In any competition, it is crucial to accurately analyze both yourself and your competition. If they have strengths, we must identify and study them. If we have weaknesses, we must identify and compensate for them. I’m frequently accused of being less “hardcore” than more strident advocates of White Americans because I often speak of other races in inoffensive and even flattering terms. I often point out problems I see in our own race.
This isn’t because I’m less devoted to our people and our right to secure an independent future. It’s because I believe that victory is obtained through acting on the most honest and objective understanding of reality. If we are defective in some manner, then we should strive to be the first to know it and react to that defect. The worst thing we can possibly do is be so eager to flatter ourselves that we misidentify defects as superior traits and congratulate ourselves for them.
For example, we have low birthrates. This is negative. It’s bad. Failing to reproduce is a bad thing. Our goal is to have unprotected sex with White women. Seriously. How do you fail at that? Yet, to hear many White Nationalists tell it, this is all the more proof of our superiority. The fact that Mexicans sire large families is proof of their inferiority, of their failure to adopt a “high investment” strategy. We don’t burden the welfare state with OUR progeny.
Personally, I would love to see us break the welfare state in half with a demographic tsunami of White children from across the spectrum of intelligence and ability. And if well-bred Whites aren’t doing their part, then we Whites from the trailer parks should be congratulated for doing ours. Besides, FLDS compounds and Orthodox Jewish families demonstrate that the whole dichotomy is specious. One can have a large family AND invest heavily in the offspring.
In many ways, we have a similar reaction to Jewish talent. They’re demonstrably adept with discourse, ingroup loyalty, and delayed gratification. Yet, to hear many of us tell it, the mere act of competing with discourse is inherently dishonorable. Their ingroup loyalty is clannish and conspiratorial. Our failure to delay gratification in terms of resisting debt and rejecting usurious contracts is proof of their perfidy.
We need to determine whether our goal is to win or to make a nice bed for ourselves to lie in, as Mr. Darby put it in the Jim Giles interview. To win, we have to come to terms with just how dysfunctional we’ve become, how our weaknesses have been exploited by our competitors, and how some of our competitors outperform us in critical ways. We have many unique and special traits, traits that have driven us to the pinnacle of creativity and innovation. But it’s time we sobered up and started dealing with some of our other traits.
You like to play devil’s advocate alot and this results in misunderstandings. I didn’t appreciate your thoughts until after I’d discovered that you are actually fairly “hardcore” but don’t cheapen your positions with extreme rhetoric. As a legitimite criticism I think you, and also Hunter, are sometimes too nice to people. The capacity for White people to empathize with others is a trait often taken advantage of in multicultural societies.
In this sense I agree with Ian Jobling that we need to actively build racial consciousness by making people aware of racial differences and the great problems associated with multiracial societies. Why Ian Jobling devotes his time and money to writing essays about John Rawls instead of putting non-white crime onto his mainpage I’ll never understand.
Sam,
I see how people could get the impression that I’m coming at this from the wrong direction or attacking our own at times. You may be right about being too cordial in tone with the opposition. Virtually all of my bile is directed toward the White elites who I believe should be behaving as stewards and yet have become libertarians, globalists, and bigots against their own folk. In fact, I got myself angry sitting here just typing about it, just now.
Why blame the wolf for picking off the sheep when the shepherd’s leading them to their slaughter? But you may be right. I should probably strike a more appropriate balance.
I hesitate to be too critical of Jobling, given that he has devoted years and countless hours to what he believes to be contributing to the cause. A quick google search will confirm that he and I have sharply differed and anybody considering collaborating with him should take the time to study how his previous WN relationships have fared before diving in. I wish he would cut it out and start applying his sharp intellect and academic rigor to more practical “Color of Crime” stuff, too. But that’s his prerogative.
Wiki — well said. It’s interesting that Horus addresses some of the same things in Show #26 at http://www.whiterabbitradio.net.
I think a serious attempt to list OUR racial characteristics, with their attendant strengths and weaknesses, and how these (unchangeable?) attributes feed into “what is to be done”.
We are what we are! Whining about the relative weaknesses/strengths of whichever “other” is the current focus isn’t useful … EXCEPT when juxtaposed to self knowledge. Then it’s no longer “whining”, but a basis upon which strategy can be elaborated.
While “Horus” broadcasts are useful, for many of us the audio/verbal approach to learning about what “we” are may not be the best format. Some of us “understand” better from written word. Kevin MacDonald did a side-by-side comp of Euro vs Jewish attributes in domains of social structure, ethnocentrism, etc. You’ve all probably read that. Perhaps we need a more elaborated version that isn’t set up against Jewish attributes, but deals solely with our own strengths and weaknesses.
Anyone here seen a “SWOT” analysis diagram? SWOT = Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities and Threats. It’s a useful tool for looking into business opportunities. It could also be a tool for self-analysis, on the racial group level.
It’s not that whites don’t have enough children, it’s that intelligent whites don’t. The dysfunctional lower class has plenty of children.
Wouldn’t the dysfunctional class be the one riddled with outspoken homosexuals, barren professionals, miscegenators, race traitors, and subscribers to the New York Times?
I was under the impression the White groups that were reproducing above replacement rate were the most functional? Typically isn’t it Red Staters, Mormons and Christian homeschoolers that are above replacement rate? While in fact it is the dysfunctional upper classes that are not reproducing.
Mike Judge skewered this effectively at the beginning of Idiocracy but as someone with family in the South anybody actually know many White people like the guy at the beginning of Idiocracy? I sure don’t.
Mike Judge skewered this effectively at the beginning of Idiocracy but as someone with family in the South anybody actually know many White people like the guy at the beginning of Idiocracy? I sure don’t.
“Stupid hicks, rednecks,” and Southerners are acceptable targets of ridicule in our post-racial world. Judge took the easy way out, as he couldn’t put up degenerate blacks and Hispanics as dysgenic examples, that would obviously be too “racist.” He’s braver than most tho, showing a black president and assorted mongrels as the dystopic future. Everyone should see that movie.
Legal Immigrants and Illegal Aliens are skewing things up demographically: http://www.immigrationcounters.com/index.html
Wikitopian,
I heartily agree with this article. We need to change how we live, on average, and radically so. If we don’t like the way the White race is going, we have to be the change we want to see.
Study like the Asians.
Work like the Amish.
Fight like the Vikings.
Invent like the Aryans.
I really, truly believe it all begins with “study like the Asians.” That’s what we need NOW. It’s the very first thing, because we have catching up to do, if nothing else, to compete for the dwindling professional jobs, and to have the knowledge to do our own small businesses.
We let ourselves get dumbed down. Now a subsection of us have identified the problem. Now we can fix it. Then we can win, or at least start making some progress in a direction we like. We can at least put a stanch on the losing/bleeding.
I tend to concur with your last comment about the upper-class dysfunction. It’s also refreshing that someone from your end of the movement admits that “bleeding the beast” or “starving the monkey” could be a useful tool. The problem with not is having enough children and the delightful fantasy of “breaking the welfare state in half with a demographic tsunami of White children” ignores the fact that we don’t control our children. The state does with the power of the gun. Among that tsunami we would be lucky to purge the PC indoctrination out of four or five percent of them in the next twenty years! Your comparisons to the FDLS and the Orthodox jewish families are not the same as both have either a supportive local power structure in place or over a hundred years of tradition and geographic or cultural isolation to the mainstream. Our tradition as White Europeans and our ability to group in communities has been crushed by the government over the last fifty years. Culturally we are like nomads no place to go. To gain any ground we have to have some local power to go with the national movement. There is perhaps a consensus that operating in “cells” is a superior strategy when battling a larger force whose military encompasses your territory. Unfortunately in WN circles that concept is only talked about in achieving military objectives through violent insurrection scenarios. In fact attempting reestablishment of a loose net of local support for economic and culture re-enforcement could be practical via a cell approach. Each pro white family could interact with one or two other local families who in turn could also be involved with one or two others. No large group (as least acting together) no associations’, club organizations etc. to attract fire from the political world or government interference. Through this connection to one or two aligned families could a weave of pro white structure be re-constructed. As any homeschooler knows you can’t raise your children in isolation no matter how many books, materials etc. you have. Kids need community just like our spouses do. Only when such a capability is in place could you have the ability to keep the children in the company of like-minded parents and their kids to effectively drown out the propaganda. When it is in one’s own self-interest economically (see “White’s helping Whites”) to build these insular powerbases our people start to realign. As to your constructive comparisons: Could anyone ever accuse the jews of “in-group loyalty” without getting economic benefit? Could the Mexicans ability to sire large families be proof of superiority? In fact no! If it weren’t for the US welfare system, free education and medical treatment those large families would be illiterate living in cardboard boxes rummaging through the garbage to find food with only Mexico’s economy to support them. Whites have a tendency to limit their numbers more judiciously based on survival considerations. That is a superior trait. Trying to find weakness in whites is not useful. After a half century of anti-white venom direct at white males I think we have a pretty good idea of our shortcomings and our ego in control thank you. Black communities and governments are synonymous with corruption worldwide and with those in power stealing from the many. So even with their race voting in blocks (which I assume you find a superior trait) once their candidates do get in office their lot in life actually goes down along with everyone else. How useful is this exercise in putting down whites comparatively; our own fate was sealed by whites stopping to act with other whites in their own self-interest? Will the criticism encourage more white on white unity and interaction?
I really, truly believe it all begins with “study like the Asians.”
I would prefer, so far as we devote ourselves to study, that we don’t do so while laboring under the strange delusion that merely running around collecting up armfuls of propositions and focusing nearly exclusively on wanton extension – as Aquinas puts it – is truly beneficial for the white soul. Manhood is infinitely more than accumulation and he who dies with the most facts doesn’t win anything.
Daniel,
No, it’s not just about accumulation of facts. It is the weaponization of this accumulation.
‘Weaponization’ does not provide us with an ultimacy we can compare our progress to and learning, without direction, becomes accumulation.
Weaponization is a tactic or a means to an end. What are we attacking? Or is this weaponization merely a form of intellectual, mutually assured destruction?
This form of learning merely an education of the mind without a concomitant purifying of the heart and has the end result of placing a sharp sword in the hand of a madman.
Forgive me for being hyper-critical here. I’m just trying to tease out some implications and ideas so please don’t take personal offense.
…This form of learning is merely…
This reminds me of what happened when supreme court justice Jackson questioned Goring on the stand at Nuremberg, Goring, for all Jackson’s alleged ‘intellect’, was humiliated by Goring. Guns for gun fights, gunslingers for guns.
From a transcript of the testimony of Goring.
Note the interplay of intellect and honor or intelligence and morality.
Kievsky:”We let ourselves get dumbed down.”
Actually, very many Whites are more intelligent and educated than ever, even overeducated, it is just that we have become spoiled by the last few decades of comparatively easy living in our modern materially and technologically advanced economies and cultures.
As I’ve written about before here and elsewhere, too many Whites have become ‘domesticated’ in modern times; to use an analogy, too many Whites have become fat, lazy, and over-refined house-pets who are close to being devoured by the billions of feral non-White wolves that are currently beating down the doors of our nations.
We must become tough and brutal again as we were in the past, more Darwinian in outlook — the main reason Whites succeeded so much in terms of gaining territories and resources around the world is that we were not only smarter (not just in terms of ‘schooling’ but also general resourcefulness) but also tougher, more raw and brutal and Darwinian; and becoming tough and Darwinian again isn’t necessarily linked to education — too much education has left many Whites too weak and effete, unable to challenge ethnic and racial groups which are tougher by virtue of their being closer to Nature for longer and thus more geared toward basic survival and reproducing themselves. In time, unless current racial demographic trends are halted and reversed, not the meek but rather the ‘dumb will inherit the Earth.’
If you think about the courageous British colonists and leaders of yore, not only in The Americas but all over the world, they were not only often intelligent and educated but also brutally Darwinian in their outlook, extremely tough and geared toward conquest, colonization, and brute survival, and those White colonists had no qualms whatsoever about doing what they needed to do to conquer and subdue inferior races and nations; I prefer to combine the education and refinement of those types with their no-holds-barred raw Darwinian outlook, as the old saying goes: “an iron fist in a velvet glove.”
Another way to put is that many modern Whites have become overly rational, refined, and civilized — what modern Whites need to cultivate within themselves now is purely instinctual and not intellectual…we must seek to cultivate and revive the raw and Darwinian survival instincts of Whites after many decades or even two+ centuries of the atrophy of our vital survival instincts due to over-refinement, over-intellectualization, overly easy living, and so on.
Good post Wiki! Excellent insights.
I must say that we Kinist wish to only have sex with our White spouses vice White people in general. We have adopted the Bibical Culture of Life (COL) vs the Culture of Death (COD). Many of us have many White youngins and grand youngins. Most are just like us. And most certainly:”One can have a large family AND invest heavily in the offspring.” But we need reinforcements in this war for our existence.
If one want to help save our people, join the COL: Shoot your TV, Get married, have as many children as God will give you, do not send them to Government Schools, form real flesh and blood communities, Abjure the Realm, and take care of one another.
14 Christ,
PS
Happy Robert E. Lee and “Stonewall” Jackson Birthday Week! The ONLY birthdays to celebrate this week.
More proof that great minds think alike.
You said:
“For example, we have low birthrates. This is negative. It’s bad. Failing to reproduce is a bad thing. Our goal is to have unprotected sex with White women. Seriously. How do you fail at that? Yet, to hear many White Nationalists tell it, this is all the more proof of our superiority. The fact that Mexicans sire large families is proof of their inferiority, of their failure to adopt a “high investment” strategy. We don’t burden the welfare state with OUR progeny.
Personally, I would love to see us break the welfare state in half with a demographic tsunami of White children from across the spectrum of intelligence and ability.”
I said:
“Even putting aside the negative effect this has on my genetic interests, this is gravely important because together with certain cultural complexes these gene combinations produced generations of White People who accomplished more in important fields like Science, the Arts, and Technology than all the other races combined.
If there are any white men reading this, I implore you to father as many white babies per year as you can possibly manage.
And if you can’t afford to pay for their care and feeding, just pawn them off on the State like Blacks and Hispanics do.
If it’s okay when they do it and nobody in polite company complains, it can‘t possibly be wrong when we do it.
After all, that would be Racial Discrimination, which according to Liberals is the ultimate evil.”
http://statsaholic.blogspot.com/2009/12/hollywood-liberals-dont-just-want-to.html
How many children is optimal for whites, if you had your druthers, wiki? Replacement rate, a little more, a lot more? i would like to see whites have a slightly higher above replacement level birth rate, to make up for previous years we were below levels. but i don’t think that a rate of five, six, seven per family is good for whites, or for the planet.
I imagine most white nationalists, and race realists, are fairly certain that the impoverished third world will continue to remain impoverished and thus continue to breed high above replacement levels. if that’s the case, and if whites reverse THEIR birthrates too, then a rather large global population increase could be in store. Perhaps the Chinese and the east asian nations would continue to moderate their rate. i doubt india would. all told, we could easily be looking at a planet 8 or 9 or 10 billion people, of all races. Are you ok with that, provided that at least some of your racial segregation goals are achieved?
it seems as if even on a planet racially segregated in the most ideal way, an unsustainable population growth in the third world could have negative effect on whites, with scarcity of resources, constant incentive to ship jobs to those low wage countries, and so forth. Not to mention “camp of the saints” scenarios.
my point is that even in the event that optimal racial segregation is achieved, the actions of the various races will still effect each other.
we’re all in this together.
Great post, Wikitopian! We need more White babies! 🙂
“How many children is optimal for whites, if you had your druthers, wiki? Replacement rate, a little more, a lot more?”
While I would probably be satisfied with an overall White TFR of 2.5, I think it’s of great importance for more Ethnocentric Whites like the ones that visit this site to strive to have at least 10 children before kicking the bucket.
That way the Race will start evolving in a healthier and more Ethnocentric Direction.
“How many children is optimal for whites, if you had your druthers, wiki? Replacement rate, a little more, a lot more?”
Crypto-Aryan
The correct answer is whatever prevents us from going extinct.
i would like to see whites have a slightly higher above replacement level birth rate, to make up for previous years we were below levels. but i don’t think that a rate of five, six, seven per family is good for whites, or for the planet.
For the Christian, the commandment is to multiply abundantly and spread over the face of the Earth. ‘Scarcity’ is simply a Malthusian boogieman. You could fit pretty much the entire population of the world into Texas.
We could put the world’s entire population into the United States. Doing so would make our population density 1,531 people per square mile. That’s a far lower population density than what now exists in New York (11,440), Los Angeles (9,126) and Houston (7,512).
Next time you are in an airplane, flying from one major metropolis to another, what you should be struck by from 35,000 feet is the vast expanse of nothing that unfolds below you. There is more than enough room and resources.
How many children should whites have? Well, my friends, realize that the race is currently on a demographic path to extinction. White children are only 5% of the world-wide total, and this drops every year. Germany almost halves its White population each generation, and many other European nations are worse or arent far behind. Even in the US, we dont reproduce ourselves. Thus, the answer to the above question is to have absolutely as many children as possible. If you can achieve what the Duggar family has (19 kids), or even exceed them, then you should by all means do this. If you have to go on welfare, so be it. The children you create are a priceless gift to this nation.
If you truly want to change the world, then have a big family. Recently, a 99 year old woman in Israel died, leaving over 1400 children, grand-children, great-grand-children and even great-great-grandchildren. What contribution will you make to your race? The Duggar family has done more for the cause of White Nationalism and for the survival of the White race than any two people on this entire blog. So get out the viagra if necessary and get to work!
@Kievsky
“I really, truly believe it all begins with “study like the Asians.” That’s what we need NOW. It’s the very first thing, because we have catching up to do”. To heck with that. Just breed like a rabbit. If Whites are to inherit the earth, we need heirs, we need children. Of course, by all means do what is necessary to pursue your earning potential, but realize that its the kids you have that will really matter in the long term.
The two things to do to be able to have lots of children and form powerful tribes is become a market dominant minority, and weaponize our minds. If you guys don’t get that, there’s nothing more I can say.
Someone mentioned that even if we have lots of kids, we as parents cannot influence them. I disagree, and I speak from experience.
The liberal mind-fuck tells you that if you raise your kids to be racially aware, they’ll “rebel” and go be race-mixers. There’s probably even been TV shows and movies showing this. I suppose if you are an abusive/neglectful parent and don’t do shit for the kid except tell them to be racially loyal or else, then yes, you could have problems. But if you have a normal, high investment parenting family with a mom and dad present, and ideally, grandparents living in the house or next, and NO CABLE TELEVISION, especially NO CHILDREN’s PROGRAMMING, the kid will likely be OK.
My daughter is exposed to all sorts of harmful influences at her school, but she runs from them. She goes to a hard knock public school with sex drugs and girl-bullies, but she makes a conscious choice to avoid that crap and hold on to her childhood a bit longer. She feels safe at home, and not lonely. If she was in a single parent house, she’d probably seek out a family in her peer group. That’s how a lot of kids take a bad road — hell, that’s how I took a bad road, though fortunately I recovered. That’s why it’s so darn important for the parents to stay together.
Now that I think about it, we have largely provided a peer group for my daughter through participation in civic organizations, and family friends. Thus she does not feel compelled to join the local hangout kids.
Lastly, if you do high investment parenting/home schooling, the kid will be bored by the TV watching set, and seek out a high achieving peer group.
But yeah, home schooling works. I may pull my kid out of the public school after all, now that I have resources such as Khan Academy.
Discussing our strengths and weaknesses has great value, but do we focus too much on personal failings?
Western decline has demoralized most white people, and depressed people often succumb to their vices. If white people had more hope, their behavior would improve. Such hope usually comes from charismatic leaders, but effective leadership evades us.
We need to concern ourselves with practical matters, while we wait for leadership. We should identify key forces working against us, and debate lawful countermeasures.
Consider these few factors that work against us:
All movies are subtly or overtly antiwhite.
The news media is antiwhite.
Competing interests control our banking system.
Money buys our politician’s votes.
Our jobs are moving abroad.
Our neighborhoods are deteriorating.
Our schools are antiwhite.
Can anyone propose countermeasures to any of these forces?
“How many children should whites have? …The correct answer is whatever prevents us from going extinct.”
As I’ve noted before, whites are not “going extinct” in the normal sense of the word, the way that say the Scythians were going extinct two thousand years ago. There are more whites today than there were a hundred years ago. Whites are “goin extinct” in the sense that other peoples are gaining power relative to them, demographically and politically and economically and culturally.
I guess what I’m driving at is, what about stressing quality of whites rather than quantity? Jews — the heroes of antisemites whether they can admit it or not — have never worried about their numbers. Why not take (another) leaf from their playbook? By the way, lets assume that ALL present liberal trends continue, all the shit that the Jews are “forcing down the throats of white people” today continue unabated. That includes of course high rates of Jewish out-marriage and low Jewish birthrates (not made up by the orthodox, who have a different agenda anyway). Do you guys think under these circumstances that Jews will be in danger of going “extinct”? Do you think Jews lose a lot of sleep about “going extinct” even though their demographics are even worse than those of whites? No, of course not. They have bigger fish to fry rather than worrying about what percentage of the planet or the nation they make up.
Whites should stay above replacement rate levels, for a variety of reasons. Beyond that, they should recognize they always have and always will be outnumbered globally by non-whites and that is just fine. Quality is more important than numbers. As others here have said, high IQ whites SHOULD breed at high rates, as should Mormons and others with positive life values. Help make up for the CENTURIES of dysgenics caused by the Catholic Church’s ban on clergy producing offspring.
Kievsky I see what you meant in the other thread about just ignoring it (for example, post #29). Good advice which I’ll put into practice. Thanks, comrade.
Fred, do your race a favor and get a vasectomy.
“The two things to do to be able to have lots of children and form powerful tribes is become a market dominant minority, and weaponize our minds. If you guys don’t get that, there’s nothing more I can say.”
Kievsky, the things that you discuss are invaluable, and I hope that you don’t get discouraged by some of the naysayers. Some people are just contrarians by nature, some are trolls, and some genuinely have not yet connected the dots. Your tireless promotion of these ideas is helping, believe it or not. The good thing, but sort of bad from the standpoint of your getting validation, is that most of the people who take your advice just, well, do it. No ticker tape parades, but it’s being done nonetheless. Not a lot of positive feedback for you, but you are still accomplishing your purpose.
To me, one of the most interesting things is how to get at least some level of white organization going, and more importantly to make it sustainable. I’d love it if a membership based organization arose and thrived, but I have my doubts. And even if it did, we’ve seen how such vehicles can crash when the founder dies/loses interest/is jailed. Or sometimes simply as the result of internal squabbles. Instead, sustainability must be our watchword. That, and connectedness.
This is not to say that explicit political organizing has no value. As the BNP has demonstrated, it can. Maybe the American Third Position can follow in their footsteps. I hope so. But we need something more sustainable and resilient.
Even if the ATP took off, we would need more. We need a cultural shift most of all. Your ideas address that point, and do not require getting abused by the system. The don’t require a PhD either. You can get started quietly in your backyard, on your computer, or with a small group of friends. If enough people do that, it becomes important stuff. And there is absolutely nothing the system can do to stop it.
What bothers me the most is that, even if the system crashed today, WN would not be in a meaningful position to capitalize on it. Our ideas are spreading, and I believe that events will accelerate this process. Unfortunately, our level of organization and connectedness is pathetic. “Fledgling” would be putting it kindly.
We need things that can bring people together in real life, and not just the fanatics. You are a zealot. I’m a zealot. There is nothing that I care about more than the survival of whites as a people. Most people aren’t like that, and are never going to be like that. That’s not to say that they don’t care at all, and further that they don’t like what is happening to our people (and for those that don’t care at all, I don’t care about them, so the feeling is mutual). But they don’t obsess about it.
We need entities that can bring in the full range of whites that have at least some degree of racial consciousness, not just the zealots. Things that offer real value and community. Religion does this. Homeschooling seems to do this, albeit in a somewhat different manner. These sorts of things are conducive to real world networking, mutual support, and personal satisfaction.
You don’t have to be a zealot to enjoy these activities and benefit from them. For example, imagine a play group for the children of young mothers who homeschool their children, with a curriculum emphasizing white heritage. European Heritage. Call it the Founders Club (or something more snazzy, whatever, but it should be an antidote to anti-white brainwashing and degeneracy). For the young white mothers, this would provide a valuable social outlet with other whites, and quality friends for her child. Meanwhile, white heritage is being taught and normalized for the next generation. Educational benefits, social benefits. Real friendships are made, memories created, bonds forged. The husbands also get to know one another. It’s inevitable.
You don’t need to open yourself to system abuse, which is critical for the non-zealot. Today, I would not advise the typical well meaning white female to join the “movement,” unless she exhibited true fanaticism and talent. Otherwise, why subject a well meaning person to abuse when they will be accomplishing nothing? But a white heritage social group or homeschooling group? Absolutely! I’d love to be able to send people that way. We need a way for non-zealots to safely and positively wean themselves out of the mainstream death culture. White moms should not be put in the line of fire, but neither should they be left to the mainstream death culture. European Heritage/Founders Clubs may offer a solution to this quandry.
Once we have true micro communities that are spread far and wide, at least sympathetic to White Nationalism, then we’ll really have something to work with. At that point, the possibilities become limitless.
One last thing: I think a number of people don’t buy into these sorts of small scale projects because they can’t see a positive endgame: “Oh, we get to be a tiny minority, but at least we will have a Quickee Mart!”
Not exactly inspiring. Most people’s biggest goal in life is not to become Apu.
Well, that doesn’t have to be the endgame at all. Once we have a real sense of community, the sky is the limit. I would feel infinitely better about our chances of exploiting the difficult times ahead if we had thousands of small associations and communities based around small business, home economics, farming, homeschooling, etc. Right now, on the other hand, all it would take is for the internet to go *blink* and the White Nationalist movement would be decapitated.
Instead, we need resilient communities, however small. Small Founders Clubs all over the place. They should be informally networked with other groups, so that there is an “us.” But they should be impossible to decapitate, no real hierarchy. Young white mom doesn’t like somebody in one European Heritage/Founders Club play group? Fine. There are others. No particular cell (obviously, they wouldn’t be called cells) needs to be more than a handful of people. The fathers get to know one another and trust each other. Personality conflicts? Move to another cell, or start one yourself. Sustainability, connectivity, fluidity.
It will be damn near impossible to infiltrate such a group(s), and they will be too numerous and small for it to even be economical. And what, is some federal agent going to subject his own child to a white heritage homeschool curriculum in order to infiltrate a group of young white moms and their husbands? Listen while the moms exchange cooking recipes and talk about their last vacation? LOL! If they are dumb enough to waste their resources that way, let ’em. They will soon figure out it’s not worth it, and they will be right. These European Heritage/Founders Clubs could facilitate adult education as well, and all sorts of things. Useful things, things that add real value. Once a month at the gun range, or a guest lecturer on small business. There is no shortage of material.
Again, at that point the possibilities become limitless.
Perhaps this is a kiss of death, but I completely agree with Trainspotter’s comment here. White community building and organizing starts small, and it needs to meet people WHERE THEY ARE TODAY, whatever THEIR concerns are. The fact is, there is a lot of implicit white community organizing going on in America, churches and civic groups and PTAs and so forth. The big problem is that the economy is kicking peoples asses and forcing too many kids to leave for deracinated metropolitan areas after they graduate from college.
Another excellent and incisive post (# 32), Trainspotter. Your statement about “What bothers me most…” is shockingly true. We WN’s are woefully disorganized and unprepared for an opportunity, if it dropped into our laps tomorrow. We all need to be more involved in the movement, utilizing any skill, effort or money that we can spare, to promote ANY organization out there, as long as it EPLICITLY promotes White racial interests. The key here is to establish real life RACIAL networking of some kind. Meetings, clubs, conventions, publications, books etc. are all a part of it, but organization of cadre will be crucial when opportunity knocks.
Crypto-Aryan: You have heard of miscegenation, right?
Miscegenation? You mean like what happens when a Jew marries and reproduces with an Asian or a black or a Swede, and then the kids not Jewish anymore?
Yes, Crypto-Aryan; Whites have plummeting birthrates, while almost everybody else is having skyrocketing birthrates. And the latter peoples are mass immigrating to virtually every White country. I read that Whites might be a minority in every country by 2090, and that assumes non-White governments don’t officially invade us. With the current trends, our percentage of respective (national) populations will be in the single digits in 1 or 2 centuries.
With our birthrate dropping like rain, and their birthrates rising rapidly; and with them moving into our countries and inter-mixing with a large portion of our remaining population every generation-I think it becomes obvious what our future likely holds.
You mean like what happens when a Jew marries and reproduces with an Asian or a black or a Swede, and then the kids not Jewish anymore?
No. They aren’t Asian, Swedish or black anymore.
Man is a microcosm – which means that everything in the universe can be found in the human soul. When we fail to learn from everyone- even our enemies- we are actually regressing from full potential.
It may sound trite BUT …………”Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer!”.
Thank you!
danielj — so by your same logic, when a white marries an Asian or a black, the kids aren’t black or asian anymore?
Next time you are in an airplane, flying from one major metropolis to another, what you should be struck by from 35,000 feet is the vast expanse of nothing that unfolds below you.
By “nothing” you mean nature and wildlife? You want more urban sprawl and strip malls? You want cookie-cutter houses and apartments occupying every square mile they can? Makes me ill.
I like living on a large lot where you aren’t forced to see people. Where your cats and dogs can run free, you can have horses, and you get visits from wildlife like deer and foxes. I much prefer that than having a neighbor 30 feet from you.
danielj — so by your same logic, when a white marries an Asian or a black, the kids aren’t black or asian anymore?
Blacks usually have no sense of racial purity, in fact they often advocate White admixture for “good hair” and lighter skin. They may protest for political reasons and personal grudges, but the ones who are already mixed they accept. Obama is a good example.
Asians on the other hand do protest admixture. More often than not hapas pass for White and marry White (e.g. Dean Cain, Keanu Reeves, Teri Hatcher, Sarah Palin’s husband) not Asian in my experience, further contaminating the White gene pool.
There are different rules and standards in different contexts. For example, Rihanna was teased while growing up in Barbados for being White. In America, she’s Black. We White Americans have a tradition of categorizing those whose admixture is perceptible to be non-White and we also traditionally consider Jews to be members of our tribe who happen to practice a different religion. We should take all the aspects of tribal identity into account when making a determination, not just physical appearance or fractional ancestry.
For example, Rihanna was teased while growing up in Barbados for being White.
Sure, because she looks different, but that doesn’t mean they wouldn’t sleep with her.
I’ve witnessed blacks teasing other blacks who are extremely dark-skinned.
We White Americans have a tradition of categorizing those whose admixture is perceptible to be non-White
In the past, by law even non-perceptible non-White admixture made someone black or not White and they were forced to segregate themselves. Now that’s the real deal.
We should take all the aspects of tribal identity into account when making a determination, not just physical appearance or fractional ancestry.
You mean how someone self-identifies? That has never been the American way, the Germanic/Celtic way, that is what Latin America did and does, and look what happened to them.
@Mark
I’m a tribalist, with race being a foundational dimension of dictating who is and who is not a member of my tribe/nation/ethnic group/team. It’s not, however, the only factor. Those who are loyal to any other group than my White American group are outgroup to me, even if they’re my biological sibling or they claim to be both White American and something else.
If my brother converted to Judaism, he would no longer be on my team, tribally speaking. On the same token, those with fractional Jewish, Amerindian, or Asian ancestry who pass for White are acceptable to me if they clearly identify as White American. The important thing is whether they’re genetically and effectively working for or against the long-term interests of myself, my family, and my community.
Mark@43,
Why would you consider the white gene pool being contaminated when Whites mix with Asians? Northern Asians lead in all categories over Whites that Whites lead over Blacks- the one exception being that the I.Q. bell curve has slightly more Whites in the genius I.Q. range, while on average the Asian masses have higher I.Q.s and less lower I.Q.ed retards. Perhaps it’s the Asians who feel contaminated by us? After all, you mention that half white/asians pass for white, which would indicate that White genes are dominant. It seems that the more neotenous and advanced a race is, the more recessive it is. In all honesty, I might make myself an outcast here by stating this, but except for sexual attractiveness, I think north-east Asians clearly have the evolutionary package that will enable them to project themselves far into the future. In addition, we can readily observe that it’s white females who are more ready to debauch themselves and downgrade their stock by mating with negroes and other lower I.Q.ed types, whereas the intelligent Asian women rarely lower themselves to these sorts of couplings. I agree with the spirit of the original article. Too often, “race realists” are keen to harp on non-white defects, but aren’t too objective about white defects in comparison to people like the north-east Asian mongoloids.
@Guest Lurker
I hope I’ve established my credibility as a reasonably objective participant here to make a persuasive argument against your two claims:
1. That East Asian admixture is advantageous
For one, I’m not a racist in order to defend White intelligence and attractiveness. I’m racist in defense of my people and those characteristics we share that can’t be entirely defended in exclusively objective terms. I feel a bond, a sense of connectedness, to those who share my heritage, habits, and appearances. There’s a warmth I feel when I see nieces and nephews who take after my side of the family. Even if they’re better than us, they’re not us.
2. That East Asians surpass Whites in intelligence and neoteny
Charles Murray, author of the Bell Curve and proud father of half-Asian children, did a very comprehensive job of trying to objectively measure the relative accomplishments of the different civilizations throughout history in Human Accomplishment. As he admits in the foreword, he was stunned by how little East Asians had actually accomplished in terms of innovation, advancement, and creative achievement.
There’s an argument to be made that IQ tests have been so thoroughly reduced to pattern recognition questions in order to avoid the accusation of cultural bias that they have become biased in favor of Asians, who have superior visual-spatial intelligence. This goes off into some controversial territory, but I believe that intelligence is best defined as the ability to solve problems, with the modern IQ test question being an atypical problem.
In my opinion, Whites excel in terms of envisioning entirely new systems. While Asians can learn, they seem a bit less capable, on average, of “breaking paradigm”, of “thinking outside the box”. While East Asians are even better than White people at learning and exploiting White innovations, there’s really no reason to believe that they’re capable of making anything more than merely incremental progress on their own.
It’s not just about genius, it’s about a certain kind of genius, the polymath. Asia has plenty of geniuses and prodigies. But there aren’t any notebooks like Da Vinci’s, literally bursting with an overflow of creativity and innovation. There isn’t an Alexander Graham Bell, or a Henry Ford, or a William Shockley. There’s a Taiichi Ohno, who was the driving force behind Toyota’s miraculous success, but he readily admits that the ideas he implemented were entirely lifted from Ford, Deming, and other American luminaries who’ve been forgotten in their home country.
As for neoteny, Rushton fails to appropriately consider how evolution optimizes relative to an array of competing factors. There was a strong selective pressure for women to appear more youthful and fertile. White women have blonde hair, and blue eyes that are larger and more expressive. As such, an equal (or perhaps greater) effect of attractiveness was achieved by White females without having to turn the testosterone “master switch” down so low.
As I’ve argued elsewhere, the fact that cartoon females which are drawn by capitalists with the intent of profiting typically appear more like Caucasian than Asian females is evidence of White women perhaps having an advantage in attractiveness, objectively speaking. The drawings are typically more petite, have less prominent noses, and have weaker chins than is the White female norm, trending in an East Asian direction, which I believe confirms my suspicion that both races arrived at a relatively similar level of hotness with different gene pools.
Those are some of my thoughts on the matter.
“Existing races are a mixture, as far as stock is concerned. There is nothing to be done about this. Such a mixture is not “impurity,” in any true, factual meaning of that word. “Purity” in racial matters means inclusiveness of the entire population within the same historical feeling and cosmic beat. “Purity” is is directed to feeling, and not to anatomical derivation.” — Francis Parker Yockey, Imperium, pp. 304-5.
A summary of Crypto’s racial views: he dislikes the idea of ethnostates, thinks “citizenism” may be preferable to racialism, thinks quadroons may be considered white, and thinks miscegenation rates of up to ten percent are no big deal.
When two groups occupy the same land, mixture and amalgamation will inevitably result. The lesson from history is that measures like caste systems, segregation, and apartheid can only serve as temporary stopgaps. Reproductive isolation is the only way to secure racial preservation, and an exclusive territory is necessary for this. Separation is vital. This is why the ethnostate is so important.
Whites are not “pure,” but so what? That whites are not “pure” is not a justification for the amalgamation of whites with other races. That is the sort of argument an anti-white “anti-racist” would make.
Wikitopian, I really don’t see anything you wrote in point 1 which disagrees with my post. I agree that at the end of the day, these arguments about who possesses what traits are irrelevant, which is why I think white nationalists waste their time even making them. An organic healthy body struggles to survive, whatever its merits. Survival is its own merit and is non-negotiable.
I disagree with some of your second point. I don’t believe “creativity” is any sort of magical trait which transcends or is apart from intelligence. I think intelligent people tend towards creativity because they’re able to see things in a different way and apply them uniquely. I get the impression WN use “creativity” as a trump card against the Asians since they have advantages in other key areas. As far as technical innovation, books have been written on Chinese technical innovations over the millenia, such as Temple’s “The Genius of China”, which suggest the opposite of what Murray claims in his foreward. As for his broad statement about them attaining little in the way of creative achievement, did Murray support his generalization with facts? Did he delve into Chinese arts, poetry, painting, etc.? These arguments can get convoluted and are by their very nature highly subjective. John Baker in his book “Race” also came up with an index which catalogued racial achievements. As I recall, China alone met all the criteria of a fully self-contained civilization in terms of having developed a writing system, pottery, metallurgy, etc. on its own without external borrowing.
As to recent inventors, this seems to always become the ultimate argument for WN, as if keeping score of the number of inventions is the barometer for “superiority”. I’d agree with traditionalist Julius Evola that while the west has concentrated its energies in the external temporal realm, the east has always given greater priority to the interior spiritual. For all of our “faustian” thrashing about, where has it gotten us? “Whites excel in terms of envisioning entirely new systems” brought colonialism and “new systems” to foreign lands in a bid to spread “civilization” to the benighted natives. Now they’ve followed us home and are on the verge of breeding us into extinction. So much for our vaunted “dynamism” I frequently hear WN pontificating about. What a mess! Meanwhile, the Chinese built a wall to keep foreigners out and deliberately limited its interaction with “barbarians” and brought its huge naval fleet home in the 15th century because its rulers had the foresight to see what this would lead to. Consequently, it looks like the Asians will be around long after we’ve become a footnote to history.