Yearning for (the other) Zion

Yearning for Zion

National Geographic has written a relatively balanced and comprehensive article on the FLDS (Fundamentalist Mormon) communities throughout the American Southwest. They’re explicitly racial, have one of the highest fertility rates in the world, are completely self-sufficient, and leverage media and technology in defense of tradition and family rather than against it. The government and the media are becoming increasingly concerned about and focused on Latter-Day Saint movement for good reason: it poses the last credible threat to their hegemony in the West.

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  1. “One small correction, though, is that you actually share as many genes with a half sibling as you do with an Uncle or Aunt, as opposed to a first cousin.”

    You are right; I forgot siblings share only 50% of genes, and took for granted that they had exactly the same ancestors and ethnic composition.

    I am happy we agree the traditional model (usually large families on a farm) is superior to polygamy. I also prefer it over our current system. At least on the micro-level, finding a plot of land, and starting at least a mini-farm is much easier than it sounds and than today’s cultural leaders want us to know.

    The reason it’s so hard is because land speculation makes even small plots very expensive for those under 30. And even small-scale construction can be expesive. But, after procuring land, and constructing half-decent shelter, it’s not as hard or foolish as the Big Money Men and Feminists would want young White Americans to believe.

  2. Desmond Jones has posted many interesting comments at Majority Rights about how Christianity was adaptive for Europeans by controlling sexuality and because of its emphasis on monogamy, which weakened extended family kinship and allowed for the rise of non-kinship based reciprocity and nationalism.

  3. “To hell with fairness, we’re in a war.”
    “FLDS type group where the Completed Fertility Rate is 12 children per Woman.”

    I need the polygamy-promoters to explain something to me. If we’re in a war, (and I agree) you’re going to need a LOT of warriors. How are you going to persuade a bunch of young men to fight and risk their lives in order to set up a system where only a few of the men get all the women? Some will be dumb enough to assume that he, himself, will be one of the lucky ones. But the smarter young men are going to look around, realize their odds aren’t all THAT great of being one of the Big Men and quite probably choose the status quo, where at least they have some chance of some lovin’.

    As far as the FLDS women having 12 kids, why are we assuming that it’s the polygamy, per se, causing it? Why are we not assuming it’s merely the religiousity?

    I also don’t understand why a huge birthrate is so very necessary to win the coming demo-war. After all, these breeders are mestizoes we’re talking about. They’re not particularly bright. You are White men. When fighting for your homes and wives and children, you are the only unstoppable force on earth. A few well-armed well-trained commandoes routinely take out many multiples of enemies. Not to mention your inventiveness in figuring out ways to maximize the kill rate of the other side while protecting your own. A medium size White army could surely empty America of the mexinvaders in a few weeks / months (aided by cowardly mestizoes who wisely return to mexico all by themselves.) All that is lacking is the will. If we Whites regain our will in time, (and I’m starting to think we just might, at that) and relieve the Jews of power, then a 3.0 / woman birthrate would soon return America to an optimal population level of, say, 150 million.

  4. I need the polygamy-promoters to explain something to me. If we’re in a war, (and I agree) you’re going to need a LOT of warriors. How are you going to persuade a bunch of young men to fight and risk their lives in order to set up a system where only a few of the men get all the women? Some will be dumb enough to assume that he, himself, will be one of the lucky ones. But the smarter young men are going to look around, realize their odds aren’t all THAT great of being one of the Big Men and quite probably choose the status quo, where at least they have some chance of some lovin’.

    Another out-of-the-park homerun from Boudicca Barbara!

    So well said, and so, so true as well.

  5. “I need the polygamy-promoters to explain something to me. If we’re in a war, (and I agree) you’re going to need a LOT of warriors. How are you going to persuade a bunch of young men to fight and risk their lives in order to set up a system where only a few of the men get all the women? Some will be dumb enough to assume that he, himself, will be one of the lucky ones. But the smarter young men are going to look around, realize their odds aren’t all THAT great of being one of the Big Men and quite probably choose the status quo, where at least they have some chance of some lovin’.”

    I’m not saying we should turn the entire Country into a massive FLDS compound, where Polygamy is pretty much mandatory.

    I’m just saying that Polygamy’s effect on the birthrate is good enough that the practice should be legalized, allowing the free market to decide its prevalence without the interference of the Government.

    Also, the really smart young Men will realize that with fertility improving Polygamy, they’ll on average have more children.

    I realize some people would rather have a sure $5,000 as opposed to a 50% chance of getting $20,000, but that doesn’t change the fact that on average you’ll be better off with a 50% chance of getting 20 Grand.

    And actually the pattern of Humans having an illogical preference for the sure thing has been shown by studies to be shared much less by people with higher IQs.

    “As far as the FLDS women having 12 kids, why are we assuming that it’s the polygamy, per se, causing it? Why are we not assuming it’s merely the religiosity?”

    Polygamy allows all Women to easily achieve Marriage, which provides an important fertility advantage.

    “I also don’t understand why a huge birthrate is so very necessary to win the coming demo-war. After all, these breeders are mestizoes we’re talking about. They’re not particularly bright. You are White men. When fighting for your homes and wives and children, you are the only unstoppable force on earth. A few well-armed well-trained commandoes routinely take out many multiples of enemies. Not to mention your inventiveness in figuring out ways to maximize the kill rate of the other side while protecting your own. A medium size White army could surely empty America of the mexinvaders in a few weeks / months (aided by cowardly mestizoes who wisely return to mexico all by themselves.) All that is lacking is the will. If we Whites regain our will in time, (and I’m starting to think we just might, at that) and relieve the Jews of power, then a 3.0 / woman birthrate would soon return America to an optimal population level of, say, 150 million.”

    Without a significant minority of Whites achieving Mega-Fertility, it is likely that Hispanics will have taken control of the Federal Government before enough Whites wake up to instigate war against Hispanics.

    Thus in the absence of a high enough White Birthrate, any movement on the part of Whites to regain land lost to Hispanics would have to successfully defeat both Hispanics AND the Government, at the same time.

    That would be a serious problem..

  6. To put it simply:

    A Low White Birthrate = Whites Become the Minority Sooner.

    Whites Become the Minority Sooner = A Greatly Increased Likelihood that the Inevitable Race War will occur in a Time Where Politicians Will Have More Votes to Gain by Using the Power of the Government AGAINST the Whites.

    A Greatly Increased Likelihood that the Inevitable Race War will occur in a Time Where Politicians Will Have More Votes to Gain by Using the Power of the Government AGAINST the Whites = A Greatly Increased Likelihood that the Whites Will Lose.

    Thus improving the White Birthrate is of profound importance, even given that it takes few White Men to militarily defeat many Mexicans.

  7. “Polygamy allows all Women to easily achieve Marriage, which provides an important fertility advantage.”

    And if they ‘play their cards right,’ almost all women can easily get married with monogamy. It’s men, and always men who have to struggle for a mate.

  8. “And if they ‘play their cards right,’ almost all women can easily get married with monogamy.”

    It’s a question of timing though. Often a White Woman will expend the best 5 to 15 years of her reproductive life trying to find a Macho Man interested in settling down with her.

    With Polygamy, Women have easy access to Macho Men, and thus can marry earlier.

    Earlier Marriage correlates with Increased Fertility.

  9. On the subject of Hugh Hefner, the vast majority of the women residing in his mansion have never been committed to him in a binding long term relationship.

    And the only one that was, Playmate of the Year Kimberley Conrad, bore him two children in a relationship that lasted only 9 years.

    When a Woman isn’t in a binding long term relationship with a man she is involved with sexually, she is FAR less likely to bear his children.

    In contrast, by definition Polygamy involves binding long term relationships.

    Also, it is worth noting that the women in Hugh Hefner’s mansion were selected for the quality of being slutty by the fact that Hefner required them to take off all their clothes in a widely available Men’s Magazine before allowing them to move in.

    Sluts are less interested in Children, and more interested in Birth Control, than the average Woman is.

  10. “I’m just saying that Polygamy’s effect on the birthrate is good enough that the practice should be legalized, allowing the free market to decide its prevalence without the interference of the Government. ”

    But, the problem there is, how would you manage to GET legalization? Polygamy has been a nuh-uh since America’s beginning. It seems to me the only way to GET polygamy legalized is, you’re going to have to overthrow the current gov’t. But if you can manage THAT, then turning right around and ridding ourselves of the mestizo-plague will be but the work of a moment — in which case, the worry about the mestizoes’ vastly outnumbering us making it possible for them to grab governmental power to annihilate us has been negated.

    I think a better solution to keep White birthrates at a good level is to appeal to White women’s nature (ladyraine notwithstanding) – that is, make motherhood an occupation of High Status again. Most normal White women, if they were to get social approval for baby-making and they feel they can reasonably afford it, WILL have the babies their heart desires.

    But this’ll take a minute to explaing my thinking how to get there. Please bear with me.
    MY theory of the basic reason for the birthrate collapse is the Fed-caused (Jewish) inflation. Inflation is a hidden tax. Since the ’70s, the average man’s wage has NOT kept up with inflation, so his wife has gone out into the world to earn the money to fill the gap. Essentially, what she is really doing is paying her husband’s inflation-tax. Which means she can’t be home to nurture the kids. The working-mom/ daycare ratrace is just. too. much. to cope with if you’ve got more than one kid. Even just one is very hard, depending on the occupation. I’m not telling you guys anything you didn’t already know.
    So:
    Eliminate the Fed. Return to sound money. Populace uprising to reenact tariffs and DEMAND laws which will “encourage” (i.e., punish multinational corporations for their disloyalty) manufacturing to come back so the man can win the bread once again.
    Also, why don’t we start charities, right now, that will give “seed money” to young White couples that they can afford family formation? The jews will howl “racist.” Who cares? If it’s voluntary charity and we don’t allow them in to subvert it like happened with Ford Foundation, then at least at the moment I don’t think the Feds will be able to shoot us for it, will they?

    You see, there are, I am still hopeful, SOME things that can be done with the system as it stands. We’ve still got a few decades. I really am optimistic that the historical pattern of Jewish hubris causing them to push too far too fast followed by the inevitable backlash / expulsion / removal of them from power really is running its normal course on its normal timetable. This particular clash of the age-old jew/gentile struggle MAY resolve without rivers of blood, yet.

    If my optimism is wrong and the day comes that the jews are successful in their campaign of race-replacement such that the mestizoes get the numbers to grab the gov’t and start rounding us up, well, then we few left may just have to bug out to the hills and take (kidnap?) as many women as we can. At which time, if there are few males, then yeah, the girls’ll have to share.

    But in the event we win and retake power, I can’t see how polygamy will benefit our people.

  11. “I think a better solution to keep White birthrates at a good level is to appeal to White women’s nature (ladyraine notwithstanding) – that is, make motherhood an occupation of High Status again.”

    Good idea. I’m all for medals to mothers of high birthrates. National recognition of mothers who have been exceptional, etc. Take the money we give Israel and all these third world countries and use it to pay mortgages of families of 10+ children to encourage child birth. Whatever it takes. I’m so sick of the lowest form of females such as celebrity whores getting all the attention.

    Actually this is something the American Third Position needs to advocate.

  12. “But, the problem there is, how would you manage to GET legalization? Polygamy has been a nuh-uh since America’s beginning. It seems to me the only way to GET polygamy legalized is, you’re going to have to overthrow the current gov’t.”

    The seeds of legalized Polygamy are being planted by Homosexual Activists. If the Supreme Court rules on the situation in California, the way forward will become clear.

    And it will involve legal arguments, as opposed to guns or trying to persuade voters.

    And yes, Women being forced into the Workplace has been absolutely devastating to the White Birthrate.

    See here for Statistical confirmation:
    http://theoccidentalobserver.net/tooblog/?p=584&cpage=2#comment-3009

    “Eliminate the Fed. Return to sound money. Populace uprising to reenact tariffs and DEMAND laws which will “encourage” (i.e., punish multinational corporations for their disloyalty) manufacturing to come back so the man can win the bread once again.”

    Sounds good to me. Hopefully if Rand Paul wins in Kentucky, it will help things along on this front.

    “Also, why don’t we start charities, right now, that will give ‘seed money’ to young White couples that they can afford family formation? The jews will howl ‘racist.’ Who cares? If it’s voluntary charity and we don’t allow them in to subvert it like happened with Ford Foundation, then at least at the moment I don’t think the Feds will be able to shoot us for it, will they?”

    That is really a genius idea. And it is something that would be allowed, at this time at least.

    I guess it would sort of be a reverse Project Prevention. The only question is where to get the money.

    “But in the event we win and retake power, I can’t see how polygamy will benefit our people.”

    I agree that if we reach that point without having already legalized Polygamy, there’d be no real reason to legalize it.

    In such a case we would have the luxury of maintaining the somewhat charming Western Cultural Artifact called Monogamy.

  13. “The seeds of legalized Polygamy are being planted by Homosexual Activists. If the Supreme Court rules on the situation in California, the way forward will become clear.

    And it will involve legal arguments, as opposed to guns or trying to persuade voters.”

    I see.
    Fascinating. There’s some delicious irony in that, then, isn’t there? The jews’ promotion of homosexuality, as one more strategy in their attempts to crush the White birthrate, might lead to some White men siring far more children than otherwise would have been possible.

  14. “I guess it would sort of be a reverse Project Prevention. The only question is where to get the money”

    We need a pro-White billionaire. Are there any to be found? Mel Gibson, maybe? If we could find one to provide the start-up funds, I’d certainly toss in a few dollars.

  15. I’m not one for hermeneutics, either. Would you mind clarifying. Both St. Augustine and I are a bit confused on what the Bible teaches, here.

    Well, I suppose I should say I’m a Westminster Standards, Calvinist kinda guy. Yes Augustine wasn’t opposed and neither was Luther. Despite being right about a lot, they were wrong here.

    Luther actually performed, or at least gave his blessing, to some second marriages.

  16. “I see.
    Fascinating. There’s some delicious irony in that, then, isn’t there? The jews’ promotion of homosexuality, as one more strategy in their attempts to crush the White birthrate, might lead to some White men siring far more children than otherwise would have been possible.”

    Yes indeed.

    “We need a pro-White billionaire. Are there any to be found? Mel Gibson, maybe?”

    Gibson is probably the closest to one outside of Vladimir Putin, who is thought by many to be a billionaire, and who in 2008 instituted a Government program in his Country providing financial rewards to the Russian mothers of more than one child.

    Also in 2008 the Russian Government instituting major cultural programs promoting childbirth and childrearing.

    And fascinatingly, 2008 was the first year in DECADES to see an significant increase in the Russian Average Birth Sequence, a way of measuring fertility that does a much better job of taking into account that women vary across different time periods in when they have children.

    In 2008 Russia’s ASB increased 4.4% to 1.66 after never having being higher than 1.61 all the way back to 1993.

    And Putin recently announced that when the 2009 figures are released, they will show Russia as having its first Population Increase in 15 years!

    http://www.thehimalayantimes.com/fullNews.php?headline=Putin+trumpets+first+Russian++population+growth+since+1995&NewsID=217859

    So it seems that financial incentives and Pro-Birth cultural programs work, or at least they do when you have the Government behind them.

  17. A note on Gibson: his father is a VERY strong conservative, and perhaps not coincidentally, Mel has lived the ideal of high White Fertility better than any other modern movie actor, with 8 white children to his credit.

  18. Whatever happened to the Aryan/Nordic Myth – speaking of ethno-religion?

    The Myth that Whites were/are responsible for all ordered and advanced society still has lots to recommend it.

    I suppose, though, that the re-emergence of the numbskull peasant-populist impulse in the Whitewing has suppressed expression of the old sentiments supportive of nobility of perspective.

  19. NeoNietzsche,
    The conundrum is that Whites are the singular cause of the civilizational habitat but are maladapted to it. The White race, like a fearsome deep sea squid, is reduced to a puddle of rancid slime when removed from its highly pressurized natural habitat. Jews, Mandarins, Brahmins, Gypsies and other civilizational sub-species will continue to outperform us at being civilized because they’re both memetically and genetically evolved for this habitat.

    Returning to the precivilized myths when we’re no longer in a precivilized habitat is thoroughly anachronistic. The one advantage we Whites and we Whites alone have is the capacity for creating novel habitats. We could potentially devise a new social order, a new habitat which selects for and favors our characteristics. I believe these FLDS folks may be on the right track.

  20. Returning to the precivilized myths when we’re no longer in a precivilized habitat is thoroughly anachronistic.

    I have the impression that the oligarchs of the present dispensation are successfully employing precisely such an anachronism in sustaining their unity and agenda.

    So I suggest that Whites make a start toward that sort of self-concept by carrying themselves as warriors, in spirit, rather than as bourgeois businessmen (of which I am one, in fact) and rather than as puritanical peasants (of which there are too many ridiculous examples, here).

    Start openly carrying an automatic weapon. Imagine the reaction if the minorities woke up one day to find every White openly armed.

  21. NeoNietzsche
    Start openly carrying an automatic weapon.

    Do you mean semi-automatic? Because not many Americans have the necessary permits to own fully automatic weapons.

  22. OR,

    I believe that, when speaking of sidearms, “automatic” may be used to refer to semi-automatic pistols and not just a Maschinenpistole capable of burst fire. I just took a look, and my sidearm (HK USP) has “.45 Automatic” stamped on the side of it.

    This thing is capable of three-round bursts:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HK_VP70Z_1890.jpg

    Is it very difficult to get the tax stamp necessary to purchase fully automatic weapons? I don’t know, as I’ve never looked into the subject. I live in NJ, and we are forced to practically undergo a colonoscopy just to gain a “Firearm ID Card,” which entitles one to purchase rifles and other long guns. Every time you want a pistol, you must apply for it (and pay a fee, of course) and don’t even think about getting a CCW in this state.

    One of the early red flags for me regarding Hal Turner was the fact that he walked around fully armed in NJ, bragging about his CCW. Unless you are very rich AND politically well-connected, they are simply not issued in this state. When I went to my local police department to inquire about this subject, the duty sergeant literally laughed in my face. He told me that perhaps if I owned a jewelry store and carried around millions of dollars in diamonds every day, or if I had previously been the victim of an extremely violent crime, they would grant it, but never to a person like me. When I asked Hal Turner how he obtained his, he laughed at me and said, “don’t worry about it.” I found this extremely troublesome and posted about it on several WN forums at the time.

  23. .45 Automatic – NN

    Yes, .45 is the weakest caliber I would use. To me anything smaller is not adequate in terms of stopping power. Actually for home defense I wouldn’t settle for less than a rifle or shotgun. But in public a .45, .44 automag or FN 5-7 will do nicely.

    To be honest in terms of pistols I prefer revolvers because I’ve never known one to jam but neither do they hold double-digit ammunition…

  24. It seems to me like there are two types of gun owners: those who boast of having the most powerful ammo…and those who actually carry theirs regularly.

    Just sayin’.

    I’m probably just being petty about owning a 380 junk pistol.

  25. KP,

    You’re right. I think a 12 gauge shotgun is probably the perfect home defense weapon. It requires very little skill to achieve an accurate result, and you can’t ask for more stopping power.

    Anyone breaking into my home will find themselves on the wrong end of a Mossberg 590 loaded with 00 buckshot and steel slugs.

    However, as you noted, you can’t take long guns everywhere, and revolvers have the ammunition limitation problem you mentioned. The HK USP .45 holds 12 + 1 in the chamber, which is a lot of lead. Hornady manufactures some good “For Personal Defense” rounds in .45 ACP, which perform very well.

  26. It seems to me like there are two types of gun owners: those who boast of having the most powerful ammo…and those who actually carry theirs regularly.

    I “carry regularly” loaded out with Corbon DPX.

    But the point is that you make a statement by carrying openly.

    I put in my time for ten years, until the police gave me a warning for carrying openly in forbidden venues – and suggested that they need not be called out on my account again if I would just carry concealed.

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