Paleos — Pat Buchanan is an expert at appealing to our concerns without ever going so far as to formally align himself with us. He clearly knows exactly what he is doing. In any case, I found my way to racial nationalism through his book Death of the West, which first alerted me to the peril of changing racial demographics, so I am really not in any position to complain. Alex Linder claims we don’t need gateways. What do you think?
Jews – Sasha Baron Cohen (Jew) is back in the movie theaters with Brüno. This time around he is posing as a flamboyantly gay Austrian fashion journalist. Ron Paul was amongst his targets. The rub of his satire is to expose the latent homophobia of American Christians and turn it into an object of ridicule. In Borat, he used the same act with anti-Semitism. While at Cambridge, Cohen produced a thesis on Jewish involvement in the Civil Rights Movement. Yet another Jew trying to subvert our cultural mores. It’s just another day in America.
Catholics — John Zmirak can’t write a column without deploring racialism as the “grossest of errors.” He should be more worried about Pope Benedict XVI’s call for world government in his latest encyclical. This “world political authority” would undoubtedly force Western countries to take in unlimited numbers of “refugees” from third world countries. This ought to give our resident Christian restorationists time to pause.
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Prozium,
Of course we need gateways, you can’t expect people to make the transition from mainstream thinking (in my case conservatism) to the kind of commentary that you post on Occidental Dissent in just one step, especially in the case of those who were born after the “civil rights” movement. Much of our message is deeply upsetting to average people because we identify as false gods the very conceptual idols that mainstream discourse works so hard to cultivate. And sometimes the subversive nature of our beliefs means that we can’t entertain them without also incurring upon ourselves tangible social costs (e.g. Kevin Lamb).
I don’t expect people to grasp the Jewish Question without first understanding the importance of racial survival. A few years ago, I spent a lot of time arguing this point.
Prozium,
My mistake, I didn’t mean to imply that you “expect” people to make any kind of philosophical jump. My last comment was poorly worded in that regard.
Still, I think that an average person has to go through several stages before he can start caring about matters of racial survival. For many people, there are several layers of cultural conditioning that need to be overcome.
1.) Linder is wrong. If the public was forced go choose between CNN and VNN, they’d go with CNN.
2.) Cohen is a perfect example of how our society tolerates sociopaths with the right pedigree, After 40 or 50 years of cultural Marxism and forced secularization, we no longer have the will to stand up for decency.
3.) The true faith is in the Gospel, not an institution. The RCC has been tilting Leftward for decades. Except on morals and some metaphysics, it is all but useless.
Lies and obstruction do not appeal to the concerns of whites, it merely confuses them. So grave is the crisis in Pat Buchanan’s head that he failed to mention the greatest struggle for Ethno Nationalism in the 20th century which was the German Nazi revolution, for which America thwarted in favor of internationalism, perversion, and jewish power. He fails to see that WWII has not ended, and it was US sowed these seeds, and it is the US that continues to prevent anyone anywhere from attempting an ethno state save Israel. Why has WWII not ended? Because Conservakwans like him refuse to tell the fucking truth. Once your whole premise is based on a lie, well, it goes nowhere, and this is the essential problem with conservatism and why it is a danger, not a gateway. There is no call to action only useless contemplation, and it is a contemplation based on lies.
“Because Conservakwans like him refuse to tell the fucking truth. Once your whole premise is based on a lie, well, it goes nowhere, and this is the essential problem with conservatism and why it is a danger, not a gateway. There is no call to action only useless contemplation, and it is a contemplation based on lies.”
Hmmm… Wow!
This gateway idea is crap. Once you decide you admire Pat Buchanan, the man, his writing and ideals, when you realize whites are being exploited and displaced, then what? Then you have he whole “establishment” of conservatism against you, so what is the point? It is better to come from the liberal side of free thinking, not conformity and patriotism. It is better to appeal to rebels, when they are young.
There’s an intersection between “Paleos” and “Catholics” in your post, Prozium. Buchanan.
As for gateways, I think it is clear that we need them. As I mentioned in another post, this is how the Left operated – and won. All Leftist organizations were not pure and hardcore. There was an entire continuum of organizations and movements, with the ones further to the left always pushing the range further and further in their own direction. They’ve pushed the dialogue so far to the left that today so called conservatives believe things that would have only been advocated by campus radicals just a few decades ago. Yet the pitiful clowns still think they are “conservatives,” so drastically has the Left altered the national discourse.
The reality is that, as white nationalism gains traction, there WILL be more “moderate” WN entities. It’s inevitable. As the population of white nationalist sympathizers increases, a smaller percentage of the whole will be radicals. This is typical of growing movements, once they grow past the hardcore. Part of this is due to human nature (most people just don’t have the temperament to be radical), but part of it is simply a question of time. Most of the people who even have the potential to become radicals will not do it overnight. It takes time. It is therefore likely that most will find their way to “Lite” first, and then a subset will move on to the real thing. So while the proportion of radicals will decline, their absolute numbers can rise. And we don’t need all that many radicals to begin with – but we do need more than we have now.
The most important thing, for the time being anyway, is the direction in which people are flowing. If they are flowing closer and closer to the ethnostate position, great. I’d much rather someone be reading AmRen than watching Fox news. He’s moving closer to our position. I’d like it better still if he were listening to Goyfire or Radio Istina, but that’s just not going to happen for most people.
And as an aside, Pat Buchanan also had something of an influence on me, but it is my understanding that he intentionally undermined David Duke. That should tell us something. There certainly need to be standards for the Lite entities, and when one breaches those standards, he should be treated as an opponent, not as a fellow traveller. Should Buchanan be treated as an enemy or as a gateway? Opponent or fellow traveller? I think these are reasonable questions.
As to Linder, there is no doubt that he is a very talented guy. But, at the end of the day, it’s the more moderate entities that are actually producing fresh and reliable content. Aside from his TV appearances, Buchanan regularly churns out books and columns. Vdare and AmRen offer reliable and fresh content. You can set your clock by it. Auster seems to work his site damn near all the time. Or to take a non-white nationalist example, Kunstler reliably posts a new column every Monday. He then has a brief podcast that is available on most Thursdays. Every week he is therefore creating fresh, reliable content. He seems to never miss a column, and rarely misses a podcast. Not to mention his books.
Giving the more “radical” (maybe not the right word) types their due, I point to our own Prozium, a very talented writer and insightful thinker that, as long as he produces, is going to have an audience. Probably a growing audience, but certainly a high quality one.
Point is, you’ve got to produce if you expect to build a serious and growing audience. The reality seems to be that the moderate WN types produce more, and produce it more reliably, than the hardcore (with a few exceptions). Look at the influence that Steve Sailer has had, mostly as a result of a column that regularly appears on Mondays. He’s got a real audience.
Best case scenario: hardcore entitities start producing more, and can steadily siphon off supporters from White Nationalist Lite, and can continually move the bounds of acceptable debate in the hardcore direction – thus making “Lite” ever closer to the pure position. That’s just the way it works if you are going to win. To expect otherwise is to expect that which never was and never will be. In sum, the growth of White Nationalist Lite is not necessarily a bad thing, and in fact can turn out to be a tremendously good thing, IF the hardcore types handle it right. The Left did. Can we?
Being dominated by lies that are killing us is not a good thing. And the fact that we have come to the point where whites will actually self censor to gain readership or encourage others to do so is a sign of the white mans cowardice.
Mainstream Conservatism along with its’ paramour liberalism are both abstract enemies of truth that serve to keep us in chains. These ideas are enemies of justice and a threat to our very existence on planet earth.
Who’s “us” Lena? What “lies” do moderates tell (or must tell, in order to remain ‘moderate’) that are killing you?
If, as I predict, you refuse to answer that question, and instead spew some standard extremo-garbage in response, you’ve outed yourself as enemy of the very civility you claim to uphold, and exposed yourself as an enemy of what all civilized people (of every kind) today hold dear.
If you do attempt to answer it, you should soon understand why extreme WN (the supposed ‘real’ thing) can never fly.
“US” is a euphemism for “ White Racialist.” And I never claimed to be civil? Huh?
How can anyone even hope to be civil in today’s world? Geez.
“And I never claimed to be civil? Huh?”
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“How can anyone even hope to be civil in today’s world? Geez.”
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Consider the source, Lena.
” Cohen’s favorite BRUNO scene is said (to) involve the comic strutting around ultra-orthodox streets of Jerusalem in short-shorts and Hasidic black hat.”
http://www.whitecivilrights.com/?p=2192
YIKES! He is so deranged he is even turning on his own kind! Homosexuality must be a mental illness!!!
Having ‘gateways’ (through ‘conservatives’) in the past may have been a good idea.
However with the pace of Race Replacement and the fact the Country seems to be falling down around us (12% unemployment in my area, lots of under-employment, and a feeling of an impending ‘Weimar Republic’ nearby) it is better to go with what has been described as ‘vanguardism’ in that ‘Blood and Politics’ book now!!!!
PS parts of that book are available on google books now too!
I am just waiting for Silver to come back and tell me where all these civilized people of civilization reside, those with special “civil” values that they uphold, perhaps I can move there!
I guess anything that does not parrot the American Propaganda machine is “extremo garbage”? I have no clue as to what extremist White Nationalism even is. What is it? Anything written that does not come out of a squawking box? Unfortunately, I can’t spout it or elaborate because I have no clue what it is, and I am certain it does not even exist. And if it does exist, then where?
Trainspotter is right about regularly producing reliable columns and podcasts. That was William Pierce’s great strength. American Dissident Voices hammered away at the controlled media every week for several years, and if you listened regularly you were given an education in white nationalism. Linder’s podcasts were good as stand alone works, but they were sporadic and disorganized. Often it sounded like he didn’t even have notes, he’d drop the primary topic and go on for 45 minutes about some slightly related topic. Then he’d run out of time and promise to get back to the original subject in the next show, which he only occasionally managed.
Then there’s the technical problems. Tom Metzger just recently started making a backup audio tape of his show after losing part of his podcast because of a computer problem. VNN broadcasts don’t even take that inexpensive step. The latest “This Week in Disorganized Jewry” podcast lost the first half hour because the person who was supposed to capture the stream forgot.
Then there are the frequent on air discussions of technical problems, and the garbled audio as the computers they use to call in stutter along trying to keep up with 2009 audio encoding with their 2002 CPUs.
But I’d be willing to put up with all of that if they’d just put on a weekly show at the scheduled time.
Linder is strong on philosophy but weak on follow through.
Alex Linder claims we don’t need gateways.
P2P network television. Soon everyone’s going to have a world of would-be Jackasses piped into their living rooms. Probably be biggest in advanced open societies with highest population densities first (they seem to add bandwidth much faster than American companies).
What happens when whites can go to the television and tune in ENN or a White Jackass?
I don’t expect people to grasp the Jewish Question without first understanding the importance of racial survival. A few years ago, I spent a lot of time arguing this point.
On the other hand, a great way to get people to care about their race is to show how hard some people are working to destroy it.
It’ screams “hoodwinked!” “Bamboozled!”
Pat Buchanan also had something of an influence on me, but it is my understanding that he intentionally undermined David Duke.
The stuff Linder mentioned (didn’t read far), about Buchanan saying to beat Duke by co-opting his angles? Is it this, or is there more?
‘Cause if not, wow, yeah, real white-hater that one.
“The stuff Linder mentioned (didn’t read far), about Buchanan saying to beat Duke by co-opting his angles? Is it this, or is there more?”
Bragging about “burying David Duke in the bayou,” that sort of thing. But I haven’t researched it, so I can’t really give a whole lot of detail. I seem to remember Duke himself talking about this, but again I’m going by memory and snippets that I’ve heard here and there. That’s why I made it clear in my post that such was my “understanding,” as opposed to stating it as an established fact.
I don’t consider Buchanan a “white-hater.” I haven’t fully made my mind up about the guy one way or another. But the point is that at one point, back in the 90′s, David Duke was a viable politician and damn near won major elective office. If a “Lite” group or individual undermined him at that critical time, on the verge of a major breakthrough, that would be a big deal as far as I’m concerned. The chips were down.
Again, it is my understanding that Buchanan did that, but I don’t know for sure. On the other hand, apparently Metzger did as well. Again, such is my *understanding*.
The point I’m making is that White Nationalist Lite isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but that there are still some lines that cannot be crossed. WN Lite is going to simply be a fact, a reality on the ground. Better get used to it. I’m saying that we need to learn how to deal with it, so that we get some synergy going instead of tearing ourselves apart. I mentioned Buchanan, and made it clear that it was my “understanding” that he undermined Duke, not established fact, in order to illustrate some of the problems and frictions that can (and I believe will) arise.
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Cohen probably inherited a natural genetic predisposition toward certain kinds of anti-social aggression. He displays a compulsive need to make himself look better by ridiculing others. However, Cohen’s individual psychological malady is not what caused his career. The career is a symptom of a large social network of persons who collaborate to produce propaganda.
I have always thought of Buchanan as a loyal Republican operative. *IF* he did undermine Duke, it was to stop any sort of third party from forming around Dukes White Nationalist Message and keep the Republicans intact as a possible purveyor of Faileo-conservatism.
I am pretty sure that Buchanan was on a secret Republican mission to destroy the Reform Party though. Why else would he select a black VP nominee, guaranteeing that the ticket, and Reform Party, would fail??? Buchanan wanted to Reform Party to go down, so it would not compete with Republicans, but then the neo-cons reared their Ferengi heads and took over Control with W. so the type of Paleo-conservative party that Buchanan envisioned was doomed by later events…
Train, I was wondering more about Linder’s position, rather than your reason for quoting him.
“Train, I was wondering more about Linder’s position, rather than your reason for quoting him.”
Linder has made it explicitly clear that he sees Buchanan not as a gateway, but as a distractor or blocker. A career girl who throws enough bones to the WN that he keeps the money coming in for himself, but that he is fundamentally not one of us. In Linder’s view Buchanan should be treated as an enemy not as a fellow traveller.
He’s had quite a few posts on this recently. I’m pretty sure he mentioned Buchanan vis a vis Duke, but I’m not 100 percent on that, and I don’t remember the details. The main point, however, is crystal clear.