce from kindergarten to graduation.
When I arrived at college, I was catapulted into a whole different world. Suddenly, there were lots of bright people around me with similar interests. A magic filter whisked away all the troublesome blacks who took up space in high school. In their place, I had an enormous college library to mine with thousands of books that interested me. I had a slew of courses that I could take to satisfy my intellectual curiosity. There was no comparison between my new segregated environment and my old integrated one.
I plunged in head first. When I emerged five years later, I was a different person. I had come to realize that my generation was the subject of a cruel liberal experiment in social engineering. In the name of “equality,” a small group of federal judges and ideologues had overthrown Alabama’s segregated school system and forced raw negroes into the White schools. This was done solely to uplift the negro, not to improve the White schools. Integration was based on the flawed premise that segregated schools were the cause of black academic underperformance.
Fifty years later, the segregationists have yet to be vindicated. The racial gap in average test scores failed to disappear in the integrated schools. It has stubbornly persisted into the Obama presidency. The traditional social problems of the black underclass (illegitimacy, vulgarity, drug abuse, violence, indolence, teen pregnancy) were imported into the White schools where they became a common problem. America’s public schools once inspired envy throughout the Western world. Thanks to our growing black and mestizo population, they now rank near the bottom.
The segregationists were right about other things. Theodore Bilbo had predicted that the end of segregation would unleash a tidal wave of black-on-white violent crime. Even Bilbo though couldn’t imagine that the day would come when negroes would rape over 35,000 white women per year in the United States. This was unknown in the Jim Crow South. Interracial crime is a one way street. Whites are overwhelmingly the victims of murders, thefts, rapes, and assaults by negroes, not the other way around. Even when blacks murder, rape, and steal from other blacks, White taxpayers incur the costs of their incarceration. This is another unsavory aspect of Martin Luther King’s so-called “dream” that is deliberately ignored in the mainstream.
Why do Whites accept inferior schools? Why do they endure unbearable levels of interracial violent crime? Why do they put up with racial discrimination in the form of affirmative action? Why do Whites accept an immigration policy which displaces them from their neighborhoods and reduces their political power? Why do Whites accept the redistribution of their wealth to non-Whites?
Let’s travel further in this vein: Why do Whites accept the degeneration of their culture? Why do Whites accept the spread of poverty, disease, filth, and ignorance in their midst? Why do Whites accept economic underdevelopment? Why do Whites accept the surrender of their culture and identity to placate hostile minorities? Why do Whites think their displacement in their native lands is a good thing? Why do Whites confuse decline with progress?
From a perspective of self interest, White racial suicide doesn’t make any sense. It becomes explicable though in the light of ideology and altruism. Our enemies have twisted Christianity and republicanism to justify our demise as a people. The intellectual fraud they have perpetrated doesn’t stand up to close historical scrutiny. The real impulse to annihilate Whites comes from outside both of these traditions.
Two centuries ago, Whites didn’t have these debates. Republicanism and Christianity flourished alongside a vigorous racial nationalism. Slavery was a contentious issue, but Whiteness itself wasn’t attacked by even the most radical egalitarians. No one believed that “liberty” and “equality” mandated or required the demographic submersion of America’s White majority. If a Christian minister or priest had invoked “love” to justify the racial displacement of his flock, they would have laughed him out of church. They probably would have tarred and feathered him to boot.
The attack on Whiteness began in the twentieth century. It came from three primary sources: Jewish academics, black intellectuals, and Marxists. More often that not, blacks and Jews mingled in the same radical fringe. It was an extremely secular milieu. Collectively, they dreamed of overthrowing the bourgeoisie republican order and replacing it with a classless Marxist utopia in which all racial and social distinctions would be abolished.
The Soviet Union was the first European nation to permanently incorporate this revolutionary ideal into law. In the 1920s, the USSR became a mecca for radical black intellectuals alienated from America. In the United States, the Communist Party USA was the only political party that fully championed the colorblind ideal that gradually triumphed after the Second World War. It was instructed to unfurl the banner of racial equality by the Comintern. Within the CPUSA, the Moscow party line was controversial, as it tended to alienate White working class voters.
This is a rich story that no one has completely told. The term “racism” made its debut on the Marxist fringe in the 1920s, entered American public discourse in the 1930s, and penetrated the mainstream in the 1940s. The Civil Rights Movement had close ties to communism in its earliest years. The U.S. dismantled Jim Crow largely because of the appeal of communism in the Third World. The ruling class neutralized the racial threat of Soviet communism (the possibility of a black fifth column) by mainstreaming the Soviet racial ideal here in America.
The spearhead of anti-racism hasn’t changed in our own times. It is still composed of Jewish academics, black intellectuals, and Marxists. The common thread uniting them is communism, atheism, and hatred of Whites. They have since moved on to creating a new radical discourse about “white privilege” and new forms of subversion like “critical race theory.” These ideals are then smuggled into the mainstream through left-wing front groups as the newest form of Christianity and republicanism.
This is where Comrade Jeffrey enters the picture. His apparent role is to put words into the mouth of Jesus Christ or Thomas Jefferson that were never spoken. The true progenitors of his ideal can trace their footsteps back to Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin. He doesn’t want you to find that out though.
HW,
This is an incredible entry because the historical sweep that you provide comes across as both comprehensive and compelling. Bravo!
“America’s public schools once inspired envy throughout the Western world. Thanks to our growing black and mestizo population, they now rank near the bottom.”
Does anyone have any numbers demonstrating where on that scale America would rank if we exclude black and mestizo scores?
Hunter,
I think you meant “The integrations have not yet been vindicated.” The segregationists have been vindicated (proven right) all along.
Great essay! I agree with notuswind’s comment above completely!
I enthusiastically second #1 and #3: great essay!
My Russian friends who were actually born in the homeland told me that the anti-racist party line was not accepted by the majority of Slavs. They had to swallow it for the sake of staying on the good side of the government. However after Stalinism, in the days of Khrushchev and especially Brezhnev these policies were embraced with much less fervor and Russian nationalism made a strong resurgence. Basically by the end of WWII the ideological fanaticism of communism was running out of steam, though as we all know it asserted itself strongly in our neck of the woods around the same time.
Great job. That is a valuable and illustrative short essay. Keep up the good work. And if you can ever find the time to take on a long term project, I’d suggest you write a book exploring these themes in greater detail.
The communists used to label strikes that excluded blacks “hate strikes.” Red Jeffrey borrowed his vocabulary from them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Communist_Party_and_African-Americans
You were really rolling until you got to this point…”The attack on Whiteness began in the twentieth century. It came from three primary sources: Jewish academics, black intellectuals, and Marxists.”
The primary source is the Yankee. Jewish academics, black intellectuals, and Marxists are simply the tools the Yankee uses to oppress the rest of the White race. The Yankee used “freeing” the Negro as justification to invade and pillage the South in the 19th century, and, in the 20th century, the Yankee used “integration” of the Negro to destroy White ethnic neighborhoods in the North.
Your entry underscores an aspect of race relations that is purposely suppressed. Anti-racists advance their agenda by insinuating that whites have some innate, congenital hatred of blacks, rather than allowing that whites are simply reacting (quite legitimately) to black behavior and culture and the deletorious effects they inevitably produce. This type of personal attack silences whites and causes them to acquiesce in the destruction of their societies rather than risk being accused of bigotry. But as your experience (and everyone else’s) reveals, the cultural precedes the personal.
why did my black classmates consistently receive lower test scores; why were black students always in the lower track courses; why did people on television claim that blacks were as smart as Whites; why did blacks act in such a peculiar way; why were the smart White kids herded into the same schools with black thugs and drug dealers. I didn’t get it. Something didn’t feel right.
Why are blacks superior to whites? This is the common wisdom. “Everyone knows” blacks are every bit as capable as whites mentally, and superior physically, ergo they’re superior to whites. How is that okay?
Excellent piece here. I had similar experiences attending a ~50% negro public middle school, though luckily I was able to attend a ~95% white private HS.
The most important part of this is that you’re writing in a specifically American WN context that is no doubt intellectually sound, but at the same time can appeal to average whites. I’m sick of many WNs complicating things by dragging in anti-Christianity, National Socialism, Neopaganism, obscure European intellectuals, anti-Republicanism, anti-Capitalism, Third Reich daydreaming etc.
Keep it simple but not too simple. American, Christian (at least not anti-Christian), family values– give us back our White Christian Republic!
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I would love to write a few books charting the rise and fall of the White Republic. The notes in the American Racial History Timeline are the primitive precursor of a series of essays on the topic.
Travis - the “Yankee”?
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Do you mean “The Jew”?
Salon.com: James O’Keefe & White Nationalists
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2010/02/03/james_okeefe_white_nationalists/index.html
Comments:
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Great essay. I know exactly what you are talking about. In elementary school, I had to ride a school bus with 99% blacks. Me and another guy were the only White kids on the bus.
The school I went to was a liberal project. They shipped blacks from the government housing project into a White school all the way across town. I lived near the black projects and was included into their district instead of going to a school that was closer to my house.
Jeffrey Imm has probably never lived around real blacks in his life. I can tell by the laughable BS he runs.
Travis means “Yankees” as in progressive Protestant Northerners. There was a good debate between Kevin MacDonald and Eric Kaufman over whether white culture in America is suiciding itself or being “murdered” by Jews. Check it out at The Occidental Observer (I think) or here:
http://www.vdare.com/misc/090812_kaufmann.htm
You are making too much out of this Imm guy, he ain’t that important. Matter of fact he’s insignificant compared to the real players.
For all I know, Travis himself is a Jew.
Trolls infest this blog, attempting to turn white against white: South against North, Elite against working class, Catholic against Protestant.
If we fall into this trap, we won’t be able to defend ourselves from the malice of our bitterest enemies.
Here’s what the real culprits are afraid of—watch this short BNP advertisment:
http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=1097203&postcount=1
Why can’t it be both? White liberals are and always have been bent on racial suicide, and Jews are helping move the process along.
One has to admit that the mixing of whites with blacks etc. has everything to do with the concept of “Jobs Americans Won’t Do.”
Don’t blame that one on the Jews.
“Why are blacks superior to whites? This is the common wisdom. “Everyone knows” blacks are every bit as capable as whites mentally, and superior physically, ergo they’re superior to whites. How is that okay?”
Very true. This was one of the first contradictions in anti-white doctrine that I noticed as a very young child, perhaps the first. I distinctly remember thinking about it in elementary and middle school. I suspect that it had a significant impact on my early recognition that liberalism/race-mixing was a dishonest and malevolent force as opposed to the compassionate movement that it always purports to be.
The following exchange with a non-intellectual lemming might be interesting:
Lemming: All racial groups are the same.
White Nationalist: What about in terms of intelligence?
Lemming: Absolutely! The same.
White Nationalist: What about in terms of sports? Are all groups the same, at say, sprinting? Chinese the same as blacks?
Lemming: Uhhhh…….
White Nationalist: (Geez, a million possibilities. Here is one):
So let me get this straight. You’ve let them teach you that blacks are equal to you in all ways, except that blacks are better than you are? That they are superior to you? What was that book by Orwell? “It appears that some animals are more equal than others.”
Frankly, I would find it hard to stomach the above conversation, but it might plant a seed in a lemming or two. Even if he can’t come all the way around, he will sense that the politically correct establishment is lying to him. As I’ve said before: undermine, undermine, undermine. For every WN convert, we need a dozen opponents demoralized or weakened in their anti-white, hate filled faith.
Excellent piece! I’m sure many of us could write up a similar entry with very little variance of facts.
I think most of our peers ask themselves these same questions, but they quickly lose interest in pursuing the matter out of a very justifiable fear that their inquiries will be met with scorn, moral opprobrium (both feigned and legitimate, but primarily the former, which makes it even sadder) and character assassination.
It requires a concerted effort to truly delude yourself into accepting egalitarian abstractions, which are rendered prima facie absurd by daily experience, but it requires even greater effort, combined with courage, to stand up against it in any meaningful way.
I don’t share your esteem for republicanism and Christianity, but I won’t digress on this topic. Hunter, I wonder about your opinion on this excerpt from Imperium:
http://library.flawlesslogic.com/yockey_2.htm
Those who want to turn the South against the North aren’t really trolls; they are very sincere.
“Travis means “Yankees” as in progressive Protestant Northerners.”
Yes, of course. Edward Banfield uses this term “Judeo-Puritian” to describe them. They are progeny of the Judaizer Oliver Cromwell and his New Model Army. They were Whigs when White Southerners and Roman Catholic Ethincs in the North were Democrats (”Rum, Romanism,& Rebellion”). They are Calvinist to the core, even if they no longer believe in the risen Christ. They believe they are the Elect. If anyone is under the illusion that they will ever unite with the rest of White America, you are mistaken.
I’m sick of many WNs complicating things by dragging in anti-Christianity, National Socialism, Neopaganism, obscure European intellectuals, anti-Republicanism, anti-Capitalism, Third Reich daydreaming etc.
Keep it simple but not too simple. American, Christian (at least not anti-Christian), family values– give us back our White Christian Republic! - ski
Let me put it this way, and I’ll try to be as polite as possible: A large number of White racialists do not want to live in a White Christian Republic; I and many others would be in fact willing to fight not to. Religious beliefs ought to be kept to the private sphere, regression to the days of Christian hegemony is just as undesirable as the current situation in my opinion.
There were always a lot of good White men in the North. In the Antebellum era, the best region of the country was the Border North and Border South where the general sentiment was in favor of deporting negroes to Africa. This was opposed in Lower South states like South Carolina as abolitionism and in the New England in states like Massachusetts as inhumane.
“Religious beliefs ought to be kept to the private sphere, regression to the days of Christian hegemony is just as undesirable as the current situation in my opinion.”
That doesn’t make sense. I’d tolerate 19th Century levels of Christianity just to increase the Birthrate and get Pornography banned.
Nothing says we’d go back to the Middle Ages, where every once in a while you had to pretend to be a Christian to avoid the Stake.
Science and Darwins Theory have made going back to that a complete impossiblity.
“There were always a lot of good White men in the North. In the Antebellum era, the best region of the country was the Border North and Border South where the general sentiment was in favor of deporting negroes to Africa.”
You are correct. But those men were not Yankees, and they ended up fighting each other (600,000 White men died) so that the Union could be preserved. Cui bono?
For the record, I’m not a troll. I hear to learn and join the discussion. At this point, I’m not fully convince that Nationalism of any kind will benefit the White race.
That should have read…”I’m here to learn and join the discussion.”
“the Yankee used “integration” of the Negro to destroy White ethnic neighborhoods in the North.”
Finally someone has stated the obvious. Intra ethnic emnity is the single greatest cause of White decline. WASPS are the single greatest source of this emnity.
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The primary source is the Yankee. Jewish academics, black intellectuals, and Marxists are simply the tools the Yankee uses to oppress the rest of the White race.
No. Why don’t you head over to Chronicles? I’m sure you would enjoy reading Thomas Fleming and Clyde Wilson attacking Yankees and Puritans and blaming them for almost everything under the sun.
the Yankee used “integration” of the Negro to destroy White ethnic neighborhoods in the North
The “Yankee” was driven out of many Northern cities by immigrants from Southern and Eastern Europe. The race-replacement that shall not be named.
Finally someone has stated the obvious. Intra ethnic emnity is the single greatest cause of White decline. WASPS are the single greatest source of this emnity.
This touches on the problem with white nationalism. Most white Americans are of Northwestern European descent. A historic American nationalism that seeks to secure the interests of founding stock Americans would likely be more potent and have a greater chance for success than pan-Europeanism.
Italian-Americans like Euro who ooze hostility toward those of Northwestern European descent, those who comprise the founding stock of America, are a great example of why the 1924 Immigration Act ought to have been passed several decades earlier.
Excellent post Hunter — one of your best here in a while (though you’ve definitely been penning some great ones over on ‘Antisemitica’ lately too).
I will hopefully respond more to the specifics or your post tomorrow when I have more time on my hands (my personal time for web-browsing, writing, and commenting has been in very short supply lately), but I echo what Andrew Anderson wrote above…when are you going to start writing your first book? Do you have any plans to do so? Do you think that you can write your first book before you turn 30? If you have some free-time on your hands nowadays this is your chance to start systematizing your thoughts and ideas about the racial problems currently plaguing the USA (or White nations in general if you’d prefer to tackle an even wider subject). Or if you aren’t up to writing a full-length book, how about a long sequential collection of the particularly concise and hard-hitting essays you are known for?
I for one would like to see many more erudite White nationalist thinkers such as yourself seriously propose (in book and/or extended essay/serial-essay format) their preferred solutions to the racial problems which are currently plaguing so many White nations — these are seriously profound and extremely complex ideas and issues which are more befitting of a book or collection of serious essays instead of just blog posts which are often entirely subsumed and mostly forgotten by the ever-expanding internet and its often fickle readers in a week or two. Now, don’t get me wrong: your blog has surely done a helluva lot to racially wake up many people (including myself) to the myriad of racial dangers and problems facing Whites, but now the more serious amongst us must truly begin to move beyond the stage of being ‘mere essayists’ and in to the deeper phase of the systematizing of the racial problems — after this we can then begin to present our proposed solutions to the racial problems dragging us down and hopefully, not too soon after that, begin to act on our preferred solutions. I know this is a very large burden to place on the lives and minds of people who are still in their 20s or 30s, people with families and jobs and homes and reputations and so on, but we racially-cognizant White Americans in particular must act within the next 10-20 years or else…we pro-White activists are the only ones standing up against the impending White semi-extinction, and if we back down or fail then may God help us all.
Nearly all of the ‘regulars’ here know all about the main racial problems — they are daily pasted on dozens if not hundreds of pro-White blogs and websites now: Black crime, Jewish perfidy, Hispanic colonization of the USA/Muslim colonization of Europe, the long-term demographic threat of the Asian diaspora in White nations, miscegenation, White birth-rates, etc etc — but not enough of us are proposing true common-sense solutions to them; too many of us just continue to dwell endlessly on the problems without ever prosposing and acting upon our agreed-upon solutions — we ruminate endlessly about the problems without looking forward to the eventual solutions we would seek to implement if we had the power and organization to do so. So, I suppose I am just wondering: what are your solutions to the Race Problem, Hunter?
In the USA, the writer-activists Grant, Stoddard, Bilbo, and many others identified the main problems faced by Whites many decades ago — now it is up to us to formulate the solutions to said problems in a rational, reasonable, and methodical manner: then we will attempt to put them in to action as groups like the A3P Party and others are currently trying to do.
The time of tarrying is rapidly drawing to a close — it is now or never, y’all: identify the problems (again, this is already been done many times over), propose the solutions and come to a general agreement about them (form a basic consensus), and finally organize and act to implement the agreed-upon solutions. The time is now or never.
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Italian-Americans like Euro who ooze hostility toward those of Northwestern European descent, those who comprise the founding stock of America, are a great example of why the 1924 Immigration Act ought to have been passed several decades earlier.
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I don’t think ‘Euro’ is anti-NW Euro at all.
He seems to just have somewhat different mannerisms in the way he goes about expressing himself.
In other words, it’s an issue of style rather than substance.
The problem is not necessarily the Yankee per-se, as attitudes constantly change and shift from generation to generation — the problem is the Jewish-British-Yankee Empire in general.
The fact is that far too many Yanks became deeply inculcated with Jewish idea(ls) during the 19th-20th Centuries for a myriad of reasons — you said so yourself with the “Judeo-Puritan” quip. They have become Judaized, they are ‘Judaizers’ as you wrote. This is not necessarily isolated to the Northern USA though — it makes perfect sense that many Brits have been deeply infected as well considering the Yanks descend from them. Maybe the long lingering residue of Jewish blood which steadily flowed in to the UK after the traitor Cromwell let them flood back in there during his time has something to do with it?
The worldwide tripartite alliance which is steadily leading the White race in to the dustbin of history is a particularly lethal combination of the international Jewish plutocracy (head managers/shadow elite), the sell-out British race-traitor imperialists (middle-managers for the Empire), and the often ignorant Yanks/Americans in general (who are the cannon-fodder and mega-consumers who do most of the grunt work in propping up the usurocratic/Judeoplutocratic British-Jewish-Yankee Empire).
The problem is not necessarily the Yankee per-se, as attitudes constantly change and shift from generation to generation — the problem is the Jewish-British-Yankee Empire in general.
The fact is that far too many Yanks became deeply inculcated with Jewish idea(ls) during the 19th-20th Centuries for a myriad of reasons — you said so yourself with the “Judeo-Puritan” quip. …
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Great points WP.
*I believe this was also the gist of what ‘Euro’ was trying to convey, MGLS.
A historic American nationalism that seeks to secure the interests of founding stock Americans would likely be more potent and have a greater chance for success than pan-Europeanism.
Doubtful. The majority of white Americans see themselves simply as white. Those that don’t identify with their particular ethnic group. Groupings like NW European, Southern European, or Eastern European are the most artificial and least popular of all among white Americans. And those that self-identify as white nationalists vastly outnumber those that self-identify as Nordicists among the internet racialist community.
99% of the intra-European ethnic animosity that I see comes from people like MGLS. It just doesn’t exist on the ground in my experience.
In reference to my above statement, the only remaining people who can likely bring down the international Jewish plutocracy are the people currently living on the inside of it, those who are in the ‘belly of the beast,’ i.e. racially-aware Whites like us in the USA and the UK (the power-bases of Jewry) who will hopefully stand up and resist sometime in the near-future — though it may seem preposterous at this point, the remaining racially nationalistic people, groups, and elements within the USA, in alliance with ethno-nationalistic parties and groups in the UK (BNP, etc), are our best hope for restoring the Western Order and saving the White race from near-extinction. Once the international Jewish plutocracy is excised from the racial body of the USA and the UK it is game over for them because they’ll have no where else to go, they’ll have no other nations to leech off of…that is why they’ll fight the coming White racial resurgence in the USA and the UK tooth and nail, maybe even with hyper-murderous Soviet-style tactics, fake revolutions, planned/intentional economic collapses, the weaponization of food and energy (as Kievsky has discussed), etc.
Once we remaining pro-White Americans and Brits are able to get the ever-meddlesome vampire-squid kike parasites off our backs, only then can we begin to restore the healthy racial, political, social, and economic order in our nations and hopefully assist in doing so elsewhere in the White world as well.
Good, sound, incisive thinking and writing there, HW. I think that a lot of the story has been told already, and the vital information is out there, but is mainly contained in earlier suppressed books. The Cult of Equality by Stuart Landry comes to mind here, if you haven’t had a chance to read it. We simply need to access and read the key works on the subject matter. White Preservatonist’s idea of a bibliographical listing of relevant works on race and history, is an excellent idea to further the dissemination of this collective knowledge.
Regarding the time frame of Anglo America’s descent into the mental sociopathy of race denial, this is something that is surely enigmatic and debatable. Essentially, White Americans have come to believe their own ‘equality’ propaganda, and this ideological racial poisoning has deep and complex roots in the spiritual and philosophical mindset of White America. Unlocking this duplicitous racial pathos is the key to understanding the ambivalent White psyche. We are stewing in our own juice; the racial aliens have only turned up the heat.
It’s important we don’t divide ourselves, as in Northeast vs. Southeast or Northwest Europeans vs. every other European, etc. We White Americans must unite, if we are to survive.
We don’t need to make the fancy Jews’ job (of dividing us) any easier.
Excellent piece Mr. Wallace.
It is encouraging to see the solidarity on the site and the inter-solidarity between OD and Amren over the “Jewery Imm” incident, although it is still very disheartening that JT continues to refuse to name the Jew. Maybe this incident will push him the “OD” way. Or maybe OD can fill the void, Amren maybe losing a following.
They are losing me.
I have been a regular reader and poster of Amren for a few years, been following this blog for a few months and have posted here a couple of times before. I recently turned a friend onto OD as well. I have become more and more disinterested with Amren, they seem to be getting more politically sensitive over there, I have never even tried to identify the Jew, but any comment it seems that may even insinuate that someone is behind our multi-cult nightmare is quickly censored. I am reading here more and more.
I was around for the Linder fiasco, and had only just learned his name a few weeks before, and am glad I caught the whole dilema that exposed him for the nut he as. Although I have been a race realist for several years, it has only been in the last half a year or so that I have seriously began my education as to the viablility of the WN movement. In my opinion to date, HW is the best authority with mainstream appeal that I have encountered within the movement. Informed, articulate, but still down to earth and realistic. His Jim Giles interview formed much of my opinion of him.
To post #38, WP, excellent post as well. I asked on the site a couple of times when were the “Jew Identifying” WNists going to organize and have a conference. I didn’t get into the analysis at all of my point of view as you did, but I can’t disagree with a word that you wrote. Well said. This movement needs to begin to physically organize and unite as the work is much and the time is short.
Where is “Antisemitica”. Tried to search it, came up with nothing.
The corporates and their enforcers, the government know that whites as consumers, will continue to consume, thus the corporates can throw whatever they like into the process of socially engineering the corporate’s consumer base. If the white people ever banded together as consumers they could place economic sanctions on the profits that the corporates take in thus establishing a political control against the many changes we have seen that we do not agree with. This could be done globally and should be. The consumer has a voice if they organize in mass. A political voice!
Aservant,
http://antisemitica.wordpress.com/
“Jewish blood which steadily flowed in to the UK after the traitor Cromwell let them flood back in there during his time ”
Basic facts concerning Oliver Cromwell and the resettlement of Jews in England
Re: Yankees
I’m guessing Travis is referring to the belt of Yankees that stretched from the Western Reserve in Ohio through the Burned Over District in New York into New England.
I always liked what Cromwell said, there would only be a Roman Catholic restoration in England over his dead body.
As far as Cromwell letting the Jews into England, or even more so giving the Jews legal status, that’s a lie!
The Jews had no legal status in England until the 19th Century during the reign of Queen Victoria.
The “Firelands” of Ohio were “reserved” for Revolutionary War veterans who had thier property “burned” by the British during the American Revolution.
The fact is that far too many Yanks became deeply inculcated with Jewish idea(ls) during the 19th-20th Centuries for a myriad of reasons — you said so yourself with the “Judeo-Puritan” quip.
Puritanism was picking up ” Jewish idea(ls)” all the way back in the 17th Century. Tikkun olam, in particualr, seemed to make the short trip across the water from Holland to East Anglia.
“I’m sick of many WNs complicating things by dragging in anti-Christianity, National Socialism, Neopaganism, obscure European intellectuals, anti-Republicanism, anti-Capitalism, Third Reich daydreaming etc.
Keep it simple but not too simple. American, Christian (at least not anti-Christian), family values– give us back our White Christian Republic! - ski”
Let me put it this way, and I’ll try to be as polite as possible: A large number of White racialists do not want to live in a White Christian Republic; I and many others would be in fact willing to fight not to. Religious beliefs ought to be kept to the private sphere, regression to the days of Christian hegemony is just as undesirable as the current situation in my opinion. (Kasimir Petrenko)
The one virtue of the present dispensation, from my purely selfish point of view, is that William Jennings Bryan and his numbskull Populists were interdicted, by international Jewry, in their movement toward the Christian theocratization of the continent.
There’s no surprise in that historic development, of course, since childish Whites seem to be able to commune in little other than one or another version of slave morality, thus requiring one or another version of alien mastery to maintain order amongst themselves.
But the world *would* have been much better off, following those days, if the Isolationists had then been allowed, by a Populist regime, to keep the country out of the Jews’ slyly-engineered World War to Save Communism.
However, that redemptive opportunity is long lost, never to be recovered - and a world-sparing remission of a metatasizing Greater Judea can no longer be effected - by erecting an insufferable Thumpers’ regime on the suffrage of a mass of delusional pro-Zionist goyim.
I’ve never seen a “Puritan” church. I don’t think there is such a thing as a “Puritan” church. I have seen the “United Church of Christ”. Is that who you are refering too? Be a little more specific. Or are you refering to Protestant churches that have adopted all, or most of the “universalist” ideas & trappings of the Roman Catholics?
Trainspotter:
I have posted almost that exact line of reasoning (we are all equal except blacks are better at sports) to highlight the inherent BS in the accepted standard explanations on race at a number of big “Conservative” boards. I know it is making people stop and scratch their heads. I few have said things like: “Woah, I don’t want to go there..”, admitting that even among nominal ‘conservatives’ there are some liberal axioms that may not be questioned.
I think it is a very productive line of argument to make in discussion.
I’m always amused by WNs who rail against Jewry then indicate that they would just as readily rail against an indigenous power structure. As if their railing against an indigenous elite would be any less impotent than it is against the alien elite. This world belongs to those most willing to organize, sacrifice, mentor, and obey. To quote Idiocracy: lead, follow, or get out of the way.
There is still time for redemption, NeoNietzsche. You, like so many throughout history, have mistaken the leveraged power for the real power. You fail to realize that power so easily acquired is as easily lost. The only thing stopping the redemption is the lack of a suitable redeemer. There’s still time.
There is still time for redemption, NeoNietzsche. You, like so many throughout history, have mistaken the leveraged power for the real power. You fail to realize that power so easily acquired is as easily lost.
As it is in driving a herd to market (or off a cliff). The “real power,” which the few attendant cowboys have “leveraged,” is indeed in the herd, and the cowboys’ power is, indeed, easily “lost” to a disorderly and destructive stampede.
So, in which direction, in other than time-honored service to The Whore and Jewry, in foreign lands, would *you* like to stampede the goyim, “while there’s still time”?
[BTW, our "Redeemer" has already come and gone - but it takes a lot of hard-won self-education, as opposed to effeminately-acquired faith, to recognize and appreciate that with which we were graced.]
NeoNietzsche,
I can’t speak for any nation other than my own, the White American nation. Our redeemer died 110 days before Nietzsche was born and his kingdom is poised to cast out the Whores and the Antichrists 110 years after his death. This superman, whose vision and will surpassed Nietzsche’s most feverish tributes, built a machine powerful enough to withstand both our traditional enemies and our modern temptations alike, then laid out a clear path to reclaiming our nation through explicit prophetic instruction.
Just sayin’.
Wiki,
1) Are you a Mormon?
2) Your remark about Nietzsche is symptomatic of a sustenance of the principled inattention to which you earlier made reference.
3) If #1 is true, you’ve got to be kidding.
I hope.
NeoNietzsche - the Frankurt School. It IS the Jews. Snap out of it.
Uuuurgh. “Frankfurt” (Proof before Submit, Denise!!!!!!!!!!!!!11)
I’m not kidding and yes I am; but in a somewhat atypical way that makes it necessary to take the sacrament through gritted teeth. Now that you know I’m not joking, you can explain how I’m being absurd in clear and direct terms. Unless I’ve evoked a tirade about my relative inferiority at Nietzschean exegesis, which I would rather forfeit.
Tom Watson - Cromwell let The Jew back in.
Always a mistake.
ALWAYS.
Haven’t we, of all people, learned this lesson yet?
NeoNietzsche - the Frankfurt School. It IS the Jews. Snap out of it. (Denise)
Denise - the Bauhaus School. It IS the Jews. Snap out of it. (NN)
[WTF are you talking about?]
Now that you know I’m not joking, you can explain how I’m being absurd in clear and direct terms. (Wiki)
How many divisions have the Mormons?
Your clear and direct answer, please.
@ 67 Denise
Baloney. That’s antique Roman Catholic propaganda. Cromwell had bigger fsh to fry, like preventing a Roman Catholic restoration to the throne of England, or a Roman Catholic invasion of England.
Just because some Irish Roman Catholic character loosely affiliated with Notre Dame says it, doesn’t make it true. LOL.
Unless I’ve evoked a tirade about my relative inferiority at Nietzschean exegesis, which I would rather forfeit.
In lieu of a tirade, let’s just smack your little bottom for speaking whereof you do not know in regard to Nietzsche.
All this Yankee bashing keeps overlooking the turn towards racialism that happened among New England descended intellectuals in the late 19th Century. There isn’t an unbroken line of race treason from abolitionism to the 60’s when the remnants of the WASP upper class embraced radicalism. In between, there was a long period when most the of descendants of the Puritans were explicitly pro-white.
In the wake of the Civil War, with the abuses of Negroes in power, and then with the migration of Negros to the North, Northern racial attitudes became strongly anti-black. The North allowed the South to reassert white supremacy during that period. Northern WASP elites became obsessed with race and their own racial identity and destiny. These sentiments were nearly universal for decades.
American Renaissance had some good articles about the American racialist movement back in the 90’s. You could probably find them online if you look.
What finally did white racial consciousness in was the Jewish lead left, working through the New Deal with the strong support of Southern Whites. Southern Whites also helped the Jews by overwhelmingly supporting our involvement in the two World Wars, while many Northern Whites were opposed. The South was the only part of the country where the America First movement, which essentially believed the same things as modern white nationalists, could not gain significant support.
What finally did white racial consciousness in was the Jewish lead left, working through the New Deal with the strong support of Southern Whites. Southern Whites also helped the Jews by overwhelmingly supporting our involvement in the two World Wars, while many Northern Whites were opposed. The South was the only part of the country where the America First movement, which essentially believed the same things as modern white nationalists, could not gain significant support.
Yup, that’s us White folk in the Bible Belt - strong and stupid, at yo service.
Please - tell us what we’uns can do next for God’s Chilin’ !
NeoNietzschean,
I actually feature a fat White ass, one which will probably continue abusing your uncle’s legacy.
The LDS movement has six major surviving factions, all but two of which have either been entirely subverted or have become entirely defunct. Those two are the LDS and the FLDS churches. One’s a bit more subverted and one’s a bit more defunct, but neither are entirely subverted or defunct.
Point?
AServant - JT has sorta kinda Named the Jew, albeit in oblique and gentlemanly ways. He’s admitted that they are not White.
Now think about his geographic location. He is literally holed up, in close proximity, to one of the most toxic Jew Spots on Earth - Tel Aviv West, aka DC.
I regard Amren as a wonderful way to introduce WN to the queasy, the querrulous, and the neophyte. All things, in their season……American Renaissance is not as SKEERY as other sources.
I just came out as WN to a TP member. I had been acclimating her for months. AR is a very nice place to start folks like her. I told her about this Blog, a few others, and SF. I told her to check out Newslinks, on SF - but I warned her that reading through the sentiments on that site, for an introductory experience, are akin to a non-swimmer jumping into the Atlantic Ocean, during a hurricane.
AR serves it’s purpose nicely.
@70
If not Cromwell, who should be held responsible for illegally undermining the expulsion edict of Edward I (http://www.heretical.com/British/jews1290.html) and flooding Albion with Jews?
Please explain Cromwell’s relationship with Menasseh Ben Israel, which has been very well documented. Here are a couple “mainstream” (and distinctly non-Catholic) references to it:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/England.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menasseh_Ben_Israel
An excerpt from the Wiki link is extraordinarily frank in its discussion of the issue. Boiled down into plain English, it frankly asserts: 1) Cromwell is responsible for undermining the (time-honoured and hugely popular) edict of expulsion. 2) He did this because the Jews bought him, and not because of any serious ideological conviction:
“In 1644, Menasseh met Antonio de Montesinos, who convinced him that the South America Andes’ Indians were the descendants of the lost ten tribes of Israel. This supposed discovery gave a new impulse to Menasseh’s Messianic hopes. But he was convinced that the Messianic age needed as its certain precursor the settlement of Jews in all parts of the known world. Filled with this idea, he turned his attention to England, whence the Jews had been expelled since 1290. He found much Christian support in England. During the Commonwealth the question of the readmission of the Jews was often mooted under the growing desire for religious liberty. Besides this, Messianic and other mystic hopes were current in England. In 1650, there appeared an English version of the Hope of Israel, a tract which deeply impressed public opinion. Oliver Cromwell had been moved to sympathy with the Jewish cause partly by his tolerant leanings, but chiefly because he foresaw the importance for English commerce of the presence of the Jewish merchant princes, some of whom had already found their way to London. At this juncture, Jews received full rights in the colony of Surinam, which had been English since 1650.
In 1655, Menasseh arrived in London. During his absence, the Amsterdam rabbis excommunicated his student, Spinoza. One of his first acts on reaching London was the issue of his Humble Addresses to the Lord Protector, but its effect was weakened by the issue of William Prynne’s able, but unfair Short Demurrer. Cromwell summoned the Whitehall Conference in December of the same year. Some of the most notable statesmen, lawyers, and theologians of the day were summoned to this conference. The chief practical result was the declaration of judges Glynne and Steele that “there was no law which forbade the Jews’ return to England.” Though nothing was done to regularize the position of the Jews, the door was opened to their gradual return. John Evelyn was able to enter in his diary under the date Dec. 14, 1655, “Now were the Jews admitted.” But the attack on the Jews by Prynne and others could not go unanswered. Menasseh replied in the finest of his works, Vindiciae judaeorum (1656).”
Tom Watson - how on EARTH can you say, “Abalone” to me?
Cromwell let the Hebes back IN, to England.
Cod it out.
Are you in the UK?
Thanks, Robert! You’ve saved me the trouble of actually citing sources.
ATBOTL,
The South was unphased by the Second World War.
“The South was unphased by the Second World War.”
Yeah, up until the point that it wasn’t.
Kasimir Petrenko:
I’m not talking about theocracy, forced conversions or burning at the stake; White Christian Republic means a White Republic with a Christian majority, but also with freedom of religion and equal legal rights for non-Christians.
America has a tradition of religious freedom I don’t want to destroy, but it also has always had a Christian majority and it seems will continue to have a Christian majority into the near future.
Denise,
Thanks for the thoughts. I understand JT’s position for why he doesn’t name the Jew as it would immediately end his partial mainstream exposure, but I think in the long run if he keeps at it, it will be the death of him. I can’t tell you exactly when, but I remember reading sometime ago an essay written by him on the site titled, “Jews Alright by Me”, which is the same groveling at their feet that always ends with complete Jew domination that has been happening since the second World War at least. That won’t do.
I would like to hear Hunter’s thoughts on how and when some sort of physical organizing of the movement could begin, specifically, what conditions are impiding the movement now from this happening, and what conditions would need to present themselves for facilation of organization.
Robert,
Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Read the information at the link I posted above. Your own “Jewish Virtual Library” link notes:“Historians disagree as to the exact date of the official readmission of Jews to England as well as to whether or not it was Oliver Cromwell who granted it.”
Under Cromwell, a total of “six Jew families” settled in England. After Charles II assumed power, that number increased by an order of magnitude.
unfazed, if u pleeze
In his discussion the following paper might be of interest; even though it was written by a Jew it is mostly factual: “This Green and Pleasant Land: Britain and the Jews” — there is a section (#11) entitled “Cromwell and the Readmission” - http://www.yale.edu/yiisa/workingpaper/lappin/Shalom%20Lappin%20YIISA%20Working%20Paper.pdf
The LDS movement has six major surviving factions, all but two of which have either been entirely subverted or have become entirely defunct. Those two are the LDS and the FLDS churches. One’s a bit more subverted and one’s a bit more defunct, but neither are entirely subverted or defunct. (Wiki)
Point?
LOL. It took me a while, amidst some puzzlement as to the pretext for your remark, to realize that you evidently have never heard of Stalin’s famous question as to the Pope’s assets and to which I alluded in the previous comment with my own clear and direct question to the same “point”:
“How many divisions have the Mormons?”
n/a,
I am aware that Wikipedia is unreliable insofar as anyone can edit it; however, the excerpt I pasted with regard to Cromwell/readmission is under-girded by an array of legitimate academic citations.
While you may feel the issue is in serious dispute, that does not appear to me to be accurate. One very seldomly encounters unanimous consensus on anything among contentious self-styled “experts,” inside the academy or otherwise, but Cromwell’s predilection for Jews, and the subversively treasonous actions he undertook on their behalf, appears to me to be a well-established fact. The information I pasted is congruous with my understanding of European history, about which I like to think I know a thing or two.
I am open to honest debate on the subject, but it is disingenuous to claim that these well-founded charges against Cromwell are purely the byproduct of some Catholic propaganda cooked up by a nutter at Notre Dame, as post #70 asserts.
@ 76 Robert Campbell
That’s Jew bullshit from Jew sources. There was no legal or political status given to the Jews by Cromwell.
The Jews had no political or legal status in England until the reign of Queen Victoria.
Tom,
Thank you. Your last comment sheds an entirely different light on the matter. I am in awe of your erudition and I can provide no substantive criticism of your iron-clad methodology.
NeoNietzsche,
If you could suffer my ignorance more patiently, I would appreciate it. You meant divisions as in military divisions, not as in factions. No specific branch of the LDS movement is militarily active at the moment, but the command and control structures are in place.
…a machine powerful enough to withstand both our traditional enemies and our modern temptations alike, then laid out a clear path to reclaiming our nation through explicit prophetic instruction.
…
No specific branch of the LDS movement is militarily active at the moment, but the command and control structures are in place.
Tell us more of of our deliverance in prospect.
When will the ranks of these skeletal formations be filled with LDS reservists? And I again ask, “how many divisions have the Mormons (in prospect)?” Enough to confront the GJ military that imposes social reconstruction by force, at the command of persons not subject to the public’s control?
If you could suffer my ignorance more patiently, I would appreciate it.
I’m not sure how to accommodate you, since you fail to try my patience - you succeed, rather, at amusing me.
But I *will* try to restrain my evident amusement at further exhibitions.
You will assist me, perhaps, by acquiring the gravitas that a grasp of Nietzsche confers. I prescribe a thorough acquaintance with the contents of “superhuman” and an introductory reading of the Master himself, the First Essay of GM, the self-described “touchstone” of his philosophy .
Otherwise, you remain intellectually provincial, and liable to the amusement of the more urbane.
The Jews had no political or legal status in England until the reign of Queen Victoria.
Which is, of course, entirely irrelevant to the discussion. The point is that Cromwell indiscriminately allowed Jewish settlement in Britain. Whether they were “legal” or “illegal” immigrants is beside the point. They were in Britain because of Cromwell’s actions.
I am aware that Wikipedia is unreliable insofar as anyone can edit it; however, the excerpt I pasted with regard to Cromwell/readmission is under-girded by an array of legitimate academic citations.
While you may feel the issue is in serious dispute, that does not appear to me to be accurate. One very seldomly encounters unanimous consensus on anything among contentious self-styled “experts,” inside the academy or otherwise, but Cromwell’s predilection for Jews, and the subversively treasonous actions he undertook on their behalf, appears to me to be a well-established fact.
I’m amazed that anyone here could even conceive of questioning this fact.
NeoNietzsche,
The relevant question is not, “how many divisions have the Mormons”, but rather “how many wives have the Mormons”. For in the fullness of time, the culture of fertility (Christianity) must inherit North America, as it is demographically more adaptive than infertile ones (such as Nietzschianism). As for the deliverance: although you would no doubt argue that our Democracy is an illusion, it is the number of warm bodies that vote which decide elections. The socialist, multicult, insolvent regime that lies decades in the future will be antithetical to those very same White Christians, great numbers of whom will not want to be a part of such, and can be expected to seek a separation. The core of the military/police complex will also be formed of White Christians, who can not be expected to carry out the authoritarian measures that would be needed to prevent secession.
PS. Your tone reminds me of Denethor in Lord of the Rings, scoffing at the thought there was any hope.
Mormons fuck with conviction, I see little that Nietzsche or his latter day acolyte could find flaw in.
NeoNietzsche,
We’ve been through this before. I’ve read Nietzsche extensively, but read him incorrectly.
I can’t really tell you exactly how I’m going to rescue Western Civilization right out here in this open forum. You should be ashamed of yourself for even asking like that, risking my spilling the beans for the world to see and plan for.
ATBOTL
The South was the only part of the country where the America First movement, which essentially believed the same things as modern white nationalists, could not gain significant support.
Not much has changed. The Ron Paul movement which opposed our recent wars for Israel was also weakest in the south.
Re. post #72 & #97 and the ambivalent White South, you guys are right on. The short sightedness of the Whites in this region, as well as in the Midwest (and the so-called red state heartland), is instructive, and revealing. The left coast and New England are different enigmas. How in the hell do we save these people from themselves??
“Save” them from their own fallacies, delusions and self-destructive behavior, if that’s possible, Joe. By the way, I think that the first synagogue in N. America was at Newport, R.I., the center of the Jewish run Negro slave & shipping trade. After Britain received the exclusive slave Asiento in 1713, Cromwell’s “friends” and mentors cashed in big time.
Robert and Ben,
Again, read the information I have presented: there were (apparently hundreds of) crypto-Jews in England before Cromwell; the increase in the Jewish population of England under Cromwell amounted to a total of about six families; the increase in the Jewish population after Charles II returned to power was much greater.
As the paper White Preservationist links to puts it:
According to a popular account of the readmission, the Puritan revolution produced a more favourable
attitude towards Jews, and in 1656 Cromwell extended an invitation to Dutch Jews to settle in England. In
fact, no such invitation was issued, and the recognition of the right of Jews to live in the country was not
achieved through legislation or executive decree.20
Misinformation has surrounded Cromwell’s policies on the Jews since the time period in question. Royalists sought to benefit by spreading rumors of Jewish influence, and Amsterdam Jews deluded themselves that Menasseh ben Israel’s mission was having the desired effect. But it did not, and Amsterdam Jews ultimately threw their support behind the Royalists and were rewarded for their support after Charles II assumed the throne.
Wiki,
The relevant question is not, “how many divisions have the Mormons”, but rather “how many wives have the Mormons”.
For in the fullness of time, the culture of fertility (Christianity) must inherit North America, as it is demographically more adaptive than infertile ones (such as Nietzschianism).
As I see it, you simply enrich the Cowboys thus by adding cattle to their stockyard. And since the Cowboys’ power is “leveraged,” they need increase their own numbers but minimally, and can resort to shabbaz goyim where their own fruit does not suffice. Also note that nuclear weapons make it possible to exterminate large and defenceless populations under false pretenses and with relative celerity and economy, should they prove contumacious in their captivity.
As for the deliverance: although you would no doubt argue that our Democracy is an illusion, it is the number of warm bodies that vote which decide elections.
As between candidates presented by, and in the service of, the Oligarchy. Candidates who have and will employ troops to enforce the social reconstructionist agenda of their unelected masters. This is the history and politico-economic logic of the situation that makes your suggestion that we need more baby factories at work ludicrous. You do not have the time to turn out your masses of pageant judges, even given a positive prospect for such a path to power, and you are thus not being helpful with my self-restraint.
I can’t really tell you exactly how I’m going to rescue Western Civilization right out here in this open forum. You should be ashamed of yourself for even asking like that, risking my spilling the beans for the world to see and plan for.
You seemed to be hinting at the prospect of military formations to come, in concession of my point about the necessity therefor. But do forgive me for eliciting your premature exposure of Operation Evening Lands in its infancy.
“By the mid 17th century, England had been without Jews (apart from a few infiltrators posing as Gentiles) for over 350 years, since their banishment by good King Edward I in 1290. This had been inspired by their persistent wrongdoing, including extortionate money-lending and clipping the gold and silver coinage. The banishment had been greeted with universal rejoicing by the thankful English people.
Cromwell wanted to accede to Jewish appeals for readmission, spiced with financial assistance for his cause, but was sensitive to public opposition to the idea, plentifully shown during an assembly to discuss the subject which he convened. So he abstained from any formal revocation of the banishment, and instead allowed Jews to enter the country on the sly, contrary to the law; and this has remained the position up to today, various parliamentary measures in the past 200 years giving recognition to this return by stealth without ever formally repealing the expulsion.
From a 1992 issue of Gothic Ripples, published by Colin Jordan
We’ve been through this before. I’ve read Nietzsche extensively, but read him incorrectly.
Then read the Black Column at “superhuman,” as it pertains.
The socialist, multicult, insolvent regime that lies decades in the future will be antithetical to those very same White Christians, great numbers of whom will not want to be a part of such, and can be expected to seek a separation. The core of the military/police complex will also be formed of White Christians, who can not be expected to carry out the authoritarian measures that would be needed to prevent secession.
You’ve forgotten to take account of disruptive and ultimately dominant barbarian intrusion, in this replay of the Fall of the Roman Empire. The Mormons are not the only ones to have thought of keeping long-term operational plans a secret.
“I regard Amren as a wonderful way to introduce WN to the queasy, the querrulous, and the neophyte. All things, in their season……American Renaissance is not as SKEERY as other sources. ”
Good job!
Amren is the best introductory and intermediate venue! If someone doesn’t care about Racial Issues in the first place, why on Earth would they ever begin to care about the Jewish Question?
Besides Taylor has pointed out the HARD TRUTH that it is indeed Whites own inherent ‘liberalism’ that has led us down this path. (He even recently mentioned this on his interview with Jim Giles, go back and listen to it.) Blacks, Mestizos, Jews, are just symptoms of degeneration. A healthy organic community would have booted these undesirables out long ago. Well we still have a chance with White Nationalism!
Oops,
Comments #101 and #104 mistakenly address Wiki as though he were the author of #94, authored by Andrew.
Sorry.
Logic and history of political economy:
When political entities reach the imperial stage of their evolution, their executive power is no longer, if it ever was, subject to authentic general popular election. Administrative unity and continuity becomes the paramount concern of such a political entity, having achieved its unity through constant and debilitating resort to war, and this arrangement is not consistent with having to measure and appeal to fractious public sentiment that lends itself to further instances of civil and foreign conflict. (Secessionists take note)
Doubtful. The majority of white Americans see themselves simply as white. Those that don’t identify with their particular ethnic group. Groupings like NW European, Southern European, or Eastern European are the most artificial and least popular of all among white Americans.
Yes, of course most white Americans see themselves as white and not as as “NW European.” However, this raises the question of what white Americans consider to be “white.” Most white Americans are of Northern European descent and do not live around large numbers of Southern Europeans, who are concentrated in the Northeast and a few other areas.
There is a “White American” ethnic group, which consists of the descendants of the colonists and the Northern European derived people who have assimilated into the white American stock. The Southern European ethnics are not part of this stock; both they and NW European descended Americans see them as distinct.
And those that self-identify as white nationalists vastly outnumber those that self-identify as Nordicists among the internet racialist community.
And what have the “pan-Aryan” white nationalists accomplished? The last successful racialist movement in this country was one of founding stock Americans seeking to safeguard their interests. The 1924 Immigration Act favored immigration from Northwestern Europe.
99% of the intra-European ethnic animosity that I see comes from people like MGLS.
This is typical. Hostile European ethnics like Euro spew venom toward “WASPs,” “Yankees,” and “Puritans,” and that is not seen as having anything to do with ethnic conflict. Then a “Nordicist” like me responds, and “Nordicists” get blamed for intra-European ethnic animosity.
If the pan-European coalition is so brittle that it can only be maintained by silencing the “Nordicists,” this suggests pan-Europeanism might not be the best strategy.
“Various Jews made begging petitions to Oliver Cromwell to get him to revoke the Edict of Expulsion; but Cromwell, being only a commoner, could not revoke a royal edict and knew this. In February 1658 Cromwell is said to have made an oral commitment to Antonio Fernandes Cavajal, the leader of the Jews (buried under the name of Abraham in the Jews’ cemetery, London 1659), assuring his protection. This was in defiance of the recommendations of the council that the Jews should only be permitted the standing of ordinary aliens. This is the situation today.” — lecture by Lucien Wolf to the Jews College Literary Society in 1877.
” Manasseh [ben Israel] returned to Holland in October 1657, deeply distressed at what he considered to be the failure of his mission. Cromwell remained on friendly terms with him and granted him a pension of £100 a year. Although Edward I’s edict of expulsion was not formally revoked as Manasseh had hoped, the resumption of Jewish worship achieved the same practical result. The edict has actually not been revoked to this day.” — Joan Comay,Who’s Who in Jewish History After the Period of the Old Testament, 1974.
[on Amren avoiding the JQ]
If someone doesn’t care about Racial Issues in the first place, why on Earth would they ever begin to care about the Jewish Question?
Sorry, but this doesn’t work as a law for me. I was pretty much raised a race-realist but I became an ethnopatriot because of the JQ. Maybe this is the exception that proves the rule, but I still think it’s just one way to skin a cat.
I think this way because no other group is as malfeasant as Jews. A big problem getting whites to behave sensibly is that they’re convinced they aren’t supposed to believe in race or its importance, right? Well, it’s hard to maintain the illusion that something has no value when you catch someone in your backyard trying to destroy or steal it. Blacks don’t do this. Jews do. Point out someone trying to destroy something and you prove not only that he’s your enemy, but that the something in question has value. Suddenly you start caring about that something, thinking and learning about its value, etc.
I think JT’s policy is right for JT and Amren (and I think there’s room for others beneath the umbrella of “gateway ethnocentrism”). I don’t think the chain of causation (care about race>notice the Jews) is axiomatic.
@Ben
There was NO law passed during Cromwell’s time allowing the Jews into England. That’s antique papist propaganda. The Jews had no legal or political standing in England until the time of Queen Victoria. Understand. That’s over 200 years after Cromwell!
109 Euro
The Jews make it up as they go along. LOL. For whatever reason.
Also note that nuclear weapons make it possible to exterminate large and defenceless populations under false pretenses and with relative celerity and economy, should they prove contumacious in their captivity. (NN)
Organized Jewry is also prone to wantonly killing off masses of people who oppose them if it suits them in the wars, revolutions, famines, and so on which they foment: see history of Europe and the USSR during the 20th Century, Israel’s endless wars, America’s 21st Century wars in the Middle East for Jewry and Israel, etc etc. (WP)
Yes, let us bring many more White babies into this world.
NeoNietzsche,
The less White people there are in the future, the more likely anti-White genocide is to occur.
99% of the important Genocides in history have been directed against small minorities, such as the Armenians in Turkey, the Whites in Zimbabwe, the Jews in Germany, the Ukrainians in the Soviet Union, the Afrikaaners in South Africa, etc.
What are you, some kind of goddamned fatalist?
MGLS writes:
Svigor writes:
The best strategy for everyone in the coalition is to direct their attention and exertions against those who are trying to destroy each and every part of the coalition.
As an Anglo-Saxon who didn’t much like Germans once said, “We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.”
Euro,
Thanks for post #102. I was thinking of that essay by Jordan but couldn’t remember where it was. Here is the link for the gallery:
http://www.heretical.com/British/jewlegal.html
The less White people there are in the future, the more likely anti-White genocide is to occur.
You are sadly mistaken. You will not fuck your way to racial salvation.
The Jew is the latest illustration of the Iron Law and the Rightly Understood Interest of a qualitatively superior minority in mastering an inferior, slavish majority.
If the stupid goyim do not grow up and understand *how and why* they have been mastered and where their true peril lies, they will perish from the Earth, no matter their numbers.
What are you, some kind of goddamned fatalist?
I’m an actions-have-consequences kind of guy.
“If the stupid goyim do not grow up and understand *how and why* they have been mastered and where their true peril lies, they will perish from the Earth, no matter their numbers.”
That doesn’t contradict what I said.
There’s a certain numerical limit beyond which Whites waking up won’t do them any good, and the further off in time that numerical limit is, the greater the probability that Whites will wake up before it is too late.
It’s like if you were a drug addict and you got cancer, would you take the attitude that there would be no use getting treatment for the cancer because the drug addiction will just kill you anyway?
That would be profoundly stupid, as getting treatment for the cancer will buy you time, time that greatly increases the chances that you’ll get over the addiction.
In the same way getting treatment for terminally low birthrates buys Whites time, time that greatly increases the chances that we’ll get over our addiction to a head in the sand attitude.
Also, Reproduction buys the White Race precious time to experience useful biological and cultural evolution that will make it far more likely that Whites will take control of their own destiny once more.
How hard is that to understand?
“I’m an actions-have-consequences kind of guy.”
Actions have consequences, we just don’t know for sure what they are yet.
That doesn’t contradict what I said.
It does - in that the implication of your statement is that *greater* numbers *lessen* the possibility of genocide (under any reasonable projection of future numbers more or less)
There’s a certain [lower] numerical limit beyond which Whites waking up won’t do them any good,…
A limit so removed from potential as to be absurd for other than academic exercise. What is the percentage of the population of our master class?
…and the further off in time that numerical limit is, the greater the probability that Whites will wake up before it is too late.
The two developments are, to the contrary, inversely related. The more quickly a peril approaches, the more noticeable and motivational it is. Boiled Toad principle.
It’s like if you were a drug addict and you got cancer, would you take the attitude that there would be no use getting treatment for the cancer because the drug addiction will just kill you anyway?
I do not find the analogy apt.
That would be profoundly stupid, as getting treatment for the cancer will buy you time, time that greatly increases the chances that you’ll get over the addiction.
To adopt your analogy - we do not have, and are not at risk of, “cancer”. There are more than enough Whites on the continent to assure that the risks of small minority status and consequent genocide are minimal to non-existent before other peril sees to our elimination. Consult “superhuman,” as it pertains, on the point.
The challenge faced is one of quality - not quantity. We do not live in an authentic democracy that would allow greater numbers of Nationalists to prevail in an electoral contest, as in the good old days of Weimar. We cannot raise barbarians to be equipped with home-made weapons in armed masses hoping to prevail in combat, a’la Herman the German in the Teutoburger Wald.
Also, Reproduction buys the White Race precious time to experience useful biological and cultural evolution that will make it far more likely that Whites will take control of their own destiny once more.
The contrary development seems far more likely.
How hard is that to understand?
Very easy to understand - but not very credible.
“I’m an actions-have-consequences kind of guy.”
Actions have consequences, we just don’t know for sure what they are yet.
“For sure”?
No, we don’t know “for sure”.
But we have reasonable expectations based upon a sense of probable future developments derived from the patterns of the past. Such is science - as opposed to faith and hope.
NeoNietzsche writes:
“…The Jew is the latest illustration of the Iron Law and the Rightly Understood Interest of a qualitatively superior minority in mastering an inferior, slavish majority.
If the stupid goyim do not grow up and understand *how and why* they have been mastered and where their true peril lies, they will perish from the Earth, no matter their numbers…”
This is the most important comment on the entire thread.
Neo succinctly and clearly states exactly what has happened to us–our culture, media, government and K-12 educational system have been hijacked and conquered by a tiny minority who hide among us in plain sight and work only in their own interests, not ours. Our numbers do not matter–understanding, followed by action are what matters if we are to survive as a people and wrest our country away from ZOG–although at this point I feel it is far too late.
They’ve conquered us to the point where we even send our precious young sons 9,000 nautical miles away to fight their wars, to protect their people, in their interests, not our own. Meanwhile, their sons sit in seats at Harvard and Princeton–places that have locked out our own White sons–while your sons are sent home in body bags.
The Internet is our best defense–it is no wonder the hostile elites are hell-bent on censoring it, it is our only source of non-statist, non-controlled news.
It is as important as the Printing Press, perhaps as important as the Written Word itself.
The very best, most informative source I have ever read on the ZOG stranglehold on the US and how it came to be is Kevin MacDonald’s The Culture of Critique–downloadable for free:
http://tinyurl.com/y8hnh6y
The importance of this books cannot be underestimated.
Tell everyone you know and care about–it is easy to overcome their limp-wristed arguments with non-refutable, hard facts. Oh–and tell those you care about to start stocking up on supplies such as food, potable water, fuel, anything they might need for at least three months (some say a year!) when the food riots start up after the economy collapses (as planned).
Bon
NeoNietzsche
Also note that nuclear weapons make it possible to exterminate large and defenceless populations under false pretenses and with relative celerity and economy, should they prove contumacious in their captivity.
Jews don’t have the courage to use nukes to exterminate whites. That would be far too dangerous. There’s always a chance that one of the remaining white majority nations might strike Israel in retaliation. Jews are audacious in their evil but they’re sneak thieves, bold, open violence is anathema to the tribe of rats. And to nuke millions of whites would create risks even beyond revenge, it would poison the earth.
So, contra NeoNietzsche, having a large, difficult to exterminate white population is effective insurance against genocide.
“A limit so removed from potential as to be absurd for other than academic exercise.”
It’s a question of relative numbers. Look at South Africa! Their extinction isn’t nearly inevitable due to purely numerical factors, but rather because their numbers are too low in the context of how many racial enemies they have surrounding them.
“The two developments are, to the contrary, inversely related. The more quickly a peril approaches, the more noticeable and motivational it is. Boiled Toad principle.”
While there’s some merit to that view, you’re ignoring principles from probability like the law of large numbers.
There has been a great deal of flux in the degree of Ethnocentrism exhibited by Whites over the last 200 years, much of it being random in nature, and even now there’s flux that is under random influence. And more importantly, the non-random influences on White Ethnocentrism exhibits a great deal of unpredictable variability.
It the same way that there’s more of a chance of higher order intelligence evolving over the course of 100 million years, as opposed to 50 million years, there’s a greater chance that Whites will evolve the critical degree of Ethnocentrism required for survival over the course of 100 years of being viable as anything other than a powerless and despised minority on the North American Continent, as opposed to only 50 years.
“The challenge faced is one of quality - not quantity. We do not live in an authentic democracy that would allow greater numbers of Nationalists to prevail in an electoral contest, as in the good old days of Weimar. We cannot raise barbarians to be equipped with home-made weapons in armed masses hoping to prevail in combat, a’la Herman the German in the Teutoburger Wald.”
The weapons wouldn’t have to be homemade, and given the general trend of the US Government weakening, I think the possibility of good old fashioned Racially Motivated war of Secession, where greater number of Whites will lead to a greater chance of victory for our side, is FAR greater than you seem to think.
Don’t forget that we have a common interest with Osama Bin Laden and his yet unnamed successors: That the Anti-White and Anti-Arab American Government be wiped off the face of the earth.
A lot of the Anti-Government heavy lifting, bloodshed-wise, will be bourne by Muslims seeking to destroy their enemy in his own house.
Ever read the Turner Diaries? In real life the protagonists wouldn’t have to be White, so long as they shared the same enemy and the same general motive.
“Also, Reproduction buys the White Race precious time to experience useful biological and cultural evolution that will make it far more likely that Whites will take control of their own destiny once more.
The contrary development seems far more likely.”
Speaking to the issue of Biological Evolution at least, you are entirely mistaken.
Just read these two articles, where I show that the More Ethnocentric States and Most Ethnocentric Major Religion in America are both correlated with higher White Fertility Rates!
http://statsaholic.blogspot.com/2010/01/white-ethnocentrism-and-white-fertility.html
http://theoccidentalobserver.net/tooblog/?p=448
Anyway, if you want to argue that there are things more important than White reproduction, like the cultivation of White Supermen who can lead their brothers to victory, go ahead and be my guest.
Just don’t argue that Reproduction isn’t important, as such a view defies both logic and common sense.
Hey Nietzsche (I mean you, Neo, your namesake is not here to speak on his own behalf, so I suppose it is your task to speak for him consistent with what is apparently your self assigned role), just what system of rule would you implement that you envision would effect the outcomes necessary to accomplish the ends you desire?
There’s always a chance that one of the remaining white majority nations might strike Israel in retaliation.
Which of these, or the victim itself, has struck Israel in retaliation for the WTC demolitions?
Another thought: when Jewry becomes involved in Messianic expectations, as in reducing the goyische kingdoms to rubble in preparation for His Coming, I suspect they worry little about “poisoning the Earth”.
So, contra NeoNietzsche, having a large, difficult to exterminate white population is effective insurance against genocide.
You beg your question - but if we look past that little dummheit, we see your predictable resort to a lower-class perspective on the problem, i.e., out-birth ‘em rather than out-think ‘em. Turn out more gullible little goyim with which to distract and enslave the moronic masses with child care and child support (to the extent that one attends to such things in the trailer park).
And I now sit here amused that the thought seems to be that “hell, they can kill millions of us and there’ll still be millions of us left for killin’ when they get back around to it. And when they get back around to it, our wimins will have dropped even more of us on the ground - more than they can kill at one time - kinda like the way them rats survive as a race.”
“Turn out more gullible little goyim with which to distract and enslave the moronic masses with child care and child support (to the extent that one attends to such things in the trailer park).”
Neo, did you do us all the favor to deign to pass on your own exalted genes, or did that too greatly distract you from the superhuman task of single-handedly saving the race?
Hey Nietzsche (I mean you, Neo, your namesake is not here to speak on his own behalf, so I suppose it is your task to speak for him consistent with what is apparently your self assigned role), just what system of rule would you implement that you envision would effect the outcomes necessary to accomplish the ends you desire?
Military government - since you inquire about the “system”.
But, as the Populist experience of early last century shows, the *agenda* of the personnel involved is even more important than the *form* of the government employed.
Neo, did you do us all the favor to deign to pass on your own exalted genes, or did that too greatly distract you from the superhuman task of single-handedly saving the race?
Having that nerve struck seems to have scrambled your grammar and phrasing, Cap’n - but I think I get your point.
My mother had a difficulty that she passed to one of my brothers, and he to one of my nieces. I have acted responsibly in this regard.
“Military government”
I can dig it.
“the *agenda* of the personnel involved is even more important than the *form* of the government employed.”
I can dig it, there must by a why in addition to a how.
“Having that nerve struck seems to have scrambled your grammar and phrasing,”
Ah yes: “Neo, did you do us all the favor to deign to pass on your own exalted genes, or [would doing that have] too greatly distract you from the superhuman task of single-handedly saving the race[, which is why you did not]?”
It’s a question of relative numbers. Look at South Africa! Their extinction isn’t nearly inevitable due to purely numerical factors, but rather because their numbers are too low in the context of how many racial enemies they have surrounding them.
You confuse the discussion by failing to specify your proxies. If you are prepared to survive, racially, mainly by having too many Whites to wipe out completely, a South African White extinction doesn’t matter - many more Whites will survive elsewhere and you have succeeded, tactically and strategically.
If you wish to use S.A. whites as a proxy for Whites globally, in making your point, you fail to take account of the radically differing state of the States involved and the global/local distribution of armed force.
If you wish to use S.A. whites as an instructive proxy for Greater Judean whites, in particular, I again say that other peril will preempt your imagined eventual reduction of Whites to hostage status and risk of elimination.
It the same way that there’s more of a chance of higher order intelligence evolving over the course of 100 million years, as opposed to 50 million years, there’s a greater chance that Whites will evolve the critical degree of Ethnocentrism required for survival over the course of 100 years of being viable as anything other than a powerless and despised minority on the North American Continent, as opposed to only 50 years.
“Greater” in the sense that a mil is greater than a micron.
And there’s a problem with hope for the emergence of the “Ethnocentrism required for survival” that merely begs the question of whether such Ethnocentrism, as it “evolves,” will be of the quality that indeed lends itself to survival. I find the lower-caste notions as to what is required to that end to reflect disappointing prospects involving a version of Ethnocentrism that does not emphasize quality over quantity.
The weapons wouldn’t have to be homemade, and given the general trend of the US Government weakening, I think the possibility of good old fashioned Racially Motivated war of Secession, where greater number of Whites will lead to a greater chance of victory for our side, is FAR greater than you seem to think.
Tell us about the origins and aftermath of “good old fashioned Racially Motivated war[s] of Secession,” please.
Also, Reproduction buys the White Race precious time to experience useful biological and cultural evolution that will make it far more likely that Whites will take control of their own destiny once more. (Reginald)
The contrary development seems far more likely. (NN)
Speaking to the issue of Biological Evolution at least, you are entirely mistaken. Just read these two articles, where I show that the More Ethnocentric States and Most Ethnocentric Major Religion in America are both correlated with higher White Fertility Rates! (Reginald)
You commit the error, explained above, of indiscriminately equating Ethnocentrism with the promotion of racial survival.
We learn from the referenced material that which was already in evidence: that the declasse penis-wielder offers no more toward our survival than the provision of more slaves for our masters. Indeed, the multiplication of numbskull bigotry as representative of our position diminishes what little, if any, chance is to be had of influencing someone in a position of power to act in a responsible fashion.
Anyway, if you want to argue that there are things more important than White reproduction, like the cultivation of White Supermen who can lead their brothers to victory, go ahead and be my guest.
Very kind of you. I reciprocally invite you to entertain yourself at my venue, “superhuman”.
Just don’t argue that Reproduction isn’t important, as such a view defies both logic and common sense.
I understand the discussion to be one as to priorities, not alternatives.
NeoNietzsche
(to the extent that one attends to such things in the trailer park).
Spoken like a white hating kike.
Why would someone like you who worships kikes to a degree unheard of even in Rush Limbaugh’s studio and despises whites with a blistering contempt that might give Al Sharpton pause want a white state?
Your drivel is, as always, worthless, your recommendations a recipe for surrender. We are to await your invocation of a military dictator in silence, lest our repellent nature inspire the scorn of our would be messiah who might then choose to ritually suicide rather than save such utter trailer trash.
More succinctly, eat my shorts, you pompous ass.
They’ve conquered us to the point where we even send our precious young sons 9,000 nautical miles away to fight their wars, to protect their people, in their interests, not our own. Meanwhile, their sons sit in seats at Harvard and Princeton–places that have locked out our own White sons–while your sons are sent home in body bags. — Bon, ‘From the Land of Babble’ (LOL)
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Ooh, soooooo unfortunately truuuue.
Harvard Hates Whites—Does America, Too?
They won’t even let our precious young son’s be sent even one nautical mile to defend their own nation’s southern border with Marxico!
Bon, your one of the best writers for Our People… I always love your poetic commentary over at AmRen!
Welcome to OD! So glad to have you here.
Spoken like a white hating kike
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More succinctly, eat my shorts, you pompous ass. (OldRight)
Sorry, OR, but I am so sated by the savor of your incontinent indignation that there’s nothing further you can offer me of pleasure at your expense.
NN:”Also note that nuclear weapons make it possible to exterminate large and defenceless populations under false pretenses and with relative celerity and economy, should they prove contumacious in their captivity.”
NN is right — with international organized Jewry + Israel now in possession of one of largest stockpiles of nuclear weapons in the world, not to mention their proxy control of the economy and thus the military (and nuclear weaponry) of the USA and the UK, there is little that can be done to militarily oppose them at this point.
International Jewry and their allies would murder billions of innocent people without hesitation before they would loosen their grip of macro-control over the USA, the UK, and other nations.
If they wanted to they could intentionally collapse the economy of any area of the USA or any other nation merely by preventing shipments of energy (oil from the Middle East) from reaching them.
Those are the facts. The current situation is bleak according to any measure.
Well, I don’t know quite what to say about all this erudite intra-racial white venom. Except that
1) A Jew would enjoy reading it.
2) Numbers do matter: Eastern Front, WW II: Nazis better
organized, but Reds had the numbers. Look who won.
3) As does organization and leadership of same. Both of which
are facilitated by keeping the enemy-definition simple: its
not “Yankees”, or Blacks, or Latinos. Its the Controlling
Power, by way of money. big media, and fast-talk lawyering:
organized Jewry. Break the Jew-power, and everything else
will fall into place.
Kulaks Never Learn:
Thank you for your kind words.
I see a number of (former) AmRen posters have landed here–probably because AmRen refuses to discuss or post any issues concerning ZOG hegemony and its destruction of White Americans and their culture. Many of the posts I write referencing Kevin MacDonald are not published; links I include to his site are edited out. AmRen is limited in its scope.
To understand what is happening to NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS (I see Jupiter is here) and to understand why this is happening–why we Whites are being marginalized, debased, and eliminated in the country we WHITES created for ourselves and our posterity, how and why our culture, academia and government have been hijacked, we MUST have an open forum–a completely open forum– AmRen does not allow this.
We also must band together to fight off ZOG control of the media and put a halt to the debasement of our people. If we Whites were to debase any other race or ethnic group the way we are debased daily, we would be charged with Hate Speech or Hate Crimes. If we complain about our displacement by non-Whites, we are hypocritically called Nazis and Klansmen. Whites, and only Whites, are expected to happily give up their living space and homelands and hand it over to the dregs of the Third World. I have watched my own home, California, turn into Third World hell.
We must put a stop to this. But only by understanding ZOG and its motives will we be able to fight back.
Many posters have left AmRen because it only deals with the symptoms of our downfall and not the core issue: ZOG control and its stranglehold on American culture, government, media, educational system and the incredible harm it is doing to our people.
At least over here we can cut loose and speak our minds.
I’ll close with this: I read this on ‘El Skunko’s’ (that’s the name he goes by) site this morning:
The Question Of Zionist Children In The Conflicts
When confronted on the appalling lack of military service, the standard answer is these kids are America’s future leaders. A Patrick AFB survey showed Jewish participation at .3% of all armed forces.
http://tinyurl.com/gh85q
Spread the Word and Tell Everyone You Know.
Bon
seadragon:”2) Numbers do matter: Eastern Front, WW II: Nazis better
organized, but Reds had the numbers. Look who won.”
In the age of nuclear weaponry, raw numbers matter much less than they did in the years preceding them because in a matter of seconds a few nuclear weapons can now do the ‘fighting’ which in the past took huge armies years to do.
“If you wish to use S.A. whites as an instructive proxy for Greater Judean whites…”
Yes I do. The intended analogy was primarily to Whites in America, and the probability of their being helpless before Genocide like Whites in South Africa if their relative numbers are allowed to get too low.
“In particular, I again say that other peril will preempt your imagined eventual reduction of Whites to hostage status and risk of elimination.”
So you mean to say that if Jews continue to enjoy the position they do now, they will use their Awesome and God like power to Genocide White Americans out of existence before they reach minority status?
Funny the Jews are struggling to get Obama to get tough on Iran, funny the Jews couldn’t even get their little monkey puppet George W. Bush to attack Iran, and yet they somehow have such total control of the US Government that they can snap their fingers and cause said Government to mass murder THE VERY PEOPLE WHO GIVE THE GOVERNMENT THE MONEY THAT IS THE SOLE BASIS OF ITS POWER.
For the US Government to kill off Whites would be like a Pimp killing off all his Whores.
When was the last time a Pimp killed off all his Whores, Neo? Maybe a Pimp will kill off a “trouble making” Whore or two from time to time, but to kill all of them would destroy the whole point of asserting greater control over them.
Do you really think the American Government would use Nuclear Weapons against its own people, something that has never been done in the 65 year long history of Nuclear Weapons?
You strike me as taking pessimism to the point of delusion.
“I find the lower-caste notions as to what is required to that end to reflect disappointing prospects involving a version of Ethnocentrism that does not emphasize quality over quantity.”
You sell quantity short. Hispanics don’t give a shit about anything else and they’re mopping up the floor with the blood and guts of Elite Whites in California.
Who controls the Government in Cali, Neo? The high Quality Whites in Silicon Valley or the high quantity Hispanics?
Look at were the tax money is going, and you’ll see it’s the Hispanics who are in charge.
Also, Whites are so superier to other races that lower quality Whites are still very often near Gods among men, as compared to even the higher quality representatives of competing races.
“You commit the error, explained above, of indiscriminately equating Ethnocentrism with the promotion of racial survival.”
The more Ethnocentric do more to promote racial survival than the less Ethnocentric, and less to harm it.
I admit that until we pound it into the skulls of Ethnocentric Whites that they need to start attacking Legal Immigration, like Rep. Virgil Goode and a few other people like Peter Brimelow have, there’s a crippling limit on how much good Ethnocentric Whites can do.
But nonetheless there is likely a critical mass of Ethnocentrism that evolution will produce, where the cultural chains put on lower class Whites by Liberal Philosophy will be broken off like the Philistine bands around the arms of Sampson.
Also, it is crucial to understand that even with Whites being too weakly Ethnocentric, the degree of race treason we’ve seen never could’ve happened without the narcotizing effects of prosperity.
And prosperity is being washed away, by the very Multicultural Policies promoting by the Jews who have benefited so much from Whites being narcotized.
Islamic Terrorism will help this denarcotizing process of economic destruction along very nicely
Junghans:”By the way, I think that the first synagogue in N. America was at Newport, R.I., the center of the Jewish run Negro slave & shipping trade.”
Yes, I have been trying to alert people to that fact for a couple years now. Another major center of Jewish importation of Black-African slaves was in Charleston, SC - which until the early 1800s had the largest Jewish community in all of North America. Slave trading Jews had been present in Charleston for a long time - with a synagogue (Congregation Kahal Kadosh Beth Elohim) founded there in the 1740s (with Jews showing up there even earlier). In addition to Newport, RI and Charleston, SC, Jews also brought African slaves in at Savannah, GA as well as New Orleans, LA - among other port cities along the eastern seaboard. They did the same in the Carribbean/West Indies as well as across Latin America, with Recife, Brazil being a main point of importation. Jews have always had a long affinity with port cities. They needed labor, in this case free enslaved African labor, to work all of the mass-agricultural operations they were setting up to grow raw materials for export like sugar, cotton, tobacco, rice, cacao, coffee, and so on to Europe and beyond.
After examining the evidence, it is clear that international-trading Jews were the people most responsible for the trans-Atlantic African slave trade, which was also an early form of Jewish ‘race-replacement’ of Whites and also a way to slowly mongrelize them.
“Tell us about the origins and aftermath of ‘good old fashioned Racially Motivated war[s] of Secession,’ please.”
The retirement of the primarily White Baby Boomers will have two effects:
1. The average American worker will drop sharply in quality, on account of the average American worker becoming less White and more Hispanic, undermining the Economic Growth the US Government so desperately depends on.
2. The Social Security and Medicare obligations of the US Government will skyrocket compared to where they are now.
These two things happening at once will force the Federal Government to start a massive campaign of tax increases directed at the remaining States that are mostly White, and therefore still producing a decent amount of Wealth compared to what they consume in Tax Services.
Note they WON’T be able to raise taxes across the board, as in States like California and Arizona this would lead to MASS STARVATION.
They’ll instead have to single out the White States and White people to suck their wealth, and this unprecedented assault on Whites will put strong practical pressure on the mostly White States to break free from the Federal Government.
They will be aided in this goal by the simple fact that you can’t get Americans to risk their lives in the Army without giving them checks so big and fat that it will be beyond the capacity of the financially floundering Us Government to field an Army large enough to win against a large enough number of angry and well armed Whites.
In the same way that the Southern States quickly took over all American Military Bases in the South once they decided to Secede; these new Secessionist States will easily take over the Military Bases currently on their Territory, along with the Nuclear Weapons these bases might have.
Note that internal Military Bases are very isolated and poorly guarded things, and there’s recent precedent from the Balkans that they can be taken without much difficulty with the use of lightning strikes in the dead of night.
Reginald - I agree. It’s all about numbers. We can fight over IQ points, later, when the World is White.
Right now - Eastern Europeans are HIGHLY “racist”, yet perhaps not so book schmart. Racial solidarity, and numbers, count in survival.
NeoNietsche,
For the sake of discussion, what is your response to this scenario: A small fraction of the White population, 200,000 adults, consisting mainly of your oft described untermensch, are racially awakened and aroused to anger and action. Lets imagine that each underman packs up his broad, brats, bible and belongings onto his rusty pickup truck with shotgun racks full, and heads somewhars for that thar revolooshun. In this example, the unshaven, uneducated, ungainly, unappreciated, unkempt but united and unshakable horde of hillbillies arrives in North Dakota, where they quickly vote to leave the Union, creating a new state, the “United Trailer Park Trash of America” (this would be enough votes for North Dakota to secede).
How would your advanced techno state, armed to the teeth with the newest weaponry, be able to stop the revolution? Do you think the US would resort to the authoritarian measures need to quell it? The whole world would be watching, including the voters, over half of the voters are female, and most are peace-loving Christians. This is a nation with little stomach for violence within its borders, especially when children are involved. People are sent to jail for long periods for just mistreating animals. A powerful politician using the word “retard” is shocking front page news. The Ruby Ridge fiasco involved just a few casualties, but caused a great deal of anger.
The common law enforcement and military personnel certainly do not have the stomach for a long term violent campaign against their countrymen. It would also be a very costly operation for a nation that is finding itself in ever-deepening financial difficulties. The Texas polygamy fiasco involved just a few hundred people for a few months, but was very expensive.
This is also a nation that is extremely vulnerable. A truck with a load of fertilizer is fairly cheap, but can be very destructive. A few of these placed at critical locations would cause massive economic harm without casualties. A continuing campaign of such would be devastating, but extremely difficult to stop.
I think that you overestimate the powers that be. This is not the highly-organized Germany of Nietzsche’s era, which he seems to refer to. What you see as a super-efficient political entity, I see as a steaming stool of a system, slouching toward Mexico. It must pour increasing energy into thought control, to prevent its White population from realizing the obvious about their displacement. It is a nation on an inevitable path to fiscal ruin and internal turmoil.
A real secession movement would be very difficult for the United States to deal with. A committed but essentially non-violent movement could be highly effective. And to succeed, it would not need any supermen of vast powers of thought and planning. It just needs a few buck-toothed bubbas with backbone, ignorant of Nietsche but with the will and persistence to make it happen.
So you mean to say that if Jews continue to enjoy the position they do now, they will use their Awesome and God like power to Genocide White Americans out of existence before they reach minority status?
You might review the discussion and note that I did not assign responsibility for that development. If you will study “superhuman,” this matter will be explained at a length that is not appropriate on this thread.
You strike me as taking pessimism to the point of delusion.
Based upon your having jumped to a conclusion not supported by a critical fact.
“I find the lower-caste notions as to what is required to that end to reflect disappointing prospects involving a version of Ethnocentrism that does not emphasize quality over quantity.”
You sell quantity short. Hispanics don’t give a shit about anything else and they’re mopping up the floor with the blood and guts of Elite Whites in California.
And what has been the fate of Elite Jews?
Who controls the Government in Cali, Neo? The high Quality Whites in Silicon Valley or the high quantity Hispanics?
Neither. It’s out of control in a death spiral, evidently as it suits High Quality Jews, on balance. Same thing in Iraq.
Also, Whites are so superier to other races that lower quality Whites are still very often near Gods among men, as compared to even the higher quality representatives of competing races.
Please define “superier” and explain the implication of your allegation.
The more Ethnocentric do more to promote racial survival than the less Ethnocentric, and less to harm it.
One would think so, but the evidence to that effect is questionable.
As has been referenced here and as general observation indicates, Ethnocentrism is correlated and associated with lower-class behavior patterns. This brings it into disrepute with those who have the power to influence events.
Note that internal Military Bases are very isolated and poorly guarded things, and there’s recent precedent from the Balkans that they can be taken without much difficulty with the use of lightning strikes in the dead of night.
I have long been aware of this fact - as have others.
NeoNietzsche, For the sake of discussion, what is your response to this scenario: A small fraction of the White population, 200,000 adults, consisting mainly of your oft described untermensch, are racially awakened and aroused to anger and action. Lets imagine that each underman packs up his broad, brats, bible and belongings onto his rusty pickup truck with shotgun racks full, and heads somewhars for that thar revolooshun. In this example, the unshaven, uneducated, ungainly, unappreciated, unkempt but united and unshakable horde of hillbillies arrives in North Dakota, where they quickly vote to leave the Union, creating a new state, the “United Trailer Park Trash of America” (this would be enough votes for North Dakota to secede).
How would your advanced techno state, armed to the teeth with the newest weaponry, be able to stop the revolution?
Probably at the planning stage. Kidnap and/or kill and/or suborn the organizers.
But let’s grant the initial demographic success of your “revolution” (secession - not revolution - properly speaking), for the sake of discussion.
The Greater Judean authorities, in consideration of the facts you adduce, might well be content, pro tempore, to wall off North Dakota and treat it like Snake Plissken’s New York City.
Eventually, the Pitcairn Island/Lord-of-the-Flies phenomenon, characteristic of the personnel as you have profiled them - in collaboration with desertion from that disorder - would see to the reduction of the redoubt and its return to the fold.
We can fight over IQ points, later, when the World is White.
“Now Fatherland, Fatherland, show us the sign
Your children have waited to see
The morning will come
When the world is mine
Tomorrow belongs to me”
Hasten the Day.
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And to succeed, it would not need any supermen of vast powers of thought and planning. It just needs a few buck-toothed bubbas with backbone, ignorant of Nietsche but with the will and persistence to make it happen.
LOL
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the Tea Parties are totally co-opted. I know. Personally. I got booted out of one (but not another) for being “too racist”. The original group, I was booted from, has already begun cannibalizing itself (my spies report back to me). One of the founders is a Crypto, and she behaves true to her vile, demonic Jew blood. She posted a link to a subversive Leftist website - I called her out - I got the boot.
LOL
Question:
What can you do with a counter-factual assumption?
Answer:
You can prove anything you want.
“Ethnocentrism is correlated and associated with lower-class behavior patterns.”
There goes NN again injecting class-warfare in to the discussion instead of focusing on the main matter, which is White racial survival. Now he claims that people (he especially means Whites) who are ethnocentric are “lower-class” — but this is of course a recent development, as in the not-too distant past (before culture-distorting Jews propagandized Whites via their owned mass-media, academia, corrupt legalisms, etc) almost all Whites were vigorously ethnocentric, segregationists, racial purists, and so on.
Are you a classist or something, NN? Would you prefer to live amongst and breed with Black billionaires or working-class Whites? Would you ever be tempted to completely sell out the White race for a big pile of ZOG bucks?
“Ethnocentrism is correlated and associated with lower-class behavior patterns.”
There goes NN again injecting class-warfare in to the discussion instead of focusing on the main matter, which is White racial survival.
And the question in that regard is what class of tactics is to be emphasized.
Now he claims that people (he especially means Whites) who are ethnocentric are “lower-class”
I see no denial/refutation of this “claim” in this comment.
— but this is of course a recent development, as in the not-too distant past (before culture-distorting Jews propagandized Whites via their owned mass-media, academia, corrupt legalisms, etc) almost all Whites were vigorously ethnocentric, segregationists, racial purists, and so on.
As is no longer the case, however the blame is apportioned, and with the consequence I have “claimed”.
Are you a classist or something, NN?
My serious academic and avocational study of World and Comparative History (BA, Summa Cum with Honors, 3.9/4.0 in 2 years, Head of Class) prevents me from overlooking the prominence of the issue of class in the human experience.
Would you prefer to live amongst and breed with Black billionaires or working-class Whites?
The latter. And your preference?
Would you ever be tempted to completely sell out the White race for a big pile of ZOG bucks?
No. Would you?
Neo - you posted “LOL” in reposnse to my account of my Tea Party expulsion. The thing is - I WAS “too racist”. I had really ramped up the Racial Rhetoric, after Christmas. I had been getting bored, and I wanted to see how far I could push things.
A bunch of us WN entered the local outfits, and attempted to “racialize” the various members. I DID succeed, as I am still on excellent terms with a number of members, and I have fully informed them at to my true beliefs. I am getting them on the White Team. One of the guys was spouting “Those that bless Israel…blah blah blah”, when I met him last Spring. He just bought me a Nazi coin, a few weeks ago, as tribute. There are others (my spies)….coming right along.
That first group is very affluent, educated, and “high end”. The 2nd group I belong to is much more working class, and much rowdier. I have toned down the rhetoric, to a degree. I have been admonished, thus far, cone, and it was over 9/11 Truth posting. Not Race. I, and other “civilians” have gotten into totally free exchanges over racial issues - and how taxation is abused to award non-Whites - and not a peep has been heard from the Mods, on this site.
So - the “intelligent” Whites, in my area, have already been co-opted by ZOG. The “redneck” ones have not, and are completely open to free debate on the practical, real world results of social engineering.
I’m gonna move to the Trailer Trash Free State. I’m bettign on them. The Salt of the Earth types will hold the line. The Ejimakated types are the craven sell-outs, necks willingly outstretched to offer, as sacrifice, to Madame Guillotinesky.
Denise,
Attitude and administration are two different things.
You misconceive the human circumstance - as did the pastor at my church, long ago, who claimed that, were the Earth full of none but Christians, this world would be a Heaven on Earth.
I suggest that you do as I did, and spend the next several years clearing the shelves at a local university of their works on economics and political science, with an eye to the ethical implications, limitations, and prospects of and for political-economy, implicit in what you read. Learn about the principles involved in the origins, organization, and maintenance of post-tribal human society.
Then you might be intellectually equipped to gauge the wisdom of the political affiliations and tactics you choose that fundamentally affect your life.
I write this with affection for your spirit.
NN
“Would you prefer to live amongst and breed with Black billionaires or working-class Whites?” (Wiki)
The latter. And your preference? (NN)
There is, however, one confession that I could make in this regard:
When I was in the stockade at Ft. Dix, many years ago, I found that I much preferred the company of black militants, on the basis of mutual respect and understanding, to association with pussy whites on the basis of mutual contempt and misunderstanding.
On the pension given to Mennasseh ben Israel:
More from Henriques’s The Jews and the English Law:
http://www.heretical.com/British/jewlegal.html
Note that the subject of this essay, William Prynne, was a Puritan. As were the clergymen and others who opposed the admission of Jews at Whitehall.
NN was asked: “Would you prefer to live amongst and breed with Black billionaires or working-class Whites?”
And replied: “The latter. And your preference?”
So despite the fact that NN is ’spiritually a Jew’ he is loyal unto death to his allegedly lesser brethren. I think I’m getting misty-eyed. LOL!
NeoNietzsche
Sorry, OR, but I am so sated by the savor of your incontinent indignation that there’s nothing further you can offer me of pleasure at your expense.
Not that this is any news to me, but I hope your admission that you’re a griefer troll helps put to rest the all too common assumption that you’re arguing in good faith.
…but I hope your admission that you’re a griefer troll helps put to rest the all too common assumption that you’re arguing in good faith
Perhaps it would if I had.
But the fact is that your latest foam-flecked outburst was not deliberately elicited - it was merely an unanticipated bonus addition to the “Tards on Parade” file (which has fallen into neglect lately). Also, you might note that your lack of composure is (but for Antonius Cincinnatus’s own ) *singular* in this venue. Hardly the basis for a generalization as to my motives.
Neo, Honey Britches - you are making the error of assuming that we are in a post-tribal society.
We were.
Not no more.
Things are breaking down.
Things are falling apart.
We are re-tribalizing.
Uh-huh. It’s true.
Do you ever converse with non-intellectual, but intelligent and energetic Whites, that live in Post America (Mexifornia, and Mexizonia, etc?). I do.
Whites are finally boarding the last train, on the Racial Survival Express. Whites are the last to get on board - but the ones that do will overtake all the others. You also assume that the Hyper Refined Intellectuals, and the Dirt under the Fingernails Whites are going to remain mutually exclusive. It jest ain’t so.
Do you know how to make practical things? I don’t. I done read a lotta readin’, and them there fancy-pants book ya talk about - I’m more concerned with the practical applications of growing food, raising and butchering domestic animals, acruing fuel gathering skills, manufacturing bullets, etc, than ingesting some high-falutin’ e-co-nomic Theory-orems.
I’d rather make economies, than read about ‘em.
Can you make things? Can you do plumbing, or ‘lectricty? I can’t. Mebbee I’ll take up welding, Pookie Sweetums.
Neo, Honey Britches - you are making the error of assuming that we are in a post-tribal society.
D-girl, my Candy Pants - whatever the marginal tendency and the prospects for the future of which you seem to hope, a continent of 300 mil population remains solidly and necessarily post-tribal in culture and administration. A generally and genuinely tribal population on the continent would allow of only a few million inhabitants. So you betray the lack of instruction in political economy for which I have prescribed suitable remedy. That instruction might allow you to contribute to the avoidance of the loss of the hundreds of millions of lives, likely including your own, that is the difference between the present circumstance and the demographically primitive Dark Age of tribalism that threatens.
Do you ever converse with non-intellectual, but intelligent and energetic Whites, that live in Post America (Mexifornia, and Mexizonia, etc?). I do.
As do I.
Whites are finally boarding the last train, on the Racial Survival Express. Whites are the last to get on board - but the ones that do will overtake all the others. You also assume that the Hyper Refined Intellectuals, and the Dirt under the Fingernails Whites are going to remain mutually exclusive. It jest ain’t so.
A cheerful prospect, my dear. No Night of the Long Knives for *our* Revolution, eh?
- I’m more concerned with the practical applications of growing food, raising and butchering domestic animals, acruing fuel gathering skills, manufacturing bullets, etc, than ingesting some high-falutin’ e-co-nomic Theory-orems.
A worthwhile skill set to have for the few days you would likely have yet to live in a circumstance where you would have to resort to those provident measures.
I’d rather make economies, than read about ‘em.
A virtuous aspiration! And such courage displayed in disdaining to profit from the experience of others, left as a legacy for the literate!
Can you make things? Can you do plumbing, or ‘lectricty? I can’t.
I can.
Mebbee I’ll take up welding, Pookie Sweetums.
That might be more than you will have the opportunity to put to use, Gum Drop.
NeoNietzsche,
In regard to the secession movement by the human “cattle” (as you refer to them), you seem to concede that there is not much that the US could do to counteract their efforts, if they had the will to endure. Billions of people around the world live in comparatively squalid conditions, and thrive therein. There is nothing that prevents Whites from doing so as well, if they had conviction and commitment to a cause.
Stored food supplies to last a few years are cheap, so are trailers, seeds, gardens, home-made bunkers and cameras to document suppression. If leaders were captured, their show trials would attract a great deal of attention. The conservative republican base would certainly have a lot of sympathy for them, especially after some innocents had been shot on film. A few incidents like those can be enough to bring down an administration. There is a great deal of unsettled law about the right of a state to secede, which would be debated across the nation. Every month that went by with their state remaining intact would increase their legitimacy, and bring it closer to de-facto independence. A small independent White state with low taxes would be a haven for Europeans fleeing from their displacement around the world, and would mark a precedent for other states to do likewise.
I think that your talk of our super-state being all powerful is ill conceived. How well is the state doing against Afganistan, and what are its prospects to quell that part of the world? I dont see the state having much success against the Polygamists, who you would no doubt classify as untermensch. A group of Hoi Polloi with commitment to an idea cannot really be dealt with by this state. Kievsky is exactly right about this. All of this defeatist talk just makes no sense, and from someone who claims to understand history, its unfathomable, as the past is replete with examples of successful secession movements. So dammit, put on your wife-beater shirt, buy a pickup, saw off your shotgun and get ready for the revolooshun!
“You might review the discussion and note that I did not assign responsibility for that development. If you will study “superhuman,” this matter will be explained at a length that is not appropriate on this thread.”
Which post? Can you provide a link?
“And what has been the fate of Elite Jews?”
I suppose you mean Boxer. We’ll just see how long the State keeps churning out Jewgirl Israel Firsters once Hispanics are an absolute majority of voters.
Then it will stop being about building a Leftist Coalition, where the Jews have something of value to trade, and instead just be pure Hispanic demographic power running over everyone else and leading to de facto Genocide.
A Hispanic wouldn’t even need Jewish money to win in Cali, if he was running against a Non-Hispanic in a State where the absolute majority of voters are Ethnocentric Hispanics.
“Neither. It’s out of control in a death spiral, evidently as it suits High Quality Jews, on balance. Same thing in Iraq.”
At this time, that is a lie. The Hispanic Birthrate in California is MASSIVE, and the infant mortality for Hispanics is low.
Also it is clear that California is controlled by Hispanics when you consider that Hispanic Women are paid by the State Government to have children.
Nazi Government paid Germans to have Babies = Germans controlled Nazi Germany.
California Government pays Hispanics to have Babies = Hispanics control California Government.
Now at some point the fleeing of Whites will lead to some starvation, but that no more proves that Hispanics don’t control the State than the starvation of Blacks in Zimbabwe proves that Blacks aren’t in control of that Country.
You clearly have no understanding of what the word control means.
“One would think so, but the evidence to that effect is questionable.
As has been referenced here and as general observation indicates, Ethnocentrism is correlated and associated with lower-class behavior patterns. This brings it into disrepute with those who have the power to influence events.”
Yeah sure, that’s the reason the Elite are Anti-White! If they were Pro-White it would make them be too much like White people who don’t make enough money or go to the right schools.
It couldn’t possible be because they actually believe Anti-Discrimination Liberalism, now could it!
And the proof of this is that while they normally treat Pro-White people with savagery, when you’re talking about the erudite and Harvard Educated Pro-White Activist Jared Taylor, they treat him with a deference and respect that is due to his class.
Except when they’re treating him like a Terrorist and looking the other way as Thugs Attack him every time he tries to speak before a neutral audience.
Give me a break, Neo: The Elite are against our ideas, and not their association with people of lower socioeconomic status.
If they were against ideas associated with poor people, they’d be deadest against the Welfare State as the Welfare State’s strongest support comes from the economic dregs of the Human Race.
In regard to the secession movement by the human “cattle” (as you refer to them), you seem to concede that there is not much that the US could do to counteract their efforts, if they had the will to endure.
If you will review, I did not concede. Such an effort would most likely be interdicted at the organizational stage, and I merely allowed you past that obstacle for the sake of instruction in the outcome, even granted the improbable.
Billions of people around the world live in comparatively squalid conditions, and thrive therein. There is nothing that prevents Whites from doing so as well, if they had conviction and commitment to a cause.
You misunderstand the issue. Unless you have a sovereign, armed administration already in place in your refuge, the refugees will tear one another apart in short order, whatever their wealth or lack thereof. That’s Bubba history and culture.
I think that your talk of our super-state being all powerful is ill conceived. How well is the state doing against Afganistan, and what are its prospects to quell that part of the world?
I do not recall such talk as you describe. The circumstances and interests involved in domestic secession and remote foreign wars are not parallel.
I dont see the state having much success against the Polygamists, who you would no doubt classify as untermensch. A group of Hoi Polloi with commitment to an idea cannot really be dealt with by this state. Kievsky is exactly right about this.
The measures taken by the State tend to correspond to the threat posed to the State. Polygamists and other eccentrics are not much of a threat, in terms of armed force seeking territorial amputation. And I again point out that the State need not aggressively “deal” with a Bubbaville - the problem will cure itself with time.
All of this defeatist talk just makes no sense, and from someone who claims to understand history, its unfathomable, as the past is replete with examples of successful secession movements.
Like the War of Northern Aggression? What else of significance did you have in mind? Bar Kochba? The Cathars? Pakistan and Bangladesh? Tibet and Nepal? Ireland? The alleged “collapse” of the USSR? South Yemen and South Sudan? Buganda? Vermont? Please list the true parallels to what you propose of developments in an advanced culture that are successful more often than not. And remember that you propose not simply the creation and secession of a State amidst a long-settled population, as is the history of the event - you would have this emerge from the congregation of strangers *intruding* upon such a population.
So - a ludicrous proposal it is. And it is portentous of the prospects for successful administration of such a refuge and redoubt that, once again in history, quarrelsome barbarians will be on the move thereto and will require the collaboration of an alien international entity in order to establish and maintain order in their dominion. But this requirement will not be met, of course, as having been ideologically excluded, and North Dakota will start looking like Pitcairn Island in short order.
So dammit, put on your wife-beater shirt, buy a pickup, saw off your shotgun and get ready for the revolooshun!
I was thinking rather of cheerleader outfits for you and my D-girl.
“You might review the discussion and note that I did not assign responsibility for that development. If you will study ’superhuman,’ this matter will be explained at a length that is not appropriate on this thread.”
Which post? Can you provide a link?
Read the Black Column and the attached comments. It will be amongst that material.
“And what has been the fate of Elite Jews?”
I suppose you mean Boxer. We’ll just see how long the State keeps churning out Jewgirl Israel Firsters once Hispanics are an absolute majority of voters.
No, I mean the Jewish elite that runs the Greater Judean Empire and suffers not the fate of merely wealthy white goyim in CA.
Then it will stop being about building a Leftist Coalition, where the Jews have something of value to trade, and instead just be pure Hispanic demographic power running over everyone else and leading to de facto Genocide.
Thus we have it from yourself that the purposes of the *true* quality elite are being served in CA.
“Neither. It’s out of control in a death spiral, evidently as it suits High Quality Jews, on balance. Same thing in Iraq.”
At this time, that is a lie. The Hispanic Birthrate in California is MASSIVE, and the infant mortality for Hispanics is low.
Sounds like a symptom of a situation that’s out of control, from the standpoint of whites (like my in-laws, in LA).
Also it is clear that California is controlled by Hispanics when you consider that Hispanic Women are paid by the State Government to have children.
California is in a fiscal death spiral that will leave no one locally in “control”.
Nazi Government paid Germans to have Babies = Germans controlled Nazi Germany.
Weimar issued trillions in worthless currency = Allies controlled Germany.
California Government pays Hispanics to have Babies = Hispanics control California Government.
California Government is running out of money to pay Hispanics = California becomes a literal Welfare State controlled by the GJ government, lest CA descend into anarchy in consequence of lower-caste attempts at administration.
Now at some point the fleeing of Whites will lead to some starvation, but that no more proves that Hispanics don’t control the State than the starvation of Blacks in Zimbabwe proves that Blacks aren’t in control of that Country.
And we certainly look forward to the national administration of our affairs under such “control”. Imagine a Zimbabwe-esque entity as the (temporarily) sovereign power in North America as a whole. Of course, anarchy would soon ensue, and a coup or invasion would place a more capable oligarchy in a position to govern a continent that plays a pivotal role in international events. And that capable oligarchy would not resemble the Brotherhood of Bubba’s, Hispanics, or Africans.
You clearly have no understanding of what the word control means.
So it seems when one thinks of the word as applicable to third-world regimes on a downward trajectory.
“One would think so, but the evidence to that effect is questionable. As has been referenced here and as general observation indicates, Ethnocentrism is correlated and associated with lower-class behavior patterns. This brings it into disrepute with those who have the power to influence events.”
Yeah sure, that’s the reason the Elite are Anti-White! If they were Pro-White it would make them be too much like White people who don’t make enough money or go to the right schools.
It couldn’t possibl[y] be because they actually believe Anti-Discrimination Liberalism, now could it!
I certainly could and is - but no one reason accounts for the matter.
Class distinction *is* an element allied and aligned with the moral self-righteousness that you suggest is solely the issue
And the proof of this is that while they normally treat Pro-White people with savagery, when you’re talking about the erudite and Harvard Educated Pro-White Activist Jared Taylor, they treat him with a deference and respect that is due to his class.
Except when they’re treating him like a Terrorist and looking the other way as Thugs Attack him every time he tries to speak before a neutral audience.
Again, both elements are present, now in the example of the treatment of JT.
Give me a break, Neo: The Elite are against our ideas, and not their association with people of lower socioeconomic status.
The evidence is otherwise.
If they were against ideas associated with poor people, they’d be deadest against the Welfare State as the Welfare State’s strongest support comes from the economic dregs of the Human Race.
The “ideas associated with poor people” involve polarities that allow *some* varieties of poor people to be celebrated as noble in their ideas consonant with the Liberal Utopianism of the upper elements - as you well know. You just didn’t think that one through.
@Reginald
“You might review the discussion and note that I did not assign responsibility for that development. If you will study ’superhuman,’ this matter will be explained at a length that is not appropriate on this thread.”
Which post? Can you provide a link?
Read the Black Column and the attached comments. It will be amongst that material.
The post, “LAW, ETHICS, AND MORALITY: PRETENSE AND ILLUSION,” and the comments attached, are the most pertinent.
NeoNietzsche:
Knowing in advance that the probability of me convincing you of anything is about the same as winning the lottery, for the record the points that I was trying to make with the hypothetical scenario were:
1) In a modern democracy, it is quite viable for a population to separate if it has a majority of the vote in a region and the endurance to outlast the state. Some examples are the breakup of the Soviet Union; look at Moldova, the Baltic countries, etc. Elsewhere in Europe we have Czech/Slovakia and Yugoslavia. There are movements afoot in Belgium and Italy that would succeed if they had the votes behind them. Quebec could have easily seceded with a few more percentage points of the vote, and any Canadian province could do so today using the same process. Other older examples are England’s colonies separating (including Canada, Australia and New Zealand). The list goes on.
2) The US cannot resort to the authoritarian measures needed to crush a real movement, especially a non-violent one. Your suggestion of imprisoning leaders during the organization stage, or “walling in” a state attempting to secede is not realistic. This nation is bound by a net of laws on what it can do. We didnt see kidnapping, assassinations, wallings-in or other interference with Quebec’s independence movement, neither do we see that in other existing European independence movements. Whether or not there is a shadow elite that controls real affairs, hard-core repression is not an option for the US or other Western democracies (and certainly not dropping a nuke on them as you mentioned).
3) The “regular people” (sans Supermen) are fully capable of carrying out a secession strategy if they have the commitment, the willpower to see it through, and the ability to endure hardship. Whites have shown these qualities in the past, and it stands to reason that they could do so again (non-Whites can do it in the third world, why cant my kin?). The polygamists are an important example, they have thrived under siege for a long time.
4) The Afganistan situation is relevant, because it shows the problems that rebels with primitive weapons can cause. The US is extremely vulnerable to a domestic insurgency which could be used as an arm of a secession movement.
You will of course discount the above, which requires some psychological analysis, which I am not qualified to provide, but will provide it anyway because I have a big ego. I think that some of the problems you experience are:
1) Excessive rigidity: If its not in the book (Nietzsche’s book), then something must be impossible. Its very difficult for you to think outside the Nietzsche box.
2) Belief in the Shadow Elite: In your mind, all major events are attributed to shadowy powers. I am open to the possibility that these secretive combinations exist, but at the same time, this is the real world, where the government can hardly wipe its proverbial butt correctly, much less carry out hidden agendas. In your mind, if California is turning into a gigantic mess, this the revealed purpose of the shadow elite. I just dont see any method in that madness, just poor planning and incompetence on the part of the elite.
3) Writing off the commoners: You can only sneer at the feeble attempts of average Whites to handle their affairs, seeing them as worthless pawns. This kind of elitism blinds you to the potential of what could be, to what could be achieved through proper organization and leadership.
In conclusion, I do realize that in the campaign to convince you, defeatism is probably the best strategy, because its a herculean task, requiring a veritable Nietzschian Superman to have any chance of success. Nevertheless, these things must be said.
Andrew,
Knowing in advance that the probability of me convincing you of anything is about the same as winning the lottery,…
The probability depends solely upon the “thing” involved, and the skill you bring to handling it. I have no predisposition to a conclusion that is not the product of having handled this and related matters with much due consideration. Your remark shows that you are epistemologically unsophisticated and thus given to confusing your conviction with demonstration. But I thank you for your persistence, lest any point be overlooked in discussing this important matter.
…for the record the points that I was trying to make with the hypothetical scenario were:
1) In a modern democracy, it is quite viable for a population to separate if it has a majority of the vote in a region and the endurance to outlast the state.
But this is not a democracy. And your generalization has no basis in prior experience. And you beg the question with your final clause.
Some examples are the breakup of the Soviet Union; look at Moldova, the Baltic countries, etc. Elsewhere in Europe we have Czech/Slovakia and Yugoslavia.
The “breakup” of the USSR involved both crude pretense and reliance upon a delusional and wishful West for its acceptance as such, and was the long-planned strategic initiative and decree of the State itself. Elsewhere of your offerings, developments in small intermediate “states” contain no lessons for world-historic, globally-pivotal polities such as Greater Judea.
It is a disappointing aspect of modern White-wingery that it publicly betrays itself as mere emotive bigotry in failing to apply its putative standing for “truth” to much more than indulging and rationalizing its animosity for other races. A reflection of this is manifest in the fatuous regard for developments in the former USSR as having left Russia behind as the Great White Hope, and as having demonstrated that some hot air can blow down the iron wall of pseudo-imperial containment for the sake of racial secessionists and separatists. This is politico-economic nonsense in principle, confirmed as such and in fact by refugees from the internal organization of the deception involved.
There are movements afoot in Belgium and Italy that would succeed if they had the votes behind them. Quebec could have easily seceded with a few more percentage points of the vote, and any Canadian province could do so today using the same process.
Ah, much “would have” and “could have”. Our requirement was for examples of *success*, more often than not. But this goose egg offers us no hope at all. And again, you adduce no parallel with what you propose. Which involves an uninvited *intrusion* of strangers to the region, who are strangers, even, to one another. Thus, Pitcairn II, 10,000 times over. And again, these polities are of little import to the New World Order organizers who must retain both the fact and appearance of mastery of the *central* polity, Greater Judea.
Other older examples are England’s colonies separating (including Canada, Australia and New Zealand).
As if your tiny North Dakotan refuge, territorially contiguous with the State in question, in the modern era of communication, transportation, and weaponry, is to enjoy the separatist prospects of the gigantic, globally-remote, old English colonies. I’m *slightly* surprised that you would resort to this silly example.
The list goes on.
With no parallels, successful or otherwise.
2) The US cannot resort to the authoritarian measures needed to crush a real movement, especially a non-violent one. Your suggestion of imprisoning leaders during the organization stage, or “walling in” a state attempting to secede is not realistic.
LOL. Does “Kennedy assassination” or “WACO” ring any bells?
This nation is bound by a net of laws on what it can do.
More laughter. How old are you, son?
How many lawyers do you know personally? Have you been to law school? (I know many, and attended Law School long enough to know about the application and enforcement of “a net of laws”).
We didnt see kidnapping, assassinations, wallings-in or other interference with Quebec’s independence movement, neither do we see that in other existing European independence movements.
Because none have succeeded and are important and are the parallel of what you envision.
Whether or not there is a shadow elite that controls real affairs, hard-core repression is not an option for the US or other Western democracies (and certainly not dropping a nuke on them as you mentioned).
Did I say “dropping”? It appears that others who are monitoring this discussion appreciate, based upon past episodes, that the *planting* of devices as part of false-flag operations is quite do-able - in *any* part of the world.
What are the odds that the few non-jew leaders in the US armed forces will carry out NeoNietzsche’s plan, a WN coup?
The answer to that question, that the odds are close to zero, reveals NeoNietzsche’s malign agenda: to promulgate despair among the most intelligent white nationalists.
Whether this is due to his own sadistic abnormal psychology or because he’s on the jew payroll is immaterial.
[to continue:]
3) Writing off the commoners: You can only sneer at the feeble attempts of average Whites to handle their affairs, seeing them as worthless pawns.
You are mistaken. It is *obvious* to the student of the logic and history of political economy that the elite and the common are *indispensable* to one another. It is likewise obvious, and the immediate implication, that the *absence* of either element is a recipe for the quixotic and catastrophic.
This kind of elitism blinds you to the potential of what could be, to what could be achieved through proper organization and leadership.
You beg many a question. See previous message re: epistemological sophistication.
In conclusion, I do realize that in the campaign to convince you, defeatism is probably the best strategy, because its a herculean task, requiring a veritable Nietzschian Superman to have any chance of success.
Some instruction in Nietzschean concepts might correct your misapprehension and mischaracterization of the overman notion. And it is evident that you are not yet equipped to “convince” others, who are not of your convictions, even as to points that *are* sustainable on the merits.
Nevertheless, these things must be said.
And I thank you for saying them - that others might be instructed by their subjection to analysis.
What are the odds that the few non-jew leaders in the US armed forces will carry out NeoNietzsche’s plan, a WN coup?
The answer to that question, that the odds are close to zero, reveals NeoNietzsche’s malign agenda: to promulgate despair among the most intelligent white nationalists.
Indeed, the odds are close to zero. But the implication drawn neither follows nor is the truth.
I draw the following analogy:
Our task is to reduce a hill of dirt. A pool of water is nearby.
I am equipped with a tablespoon. Another is equipped with a pail.
I am busy reducing the hill. The other is bailing the pool.
I am making slight, if any, progress. The other is making slightly more, in bailing the pool.
What is our task?
Whether this is due to his own sadistic abnormal psychology or because he’s on the jew payroll is immaterial.
Not to me.
[To clarify:]
I am working at a task that, if achieved against the heavy odds, means success through autocracy in a time appropriate thereto.
The alternative, even if achieved against lesser odds, nevertheless represents failure, in a “democracy” long extinguished as such.
Basically, NeoNietzsche has inculcated the martial aristocratic biases of his master. He should be PaleoNietzsche or NeoGiles.
He should be PaleoNietzsche or NeoGiles.
Evidently, Wiki, you’ve not violated yourself with further study of N.
“PaleoNietzsche” would refer to early Nietzsche, whereas I promote him in terms of his mature thought and the implications thereof, hence the propriety of “NeoNietzsche”.
And I think you intend to say something other than is implied by “inculcate,” which means “to impress (something) upon the mind of another”. If you mean to allege that I have adopted or assimilated biases, then those reflexive (”directed back on itself”) terms are to be employed.
[Are you seriously going to associate the aristocratic NN with the intemperate non-com, J.Giles? Give that some more thought, please - you're riding high in my general estimate right now.]
NN,
My apologies for the inculcated/adopted faux pas.
I attempted to take your advice and read more Nietzsche, but the librarian told me that he is dead and won’t be publishing anything more. Any additional works would probably be philo-Semitic excerpts that his sister (Denise’s great-great-grandmother?) decided to hide.
My comparison to J. Giles was a superficial reference to the fantasy of conventional military triumph.
I attempted to take your advice and read more Nietzsche, but the librarian told me that he is dead and won’t be publishing anything more. Any additional works would probably be philo-Semitic excerpts that his sister (Denise’s great-great-grandmother?) decided to hide.
To be (once again) precise, Wiki, I did not prescribe “reading more” Nietzsche.
I wrote “further study”. Are you familiar with this approach to the work of scholars past?
And might you reflect upon the distinction between the two and what is involved in the latter?
I can offer you assistance with “study,” lacking further product from N. that would be a waste, anyway, given your grasp from what evidently was a mere “reading” of what he *did* produce.
So, to that end, I refer you to the Black Column of “superhuman,” much of which is devoted to illuminating the thread in N.’s writings that amounts to, contra Lena, a reasonably coherent philosophy of polity.
And I will be happy to clarify any material that again eludes your grasp.
NeoNietzsche
Our task is to reduce a hill of dirt. A pool of water is nearby.
I am equipped with a tablespoon. Another is equipped with a pail.
I am busy reducing the hill. The other is bailing the pool.
I am making slight, if any, progress. The other is making slightly more, in bailing the pool.
What is our task?
You say your task is convincing high ranking white officers in the US military to overthrow the civilian government and institute an authoritarian white nationalist state.
Needless to say you’re not “moving any dirt” in that direction by posting here insulting working and middle class white nationalists.
So why are you here?
Which brings us back to the agent provocateur, troll or nut theories.
Agent provocateurs don’t typically provoke boredom. Perhaps NN is attempting to instigate acts of nihilism. Self-amused trolls don’t host and maintain blogs which develop their theories in depth. NN is very obviously a nut, a nut who frequently adds depth to our discussions.
Pleas stop accusing people of being agents without evidence. It creates an atmosphere of paranoia and tension which ruins the forum.
Wikitopian
NN is very obviously a nut, a nut who frequently adds depth to our discussions.
Pleas stop accusing people of being agents without evidence. It creates an atmosphere of paranoia and tension which ruins the forum.
Let’s just say he’s not very helpful to the cause.
They’ve conquered us to the point where we even send our precious young sons 9,000 nautical miles away to fight their wars, to protect their people, in their interests, not our own. Meanwhile, their sons sit in seats at Harvard and Princeton–places that have locked out our own White sons–while your sons are sent home in body bags.
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To understand what is happening to NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS (I see Jupiter is here) and to understand why this is happening–why we Whites are being marginalized, debased, and eliminated in the country we WHITES created for ourselves and our posterity, how and why our culture, academia and government have been hijacked, we MUST have an open forum–a completely open forum– AmRen does not allow this. — Bon, ‘From the Land of Babble’ (LOL)
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Bon,
Consider some of these passages, and who possibly it could be speaking of and of whom it could realistically apply to:
Deuteronomy 28:15-68 — Curses for Disobedience — New International Version
Sounds amazingly like it is describing modern-day ‘Amerikwa’ and ‘Amerikwans’ — doesn’t it?
DOESN’T IT?
Needless to say you’re not “moving any dirt” in that direction by posting here insulting working and middle class white nationalists.
All of whom, to your exhaustive knowledge of their affiliations, are related to, or associated with, no one of the target group?
I think that unlikely.
In any case, what does it say about the prospects for *any* tactic and strategy, if the elite is absolutely, uniformly, detached from and presumably opposed to it?
I would say then, move along, Old Man - nothing of interest here other than fantasy and the opportunity for organizing another catastrophe.
So why are you here?
To pass along a summation of several decades worth of inter-disciplinary work concerning the issue before the house.
Thus to educate the uneducated, where willing and educable.
Disappointingly and admittedly, however, few have qualified in those terms. The many have lacked aptitude or intellect or sufficient grounding in pertinent disciplines or freedom from superstition and/or parochial outlooks.
The few, however, hold more promise than none that the tablespoon will reduce the hill.
Needless to say you’re not “moving any dirt” in that direction by posting here insulting working and middle class white nationalists.
BTW, OR, did you ever do Basic (bootcamp)?
Explain to us why Drill Sergeants insult and abuse soft, bourgeois, smart-ass civilian boys, fresh from their mamma’s tender good-byes, as they attempt to instill obedience and self-discipline into those who’ve known little but the authority of women?
Why don’t they just politely formulate and suggest their requirements of and to their recruits?
NeoNietzsche,
I didnt even know you had a blog. Whats the link? Up to the present I have been trying to figure out what your ideas were. Its kind of like a Sudoku puzzle, you have to fit all the little clues together in the attempt to form a bigger picture. Knowing what little I know about you (get ready for more psychological analysis, which is my specialty), you seem pretty smart, from the way you string together these 50 cent words, using precise vocabulary to economize in your writing. You talk down to me from your high throne of pomposity like Im a nitwit, but “I’m smart! Not like everybody says… like dumb… I’m smart and I want respect!” (thats from Godfather II). Ahem. Anyway, from your writing, I would almost even guess that you are one of those brainiacs with an IQ of 160 or something. But, when I see how you analyze events, I am inclined to decrease my estimate a fair amount. I dont think you are a nut (of course I havent read your blog so this is subject to change), I think that you just have a world view that doesnt quite align with the reality of most people. Everything you say probably makes perfect sense in the frame of your reality, but if that is a little skewed, it will make the output problematic.
“But this is not a democracy” I guess that you mean this is not a democracy in the sense that the powers that be have the ability to influence the masses in whichever way they want to. While media campaigns can influence the vote to a great extent, I dont think it is reasonable to consider normal people to be mindless cattle that are just “plugged into the matrix”.
“your generalization has no basis in prior experience.”
Regarding a part of the country voting itself out of the Union, what law of physics, thermodynamics or politics that prevents people from being convinced of something and then voting for that?
“Elsewhere of your offerings, developments in small intermediate “states” contain no lessons for world-historic, globally-pivotal polities such as Greater Judea.”
None of my examples are valid? Then consider that most of the colonies of the world have gained their sovereignty through independence movements. Could not Puerto Rico get its independence tomorrow if the population voted for that in a referendum? Nations have been splitting off from each other and forming new entities since the days of the Sumerians. Also, consider the fact that it is not necessary to formally secede. It is enough to have regional autonomy (control of borders, citizenship and certain laws). There are many autonomous areas similar to this around the world.
“Ah, much “would have” and “could have”. Our requirement was for examples of *success*, more often than not.” Assuming that no previous example of secession meets your strict qualifications, there is still no real reason why it could not be done, no barrier preventing this.
“As if your tiny North Dakotan refuge, territorially contiguous with the State in question, in the modern era of communication, transportation, and weaponry, is to enjoy the separatist prospects of the gigantic, globally-remote, old English colonies. I’m *slightly* surprised that you would resort to this silly example.”
Dont be surprised, I have a well-stocked arsenal of silly ideas where that one came from. Note that this is just one scenario, simplified for the purpose of illustration. A more thorough plan would involve hijacking a state over a period of time, and using planned strategy to provoke the federal government into committing errors that helped to gather support and ignite a wider movement. What you have not taken into account is the opportunity that lies in the future for separation. Are you not aware that this nation is on a path to bankruptcy and strife? Our current mild recession is a small taste of what lies ahead once the baby boomers retire. This will create the fertile soil where a real secession movement can grow and thrive.
“LOL. Does “Kennedy assassination” or “WACO” ring any bells?” Lets assume that the Judeo-elite was responsible for Kennedy’s assassination. Was this unnoticed by the public? There was outrage, it was not an acceptable act. The perpetrators could get away with it a few times, but the public would not put up with a government campaign of this type. Look at the reaction to the US torture campaign: it shook the Bush presidency. This kind of thing is very difficult to keep quiet. Regarding WACO, its an example of the difficulty the government has in shutting down secessionists. The standoff lasted for months, and cost huge sums. It was also a public relations disaster for Clinton, a few such incidents could have brought down his presidency. It led to the Oklahoma City bombing, and energized many gun owners. If the US attempted to repeat that fiasco a few times, it would have millions of angry voters marching in the streets, demanding accountability.
“How many lawyers do you know personally? Have you been to law school?” It is true that people in high places evade the law at times. But overall, the laws do hold. Nixon was impeached, in more recent cases Scooter Libby ended up in prison, there are a number of other relatively high ranking politicians in prison at the moment (especially those from Alaska). The two main political parties keep an eagle eye out for the other’s wrongdoings, to gain advantage.
“We didnt see kidnapping, assassinations, wallings-in or other interference with Quebec’s independence movement, neither do we see that in other existing European independence movements.
Because none have succeeded and are important and are the parallel of what you envision.” Canada had announced that if the Quebec secession had succeeded, it would abide by that referendum. There were times when polling suggested the voters would support the move. If the birthrate of the French Canadians had been just a tad higher a few decades earlier, or if a better public relations campaign had been waged, it would have succeeded. Just because it fizzled does not negate the importance of this example: it shows that this type of scenario is very possible.
“Did I say “dropping”? It appears that others who are monitoring this discussion appreciate, based upon past episodes, that the *planting* of devices as part of false-flag operations is quite do-able - in *any* part of the world.” The fact that this has not happened to date indicates the low probability of such an event. This is an extremely high-risk strategy for a group to engage in, and not something that can be easily explained away. Nukes get everyone’s attention, including foreign intelligence, who will want to know the facts behind the matter (if a group got away with this, it would be a direct threat to China’s and Russia’s security, for example).
I didnt even know you had a blog. Whats the link?
Click on the pseudonym “NeoNietzsche,” above any of my comments, to be taken to the “superhuman” blog.
Up to the present I have been trying to figure out what your ideas were. Its kind of like a Sudoku puzzle, you have to fit all the little clues together in the attempt to form a bigger picture.
Which is why the blog exists - to piece together the puzzle of Nietzsche’s ideas.
I think that you just have a world view that doesn’t quite align with the reality of most people.
The reality of most people is one of faith in that which is not - as you ought to know, as one whose “specialty” is psychology.
Everything you say probably makes perfect sense in the frame of your reality, but if that is a little skewed, it will make the output problematic.
So, we are agreed that my worldview is coherent. We just need to check on its correspondence with reality.
“But this is not a democracy” I guess that you mean this is not a democracy in the sense that the powers that be have the ability to influence the masses in whichever way they want to.
That - and also that other devices are applicable. Like monopolizing the choice of candidates, killing those that don’t work out, monkeying with vote tallies, etc.
While media campaigns can influence the vote to a great extent, I don’t think it is reasonable to consider normal people to be mindless cattle that are just “plugged into the matrix”.
When you are able to altogether step outside it yourself, you might have another perspective.
“your generalization has no basis in prior experience.”
Regarding a part of the country voting itself out of the Union, what law of physics, thermodynamics or politics that prevents people from being convinced of something and then voting for that?
Your premises are not coherent. But let’s assume that you mean “convinced of the desirability of *secession*” Have you heard of the Supreme Court of the United States? It has a habit of frustrating the will of the people, all around the country - on the basis of convenient interpretations or inventions of law, regarding which they are the final authority. The people can vote and legislate all they want, but if the SCUSA is agin it, it won’t happen, legally.
“Elsewhere of your offerings, developments in small intermediate “states” contain no lessons for world-historic, globally-pivotal polities such as Greater Judea.”
None of my examples are valid?
None meet all three requirements of success, importance, and comparability.
Then consider that most of the colonies of the world have gained their sovereignty through independence movements.
In areas remote from relatively small European states, intruding upon prehistoric natives - long ago.
Could not Puerto Rico get its independence tomorrow if the population voted for that in a referendum?
That depends upon many things - particularly the ideological complexion of the sponsoring organization.
Nations have been splitting off from each other and forming new entities since the days of the Sumerians.
And being reacquired and dissolved.
Also, consider the fact that it is not necessary to formally secede. It is enough to have regional autonomy (control of borders, citizenship and certain laws). There are many autonomous areas similar to this around the world.
No difference, as far as the opposition is concerned. And as I have pointed out, the problem will eventually cure itself, from their point of view. Have you noticed Wiki and Junghans writing about the chronic incapacity of Whites for self-administration?
“Ah, much “would have” and “could have”. Our requirement was for examples of *success*, more often than not.”
Assuming that no previous example of secession meets your strict qualifications, there is still no real reason why it could not be done, no barrier preventing this.
The reason it has not been done is that it violates the laws of political economy, wherein the Iron Law of Oligarchy gives an insuperable advantage to an interest that has one, over an opposition that does not. See the Spartacus revolt and the White Russian resistance to the Bolsheviks for an illustration of the principle.
“As if your tiny North Dakotan refuge, territorially contiguous with the State in question, in the modern era of communication, transportation, and weaponry, is to enjoy the separatist prospects of the gigantic, globally-remote, old English colonies. I’m *slightly* surprised that you would resort to this silly example.”
Dont be surprised, I have a well-stocked arsenal of silly ideas where that one came from. Note that this is just one scenario, simplified for the purpose of illustration. A more thorough plan would involve hijacking a state over a period of time, and using planned strategy to provoke the federal government into committing errors that helped to gather support and ignite a wider movement.
Gonna put one over on the Jews, eh?
What you have not taken into account is the opportunity that lies in the future for separation. Are you not aware that this nation is on a path to bankruptcy and strife? Our current mild recession is a small taste of what lies ahead once the baby boomers retire. This will create the fertile soil where a real secession movement can grow and thrive.
I had no idea. Where is my couch? [Hand to forehead, NN elegantly collapses in a faint.]
“LOL. Does “Kennedy assassination” or “WACO” ring any bells?”
Lets assume that the Judeo-elite was responsible for Kennedy’s assassination. Was this unnoticed by the public? There was outrage, it was not an acceptable act. The perpetrators could get away with it a few times, but the public would not put up with a government campaign of this type. Look at the reaction to the US torture campaign: it shook the Bush presidency. This kind of thing is very difficult to keep quiet.
Doesn’t matter - the public’s knowledge has no effect - this is not a democracy.
Regarding WACO, its an example of the difficulty the government has in shutting down secessionists. The standoff lasted for months, and cost huge sums. It was also a public relations disaster for Clinton, a few such incidents could have brought down his presidency. It led to the Oklahoma City bombing, and energized many gun owners. If the US attempted to repeat that fiasco a few times, it would have millions of angry voters marching in the streets, demanding accountability.
“Doesn’t matter - the public’s knowledge has no effect - this is not a democracy.”
“How many lawyers do you know personally? Have you been to law school?”
It is true that people in high places evade the law at times. But overall, the laws do hold. Nixon was impeached, in more recent cases Scooter Libby ended up in prison, there are a number of other relatively high ranking politicians in prison at the moment (especially those from Alaska). The two main political parties keep an eagle eye out for the other’s wrongdoings, to gain advantage.
And how is the agenda of the Permanent Secret Government affected by their having to substitute one stooge for another?
If the birthrate of the French Canadians had been just a tad higher a few decades earlier, or if a better public relations campaign had been waged, it would have succeeded. Just because it fizzled does not negate the importance of this example: it shows that this type of scenario is very possible.
In Canada, where it doesn’t matter and where you are not intruding and where an execrable ideological agenda is not involved.
“Did I say “dropping”? It appears that others who are monitoring this discussion appreciate, based upon past episodes, that the *planting* of devices as part of false-flag operations is quite do-able - in *any* part of the world.”
The fact that this has not happened to date indicates the low probability of such an event.
Seems you need some 9/11 “truth”.
This is an extremely high-risk strategy for a group to engage in, and not something that can be easily explained away.
You would think. But crude impostures, insulting the intelligence of attentive observers, were a regular feature of the “collapse” of the USSR and the collapse of the WTC structures.
Nukes get everyone’s attention, including foreign intelligence, who will want to know the facts behind the matter (if a group got away with this, it would be a direct threat to China’s and Russia’s security, for example).
And what are they going to do about it? Nothing. Knowing and doing are two different things.
So, we are agreed that my worldview is coherent. We just need to check on its correspondence with reality.” Exactly, your ideas are certainly coherent. From what I can see, you are attempting to piece together information and theories from a wide variety of sources and disciplines to create a sythesized whole. Your project reminds me a little of Chris Langan’s attempt to create a synthesis of all human knowledge (http://www.ctmu.org/), he is the guy with an IQ of 195, apparently. Its a pretty difficult task, especially because many theories disagree with each other (Newton’s Laws versus Relativity Theory, for example). Its probably something that is beyond the capacity of even the most intelligent.
I think that as you are widely read, you have gained a thorough understanding of many of the processes that are behind world events. However, I think you may have overlooked some things. Although I dont have any higher degrees in education to impress anyone with, it is possible that even the humblest of us can sometimes see things that the Wise have missed.
All of us have a paradigm, which represents our view of the world and where everything fits in. If someone else offers information that is not consistent with that paradigm, our immediate reaction is usually to throw out that unassimilable information, which we do reflexively and without much contemplation. You have implied that you are open minded, and I will therefore hope that you will give what I have to say some consideration, in the hope that we can patch a small defect in your world view. However, before I can do that, I need to understand where we differ. In the hope of discovering this, I am going to present you with a basic description of how I see the political world working. If you have the patience, you can critique this, to show me where I have gone astray.
First, lets start at the beginning, with the basic element of the White human world, the White human. Whites’ IQ is 100 of course, but it is not accurate to describe them as mindless cattle. Jews are one standard deviation about Whites in IQ, but this does not make them as superior to Whites as Whites are to Negroes. The difference between an IQ of 85 and 100 is much greater than that between 100 and 115, just as an IQ of 145 is not vastly superior to an IQ of 130. The IQ-100 individuals can easily hold down a fairly well-paying job, pay the mortgage and understand important concepts (IQ-85 individuals have great difficulty with those tasks). Average IQ individuals are also surrounded by a cadre of more intelligent types, and are influenced by them on a daily basis.
Moving on, every human is born as pretty much a blank slate, and depends on what he is taught taught to determine his views of the world, what group he belongs to, and so forth. Once reaching adulthood, he is not easily converted to another belief system. Most Americans are brought up to have a basic morality, such as not telling lies, being kind to others, etc., and are not easily led to commit acts that violate that code. You can imagine that the vast majority of people would have great difficulty forcing themselves to shoot a non-threatening dog for no good reason, and would feel remorse about such a deed afterwards. Your average voter is appalled by events or situations seen as unfair or morally wrong, and will usually vote against those that perpetrate them. It is therefore difficult to get a normal politician on board with an extreme act (such as committing a false flag involving the deaths of innocents), or bringing them into a larger secretive group that would plan such acts - especially as its is hard for people to keep their mouths shut about something for an extended period (this is not to say that such conspiracies do not exist, just that they are not common).
Next, lets talk about how the world is organized. In our human world, we have are several billion beings, which are organized politically at different levels. There is a complex web of organization at different levels, including various groups, associations, political parties and coalitions, from the neighborhood type to the local government type to those at the national and international levels. Each human being and organization is attempting to pursue its own interests, many competing with each other or finding common cause. We have the Association of Potato Farmers seeking expanded water rights, pro-life groups seeking to influence judge nominations, retirees seeking greater benefits, and a vast array of tens of thousands of others, each pushing its own agenda and working towards various goals. This is a very complex system, where flux and change are constant. Political theory helps in understanding certain aspects of it, but the system itself defies man’s ability to represent the whole theoretically. Its more of a big, chaotic, unpredictable churning soup of people, groups and events.
Next, lets look at individuals in the lower echelons of power (neighborhood and local government). In the US, these officials are usually honest in their dealings. I have never been asked for a bribe by a government worker, and those who commit crimes in our society have a fairly good chance of eventually being caught and prosecuted. If you went to your local political party office, you will probably find a generally honest person in charge. He typically isnt “in the know” of any larger conspiracies, and probably has idealistic notions about government (the pay isnt that great at this level). These are the people who usually certify the vote in elections (including national ones).
Next, lets look at the governing elite (that we know about). I am assuming that the elite consists of major state and national government officials (state legislature, governors, congressmen) as well as the higher ups in major political parties and special interest groups. The governing elite is constantly changing and shifting with each election cycle, as the political parties vie for support. Every event is taken advantage of to make the other side look bad. These people generally arise from the local level. A local guy gets elected as city councilman, then becomes mayor or state representative, then runs for higher office such as congressman. In the process, candidates often do have to cater to special interests and compromise themselves. National groups also have a lot of say in the process, and will carefully vet candidates and block those that are seen as unsuitable. There is corruption in the sense of taking special interest money and benefits in exchange for political support. However, the majority of the elite at this level are still usually normal people, who continue to have the sense of morality ingrained from childhood. They are typically part of any larger conspiracy. Lets look at an example. The recently elected Scott Brown is not the scion of an elite family, coming instead from a fairly normal background. He had to make deals with whatever special interests exist in his state, but he didnt “sell his soul” to them. He is probably basically someone who enjoys all of the attention and influence that accrues to a Senator. His campaign was (at least to his knowledge) not backed by a hidden group, he just found a way to appeal to enough voters in a time when they were angry at the Obama administration. Scott Brown is probably typical of conservative republican types (a loosely applied term), who feel that they are fighting for the American Way against “liberals”. If I was to randomly pick out some Republican senator from a red state, we would probably find a generally honest guy who, although compelled to serve the special interests in his territory, is not a secret supporter of a Judaic world government (though he would probably be pro-Zionist). It is true that all national figures must pass inspection by AIPAC and other groups, but the candidates are not converted into slaves; the influence of special groups remains limited.
We also of course need to mention the media. Others have documented the heavy Jewish influence here, in Hollywood, the news and entertainment. There are sophisticated methods used to form opinions, which begin at a young age. However, there are limits to the influence of media. An advertising campaign can persuade an additional 3% of the market to change its toothpaste, but usually not cause people to extreme acts such as jump off a cliff.
Now lets look at the Jewish influence that is in the open. There is a large constellation of associations containing every variety under the sun of politicians, activists, advocates, watchdogs, all with large probosci and beady eyes. Supposedly Jews supply 70% the funding for Democrats, and 50% of the funding for Republicans. Jews are to be found occupying many high-level political party positions, positions in administrations, advisorships as well as a fair share of congressional seats. Groups such as AIPAC dictate much of US foreign policy, and are very influential in other areas. However, this is not a case of complete domination, as its not easy for the 2% to steer the other 98%. The funds sent to Israel are a small part of the overall budget. Attempts to encourage the US to attack Iran have been unsuccessful. The Jews tend to concentrate their influence on a limited number of vital topics, such as Israel and immigration. Your average Jew is socialist, and looking out for “whats good for the Jews”, and supports the anti-White initiatives that Kevin MacDonald explains. However, your average Jew is not part of any larger conspiracy. They have a high rate of intermarriage, and even some big cheeses like Edgar Bronfman Jr. have out-married (to a black in his case), as well as Rupert.
Lets look at the shadow elite. I have read about 9/11, the art students (including those apparently monitoring Atta), the moving company, the suspicious reaction of the air defenses, the Israeli airport security, steel melting at low temperature, evidence of steel-cutting explosives, insurance deals, etc. This is alarming stuff. While I would really like to see a real investigation, it seems too early to conclude that this was a false-flag operation, but lets assume that it was one, perpetrated by a Judeo-elite. The Kennedy assassination is equally suspicious, with Oswald consorting with Jews in the Soviet Union, then returning to deal with other Jews here (Ruby), and knowing where to be when the motorcade passed by (not to mention the autopsy). Lets also assume that this was also an action of the Judeo elite. For the purpose of this discussion, I will assume that there is a Judaic conspiracy formed at some time in the past, that gained significant ground with the rise of the Rothschilds, that helped to foment world wars, and plans to create a new World Order centered in Jerusalem, to subjugate the “human cattle/goy” spoken of in the Talmud. Certainly a number of founders of Israel wrote about this, so its not too far-fetched. Lets also assume that currently this organization is heavily funded (over $1 Trillion in Rothschild assets).
Those are the main ingredients in the system as I see them. If you would kindly deign to tell me where I am wrong, it will allow me to understand your position better. In the off chance that I have identified anything correctly, it will allow me to discuss how the system works and draw conclusions that might be of service in repairing a perceived problem with your world view.
“…Jews are one standard deviation about Whites in IQ, but this does not make them as superior to Whites as Whites are to Negroes. …”
Just to let you know, I get what your saying, however the ‘White’ (ashkenazi) Jewish IQ is not a full standard deviation above the ‘mean’ IQ average of the heterogeneous White population of America — it has rather been readjusted to approximately 1/2 a standard deviation, i.e. around 107-109.
The ‘115′ score was from one, and an older, of about ten published IQ studies on estimations of Ashkenazi, rather than ‘Jewish’ intelligence. Of course Jews cite it over all others.
Also, there are other White sub-groups who score high in IQ as well, though you rarely hear about them. Wonder why?
Your project reminds me a little of Chris Langan’s attempt to create a synthesis of all human knowledge (http://www.ctmu.org/), he is the guy with an IQ of 195, apparently. Its a pretty difficult task, especially because many theories disagree with each other (Newton’s Laws versus Relativity Theory, for example). Its probably something that is beyond the capacity of even the most intelligent.
I accept that you are reminded, but let me point out that you have a misconception of Langan’s questionable “contribution”.
His is not a “synthesis” of knowledge - it is not synthetic in any respect. He has devoted much effort to a mere “framework” for knowledge that is explicitly tautological and which is yet to offer anything of value. It would not be applicable to a resolution of any question in physics or any other discipline.
In a true showing of the vigor of even the most murky genepools within the White race, some hillbilly named Jimbo already went and created a damn good repository of global knowledge.
First, lets start at the beginning, with the basic element of the White human world, the White human. Whites’ IQ is 100 of course, but it is not accurate to describe them as mindless cattle.
I have to disagree.
The IQ to which you refer merely characterizes vocational/technical aptitude.
Many a genius, measured by this yardstick, is a social/ethical idiot.
In fact it seems that technical IQ and social IQ are inversely related.
I have found that reduction of central *social* issues to their most basic elements, for purposes of explanation, is uniformly met with bovine expressions of incomprehension.
And one could put this down to a profound lack of any introduction to the analysis of the phenomena in question - as if one were speaking to a four-year-old, yet to be instructed in counting his fingers and toes, about putting little boxes under curves (calculus).
But what condemns the goyim to a likening to cattle is their profound lack of curiosity about that which they don’t understand.
They are content with comforting little fairy tales. It would be kinder to refer to them thus as children (of whom one takes care). But Jewry, of course, understandably and appropriately refers to them as cattle, to be exploited and eliminated.
It is therefore difficult to get a normal politician on board with an extreme act…
You need to stop with the question begging. You have not established that a “normal politician” is a normal person according to your prior analysis. Indeed, the presumption would seem to be otherwise, both in theory and as suggested by the history of the subornation of politicians who get elected locally on one platform and pursue another when they get their heads turned in DC.
…(such as committing a false flag involving the deaths of innocents), or bringing them into a larger secretive group that would plan such acts - especially as it is hard for people to keep their mouths shut about something for an extended period (this is not to say that such conspiracies do not exist, just that they are not common).
But you grant that there is such a thing as a homicidal “false-flag operation” and a dark “conspiracy”. How do you account for the personnel who participate therein if you are not acknowledging exceptions to your rule about “normality”. And what is the basis for excluding politicians from this violation of your expectations.
Those are the main ingredients in the system as I see them. If you would kindly deign to tell me where I am wrong, it will allow me to understand your position better. In the off chance that I have identified anything [in-?]correctly, it will allow me to discuss how the system works and draw conclusions that might be of service in repairing a perceived problem with your world view.
I would have mentioned (in no particular order):
The Fed’s ownership of the Greater Judean money supply and the intrinsic “systemic” instability thereof.
The duality of, and tension in, historic Jewish objectives as between Judeo-Fascism and Judeo-Communism, reflected in the Greater Judean “system” and past policies.
The fact and success of the subterfuge involved in the “collapse” of Communism, allied to the success of promotion of the misconception of form-of-government as a moral/ethical issue.
The evident decline in quality of the “White” population since the fall of the Classical High Culture, such that the JQ is not merely an issue of manipulative Jewish evil-doing.
And what, if anything, of traditional superstition must be preserved in order to keep primitives such as “OldRight” in line, in any system that is otherwise aristocratically clear-eyed in defense of the nation against its cloaked enemies.
[If I think of something else, after this off-hand investigation of my memory, I'll comment further]
Also, Andrew - and most importantly - the question of “how the system works” is of secondary importance to the question of the identity and agenda of the Oligarchy that governs a polity.
“System” and form-of-government tend to correspond to, and most suitably serve, the true agendas of the oligarchs who employ state forms as the means toward their objectives.
There is no steady-state or ideal form of government/system - there is no oligarchical persistence without a unifying agenda and thus a teleology and evolution to state forms at the highest level.
You would prosper and be protected, to the best of its ability, under a dictatorship that had your interests in mind (Augustus Caesar/Hitler) - and would decline and disappear under a “democracy” (Greater Judea) intent upon your elimination. Don’t imagine that the general population of a large, post-tribal, political entity can, franchise-wise, choose the identity and agenda of its oligarchy. The form of government under which you proceed with your little life will be (effectively, if not cosmetically) a dictatorship (Lincoln/Wilson/FDR) or a polity of little consequence or character (Calvin Coolidge) as it suits the purposes of the elite.
“…a *public regime* of little consequence or character…”
Kulaks writes:
“…Sounds amazingly like it is describing modern-day ‘Amerikwa’ and ‘Amerikwans’ — doesn’t it?
DOESN’T IT?…”
It DO It DO
Great post! And every single one true–who’d a thunk it?
“…Consider some of these passages, and who possibly it could be speaking of and of whom it could realistically apply to….”
Another very good place to seek answers is the Talmud (is is any wonder it’s difficult for us to access?), which lays it all out, no question of Jewish hostility toward Gentiles.
Consider the following:
Only Jews are human. [Gentiles] are animals. (Baba Mezia 114a-114b)
Even the best of the [Gentiles] should be killed (Babylonian Talmud Abodah Zara 26b.)
If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there. (Moed Kattan 17a.).
Gentiles’ flesh is as the flesh of asses and whose issue is like the issue of horses.
Jews may use lies to circumvent a [Gentile]. (Baba Kamma 113a.)
What a Jew obtains by theft from a [Gentile] he may keep. (Sanhedrin 76a.)
Does anyone doubt the intentions of hostility of these hostile elites, what they’re doing to us and what they have in store for us: The complete destruction of Whites and Western Civilization.
Bon
I think we are getting somewhere with this discussion.
“In fact it seems that technical IQ and social IQ are inversely related.” Not necessarily, a lot of people I know have the twin advantages of being both antisocial bastards and mental nincompoops. Notwithstanding that though, your observation has merit.
“I have found that reduction of central *social* issues to their most basic elements, for purposes of explanation, is uniformly met with bovine expressions of incomprehension.” Huh? Wut?
“But what condemns the goyim to a likening to cattle is their profound lack of curiosity about that which they don’t understand.” Not wanting to spend too much time on this issue right now, a few observations are:
1) It is true that the vast majority of Whites are not informed about the JQ, dispossession, etc. Neither are most of them particularly interested in discussing it at this time. However, this does not mean that they are incapable of understanding these issues, or will not understand them in the future. The quality of the White genepool is substantially higher than that of Pakistan, for example. However, the Pakistanis are (I would guess) much more aware of the JQ, 9/11 Truth and a wide range of issues that are front and center for you. A major reason is that these issues are relevant to the Pakistanis (they affect the Muslim world), and there are media outlets which can discuss them openly. Most Whites are fat and happy right now, have only a faint inkling of the multicultural nightmare that awaits, and thus the issue has no relevancy yet (this is subject to change). Also, of course no respectable media outlet will touch these issues currently.
2) Whites are generally capable in their daily lives. They usually make reasonable choices when they have correct information available to them. When making important purchases, their decisions make sense more often than not. Most men can build their own home and maintain it, etc. Whites have displayed strong survival instincts in the past, and it can be assumed that these lie dormant currently, but are subject to awakening.
3) The majority of common Jews (not the higher-echelon leaders) have the high social IQ you mentioned, but have similar beliefs regarding social issues that have been ingrained into Whites. There is some cognitive dissonance with their own internal ethnocentrism and protection of apartheid Israel, but most Jews are true believers in multiculturalism. They do hope to create a utopia here, as their relatives hoped to do in the USSR. Would you also classify the majority of Jews as cattle too?
4) Jewish influence is tenuous, and they understand this very well. If you want to consider Whites as a “cattle”, there is a constant problem keeping the herd following orders, because there are about 7X as many IQ-115+ Whites as there are Jews in the US. Ross Perot’s campaign, the “Contract with America” and the “Tea Party” movement can be interpreted as White political reform movements that have arisen spontaneously and unpredictably, while being opposed by the media establishment.
5) Generally speaking, holders of higher office would have both high IQs (130+) and strong social skills, and it would be less accurate to describe them as cattle (though most of them are either unaware of a conspiracy or involved in it). This implies that the governing elites are capable of being awakened easier than the commons.
6) A little off the subject, going back a little to “Pitcairn II”, this is not something that we usually see in White communities (remember that the residents of Pitcairn were of mixed race). If you would review all of the examples of isolated settlements you can think of (Vikings, early Americas, Western Expansion, etc.), what we almost always find is that Whites do well in those types of circumstances. There are few incidents of post-Katrina armageddons.
“You need to stop with the question begging. You have not established that a “normal politician” is a normal person according to your prior analysis. Indeed, the presumption would seem to be otherwise, both in theory and as suggested by the history of the subornation of politicians who get elected locally on one platform and pursue another when they get their heads turned in DC.” When I say, “normal politician”, I am trying to suggest this is the case for “most White people” of that office. I think that just about all of such people are at least raised in “normal” environments, meaning that their parents teach them basic morality, which is reinforced in the schools they attend and generally by society during their formative years. I am assuming that you would generally agree, but believe that they are brought in to the Judeo-conspiracy at some point as they arise to higher office (that is, they are not groomed for this during childhood).
“But you grant that there is such a thing as a homicidal “false-flag operation” and a dark “conspiracy”.” I am not discounting either of these things. The USS Liberty was obviously an attempted false flag (confirmed by the NSA chief of the time). The former Italian Defense Minister recently exposed actual false flag operations committed by Italian secret service in the 1980s. He also was convinced that 9/11 was a false flag. I am also not suggesting that a Judeo-conspiracy is impossible. I am open to the idea. It would be helpful if you would explain how you envision politicians and other elite are brought into the Judeo-conspiracy, at what stage in their lives this typically happens.
“How do you account for the personnel who participate therein if you are not acknowledging exceptions to your rule about “normality”. And what is the basis for excluding politicians from this violation of your expectations.” I am not excluding all politicians (Dick Cheney is certainly a candidate for being in the conspiracy). I am saying that as I understand reality, most White politicians are not aware of or involved in the Judeo-conspiracy. This probably goes back to my view of human nature. Most politicians seem to be drawn to that field by the desire to change the world for the better (not all, some are probably corrupt from the beginning). As you know, most higher-ups start in local/state government positions, which have low pay (most state representative positions are part-time and have very little salary but require long hours). It is not easy to get a person to do something that goes against what he has been taught for his entire life. When a person violates these codes, he is often stricken by his conscience and/or insomnia. “Regular” people who commit murder often cannot stand the guilt, and walk in to confess to police. In addition, white children that would suffer in a Judeo-dominated world, and most people in higher office have families and children. In my mind, it is atypical for most parents to work against their children by knowingly participating in a conspiracy that would harm their future. Whites in particular love order, they obey laws when no one is around to catch them, and abhor bribery and crime (this is almost universal for Northern European nations). I believe these to be inherited traits, selected for through the millenia. In my opinion, this makes it difficult to corrupt your average White politician beyond standard graft and other common misdeeds. If you disagree, please expound on your view of human nature as it pertains to being corrupted to the extent of willingly joining the Judeo-conspiracy.
“Also, Andrew - and most importantly - the question of “how the system works” is of secondary importance to the question of the identity and agenda of the Oligarchy that governs a polity.” I agree with this. For those that argue there is a Judeo-conspiracy (meaning a hidden organization that is much larger than the JQ as described by Dr. MacDonald), the challenge is to present enough compelling evidence to make the case. Even assuming that the major events under discussion were Jewish conspiratorial events (WW2, Kennedy Assassination, 9/11, etc.), it is another matter to prove that they were all part of the same greater Judeo-conspiracy, which remains in existence today (by “prove”, I just mean to present convincing evidence).
After reading your blog, I am not able to find much information that specifies your beliefs about the Judeo-conspiracy. It would be helpful if you would briefly summarize:
1) Its history as known or conjectured.
2) Information about its perceived structure and organization.
3) Who is believed to be involved at present.
4) What would cause a “normal” White person with ambitions for higher office to join a conspiracy that ultimately plans to enslave his kind?
Does anyone doubt the intentions of hostility of these hostile elites, what they’re doing to us and what they have in store for us: The complete destruction of Whites and Western Civilization.
Bon
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Yes Bon, the destruction of the true Israelites and their civilization — since Western Civilization is modern-day Israel.
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Genesis 17: 2-7 & 22:17-18 — New International Version
Again Bon, what other civilization and race of People could the Bible be referring to other than Western Civilization and it’s role in shaping the world as we know it today — especially the constant references to ‘many nations’ and ‘company of nations’ — and ‘all the nations of the earth will be blessed’ because of Their Covenant and obedience to the Lord?
Of which now we are being severly punished for -
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Deuteronomy 28:15, 45, 47, 58-59, 62
Well, if I was God I suppose I’d be very angry at Westerners, for so many reasons.
1) It is true that the vast majority of Whites are not informed about the JQ, dispossession, etc. Neither are most of them particularly interested in discussing it at this time. However, this does not mean that they are incapable of understanding these issues, or will not understand them in the future.
It means that they will understand them when it’s too late to do anything about it - kind of like the cow that has some dim sense that something is wrong on that final day when its head is entrapped for penetration with a pneumatic hammer.
The quality of the White genepool is substantially higher than that of Pakistan, for example. However, the Pakistanis are (I would guess) much more aware of the JQ, 9/11 Truth and a wide range of issues that are front and center for you.
Quality? By what measure? Vocational aptitude aligned with bovine complicity in one’s extermination? Sounds to me like the Paki’s have the better combination of qualities.
A major reason is that these issues are relevant to the Pakistanis (they affect the Muslim world), and there are media outlets which can discuss them openly. Most Whites are fat and happy right now, have only a faint inkling of the multicultural nightmare that awaits, and thus the issue has no relevancy yet (this is subject to change).
Whites were not “fat and happy” amidst the Great Depression and the run-up to the War to Save Communism. Yet their comprehension of the bases of the contemporary disorder was as contemptible as that which characterizes the circumstance today.
2) Whites are generally capable in their daily lives. They usually make reasonable choices when they have correct information available to them. When making important purchases, their decisions make sense more often than not. Most men can build their own home and maintain it, etc. Whites have displayed strong survival instincts in the past, and it can be assumed that these lie dormant currently, but are subject to awakening.
This citation of individualistic virtues is valid but irrelevant.
3) The majority of common Jews (not the higher-echelon leaders) have the high social IQ you mentioned, but have similar beliefs regarding social issues that have been ingrained into Whites. There is some cognitive dissonance with their own internal ethnocentrism and protection of apartheid Israel, but most Jews are true believers in multiculturalism. They do hope to create a utopia here, as their relatives hoped to do in the USSR. Would you also classify the majority of Jews as cattle too?
Yes, but to a much lesser extent. When I speak of “the Jews,” reference to elite, oligarchic, international Jewry is implied.
4) Jewish influence is tenuous, and they understand this very well. If you want to consider Whites as a “cattle”, there is a constant problem keeping the herd following orders, because there are about 7X as many IQ-115+ Whites as there are Jews in the US.
Again, you apply the incorrect standard. The vocational/technical IQ is not pertinent as other than contra-indicative. Such deviation from the Judeo-fascist and/or Judeo-Communist agendas as has been demonstrated has been inconsequential, and is not a matter of “following orders” but of adhering to attitudes.
Ross Perot’s campaign, the “Contract with America” and the “Tea Party” movement can be interpreted as White political reform movements that have arisen spontaneously and unpredictably, while being opposed by the media establishment.
Pathetic.
5) Generally speaking, holders of higher office would have both high IQs (130+) and strong social skills, and it would be less accurate to describe them as cattle (though most of them are either unaware of a conspiracy or involved in it). This implies that the governing elites are capable of being awakened easier than the commons.
Again, wrong yardstick. And neither are “strong social skills,” in the sense of inter-personal adroitness, that with which we are concerned. Thus, to the contrary, “the governing elites,” if not informed by impressive personal experience as to the true state of affairs, are the *least* likely to surrender a material and emotional interest in their illusions.
6) A little off the subject, going back a little to “Pitcairn II”, this is not something that we usually see in White communities (remember that the residents of Pitcairn were of mixed race).
(Remember that the proposed intruders are strangers to one another and to the resident population.)
If you would review all of the examples of isolated settlements you can think of (Vikings, early Americas, Western Expansion, etc.), what we almost always find is that Whites do well in those types of circumstances.
Not where 200,000+ individuals and geographic confinement are involved.
When I say, “normal politician”, I am trying to suggest this is the case for “most White people” of that office.
You have not shown that the representative politician is a representative person. A presumption to the contrary seems reasonable.
I think that just about all of such people are at least raised in “normal” environments, meaning that their parents teach them basic morality, which is reinforced in the schools they attend and generally by society during their formative years..
Does instruction in “basic morality” embrace convenience with the truth (lying) for a living?
I am assuming that you would generally agree, but believe that they are brought in to the Judeo-conspiracy at some point as they arise to higher office (that is, they are not groomed for this during childhood).
I would say that childhood instruction is irrelevant to the issue, and that those who are identified as most convenient with the truth and/or inclined to alignment with the oligarchic agenda are selected for introduction to inner circles.
I am also not suggesting that a Judeo-conspiracy is impossible. I am open to the idea. It would be helpful if you would explain how you envision politicians and other elite are brought into the Judeo-conspiracy, at what stage in their lives this typically happens.
It’s not clear why this is important, and I do not have a sense of the existence of an operators’ manual for the coordination and corruption of goyische politicians. You might consult a conspiracy theorist on the point with better result.
However, we do know of the introduction of Louis Howe into the mature FDR household for Communist indoctrination of F.D. and Eleanor. I believe I read that Wilson was marked as a prime stooge when professing at Princeton. D.D. Eisenhower was just a whore, advertising his wares in the Roosevelt district, according to Robert Welch. And Jimmy Carter, when governing Georgia, sent Bert Lance to pimp-roll into David Rockefeller’s offices one day when he was feeling that he had the ass of the requisite class.
What I have read of others, in passing, amounts to little more than suspicions.
I am saying that as I understand reality, most White politicians are not aware of or involved in the Judeo-conspiracy.
I would agree.
Most politicians seem to be drawn to that field by the desire to change the world for the better (not all, some are probably corrupt from the beginning).
A questionable generalization that I would not rely upon in support of a further thesis.
It is not easy to get a person to do something that goes against what he has been taught for his entire life. When a person violates these codes, he is often stricken by his conscience and/or insomnia. “Regular” people who commit murder often cannot stand the guilt, and walk in to confess to police.
Your analysis fails to distinguish between individual (personal) and collective (impersonal) acts.
In addition, white children that would suffer in a Judeo-dominated world, and most people in higher office have families and children. In my mind, it is atypical for most parents to work against their children by knowingly participating in a conspiracy that would harm their future.
You have not shown that a “knowing” is involved. The intellectual miasma and confusion created by ideology, short-term benefits, and the unforeseeability of long-term consequences allow moderns to earnestly believe in the virtue of any collective enterprise that suits them.
Whites in particular love order, they obey laws when no one is around to catch them, and abhor bribery and crime (this is almost universal for Northern European nations). I believe these to be inherited traits, selected for through the millenia. In my opinion, this makes it difficult to corrupt your average White politician beyond standard graft and other common misdeeds. If you disagree, please expound on your view of human nature as it pertains to being corrupted to the extent of willingly joining the Judeo-conspiracy.
No one “willingly joins the Judeo-conspiracy *as such*”. I recommend reading about the organization of the Illuminati. One is honored, rather than corrupted, by being introduced to, and placed in the service of, the inner circles of occult power. Those of common virtue who are excluded are *envious* of the Elect.
For those that argue there is a Judeo-conspiracy (meaning a hidden organization that is much larger than the JQ as described by Dr. MacDonald), the challenge is to present enough compelling evidence to make the case. Even assuming that the major events under discussion were Jewish conspiratorial events (WW2, Kennedy Assassination, 9/11, etc.), it is another matter to prove that they were all part of the same greater Judeo-conspiracy, which remains in existence today (by “prove”, I just mean to present convincing evidence).
It is not evident why this must be demonstrated. The effect is the same, whatever is in the black box.
After reading your blog, I am not able to find much information that specifies your beliefs about the Judeo-conspiracy. It would be helpful if you would briefly summarize:
1) Its history as known or conjectured.
2) Information about its perceived structure and organization.
3) Who is believed to be involved at present.
4) What would cause a “normal” White person with ambitions for higher office to join a conspiracy that ultimately plans to enslave his kind?
1-2-3: I don’t know, don’t think it can be known with confidence, nor think it of much importance. “4″ is discussed, above.
What *is* important is that White’s grow up, in which case the “Judeo-conspiracy” - whatever its 1/2/3 - won’t matter *at all*.
I still think we are getting somewhere with this.
“It means that they will understand them when it’s too late to do anything about it - kind of like the cow that has some dim sense that something is wrong on that final day when its head is entrapped for penetration with a pneumatic hammer.” It will be 40 years until Whites reach minority status in the US. By the end of the century, Whites will still be around 25% of the population. This timeline suggests that there is plenty of time for an awakening to occur.
“Quality? By what measure? Vocational aptitude aligned with bovine complicity in one’s extermination? Sounds to me like the Paki’s have the better combination of qualities.” The higher quality of the White genepool is evidenced by intelligence tests, academic performance and such measures. But most telling is the level of civilization each is capable of, shown by history. However, of course you already know all of this, and I suspect your comment stems from frustration about Whites’ current complacency in the face of displacement, rather than a real disagreement.
“Whites were not “fat and happy” amidst the Great Depression and the run-up to the War to Save Communism. Yet their comprehension of the bases of the contemporary disorder was as contemptible as that which characterizes the circumstance today.” The Great Depression did result in a lot of unrest. There were violent strikes and protests, as well as racial strife. During the period, something like 1 million Mexicans were deported, even though over half of them were probably citizens. Figures like Father Coughlin, an anti-semite, were very popular and influential. This implies that economic hardship increases racial awareness and strife.
“This citation of individualistic virtues is valid but irrelevant.” In my mind, it is relevant for the prospects of a future awakening. A lesser capable people would be very difficult to awaken, such as Mestizos or Aborigines. If Pakistanis had been brainwashed for generations, it would be much more difficult to awaken them, as they exhibit inferior decision-making and comprehension abilities.
“Again, you apply the incorrect standard. The vocational/technical IQ is not pertinent as other than contra-indicative. Such deviation from the Judeo-fascist and/or Judeo-Communist agendas as has been demonstrated has been inconsequential, and is not a matter of “following orders” but of adhering to attitudes.” I will assume that a big part of your “Social IQ” relates to natural ethnocentricity and opposition to foreigners. I will note that I wouldnt expect other races to do any better under the media bombardment than Whites have. I am not aware that Asian Americans are less indoctrinated (blacks may be, but are relatively useless as a force against Jewry due to cognitive and behavioral factors).
“You have not shown that the representative politician is a representative person. A presumption to the contrary seems reasonable.” I think a possible problem here is an overly cynical view of politicians. The question at hand is what percentage of the elite political class is involved in a Judeo-conspiracy. This is relevant for determining who the enemy is, the probability of an awakening, and what White preservation scenario has the greatest chance of success.
“I would say that childhood instruction is irrelevant to the issue, and that those who are identified as most convenient with the truth and/or inclined to alignment with the oligarchic agenda are selected for introduction to inner circles.” In my understanding of reality, each political party seeks to find a candidate that has the greatest chance of being elected. In Scott Brown’s example, we have what appears to be a dark horse candidate who came from nowhere to win. It is difficult to conceive that most such candidates are anything more than they appear to be, which are ambitious individuals that want to further their political ideology.
“I am also not suggesting that a Judeo-conspiracy is impossible. I am open to the idea. It would be helpful if you would explain how you envision politicians and other elite are brought into the Judeo-conspiracy, at what stage in their lives this typically happens. It’s not clear why this is important, and I do not have a sense of the existence of an operators’ manual for the coordination and corruption of goyische politicians.” This is important for attempting to determine the likelihood of there being a Judeo-conspiracy, and if so, how far the conspiracy extends. We are in the position of attempting to compare our knowledge of human nature and behavior with the requirements of persuading individuals to join a conspiracy and remain loyal to it. Note that a whistleblower who could successfully reveal such a conspiracy would receive instant world-wide fame and a lucrative book deal.
“It is not evident why this must be demonstrated. The effect is the same, whatever is in the black box.” There are two possible explanations for the JQ that can be considered:
1) Dr. MacDonald’s Thesis: As you are aware, this states that Jews have a group evolutionary strategy, and are attempting to out-compete and displace Whites. In this case, the false flag operations, etc. were ad hoc conspiracies generally unrelated to each other (ie, the Kennedy assassins were not related to the 9/11 architects, assuming both were Jewish conspiracies). In other words, Jews form conspiracies to further their interests, but there is no permanent secretive organization. The White Goyim are to be displaced to the degree that they cannot pose a future threat to Jews (another Holocaust is made impossible, because the US will have no majority race). However, there is no coordinated plan for world domination.
2) A Greater Judeo-Conspiracy: This would be your theory. There is a secretive organization with deep roots in the past, and a complex underground organization with vast resources, which is working to carry out a diabolical plan, with designs on creating a world government, and enslaving/exterminating the Goyim.
If you wish to convince others that your theory is the correct one, then it would be best if you provided compelling evidence. I am not asking you to write a book, but it would certainly be useful for those of us who are interested in your ideas if you would briefly point out important points that would make the case for a greater Judeo-conspiracy. Obviously there must be more than you have presented to me thus far, as the evidence has been sufficient to convince you of the conspiracy’s existence. So far, you have talked a little about the Illuminati and the communist indoctrination of several presidents. What else should someone who is interested know? There are numerous books on the subject, which are generally contradictory in nature, and do not form a cohesive whole.
It will be 40 years until Whites reach minority status in the US. By the end of the century, Whites will still be around 25% of the population. This timeline suggests that there is plenty of time for an awakening to occur.
Yes it does. Unfortunately, it’s not the pertinent one. Please give close attention the the post, “Law, Ethics, Morality: Pretense and Illusion”.
The higher quality of the White gene pool is evidenced by intelligence tests, academic performance and such measures. But most telling is the level of civilization each is capable of, shown by history.
You are a serial offender. Now *two* questions begged in one paragraph.
IQ/academic performance, as we see and complain, will get you exterminated for lack of martial qualities, instincts, and common sense. And “history,” closely investigated, leaves a question mark as to the “level of civilization” reached by Whites when a Spenglerian-comparable analysis is performed and the pathological/exceptional aspects of the “West” are considered therein.
The Great Depression did result in a lot of unrest. There were violent strikes and protests, as well as racial strife. During the period, something like 1 million Mexicans were deported, even though over half of them were probably citizens. Figures like Father Coughlin, an anti-semite, were very popular and influential. This implies that economic hardship increases racial awareness and strife.
To no greater effect and understanding than today, and under much greater stimulus thereto than is the “fat and happy [and stupid]” circumstance of your own description. Obviously we have no hope in reliance upon *this* principle.
A lesser capable people would be very difficult to awaken, such as Mestizos or Aborigines. If Pakistanis had been brainwashed for generations, it would be much more difficult to awaken them, as they exhibit inferior decision-making and comprehension abilities.
My reckoning is exactly the opposite, aside from your third offense, in assuming your conclusion with regard to the Pakis.
I will assume that a big part of your “Social IQ” relates to natural ethnocentricity and opposition to foreigners.
That is an element but is not of the essence - which is the ability to *comprehend* social phenomena.
I will note that I wouldn’t expect other races to do any better under the media bombardment than Whites have.
You fail to apprehend and account for the responsibility of White’s for their vulnerability and submission to this propaganda in the first place.
I think a possible problem here is an overly cynical view of politicians. The question at hand is what percentage of the elite political class is involved in a Judeo-conspiracy.
I think that we are agreed that it is a small one in terms of actual service. But you seem not to have taken the point that most of the balance acquiesce in what they see, from the outside, as a prestigious and virtuous enterprise.
This is relevant for determining who the enemy is, the probability of an awakening, and what White preservation scenario has the greatest chance of success.
If you will learn to see it from the perspective of those involved.
In my understanding of reality, each political party seeks to find a candidate that has the greatest chance of being elected.
More begging. The greatest chance falls to he/they who is/are selected by Rockefeller/Rothschild for appropriate media exposure.
This is important for attempting to determine the likelihood of there being a Judeo-conspiracy, and if so, how far the conspiracy extends. We are in the position of attempting to compare our knowledge of human nature and behavior with the requirements of persuading individuals to join a conspiracy and remain loyal to it. Note that a whistleblower who could successfully reveal such a conspiracy would receive instant world-wide fame and a lucrative book deal.
David Rockefeller has publicly confessed, and he published his auto-bio. Haven’t you heard?
Let me note and advise, at this point, that you write and reason as though you are in the early stages of investigation of these matters. You assume that everyone knows what he is doing and that everyone else does, as well. This is a *starting point* for becoming familiar with the way that the logic of political economy works. But it is not the finish line - where I stand awaiting you. For example, you continue to refer to a “Judeo-conspiracy” as though its participants uniformly assess it as such. And you blithely impute a uniform expectation of social policy to all who are concerned therewith.
If you wish to convince others that your theory is the correct one, then it would be best if you provided compelling evidence.
You put a great many words in my mouth that do not belong there. Your alternatives are not exhaustive. #2 is not my theory - I do not *have* - or need - a well-defined theory. Do you understand what is meant by a “black box”?
I am not asking you to write a book, but it would certainly be useful for those of us who are interested in your ideas if you would briefly point out important points that would make the case for a greater Judeo-conspiracy.
The most important point is that the necessity for a successor-nanny to the Catholic Church suggests a degree of coordination characteristic of a formal organization. Other analysts suggest that a “Hive Mind” is involved. But you yet fail to explain where this analysis has important implications, operating as you do under a serious misconception, explained above, as to the clarity with which political entities conceive themselves and other such.
Obviously there must be more than you have presented to me thus far, as the evidence has been sufficient to convince you of the conspiracy’s existence.
Though not in the explicit terms with which you present my putative apprehension of it, and thus not with any more specificity than I have presented.
So far, you have talked a little about the Illuminati and the communist indoctrination of several presidents. What else should someone who is interested know? There are numerous books on the subject, which are generally contradictory in nature, and do not form a cohesive whole.
What you need to know does not address the question directly, as it is effectively an unknowable for other than its participants - and that in varying degree. You need to know about how political-economy works in general, in order to know what is and isn’t probable and normative - as in judging claims of having invented a perpetual motion machine, by analogy. So go clean the shelves of your local university of its works on social science, and spend several decades thinking through what you’ve read and observed - as I have done.
“Some even believe we (the Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure—one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”.
-David Rockefeller, Autobiography
It must be understood that truly extreme Globalist Goals are supported at the highest levels of the United States and Western Europe. (Note that Tony Blair got his start as a lackey of David’s Bilderbirger organization.)
One thing Rockefeller didn’t admit to, however, was anything about Israel having a special role to play in the highly integrated political structure he envisions.
Instead he’s spoken of “The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers” that is “surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.”
It’s funny how he fools around with words to make people deciding their won fate sound like a form of masturbation.
NeoNietzsche,
Do you think Zionists at the highest levels are troubled by the thought of Iran getting Nuclear Weapons?
And if Zionists were central to 9/11, in other words if they fooled the American people into thinking they were attacked by a Muslim group which they then heartily supported the US Military defeating, why can’t Zionists do the same thing again?
Why can’t Zionists fool Americans into thinking Iran was behind some outrageous terrorist attack on Americans?
And if Zionists can do that, why haven’t they done it already?
Is it that they haven’t gotten around to it yet, but will before its too late vis a vis Iran?
Do you think Zionists at the highest levels are troubled by the thought of Iran getting Nuclear Weapons?
Yes, but I can’t quantify that.
And if Zionists were central to 9/11, in other words if they fooled the American people into thinking they were attacked by a Muslim group which they then heartily supported the US Military defeating, why can’t Zionists do the same thing again?
They may yet do so. But the GJ military is overstretched as it is, if you are talking about ground troops again.
Why can’t Zionists fool Americans into thinking Iran was behind some outrageous terrorist attack on Americans?
And if Zionists can do that, why haven’t they done it already?
Perhaps they figure they’d be pressing their luck with another operation that supposedly involves too many people for the secure maintenance of discretion.
Is it that they haven’t gotten around to it yet, but will before its too late vis a vis Iran?
That would seem to be the leading alternative explanation.
I don’t think we are making very much progress anymore.
“You are a serial offender. Now *two* questions begged in one paragraph.” I think you are holding me to a higher standard than you apply toward yourself. Are you not begging the question in regard to a conspiracy? I don’t think you have established that it exists yet.
“To no greater effect and understanding than today, and under much greater stimulus thereto than is the “fat and happy [and stupid]” circumstance of your own description. Obviously we have no hope in reliance upon *this* principle.” I have given some examples of ethnocentric behavior. Note that there was very little immigration at that time (1930s). Had there been millions of non-Whites annually streaming into the nation, it would assuredly have been curtailed (immigration being one of the central keys to the displacement problem).
“My reckoning is exactly the opposite, aside from your third offense, in assuming your conclusion with regard to the Pakis.” I think we will have to part ways in our evaluation of population quality, as your methods differ fundamentally from mine.
“I think that we are agreed that it is a small one in terms of actual service. But you seem not to have taken the point that most of the balance acquiesce in what they see, from the outside, as a prestigious and virtuous enterprise.” There are probably those that would enthusiastically wish to join an organization that was presented to them as being a new “Knights Templar”, secretly working toward the betterment of mankind. However, this is antithetical to most, especially those raised with a Christian upbringing, who are concerned about biblical warnings of secret cabals. This is why an understanding of human nature as it pertains to the potential for being corrupted or acting contrary to ingrained values is important in determining the probability of a greater Judeo-conspiracy existing.
“More begging. The greatest chance falls to he/they who is/are selected by Rockefeller/Rothschild for appropriate media exposure.” I beg your pardon. I could accuse you of question begging for assuming that there is in fact a Rockefeller/Rothschild screening committee, without some evidence to indicate this. An unschooled individual like myself is in the position of attempting to determine what is more likely: the system as it appears to work, or a complex, hidden system functioning behind the scenes. Your suggestion seems to be that one should accept the latter, without much evidence to prove it, because it is the product of long study. You will, I trust, hopefully forgive me if I find this reasoning difficult to accept.
“David Rockefeller has publicly confessed, and he published his auto-bio. Haven’t you heard?” His confession appears to be a short sound-bite. He is appearing to admit that he and his family have worked with international organizations, and desire to develop an international system of governance. As far as I am able to ascertain, he has not included any notable details, or confessing membership in a wider conspiracy. If Rockefeller supports a one-world government, why is that decisive evidence that would support your case?
“Let me note and advise, at this point, that you write and reason as though you are in the early stages of investigation of these matters. You assume that everyone knows what he is doing and that everyone else does, as well. This is a *starting point* for becoming familiar with the way that the logic of political economy works. But it is not the finish line - where I stand awaiting you.” Being intellectually knock-kneed and educationally asthmatic, I am only willing to continue the marathon if it seems like the destination is a more enlighted one than my current position. Why are you unwilling to provide reasonable evidence that I can explore, to help determine if what you believe has merit?
“For example, you continue to refer to a “Judeo-conspiracy” as though its participants uniformly assess it as such. And you blithely impute a uniform expectation of social policy to all who are concerned therewith.” Lets assume that there are many levels of being initiated. There is an “inner sanctum” of knowledge, which only the fully aware Semitic masters are aware of. For other Jews and certain goyim, there is a lesser level of Illuminati, Trilateral Commission or Mason membership. For those whose service is only as a minor dupe, there are lower level organizations (the UN and political parties perhaps). Not all members know each other. Would this be a better description of the Judeo-conspiracy that is probably in existence? Yet this would still not change the major questions at hand.
“You put a great many words in my mouth that do not belong there. Your alternatives are not exhaustive. #2 is not my theory - I do not *have* - or need - a well-defined theory. Do you understand what is meant by a “black box”?” I had to look this one up on the internet. You are assuming that you do not need to know the functioning of the conspiracy, you just know that it is there, and the output (international events and so forth) are the product of it. But how do you know the conspiracy is there as you envision it? Is this “obvious”?
“The most important point is that the necessity for a successor-nanny to the Catholic Church suggests a degree of coordination characteristic of a formal organization. Other analysts suggest that a “Hive Mind” is involved. But you yet fail to explain where this analysis has important implications, operating as you do under a serious misconception, explained above, as to the clarity with which political entities conceive themselves and other such.” The system, organization, functioning and goals of a Judeo-conspiracy would seem to be important on a number of levels. An analogy: for every potential foe, the US gathers detailed intelligence on that nation’s command structure, military aparatus, economy, etc. This is invaluable in planning strategy and tactics in the event of hostilities. But even more importantly, we need to know that such a foe exists in the first place.
Perhaps you would be willing to address a few points:
1) In my opinion, the most informed and intelligent minds on the subject of the JQ are at TOQ and OO, though certain others are AWOL. The idea of a conspiracy as you seem to envision it is a minority position. Beliefs such as “major elects are rigged”, “Rothschilds appoint candidates”, “secession is impossible”, “most major events are the planned results of hidden actors” and so forth are not generally supported. Why are your ideas more reasonable than those commonly accepted by leading thinkers in the movement?
2) Also in my opinion, the premier theorist on the subject is Dr. MacDonald. I regard him as a genius, who stands out conspicuously in front of his peers even among the impressive group gathered at TOQ and other White advocacy sites. His ideas and methods assume that our political system is not manipulated by a hidden Semitic braintrust (he suggests that Jewish influence is substantial but in the open). Is he naïve or uninformed?
3) Its old hat that the more members in a conspiracy, the greater the probability it will be revealed (some say every member added exponentially increases the probability of exposure). Some examples of whistleblowers are Vanunu spilling the beans of Israel’s nuke program, Ostrovsky with Mossad, Ellsberg and the Pentagon Papers and the Italian Defense Minister who revealed false-flag ops. There are a wide range of other conspiratorial events that have come to light, Iran Contra, USS Liberty, etc., as well as confessions in many other matters from high-level spies and political figures. The elite often have tell-all autobiographies or deathbed confessions when they are ready to die. But there has been no case of anyone confessing to a greater Judeo-conspiracy. Isnt this compelling evidence to the contrary for its existence?
4) The actions of a greater conspiracy would seem to be contradictory or at least incompetent. The founding of the USSR led to Stalin’s rise and eventually to anti-Semitic reactions. Why the selection of Stalin (or at least not his removal, to be replaced by a Jew)? If the creation of Russia was a goal, then why its inefficiency, planned demise and then breakup? Why found a new Jewish state in one of the worst possible locations, surrounded by Muslim enemies? Why not South America, where Jewish power could rule the continent among the easily-managed Mestizos? Why promote the rise of China, which can be expected to eventually eclipse the US in economic power, when Jews have little hope of subverting that ethnocentric nation? Why get Scott Brown elected, when 1/6 of the economy was about to be successfully socialized?
I will concede that perhaps my lack of education on political theory and other topics makes it nearly impossible for me to grasp certain concepts at this time. Currently though, I do not feel that I have yet been presented with any real red meat to chew on; and I had been expecting a feast. Is it any wonder that I am a beggar (of questions)?
Are you not begging the question in regard to a conspiracy? I don’t think you have established that it exists yet.
Please note that it is yourself who keeps referring to a “conspiracy”. I have not used that term and find it inapt. So you hold me to a thesis that I do not urge, for the lack of definition to it that evidence allows. If you wish a tidbit of direct evidence of a global “International Jewish Conspiracy,” please contact David Irving in regard to the pursuit, by Jews, of Irving, amidst his travels around the world. I again point out that you have yet to justify pursuit of this misrepresentation of my position as other than your own misconception of authentic political science as the mere examination of forms-of-government and political systems.
In writing as I do of “Jewry” or “elite Jewry” or “oligarchy,” etc., I am speaking of what I would call a “community of interest” that is evidenced by the unfolding of historical events forwarded with disproportionate participation by a certain group with results that suit their interests. If you will study the Revisionist history (IHR) of the past century, I believe you will find sufficient evidence to sustain *that* characterization of the element that governs significant events.
I have given some examples of ethnocentric behavior. Note that there was very little immigration at that time (1930s). Had there been millions of non-Whites annually streaming into the nation, it would assuredly have been curtailed (immigration being one of the central keys to the displacement problem).
But ethnocentric behavior, per se, is, again, of little value. It must be informed by administrative sophistication to be other than a pogrom. Even if we grant the curtailment of immigration, by ethnocentrists, in that era, the failure to interdict the Frankfurter administration in its involvement of the country in the War to Save Communism, meant that the foundations of the present dispossession would nevertheless be laid by the outcome.
I think we will have to part ways in our evaluation of population quality, as your methods differ fundamentally from mine.
Because you are at the starting line, where I once stood, rather than at the finish line, where I now stand.
Believe me, I understand exactly how you see things in this regard, since I was of your opinion for some decades, until the maturation of my grasp of a truly normative concept of human society. You still think of civilizational superiority in terms of technical prowess and IQ significant thereof - not realizing that there is another and debilitating side to that coin - one that is the source of constant complaint, self-deprecation, and prophecies of doom, in this very venue.
However, this is antithetical to most, especially those raised with a Christian upbringing, who are concerned about biblical warnings of secret cabals. This is why an understanding of human nature as it pertains to the potential for being corrupted or acting contrary to ingrained values is important in determining the probability of a greater Judeo-conspiracy existing.
The “most” are not confronted with the choice to be corrupted. Christians insist upon the fallen and corrupt nature of humanity, so is there any argument as to the potential/probable existence of a corrupting agency? And if I have not made it clear, the dimension of collective activity involved in the administration of human affairs tends to lift said activities out of the realm where the simplicities of “ingrained values” apply. By legalizing, collectivizing, and re-framing what for others would be “murder,” Christians will torture and kill other humans, righteously and repeatedly.
I beg your pardon. I could accuse you of question begging for assuming that there is in fact a Rockefeller/Rothschild screening committee, without some evidence to indicate this.
Jimmy Carter/Bert Lance.
In any case, if I have sinned, how does my offense mitigate yours, and relieve you of answering for it?
You averred that, “In my understanding of reality, each political party seeks to find a candidate that has the greatest chance of being elected.” This is to imply (beg) that which you have assumed, i.e., that your *parties*, as opposed to my oligarchic media-masters behind the scenes (see, again, the screening and promotion of Jimmy Carter) are choosing the most “electable”.
An unschooled individual like myself is in the position of attempting to determine what is more likely: the system as it appears to work, or a complex, hidden system functioning behind the scenes.
So I again emphasize that your attention to this issue is, not merely premature, but is altogether misplaced. The quickest way to a popular and fundamental misconception of political-economy is in thinking in terms of “systems” and form-of-government, rather than in terms of agendas. The formalities tend to assume a form appropriate to the fulfillment of the respective agendas, so you need not worry about them as other than a specialist pursuing details. But I again identify with your involvement in this procedural error, as it was my own for many decades.
Your suggestion seems to be that one should accept the latter, without much evidence to prove it, because it is the product of long study. You will, I trust, hopefully forgive me if I find this reasoning difficult to accept.
And you will pardon me if my prior protests against this caricature of my position seem, to me, to be falling on unresponsive ears. And I will forgive you, if, after several years of the prescribed conscientious study and observation with regard to general principles (”long study”), you yet find this reasoning “difficult to accept”.
“David Rockefeller has publicly confessed, and he published his auto-bio. Haven’t you heard?”
His confession appears to be a short sound-bite. He is appearing to admit that he and his family have worked with international organizations,…
Some founded *by* his family .
…and desire to develop an international system of governance. As far as I am able to ascertain, he has not included any notable details, or confessing membership in a wider conspiracy.
Do I need to direct your attention to the CFR/Bilderberger/Trilat troika? Make of it what you will - it’s not important as to details, as I’ve tried to explain. I would urge you not to make the mistake of becoming a conspiracy theorist or anti-theorist.
If Rockefeller supports a one-world government, why is that decisive evidence that would support your case?
It would support “a” case for your caricature, because of who he is. And I would prescribe study on that point, but this would be to indulge your youthful form-of-government vice, so I won’t. Rather, read about “The Iron Law of Oligarchy” and see if you can guess the identity of the Oligarchy of the present dispensation, on theoretical grounds and from general history. And let me reinforce, by repetition, my objection that your notion of Sunday-school prophylaxis against the potential and prospects for a corrupting conspiracy is uninformed by an appreciation of the intrinsic ethical context and moral culture of this higher-level political activity. So do this latter reading, instead.
An unschooled individual like myself is in the position of attempting to determine what is more likely: the system as it appears to work, or a complex, hidden system functioning behind the scenes.
So I again emphasize that your attention to this issue is, not merely premature, but is altogether misplaced. The quickest way to a popular and fundamental misconception of political-economy is in thinking in terms of “systems” and form-of-government, rather than in terms of agendas. The formalities tend to assume a form appropriate to the fulfillment of the respective agendas, so you need not worry about them as other than a specialist pursuing details. But I again identify with your involvement in this procedural error, as it was my own for many decades.
Your suggestion seems to be that one should accept the latter, without much evidence to prove it, because it is the product of long study. You will, I trust, hopefully forgive me if I find this reasoning difficult to accept.
And you will pardon me if my prior protests against this caricature of my position seem, to me, to be falling on unresponsive ears. And I will forgive you, if, after several years of the prescribed conscientious study and observation with regard to general principles (”long study”), you yet find this reasoning “difficult to accept”.
“David Rockefeller has publicly confessed, and he published his auto-bio. Haven’t you heard?”
His confession appears to be a short sound-bite. He is appearing to admit that he and his family have worked with international organizations,…
Some founded *by* his family .
…and desire to develop an international system of governance. As far as I am able to ascertain, he has not included any notable details, or confessing membership in a wider conspiracy.
Do I need to direct your attention to the CFR/Bilderberger/Trilat troika? Make of it what you will - it’s not important as to details, as I’ve tried to explain. I would urge you not to make the mistake of becoming a conspiracy theorist or anti-theorist.
If Rockefeller supports a one-world government, why is that decisive evidence that would support your case?
It would support “a” case for your caricature, because of who he is. And I would prescribe study on that point, but this would be to indulge your youthful form-of-government vice, so I won’t. Rather, read about “The Iron Law of Oligarchy” and see if you can guess the identity of the Oligarchy of the present dispensation, on theoretical grounds and from general history. And let me reinforce, by repetition, my objection that your notion of Sunday-school prophylaxis against the potential and prospects for a corrupting conspiracy is uninformed by an appreciation of the intrinsic ethical context and moral culture of this higher-level political activity. So do this latter reading, instead.
Being intellectually knock-kneed and educationally asthmatic, I am only willing to continue the marathon if it seems like the destination is a more enlightened one than my current position. Why are you unwilling to provide reasonable evidence that I can explore, to help determine if what you believe has merit?
Because you have me confused with with a conspiracy theorist. I am an oligarchy theorist. In that framework, an elite strata is, by the general logic and history of political economy, a given. Thus *agendas* are what significantly distinguish polities, in this modern day of confusing ideologies and strategic deception. And that is the lesson that will enhance your “current position”.
Lets assume that there are many levels of being initiated. There is an “inner sanctum” of knowledge, which only the fully aware Semitic masters are aware of. For other Jews and certain goyim, there is a lesser level of Illuminati, Trilateral Commission or Mason membership. For those whose service is only as a minor dupe, there are lower level organizations (the UN and political parties perhaps). Not all members know each other. Would this be a better description of the Judeo-conspiracy that is probably in existence?
Some level of stratification is evident in these organizations, which may or may not be optimally characterized as “Judeo-conspiratorial” .
Yet this would still not change the major questions at hand.
Is that a question (absent a question mark)?
If so, and given *your* assumption, I would say that such a level of organization is unlikely and would be vulnerable to exposure as was the historic Weishaupt organization. A lesser degree of stratification seems likely, and this alternative depiction does not seem to have other significant implications aside from the ease with which an appearance of innocence, objectivity, and public service can be maintained.
“Do you understand what is meant by a “black box”?”
I had to look this one up on the internet. You are assuming that you do not need to know the functioning of the conspiracy, you just know that it is there, and the output (international events and so forth) are the product of it. But how do you know the conspiracy is there as you envision it? Is this “obvious”?
It is obvious, rather, that a “community of interest” exists, based upon repetitive output, that simulates the action of a “conspiracy” - hence the “black box” analogy. I do not “envision” a “conspiracy” - as would beg a question and violate the analogy.
The system, organization, functioning and goals of a Judeo-conspiracy would seem to be important on a number of levels. An analogy: for every potential foe, the US gathers detailed intelligence on that nation’s command structure, military apparatus, economy, etc. This is invaluable in planning strategy and tactics in the event of hostilities. But even more importantly, we need to know that such a foe exists in the first place.
Thank you for enhancing the case for an approach to the military, who would have the access and resources for pursuit of the issue in these terms.
Perhaps you would be willing to address a few points:
1) In my opinion, the most informed and intelligent minds on the subject of the JQ are at TOQ and OO, though certain others are AWOL. The idea of a conspiracy as you seem to envision it is a minority position. Beliefs such as “major elects are rigged”, “Rothschilds appoint candidates”, “secession is impossible”, “most major events are the planned results of hidden actors” and so forth are not generally supported. Why are your ideas more reasonable than those commonly accepted by leading thinkers in the movement?
Because I am primarily a political economist. They are primarily racialists.
2) Also in my opinion, the premier theorist on the subject is Dr. MacDonald. I regard him as a genius, who stands out conspicuously in front of his peers even among the impressive group gathered at TOQ and other White advocacy sites. His ideas and methods assume that our political system is not manipulated by a hidden Semitic braintrust (he suggests that Jewish influence is substantial but in the open). Is he naïve or uninformed?
He is a specialist, with the limitations thereof. He evidences this with having been a “New-Leftist” well into his maturity, whereas any conscientious generalist would have rejected that unsupportable position at a very early period. The “Jewish influence” that involved the world in the pivotal creation of the Fed et al., the War to Save Communism, and the intrusive implantation and recognition of Lesser Judea, were not “in the open” and create a strong presumption that future such developments (WTC?) will not be exposed as such until well after the fact, contra MacDonald (if indeed he is so naive). Also, one may reason that KM, for much the same reason, is recasting the truth that he may know, a’la Jared Taylor.
3) It’s old hat that the more members in a conspiracy, the greater the probability it will be revealed (some say every member added exponentially increases the probability of exposure). Some examples of whistleblowers are Vanunu spilling the beans of Israel’s nuke program, Ostrovsky with Mossad, Ellsberg and the Pentagon Papers and the Italian Defense Minister who revealed false-flag ops. There are a wide range of other conspiratorial events that have come to light, Iran Contra, USS Liberty, etc., as well as confessions in many other matters from high-level spies and political figures. The elite often have tell-all autobiographies or deathbed confessions when they are ready to die. But there has been no case of anyone confessing to a greater Judeo-conspiracy. Isn’t this compelling evidence to the contrary for its existence?
No. Primarily because it is not a matter of authentic “confession”. Presumably, the participants regard themselves as engaged in a virtuous enterprise - not a “conspiracy” - the rationale for which cannot be grasped by the unwashed.
And the very size, import, and endurance of an agenda seems to protect it from effective exposure, since the interest in its concealment is paramount.
For example:
Why did we learn of the massive and critical operation, “Ultra,” only after it was no longer of current consequence and thus permissibly exposed, following decades of effective containment?
What is the position of the CIA and the MSM on the remarkable defector, Golitsyn, other than rejection for their ideological and image-driven refusal to accept his compelling exposure/confession as to Soviet strategic deception?
Who, of the conspiracy, has convincingly confessed to killing Kennedy?
And who, in line with the principle of proportionality between numbers and risk, has confessed to the demolition of the WTC structures in the intervening decade? Plenty of time to write a book or be on the verge of expiring, I would say.
4) The actions of a greater conspiracy would seem to be contradictory or at least incompetent.
This is why I oppose the present regime in particular, but support oligarchy as inevitable in principle. The Jews are clinically insane (grandeur/chosen-ness/persecution/paranoia syndrome). They are bringing the global temple down on everyones’ heads - including their own.
The founding of the USSR led to Stalin’s rise and eventually to anti-Semitic reactions. Why the selection of Stalin (or at least not his removal, to be replaced by a Jew)?
He cleverly played both sides and was seen/rationalized as the shabbaz-goy front man that Jews wisely adopt as a tactic.
If the creation of Russia was a goal, then why its inefficiency, planned demise and then breakup?
“Inefficiency” was a product of the crypto-anarchist/messianist orientation of Marxism/Marxists. Anarchists are anti-administrators and are thus unsurprisingly irrational and inefficient in that capacity.
Its “demise” facilitates deception and effective disarmament of the West, which it is devoted to destroying as its “objective enemy” and as the (bourgeois) obstacle to the global, stateless (proletarian) planet of Marx’s promise.
The “breakup” (by planned and unforced decree) was the central event in the persuasion/deception of the West - and was consistent with the ultimate goal of *eliminating*, world-wide, *all* standing political structures (including their own), since they are nothing but the means of enslaving the proletariat and should be demolished in a global rebellion of “chain-breaking”.
Why found a new Jewish state in one of the worst possible locations, surrounded by Muslim enemies? Why not South America, where Jewish power could rule the continent among the easily-managed Mestizos?
As explained immediately above, Judeo-Communism is ultimately a *state-destroying* enterprise - hence our peril and reasoned objection to the present regime. Please note that you here display a questioning incomprehension of the circumstance - against which incomprehension I warn and prescribe remedy - for failure to examine it in terms primarily of the *agenda* that is evident from the *performance*, rather than from the structural details, of a political entity.
Why promote the rise of China, which can be expected to eventually eclipse the US in economic power, when Jews have little hope of subverting that ethnocentric nation? Why get Scott Brown elected, when 1/6 of the economy was about to be successfully socialized?
China will destroy the West, as intended. Not every battle in an ultimately successful war is a victory.
Andrew, I can’t help but notice the development of your discussion with NN here that is parallel to the one we had at the OO blog regarding the necessity of Hitler acting as he did during WWII. Your instinctive response seems to be to drown your interlocutor in a sea of mostly empty verbiage which flows from the well of wide-eyed earnestness that is only sustainable due to either a lack of an ability to reason and/or rank naivete. Don’t worry, the more cynical you become, the more succinct you will become as well, that is, if you have the mettle. There is only one truth, and the quest for it cannot brook a breezy ‘agree to disagree’ wave of the hand and back to lemming land. And certainly not with the stakes this high.
And if you wonder why I am so harsh in my treatment of the filthy lying kike who calls himself “Adam” who litters the comments section of OO blog with his transparent obfuscations, wonder no longer. Agreeing to disagree is a womanly cop-out, this is for real, this is war, something Adwarf I’m sure understands all too well, even if you refuse to.
NN, “Rockefeller/Rothschild” “formal organization” “hive mind” “black box”
How useful are groups like CFR and Bilderbergs as a model for the “black box” hostile elites? CFR for a more “formal organization” and Bilderbergers more of a “hive mind” approach? What I mean is that given we aren’t going to be seeing directly into the black box, and speculations about it’s internal workings are of limited usefulness anyway, is “The CFR Bilderbergers” a practical model for understanding “the conspiracy” so to speak?
CC: I heartily endorse your take on “Adam” - it must be something about the thought process of those people, as if you can “smell” them coming a mile away.
How useful are groups like CFR and Bilderbergs as a model for the “black box” hostile elites? CFR for a more “formal organization” and Bilderbergers more of a “hive mind” approach? What I mean is that given we aren’t going to be seeing directly into the black box, and speculations about it’s internal workings are of limited usefulness anyway, is “The CFR Bilderbergers” a practical model for understanding “the conspiracy” so to speak?
Ya know - I never even think about that stuff anymore, because it’s an aspect of imprisonment in form-of-government misconstruction of political philosophy that Nietzsche helped me break out of after having served what otherwise might have been a life sentence.
As you see, I’ve been *very* busy scratching away at a tunnel for cherry Andrew to squeeze through to freedom of thought, before he gets turned out as an irrecoverable Bride of Christ acolyte.
And as to “The CFR Bilderbergers” [as] a practical model for understanding “the conspiracy”, I must excuse myself - because, as I wrote to Andrew, I’m *not* a conspiracy theorist, and I would embarrass myself, and irritate an expert, with uninformed speculations about how these organizations fit in as other than “transmission belts,” to use Arendt’s phrase.
And if you wonder why I am so harsh in my treatment of the filthy lying kike who calls himself “Adam” who litters the comments section of OO blog with his transparent obfuscations, wonder no longer.
Captain, Mr. Adam the Obfuscator is also well known on the VNN front page. Just so you know. You’re not the only fellow who’s had to deal with his dissimulation.
Thanks for the tip, Kasimir. I saw Adwarf’s comments at VNN and he aroused my suspicions back then as well. And, when he initially started commenting at OO he signed in under the name “Progress,” as in the “progress” he alleged would accrue to the White race in mixing with Middle Eastern populations for “hybrid vigor” as he says is enjoyed by Jews. That was a red flag and told me all I needed to know in that it both asserted Jewish racial superiority and advised our racial destruction through race mixing. At that point I knew I was dealing with a Jew.
Also, Andrew, I think you’ll notice that NN’s “Iron Law of Oligarchy” is reducible to evolutionarily ingrained primate social dominance hierarchy. It is just that in our modern context there are different traits which enable one to gain dominance, in this case the verbal skills, group cohesion and lying cunning of the Jew. Your good buddy Adwarf at OO is a prime example, although we’ll see just who comes out on top there - stay tuned.
NN, please read “conspiracy theory” in my post on OD as your superior formulation “oligarchy theory.” Say groups like CFR and Bilderbergers fit into the oligarchy is some undetermined by uninteresting way.
If the current regime is Greater Judea run by clinically insane Jews bringing the temple down on everyone’s head, and you want a new (inevitable) replacement oligarchy, what form is that likely to take, and what actions are necessary for this potential new oligarchy to succeed and replace the crazy Jews? Are non-elite whites merely spectators or do they have any active role?
If the current regime is Greater Judea run by clinically insane Jews bringing the temple down on everyone’s head, and you want a new (inevitable) replacement oligarchy, what form is that likely to take,..
In that highly unlikely event, a military government is “dictated” (a little gallows humor, there) by the post-republican period in which we live.
…and what actions are necessary for this potential new oligarchy to succeed and replace the crazy Jews?
As with determining the particulars of the organization of the current oligarchy, the aspirant organization is best equipped to investigate that matter.
Are non-elite whites merely spectators or do they have any active role?
Educate military personnel whom you know and trust to be discreet.
“Educate military personnel whom you know and trust to be discreet.”
Certainly History is replete with examples, such as ancient Rome, of Empires that were taken over by Military Factions.
“China will destroy the West, as intended.”
NeoNietzsche,
From the standpoint of the preferences expressed in the performance of Judeo-Communist controlled and influenced entities, what advantage is gained by finally destroying all State power in the West, if it comes at the expense of empowering State power in China?
If in A.D. 150, a Proto-Marxist Oligarchy in the Roman Empire devoted itself to the task of assuring the destruction of Rome and its replacement as the Governing Entity over its holdings by the Parthians, how exactly would that have advanced the “ultimate goal of *eliminating*, world-wide, *all* standing political structures…”?
Thank you for taking the time to address my questions in depth. I am going to attempt to summarize, to the best of my ability, your theory:
There is a Jewish Oligarchy, which is not necessarily a conspiracy, but engages in conspiratorial activities when it suits that group, such as the Kennedy assassination, WTC, etc. In the pursuit of its goals, this elite group of Jewry operates a diverse assortment of organizations, including the Bilderbergers, Federal Reserve, UN, political parties, etc. Many influential goyim participate in furthering the Oligarchy’s goals; some have been subverted while others are unknowing dupes. The Oligarchy has farsighted goals, with great influence over world events, and especially over the governance of the US. The group’s ultimate designs are to achieve dominance over the Goyim by creating a world empire centered in Jerusalem. The exact organizational structure and individuals involved are not known, though much can be conjectured from a variety of sources. The proof for the existence of the Oligarchy does not lie in a concrete trail of evidence. Rather, the existence of this group is indicated by examining what evidence is available through the lense of a thorough understanding of political economy. If one has the requisite intellect and knowledge base, the existence of the Jewish Oligarchy is clearly indicated. And, by examing world events, we can determine the agenda of the Oligarchy.
If this is incorrect, please clarify. I am not attempting to misinterpret your theory or create a caricature of it, but rather attempt to understand exactly what you believe. Im not going to classify your ideas as a conspiracy theory, but since we need to call it something, how about the “Advanced JQ Theory” (currently a minority position), as opposed to the “Conventional JQ Theory” (CJQT) as proposed by Dr. MacDonald (the majority position). I am confident that Dr. MacDonald does not take the situation one step further as you do, as I have seen nothing in his writing or interviews that suggests this, and he is obviously someone who speaks his mind. I am not attempting to disprove your ideas, which I am not qualified to do, but trying to make a judgement for my own consumption on which theory is more likely to be correct.
“You still think of civilizational superiority in terms of technical prowess and IQ significant thereof - not realizing that there is another and debilitating side to that coin” It seems to me that grading a people on their success against the invasion of an extremely intelligent hostile elite an unfair one. Its like grading the evolutionary fitness of tigers based on the fact that they are going extinct due to human encroachment. It does not reasonable that either Whites or tigers, both being species exquisitely adapted for their natural envoronments, should be evaluated based on events they were not designed to cope with. In the case of Whites though, I believe that their intelligence, creativity and other traits will ultimately result in recognizing the danger and reacting in time (some portion of Whites will survive, though many or most will be lost).
” This is to imply (beg) that which you have assumed, i.e., that your *parties*, as opposed to my oligarchic media-masters behind the scenes (see, again, the screening and promotion of Jimmy Carter) are choosing the most “electable”.” The explanation of the CJQT is that Jewish groups naturally wish to promote pro-Jewish candidates. Carter was not the establishment candidate, and an individual’s charisma and appeal to voters is not usually something that can be manufactured by the media.
“Do I need to direct your attention to the CFR/Bilderberger/Trilat troika? Make of it what you will - it’s not important as to details, as I’ve tried to explain. I would urge you not to make the mistake of becoming a conspiracy theorist or anti-theorist.” I searched for information on those groups, but was unable to find anything solid that indicates they were part of a greater Oligarchy. This does not disprove anything, and I remain open-minded, but am still seeking persuasive evidence.
“So I again emphasize that your attention to this issue is, not merely premature, but is altogether misplaced. The quickest way to a popular and fundamental misconception of political-economy is in thinking in terms of “systems” and form-of-government, rather than in terms of agendas.” I have possibly misunderstood you here, but I took this to mean that to understand events, one needs to discover the agendas (intentions/goals) of the powers that be. We have established that there is a group of elite Jews with tremendous influence in the US and the West. How is it known that the agenda of the main body of these persons is domination/enslavement of the Goy (as opposed to the CJQT’s identification of the agenda as a piecemeal effort to promote what is “good for the jews”)?
“Thank you for enhancing the case for an approach to the military, who would have the access and resources for pursuit of the issue in these terms.” I had gathered from a previous comment by CaptainChaos that your solution to the problem was a military coup. I suppose that a coup would be superior to what we have now. I wont address the probabilities of success of the endeavor, which I am not privy to, though I am thinking along different lines for the solution.
“No. Primarily because it is not a matter of authentic “confession”. Presumably, the participants regard themselves as engaged in a virtuous enterprise - not a “conspiracy” - the rationale for which cannot be grasped by the unwashed. And the very size, import, and endurance of an agenda seems to protect it from effective exposure, since the interest in its concealment is paramount.” A potential problem with your reasoning is the growing number of people that would have been involved in an Oligarchy, as it reaches back quite a ways into the past. The more people involved, the greater chance of at least one whistleblower. Even among the Jews, there are Finkelsteins, Vanunus and Shahaks. There is an aspect of probability here with someone arising who would expose the Oligarchy, but to my knowledge, there has been no credible confession to date.
“Why did we learn of the massive and critical operation, “Ultra,” only after it was no longer of current consequence and thus permissibly exposed, following decades of effective containment?” True, but the operation did come to light in time.
“Who, of the conspiracy, has convincingly confessed to killing Kennedy?” Good point, but the number of conspirators was fairly small, especially in comparison to what must be entailed in an Oligarchy. Add to this the fact that the facts did come out, and it is now widely known that something wasn’t Kosher about the affair (or perhaps it was Kosher).
“And who, in line with the principle of proportionality between numbers and risk, has confessed to the demolition of the WTC structures in the intervening decade? Plenty of time to write a book or be on the verge of expiring, I would say.” Another good point, but again, the chance of an Oligarchy being exposed is exponentially greater, due to the number of participants and time that has gone by. Also, again note that all of the suspicious facts of 9/11 have come to light (as opposed to facts about an Oligarchy).
” Please note that you here display a questioning incomprehension of the circumstance - against which incomprehension I warn and prescribe remedy - for failure to examine it in terms primarily of the *agenda* that is evident from the *performance*, rather than from the structural details, of a political entity.” If I understand correctly, you are saying that by interpreting the continual output of events, we can ascertain the agenda of the Oligarchy. But how is it that you are able to make this connection between interpreting events and your conclusion of the agenda? The CJQT would propose a different agenda, why are your conclusions the correct ones?
“China will destroy the West, as intended. Not every battle in an ultimately successful war is a victory.” How are you able to determine that the rise of China is intentional, and part of the aim of an Oligarchy?
Im not sure if I am stubborn, obtuse, dense or knuckleheaded, or an unholy combination of those traits, but this is the paradigm (influenced by the CJQT) that I am currently working under as it pertains to the points you have brought up recently:
There are organizations such as the Bilderbergers that support and work towards one-World government, and powerful individuals such as the Rockefellers support these organizations. However, while these groups are influential, it does not seem that they actually manage world events or are part of a greater Jewish Oligarchy.
1) I agree that the law of nature is the law of the jungle, kill or be killed, the strong survive, the natural imperative of all life is to survive and procreate. Christianity is an artificial form of ethics and morality that attempts to alter the natural world of human behavior (and I subscribe to the view that this is a good thing, populations benefit greatly from Christian morals).
2) It is true that Oligarchies usually rule, the elites influence the masses. In the US, there are elites with great influence, but as the masses vote, there is a limit to this influence. I don’t see any evidence of large-scale vote tampering. It also does not seem to follow that because of the Iron Law of Oligarcy, there must be a true oligarchy (something different than our elected representatives), and that oligarchy must be a hidden Jewish one.
3) There is a body of elite Jewry that attempts to manipulate world events in a manner that is “good for the jews”. There are those within this group that dreams of Menachem Begin’s Judeo world empire. However, this does not appear to be a widespread belief or a goal sought after by the majority of elite Jews, such as Mortimer Zuckerman or Joseph Lieberman. There does not appear to be a council of “Learned Elders of Zion” that are the real power-brokers, working toward diabolical goals.
4) The Jewish elite appear to plan, debate and opinionate in conventional media, thinktanks and policy groups, and influence events using mainly conventional means such as politics. The goal of elite Jewry seems to be to pursue perceived Jewish interests, especially the protection of Israel.
5) The conspiracies that do exist (perhaps WTC/Kennedy Assassination) seem to be ad hoc operations established for a particular purpose, to carry out limited goals. For example, WTC would have been part of the effort to help secure Israel by smashing Iraq. Israel’s Mossad appears to have wide access to US intelligence, which is helpful for manipulating US foreign policy. I don’t see a wider agenda beyond protecting Israel and Jewry as a whole.
6) Presidental candidates (Carter, Bush, Obama, etc.) must pass muster by Jewish groups, who wield enormous political power. As part of the pursuit of Jewish interests, Jews attempt to influence politicians in high places as much as possible. A prime example is the influence of the Neocons over Bush. However, the Neocons appear to be a minority group within Jewry, which as a whole opposed Bush’s election.
7) Jews are strongly related to each other, so there may be some truth to the idea of a “Hive Mind”, as like minds tend to think alike. For the majority of Jews, there seems to be a siren song attraction toward Communism/Socialism, and creating Gemorrah. They are also drawn to hate and displace the non-Jewish majority among whom they reside. It is very possible that these are ingrained instincts that will inevitably direct Semitic behavior. However, there does not appear to be evidence of an agenda to enslave or obliterate the goyim.
9) All those that are seen as interfering with Jewish interests are mercilessly hounded and pursued by Jews internationally (Irving, Zundel, Duke, etc.) However, this seems to be explained by Jewish networking, assisted by groups such as the SPLC and ADL, rather than something deeper.
10) US politics are influenced strongly by Jews, who leverage their influence through the MSM and heavy funding of candidates. However, beyond that, Jewish influence appears to be limited. The political process generally appears to work as advertised, without rigged elections or the screening of candidates by unseen groups (vetting does occur, but seems to be done in ways we know about, such as AIPAC’s activities as disclosed by others).
11) The unfolding of events such as the rise of China do not seem to be the result of Jewish planning, but rather the outcome of economic and population trends. Jewish businesses find China’s expansion to be advantageous for obtaining increased profits and thus act opportunistically. Jews encourage foreign immigration to increase their security against the potential dangers of a White majority. Likewise with the Mexicanization of California. As Mestizos gain political control, they convert the state into the third-world, and Whites naturally flee third-world conditions. Neither outcomes appear to be the result of conscious efforts to achieve them by Jewry.
I think that the above would also be more or less supported by Dr. MacDonald et. al at TOQ or OO (although it would all be written more precisely and eloquently). In my humble opinion, you have not yet provided a good case why any of the above it not correct. You seem to be saying that it is imperative that I study political economy in depth (with emphasis on Spengler and Nietzsche of course) before I will be able to truly understand the situation, thus forcing me to take my brother’s ADD medication so I can concentrate. I guess this means that I am not capable at this time of grasping the Advanced JQ Theory. It occurs to me though, that if your desire is to persuade others towards the Advanced JQ Theory, why have you not written a pamphlet or treatise on the subject?
@CaptainChaos:
“And if you wonder why I am so harsh in my treatment of the filthy lying kike who calls himself “Adam” who litters the comments section of OO blog with his transparent obfuscations, wonder no longer. ”
Captain, you are a g******d, f*****g, foul-mouthed son-of-a-b***h, but you are shrewd and observant. After checking some of Adam’s old posts, I think you are probably right about him. Lets assume that he is an agent provacateur, attempting to derail the forum. You are doing his work for him if you make the forum toxic with epithets and ugliness. By all means call Adam out, but do so with the kind of language that isnt going to turn off visitors. If you say, “Hey Adam, this reminds me of the post where you suggested blacks and whites should miscegenate”, and quote him, that’s going to discredit him. Use smart tactics and debate strategies. If you say, “you dirty, lying, hooknosed kike”, he laughs and you have become a tool, helping to drive off readers from OO. It’s the same for those who talk about killing the Jews or harming them; how does that help? Normal Whites who are on board with WNs on important issues just absolutely don’t want to hear that stuff, its unpleasant and completely unnecessary. In forums such as Stormfront, there is no need to be inhibited, go for the gusto. But for OO and TOQ, I would hope you would respect Dr. MacDonald’s wishes and tone down your lingo, and get others to do the same.
Another thing, why these attacks on Kievsky, Wikipedian and the OD personnel? They all support a Jewry-free Ethnostate in North America. We expect attacks from the Semites, but not from our own team. If you are going to attack people, search out the real enemies, get on the SPLC blog or such sites and give em hell. If you really want to advance the cause, then go to the blogs of those who are against immigration and get them to check out OO (without talking about dirty kikes). Try and be part of the solution and not part of the problem (that’s a direct quote from my fat guidance counselor in Junior High).
“Don’t worry, the more cynical you become, the more succinct you will become as well, that is, if you have the mettle.” Unfortunately, the older I get, the more optimistic and less cynical I become, so Im probably moving in the wrong direction.
‘Your instinctive response seems to be to drown your interlocutor in a sea of mostly empty verbiage which flows from the well of wide-eyed earnestness that is only sustainable due to either a lack of an ability to reason and/or rank naivete.” You failed to mention the possibility I could be on drugs.
[Polyannish Andrew exits stage left, skipping along blissfully, dreaming of a Christian republic]
“Captain, you are a g******d, f*****g, foul-mouthed son-of-a-b***h,”
Yes, I suppose that’s true.
“…but you are shrewd and observant.”
Yes, that is also true.
As to your other concerns, I find it is often necessary to rattle peoples’ cages to get them to listen, so there is an element of psychological gamesmanship. Also, I’ll confess to having a quick temper. And often I’m just joking around.
Moreover, I trust my instincts, I have a natural ability to read people, to read for subtext - and use that to push people in the direction I think they need to be going in. I’ve been racially awake for a little over two years, and as such have not had the opportunity to peruse much of the relevant material many others who have been awake longer already have under their belts. Plus, I am not naturally studious. (I hope to correct that in future.) I attempt to make up for that, to maintain a competitive edge, by gaming situations relying largely on instinct.
P.S. I have hit the SPLC blog in the past, but there is the annoying habit they have of deleting comments that cut too close for comfort. Those I give a hard time on our side I take it that it goes without my saying that I hold them in high esteem and it is nothing personal (and if not, here I have said it).
P.S.S. Let’s let the Adwarf situation ride out a bit longer, as I have suggested, it is an object lesson for the lemmings, they get to see what lying, conniving scum the Jew is for themselves, and hopefully thereafter will have ceased to be lemmings. Also, it is quite entertaining - one time when I laid the NS rap on him, contrary to his usual long-winded comments, he gave me a terse little offering about how present day NS would get their asses handed to them just like the ones of yesteryear. He was pissed, he was flummoxed. Poor lil’ guy, high hilarity.
We expect attacks from the Semites, but not from our own team.
That is because we are naive and too trusting.
From the standpoint of the preferences expressed in the performance of Judeo-Communist controlled and influenced entities, what advantage is gained by finally destroying all State power in the West, if it comes at the expense of empowering State power in China?
The destruction of the West would lead to the collapse of a Chinese Marxist regime and to global anarchy, as intended.
If, in A.D. 150, a Proto-Marxist Oligarchy in the Roman Empire devoted itself to the task of assuring the destruction of Rome and its replacement as the Governing Entity over its holdings by the Parthians, how exactly would that have advanced the “ultimate goal of *eliminating*, world-wide, *all* standing political structures…”?
It would not. Your premises are radically counter-factual.
What *did* happen was the Jewish War and the later Bar Kochba Rebellion of that period, during which the Jewish expectation was of a Messianic Advent in assistance of the rebels, once a revolt was started.
Everyone here should read, or re-read, Josephus - and read about those rebellions. You will be amazed at how familiar are our old Semitic friends from that era. They haven’t changed in two thousand years.
The group’s ultimate designs are to achieve dominance over the Goyim by creating a world empire centered in Jerusalem.
Good summary up to this point - but my sense of the “ultimate design” involves global anarchy rather than empire. Though it is evident that a *non-sectarian* expectation of one-world-government is held by the goyische paladins involved.
It seems to me that grading a people on their success against the invasion of an extremely intelligent hostile elite an unfair one.
Define “fair,” please.
Carter was not the establishment candidate, and an individual’s charisma and appeal to voters is not usually something that can be manufactured by the media.
Excuse me - but Carter was *very much* the establishment candidate, unknown to the country at large but shamelessly promoted by the MSM. Carter lacks charisma to the point that one can speak of him as anti-charismatic. He was completely the creature of promotion by Rockefeller instruments, selected for his very anonymity (and his liberal ideology despite his Southern origins) and ostensible standing outside a discredited establishment, in refreshment of a political process that had been soiled by the Nixon era. You may assess me as an expert on Carter (”Jimmy the Tooth”/”Mr. Peanut”), since he was the governor of my state and unknown outside it - and was closely followed by the residents, here, who got a textbook lesson in the Establishment’s manufacture of an *anti-establishment* “candidate”. (And you may take your remark as a testament to their success.)
How is it known that the agenda of the main body of these persons is domination/enslavement of the Goy (as opposed to the CJQT’s identification of the agenda as a piecemeal effort to promote what is “good for the jews”)?
First, you mischaracterize the agenda, as I understand it. The objective of the Jews is, as a “Light unto the Nations,” to “liberate” mankind from material oppression and psychic repression - hence Marxism and Freudianism.
For some Jews, this is a prophylactic measure (”what’s good for the Jews”) in protection of Jewry from nativism. For others, the consequent destruction of the goyische kingdoms will initiate the Messianic Advent. And for others, this is simply a virtuous moral enterprise that is incumbent upon any person of good will.
There is an aspect of probability here with someone arising who would expose the Oligarchy, but to my knowledge, there has been no credible confession to date.
And there will be none, because one does not “confess” to virtue.
Rockefeller’s prideful little admission of participation in forwarding the NWO is conclusive and dispositive of the issue, properly framed and in consideration of what a responsible participant would be prepared to say.
I invite you to understand how the Jews regard themselves, and not to comprehend and anticipate them from the standpoint of an underclass participant in their regime.
If I understand correctly, you are saying that by interpreting the continual output of events, we can ascertain the agenda of the Oligarchy. But how is it that you are able to make this connection between interpreting events and your conclusion of the agenda? The CJQT would propose a different agenda, why are your conclusions the correct ones?
Because of my more inclusive survey of events (World and Comparative History and Philosophy of History) and consequent greater sophistication in understanding their rationale in politico-economic and (cultural) evolutionary terms. And it is the case that matters of degree are involved rather than mutual exclusivity, such that reasonable men can disagree as to a depiction of the case.
How are you able to determine that the rise of China is intentional, and part of the aim of an Oligarchy?
Secret collaboration in its achievement, from the beginning.
Christianity is an artificial form of ethics and morality that attempts to alter the natural world of human behavior (and I subscribe to the view that this is a good thing, populations benefit greatly from Christian morals).
When have “Christian morals” ever been realized, for the most part, in the sinners’ anticipated perpetual violation of their unrealizable tenets - leading “naturally” to hypocrisy, secular fatuities derived therefrom, and the crimes against humanity of the institutions founded upon this intrinsic duplicity? It’s a good question as to whether Christianity has restrained and palliated more crime and suffering than it has rationalized and inflicted.
I don’t see any evidence of large-scale vote tampering.
Nor have I claimed any. It is simply a minor device available in the tool box of much more effective means.
It also does not seem to follow that because of the Iron Law of Oligarcy, there must be a true oligarchy (something different than our elected representatives),…
Then you do not understand the Iron Law.
…and that oligarchy must be a hidden Jewish one.
In the present circumstance, it falls to the Jews by default and under pretense, for obvious reasons.
There are those within this group that dreams of Menachem Begin’s Judeo world empire. However, this does not appear to be a widespread belief or a goal sought after by the majority of elite Jews, such as Mortimer Zuckerman or Joseph Lieberman. There does not appear to be a council of “Learned Elders of Zion” that are the real power-brokers, working toward diabolical goals.
I agree, as this is not my thesis, as explained immediately above.
4) The Jewish elite appear to plan, debate and opinionate in conventional media, thinktanks and policy groups, and influence events using mainly conventional means such as politics.
So much history you do not know.
You must make a start on Revisionist History, none of which you’ve mentioned, and evidently with which you are not familiar.
The *pivotal* events of the last century were manipulated to the ends of Jewry very much sub rosa.
The goal of elite Jewry seems to be to pursue perceived Jewish interests, especially the protection of Israel.
Such is the prominent present concern. The past century, however, was the era of Judeo-Communist projects, for the most part.
5) The conspiracies that do exist (perhaps WTC/Kennedy Assassination) seem to be ad hoc operations established for a particular purpose, to carry out limited goals…. I don’t see a wider agenda beyond protecting Israel and Jewry as a whole.
Then, again, you must read of the operations that involved the West in the creation, enhancement, and defense of the Communist regimes.
As part of the pursuit of Jewish interests, Jews attempt to influence politicians in high places as much as possible.
I would use the stronger word, “manipulate,” since elite Jewry is not merely a pressure group, but is an oligarchy that *rules* with lies more than violence, as a primary and preliminary resort. They will try to govern with persuasion, rather than giving orders in betrayal of their actual power, as would benevolent parents, but will eventually resort to stronger measures as required to achieve their ends.
A prime example is the influence of the Neocons over Bush. However, the Neocons appear to be a minority group within Jewry, which as a whole opposed Bush’s election.
An excellent observation in support of recognition that *Judeo-Communism* is the older, larger, and more powerful element in the Jewish community and elite.
It occurs to me though, that if your desire is to persuade others towards the Advanced JQ Theory, why have you not written a pamphlet or treatise on the subject?
In effect, I have - somewhat in the disjointed fashion of N., himself.
However, there does not appear to be evidence of an agenda to enslave or obliterate the goyim.
I agree. They seek, rather, to liberate us from ordered existence.
There are organizations such as the Bilderbergers that support and work towards one-World government, and powerful individuals such as the Rockefellers support these organizations. However, while these groups are influential, it does not seem that they actually manage world events or are part of a greater Jewish Oligarchy.
You give the impression of not having read/studied history until 1990 - as though you are now in your 20’s.
Before the advent of the Kosher-cons, Rockefeller and Rothschild were very much the semi-public managers of world events.
9) All those that are seen as interfering with Jewish interests are mercilessly hounded and pursued by Jews internationally (Irving, Zundel, Duke, etc.) However, this seems to be explained by Jewish networking, assisted by groups such as the SPLC and ADL, rather than something deeper.
LOL. And the Jews are so unimaginative as not to take advantage of a global “network,” in pursuit of “deeper” objectives and with super-ordinate organization.
10) US politics are influenced strongly by Jews, who leverage their influence through the MSM and heavy funding of candidates. However, beyond that, Jewish influence appears to be limited. The political process generally appears to work as advertised, without rigged elections or the screening of candidates by unseen groups (vetting does occur, but seems to be done in ways we know about, such as AIPAC’s activities as disclosed by others).
When a war involving Jewish interests is in prospect, Jewry enlists the executive as a dictator (Wilson/FDR/Bush).
11) The unfolding of events such as the rise of China do not seem to be the result of Jewish planning, but rather the outcome of economic and population trends.
To be so young again. [sigh]
Read about the McCarthy Era. IPR. Owen Lattimore. Secretary of State Marshall. Chiang Kai Shek.
Jewish businesses find China’s expansion to be advantageous for obtaining increased profits and thus act opportunistically. Jews encourage foreign immigration to increase their security against the potential dangers of a White majority. Likewise with the Mexicanization of California. As Mestizos gain political control, they convert the state into the third-world, and Whites naturally flee third-world conditions. Neither outcomes appear to be the result of conscious efforts to achieve them by Jewry.
That which they permit would seem to be that which they desire.
In my humble opinion, you have not yet provided a good case why any of the above it not correct. You seem to be saying that it is imperative that I study political economy in depth (with emphasis on Spengler and Nietzsche of course) before I will be able to truly understand the situation, thus forcing me to take my brother’s ADD medication so I can concentrate. I guess this means that I am not capable at this time of grasping the Advanced JQ Theory.
I did not grasp it until I was in my 40’s - so - pop a pill and get started.
“The destruction of the West would lead to the collapse of a Chinese Marxist regime and to global anarchy, as intended.”
Then why would China destroy the West?
It seems to me you’re saying that while the Judeo-Communists are smart enough to see that if China destroys the West it will lead to its own collapse, the Chinese themselves lack this degree of foresight.
Then why would China destroy the West?
“Aw shut up, silly woman, said that reptile with a grin - you knew darn well I was a snake before you took me in!” (”The Snake”)
It’s The Scorpion and the Frog.
It’s the meaning, purpose, and unifying principle of a Marxist regime.
So the West is the bourgeois vehicle and obstacle to the eschaton, the stateless final society promised by the ideology - the millenium, in Christian terms.
It seems to me you’re saying that while the Judeo-Communists are smart enough to see that if China destroys the West it will lead to its own collapse, the Chinese themselves lack this degree of foresight.
To the contrary. The Chinese, as do the Russians, understand that their ultimate goal is global statelessness. Thus the “collapse” of any State, having served its purposes, is a victory, in Marxist terms. The Russian Communists, in shedding the Soviet pseudo-empire, are even farther along than the Chinese. Mao was premature in dismantling China, before it had a chance to compromise the West, and the “technocrats” under Deng had to retrieve the situation, to that end.
Also, understand that the “liberalism,” of both the modern Left and Right, in the West, is quasi-anarchist - in the libertarian disposition of the Right and in the anti-establishment sentiment of the Left. Thus the orientation and appeal of Communism, properly understood as crypto-anarchism, is not surprising, and is supposedly an ideological cousin, descended from Enlightenment thought.
But Marxist Communism *is not* properly recognized by adherents of these bourgeois concessions to reality, because, despite sharing with radicals some of the same liberationist sentiments, they are confused as to this convergence by radical fatuity and brutality in the antithetical (police-statist/megacidal) structure and governance of radical regimes.
Nevertheless, Marx *is* explicit in the promise he makes. But that promise is *unrealizable* amidst the intractable limitations on the administration of human society. And the tragic results of the attempts to overcome those limitations make the Communist goal *unrecognizable* amidst the inhumanity of the means to which the radicals must resort in establishing, maintaining, and advancing the regimes needed toward achieving the promised world-wide liberation.
“Good summary up to this point - but my sense of the “ultimate design” involves global anarchy rather than empire. Though it is evident that a *non-sectarian* expectation of one-world-government is held by the goyische paladins involved.”
Well, it would have saved us some time and trouble if you had provided this summary at the beginning, but for some reason you appear to enjoy seeing people bump their head and stub their toe in the dark before finding the light switch and figuring out what what you believe. You are well-informed and your theory is certainly cohesive. A possible problem is that there is a possibility you impute too much to the Jews, that you ascribe to them power that they do not have. Abe Foxman mentions this misconception in Kievsky’s excellent movie “Defamation” (he links to it in his article). If there are constant storms and incidents of inclement weather, that does not necessarily mean that there is an unseen intelligence or machine behind the scenes causing it all. If there are Jews continually involved in world events, that does not necessarily mean that there is an unseen organization behind it all. At present, as I attempt to understand the Jews, the Conventional JQ Theory seems to provide the greatest illumination on the “light among nations”. I will continue my studies though, and perhaps in time I will see further.
“It seems to me that grading a people on their success against the invasion of an extremely intelligent hostile elite an unfair one Define “fair,” please.”
Regarding evaluating a people, I am an unreliable judge, completely biased, hopelessly in love with my people. When I see a statuesque blonde, who is caring and loving, or a tall, noble White male, who thinks ever about building things, I don’t want them to change. They are exactly the way that nature intended them to be, with traits selected for since the dawn of Whitey. Faulting them for not being like the Semites is “unfair” in the sense of having expectations for the impossible. They would never have prospered in their ice age environment had they been cunning, mendacious ethnocentrists. You see the wolf pack preying upon the great herds of majestic elk, and condemn those noble creatures for not being more wolf-like. But the wolf is a niche survival strategy. Of course, I am also confident that with time, hardship, and the realization of true threat, there will be an awakening amongst Whites. I think that your view contains an overlarge amount of misanthropy.
“It also does not seem to follow that because of the Iron Law of Oligarcy, there must be a true oligarchy (something different than our elected representatives),…
Then you do not understand the Iron Law.”
I think that a more precise term for this is the “General Law of Oligarchy”. While a useful concept, I don’t think it has been established to the extent of well-understood phenomenon like Newton’s Law of Motion, as we are attempting to predict human behavior, which is relatively unpredictable. We could find probably find various exceptions to the law of Oligarchy, perhaps the long-lived democracy of Iceland is an example.
“It occurs to me though, that if your desire is to persuade others towards the Advanced JQ Theory, why have you not written a pamphlet or treatise on the subject? In effect, I have - somewhat in the disjointed fashion of N., himself.”
When you are ready to post this, I will be interested in reading it, assuming I have the background to understand it.
“You give the impression of not having read/studied history until 1990 - as though you are now in your 20’s.”
Im actually in my 30’s, but I suffer from chronic immaturity.
“I guess this means that I am not capable at this time of grasping the Advanced JQ Theory. I did not grasp it until I was in my 40’s - so - pop a pill and get started.”
Okay, but first I need to finish the comic books on my reading list.