Our Elites Have Betrayed Us

Crypto-Aryan raised an interesting question about what our goal should be in terms of birth rates:

How many children is optimal for whites, if you had your druthers, wiki? Replacement rate, a little more, a lot more? i would like to see whites have a slightly higher above replacement level birth rate, to make up for previous years we were below levels. but i don’t think that a rate of five, six, seven per family is good for whites, or for the planet.

He asked this in response to my post yesterday where I challenged a prejudice held by some in the WN community against people with high birthrates:

I would love to see us break the welfare state in half with a demographic tsunami of White children from across the spectrum of intelligence and ability. And if well-bred Whites aren’t doing their part, then we Whites from the trailer parks should be congratulated for doing ours. Besides, FLDS compounds and Orthodox Jewish families demonstrate that the whole dichotomy is specious. One can have a large family AND invest heavily in the offspring.

Not everybody agrees that our birthrates should be higher. Some very prominent ideologues in the movement, namely Dr. Pierce and Ben Klassen, believed that the world is overpopulated, that it would do well to have, say, perhaps 20 million humans (all of them White, naturally). I dismiss that idea for a variety of moral and strategic reasons, but Crypto-Aryan’s implied concerns about environmentalism and sustainability are valid concerns. There could be such a thing as too many White people (unless we colonize space…).

Our most immediate political concern is that our declining populations are making the borders we drew up in healthier times less and less sustainable. How long can we continue to claim Siberia while failing to populate or defend it? Will China continue to sit on its hands despite its burgeoning population, thirst for Siberia’s resources, and sprawling army of men without wives? Will we continue to claim America’s Southwest long after we’ve become the foreigners? How long will Europe’s Islamic invaders humor our traditions and institutions when they outnumber us?

For me, the overarching issue is that of stewardship. An elite which is well-educated and truly loyal to its community would be able to identify threats, challenges, and opportunities, directing us to behave accordingly. In the present situation, it would probably encourage us to strive for independence and frugality while raising large families at arm’s length from the modernist milieu. At some point in the future, they could recognize that our population is unsustainable and potentially destabilizing. They would then react accordingly.

China’s Mandarin caste, operating under the avatar of the Communist Party, is an excellent example of how a noble elite directs its community toward success. At first, it implemented the One Child policy to bring spiraling birthrates under control. Now, it’s incentivizing mass migration to Tibet and Turkestan in order to consolidate its borders. They’ve also encouraged immigration, including illegal immigration, into Russia’s Far East. The Israeli elite are doing the same thing in the West Bank, pretending to be striving toward “peace” while patiently securing the realm.

Imagine if our government offered free land to working class Whites along the Mexican border in order to Americanize the Southwest. Imagine if our government offered the same kinds of college subsidization incentives for having children that it offers for volunteering to die in the desert for Israel. This question, like so many questions, leads me back around to our foremost problem: our elites have betrayed us.

26 Comments

  1. Do you have any children, Wiki?

    The world is overpopulated, with non-White third world people. It’s not a “prejudice,” which is typical Jewish/leftist rhetoric. In fact a reduction in non-White birth rates in their home countries would benefit them, us and the environment.

    Simply having more White children is not a fix to our situation. Non-White immigration including adoption, miscegenation and non-White birth rates are the greater problems.

  2. Mark,
    My wife and I are unable to have children. I exhort people to have as many children as they can, but respect that there are special considerations. If my remarks have been taken as an accusation, I apologize. If I could have children, I would. Beyond that, I ask that my personal situation stay off the table.

    My essay makes very clear that the issue of White birthrates is not the singular fix to our situation. Additionally, the other things you bring up aren’t the problem, either. As I state, the problem is that our elites have betrayed us. The potential solution, which I intend to explore in future posts, is obvious from that: our elites must either be rehabilitated or replaced.

    I did allow the jewy word “prejudice” to slip into my post. I try to avoid that whenever I can. What would have been a better word? Bias? Beef? It’d probably be best to rework the entire sentence.

  3. My condolences to you and your wife. I didn’t mean to pry just was curious what perspective you were coming from.

    I don’t take your argument personally, it doesn’t apply to me. I just think there are greater priorities.

    I agree about the elites, they must be replaced, the sooner the better. However immigration, miscegenation and non-White fecundity are greater problems than White birth rates. We even have some mischlings running around here claiming to be White, so obviously miscegenation is an issue. It’s been an issue for centuries and it’s getting worse.

  4. If I had a nickel for every childless “White Nationalist” I would have enough money to buy a homeland for us all to slowly kill ourselves off by cowardly refusing to be parents.

    Why is it so hard for us to understand that having children is a blessing? A racially conscious intelligent man or woman with many children is worth more to our cause then a 1000 “Vanguardists” typing at their computers. I don’t mean to be caustic, but this is getting ridiculous.

    My wife is pregnant with our second and we plan on having at least one probably two more. I can tell right now that we have never regretted a moment of being parents. We are more happy now than we have EVER been. I can’t imagine not being a father. It would be the equivalent of living like a terminally ill patient.

    You can’t be a hero to your people until you are a hero in the eyes of your own children. It’s so simple, but too many of us just keep missing the point.

  5. You may think acting like welfare addicts, to ‘break the state’ is a great idea… but you fail to think about how that psychology affects the individuals who adopt it!

    Next thing you will have whites acting like entitlement welfare left wing victim whiners…. and there will be absolutely nothing to feel proud about ‘being white’ for.. cause your behaviour will be the same as the average n***r.

  6. Whites need higher birthrates but we also need to be recolonizing the lands we lost in the 20th century. Non-whites simply breed and consume until all the resources are gone. China used up considerable resources during their industrialization and they still have a large peasant class. It’s time for us to retake our former colonies and set up all-white nations there. Recolonize Haiti with a few thousand Whites and you’d have a prosperous and environmentally healthy nation.

    Haiti has a current population of 10 million within a boundary of only 10,714 sq. miles. Texas has an official population of 25 million within a boundary of 268,820 sq. miles. (The White population of Texas, which made a majority of the population until recently, is probably 40% or less.) Whites could rebuild Haiti with the population of a small town. Non-Whites will continue to let it crumble into ruins.

  7. @DeDeckert
    I reiterate that my essay was not intended to chastise those who don’t have children. I want to offer all the positive encouragement that I can for people to have children, but I’m not going to stand in judgment of anybody on what can be a very intimate and complicated situation.
    You can imply with your quotes that we who fail to reproduce aren’t even White Nationalists, but we all do what we can, and not all of us can have children. We can be heroes, too. Being childless is not tantamount to being terminally ill. Those who can have children but haven’t should be persuaded and encouraged, not insulted and degraded.

  8. We Whites are the only ones debating the pros and cons of having more children while every other race us striving for maximum production. This isn’t a complicated issue. And yes, I do have children.

  9. I think that if anything, the White demographic is undercounted because of the White flight of the last 40 years to rural & semi-rural areas, and the fact that at least half or more of the White post high school students go away to college or trade schools in other areas, and are under counted, if counted at all.

    It may not seem this way to you who are stuck living around the third world in California, Florida, or the metro New York City area. But out in the hinterlands, there are lots of folks who were not here just 10, or 20 years ago. LOL.

  10. @Wiki
    My point was not to be degrading, but to be adamant about how important children are to everything we are. I appreciate the work you do and if you cannot have children then I am not only sympathetic to you, but I wasn’t directing my comments at people like you in the first place. If you were offended then I am truly sorry.

    Yet, my argument remains this: Having children should not be a “choice.” It should be an moral-spiritual imperative. Being a parent makes you a better person. It forces you to perform a gutcheck every morning to make sure you are focused and ready for whatever comes. That readiness stems from a primal urge to protect your home and family. Parenting builds courage and vision. These are traits our movement desperately needs. We WN’s have forgotten how important family is. It is the bedrock of our peoplehood.

    Why would anyone “choose” not to have children? What could be more important? Our movement? There is no “movement” without a next generation.

    First things first: Be a dad or a mom. Then type and complain and stomp your feet. (Again, not directed at you or anyone in particular, but this movement is littered with Angry Do-Nothing Typists at the moment). Did our ancestors make a choice between fighting or having children? NO! They did both. Whether it be Spartans, Anglo-Saxons, Confederates, American Revolutionaries, Roman Legionairres, etc. each left a family behind to fight for. Fighting for abstract concepts might get one to take that first step, but they do not sustain one’s battle position. Having a spouse and children at home reminds one how important it is to defend our way of life. Every day, without knowing it, my child reminds me of how important it is to secure my people’s future. I am doing my part to create that next generation. Because of this, the fight is easier and my life is better.

    Well, thanks for letting me vent. I appreciate you bringing the topic up. I am not upset with anyone here. These are just my thoughts on the present subject. I am a polite person and quite respectful. My intention is to be direct and forthright, not insulting. I hope you can trust that my heart is in the right place.

  11. The only sustainable long-term birthrate is the replacement rate. Any higher and you get a Malthusian Hell, any lower and you go extinct.

    Our birth rates (at least in the US) aren’t much of a problem – it’s the birth rates of other groups that is.

  12. Speaking as someone with one child and another on the way I have to say the 14 words are over-rated.
    We cant fool ourselves to thinking we are somehow “fighting” the system by having kids. I have seen kids from racial familes fall into the Jewish web. So, there is no safe-guard, that your child will not in fact choose to become a Lemming.
    The fight needs to be fought in our life time, we cannot pass it on to our children.

  13. The current system may collapse sooner than many think. Illinois is now insolvent: http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2010/01/illinois-careens-towards-bankruptcy.html

    That means it would be bankrupt if states were covered by federal bankruptcy laws. CA, NY and NJ soon to follow. The good life may soon be only a memory for many or most state and local employees. You may not like govt employees, but they’re about all that remains of the white working and middle classes in much of the country.

  14. “The only sustainable long-term birthrate is the replacement rate. Any higher and you get a Malthusian Hell, any lower and you go extinct.”

    Enough with the Malthusian Bullshit. As long as the White Economy grows faster than the population of Whites, the average White will be no poorer each generation no matter how high the Birthrate is.

    It’s where people are so Low IQ that more people doesn’t equal more economic activity (Africa) that you have the problem of Malthusian issues cropping up, and no place else.

    Stop living in the Pre-Industrial Era…

  15. I would like your measured opinion on these two very insightful essays. They are to the point and without all the typical naysaying, pseudo-intellectual nitpicking, inaction and moral-spiritual relativism that too often characterizes the White Nationalist movement. Which, by the way, is why we attract so many weirdos and immoral creeps. For some strange perverted reason we have forgotten about the importance of fatherhood, motherhood and the family unit. Because we don’t even talk about family values, the Western tradition of the family and the beauty along with the spiritual satisfaction of parenthood we attract self-absorbed childless nutjobs. No “normal” white person – racially conscious or not – wants to be a part of that. I, myself, am beginning to have second thoughts. Many WN’s can sit and type. I will be a great father of MANY children. I will love them with every cell in my body and I will make damn sure they are fully independent in mind, body and spirit. My advice is for everyone to do that proverbial gutcheck and decide who is worth more to the “cause.”
    http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/culture_of_the_hearth/
    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/authors/Donovan-Primer.html

  16. @ ICR Post 14

    I agree. The pensioners, the retirees, are going to lose monthly checks! It happened in the USSR, it’s going to happen here.

    Sure, they still might get a piece of paper mailed to them by the government, but the check will be worth a LOT less.

    Elderly and middle aged White people are going to be in revolt. The Tea Party is already in place. The organization is in place, and I’m confident that there are WN’s well ensconced among them.

    Right now old folks on pensions spend their time golfing in Florida, or spending their money at diners and stores to have a conversation with the store clerks. I have waited in line for an hour behind a pensioned up retiree who wanted to hold forth and talk shop with the store owner. Sure he was buying a big ticket item, but his shop talk didn’t have to do with the item he was buying. He was just showing off about how much he knew, oblivious to people who had other things to do in life than listen to him.

    Those pensions are going away. 401k’s are being confiscated:

    http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/Archives2010/MarketTickerForceTreasuries.html

    401K/IRA Screw Job in the Works

    By Karl Denninger

    Now this is a guaranteed rape job.

    In a short conversation on January 8th that CNBC apparently has omitted from their archives (Why’s that folks?) Rick Santelli was talking about a potential to effectively force money into the Treasury market.

    Where would they get this?

    From your 401k and IRA accounts!

    From Businessweek:

    The U.S. Treasury and Labor Departments will ask for public comment as
    soon as next week on ways to promote the conversion of 401(k) savings
    and Individual Retirement Accounts into annuities or other steady payment
    streams, according to Assistant Labor Secretary Phyllis C. Borzi and Deputy
    Assistant Treasury Secretary Mark Iwry, who are spearheading the effort.

    Let me tell you what this is – it is an attempt to prevent the collapse of the Treasury market!

    Forcing people into Treasuries as an “annuity” is exactly what Social Security allegedly is. Except that Treasury stole the money that was collected in FICA taxes and spent it!

    Guess what? They’ll do that here too – you’re going to “invest” in Treasuries which of course are effectively a CALL option on the future taxing ability of the government.

    The problem is that with an aging population and the immigrant problem (illegal immigrants that is), along with offshoring, the aggregate wage base will drop and thus this is the most dangerous investment of all!

    What’s even worse is that the government has intentionally suppressed Treasury yields during this crisis (and will keep doing so by various means, including manipulating the CPI – the “inflation index” – as they have for the last 30 years) so as to guarantee that you lose over time compared to actual purchasing power.

    THIS HAS BEEN THE CASE SINCE THE 1980s AND IT WILL NOT CHANGE!

    I have been talking about this for quite some time and recall writing a Ticker on it a year or more ago, although I can’t find the entry immediately.

    Let me be clear:

    I have no quarrel with the government mandating that you have a choice in your IRA or 401k account to buy short-duration Treasuries – much like the “G” fund that government and civil-service workers have.

    But – “choices” have a funny way of turning into mandates, and this looks to me like a raw admission that Treasury knows it will not be able to sell its debt in the open market – so they will effectively tax you by forcing your “retirement” money to buy them!

    This may be the only way for Treasury to hold down interest rates to something reasonable in the intermediate term, but doing so will instantaneously remove a major source of funding for the stock market – that is, the monthly and quarterly inflows from retirement accounts.

    You can bet this won’t be good for you, the ordinary American.

    You can also bet that once such an “option” is made available there is a very high probability of the government doing things that either promote or simply don’t stand in the way of another stock market crash as a means of “herding” your money into Treasuries – so they can blow it – all under the guise of being allegedly “safe”.

    Of course this begs the question – what if the government can’t pay down the road when you retire, just as they can’t pay on a forward basis with Social Security and Medicare?

    This “proposal” can only mean one thing – Treasury smells smoke. Maybe you should pay attention to what they’re huffing!

    And before you say “oh they’d never do that” I want you to read this:

    Here is a warning to us all. The Argentine state is taking control of the
    country’s privately-managed pension funds in a drastic move to raise cash.

    My fear is that governments in the US, Britain, and Europe will display similar reflexes. Indeed, they have already done so. The forced-feeding of banks with fresh capital – whether they want it or not – and the seizure of the Fannie/Freddie mortgage giants before they were in fact in trouble (in order to prevent a Chinese buying strike of US bonds and prevent a spike in US mortgage rates), shows that private property can be co-opted – or eliminated – with little due process if that is required to serve the collective welfare.

    Any questions?

  17. Elderly and middle aged White people are going to be in revolt.

    The thing is, the generational compact has been destroyed by capitalism and nobody will care. They go to their graves quietly without children or grandchildren to stand up for them. That, or they’ll get voted into soylent green…

  18. danielj,

    The old whites who sat on their hands as their Country was destroyed can still vote. I mean, why do you think Bush helped bankrupt the Gubbermint to give them Medicare Drug Benefits they didn’t need?

  19. The old whites who sat on their hands as their Country was destroyed can still vote.

    So can illegal immigrants. Have you ever been to a polling station? They don’t even ask for id for heaven’s sake! The elderly aren’t a voting bloc anymore. They are split down the middle between the two parties neutralizing themselves thereby.

  20. mean, why do you think Bush helped bankrupt the Gubbermint to give them Medicare Drug Benefits they didn’t need?

    So drug companies could make money.

  21. “So drug companies could make money.”

    Good point.

    Still, how do you explain that Social Security is called the vaunted “Third Rail” of American Politics?

    Seniors may have their vote split now, but they’d start voting in a manner designed to punish the first of the two Parties that dares to mess with their unearned Government Gravy Train.

  22. “So can illegal immigrants. Have you ever been to a polling station? They don’t even ask for id for heaven’s sake!”

    Seniors are having their voting power diluted by Minorities, that’s for so.

    It just is that in outlining a Soylent Green Scenario you are underestimated the amount of Political Power to will continue to have into the next 3 or 4 decades at the least.

    Remember, George H.W. Bush cut WIC, a program providing food and milk to malnurished children, in preference to cutting Social Security payments that had skyrocketed relative to inflation.

  23. My guess is that politicians are concerned simply with maintaining the entire system and this is impossible without SS payments because no white people maintain inter-generational households. This, despite being a moral tragedy, also poses a problem for capitalism which is externalized onto the public sector. The same thing is true of socialized health care. As the American populace becomes fatter, lazier and uglier, corporations and drug companies are trying to figure out a way to streamline and externalize costs and maintain profits by “socializing.”

    Seniors are window dressing. They are just a fucking photo-op for the drafters of the legislation. They are only there to rubber stamp what is decided behind closed doors without their input or vote.

  24. Remember, George H.W. Bush cut WIC, a program providing food and milk to malnurished children, in preference to cutting Social Security payments that had skyrocketed relative to inflation.

    I’m not sure how much they cut it by but if I do know if I wanted it I could get it and I make six figures. All of my friends go and get it too without any hiccups. I just bother because I like Whole Foods. So maybe Bush just “cut it” on paper.

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