Capitalism and White Racial Decline
Jul 10th, 2009 by Hunter Wallace
At The Occidental Quarterly, Michael O’Meara is saying a lot that I happen to agree with about America’s racial decline. It wasn’t a function of a small cabal of Jewish cultural Marxists associated with the Frankfurt School. The triumph of political correctness in the 1980s happened long after the Civil Rights Movement had realized its primary goals. The worship of “diversity” as a fundamental American value was unheard of before Judge Powell’s opinion in the Bakke case. Multiculturalism first emerged on the scene in the 1970s. Chalking up our racial demise to “diversity snobbery” is putting the cart before the horse.
Capitalism has always been one of the primary drivers of race replacement. In the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, the internal logic of international markets (the profit motive) resulted in the dumping of hordes of negroes on America’s shores. The settlement of the West Indies was even more driven by these concerns. In the mid-nineteenth century, demand for cheap labor in the sparsely populated American West brought the first waves of Chinese immigrants to the United States. This experience was repeated with the Japanese in Hawaii (working on sugar plantations), Mexicans in the Southwest (who first came to work on the railroads), and the Great Migration of blacks to Northern cities (who came to work in wartime industries). The Immigration Act of 1924 specifically exempted Mexicans in order to appease Southwestern business interests.
The Germans, the Irish, the Italians, the Scandinavians, the Slavs, and the Jews all came in waves and settled throughout the American North. Most left their homelands for economic reasons. Many were attracted by the wages being offered by Northern industries at the time. Then as now, big business lobbied Congress for loose immigration laws. The indigenous Yankees soon dwindled to a minority throughout most of the Northeast. It was the push and pull of America’s capitalist economy that drove these demographic changes, not a vast Jewish conspiracy.
The fate of New England is now happening on a nationwide scale. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, Business Roundtable, and the Wall Street Journal are naturally the biggest boosters of open borders. The same fundamental forces are at work that have always been operative throughout American history. The only difference is that they are now met with less resistance than before.
Capitalism has eroded white racial consciousness in other insidious ways. During the Cold War, Americanism came to be identified with anti-communism. In order to score points for capitalism in the Third World, rightwing anti-communists like Dean Acheson adopted anti-racist rhetoric and began pushing for desegregation in the Jim Crow South. The most obvious example of this would be the Eisenhower administration’s response to the crisis in Little Rock with the Civil Rights Act of 1957. America’s elite ultimately cared more about the wealth and privilege they enjoyed under capitalism than the racial values inherited from their ancestors. And so, Truman and his postwar successors would go on to give their seal of legitimacy to Martin Luther King and his fellow radicals.
As the capitalist system evolved in the twentieth century, it became necessary to dispense with traditional values like thrift and prudence in order to sustain economic growth. The advertising industry began to take shape after the First World War. Americans were molded by its propaganda into thinking of themselves as consumers. An ethos of expressive individualism was encouraged that ultimately became severely corrosive of white ethnocentrism. It triumphed in the counterculture and eventually went on to dominate the cultural mainstream.
Suburbanization has allowed millions of Whites to avoid the costs of integration. Suburban living enables better off Whites to sing the praises of diversity while pushing it off on their poorer neighbors. White flight has acted for years as a release valve of racial tension. Why make a fuss about the status quo when you can simply pack up your bags and move off to another city or state?
As I said in a recent thread, the liberal democratic capitalist system is the meta cause of white racial decline. It chewed up Norman Rockwell’s America and spit out Barack Obama’s.
In European Christian Civilization, jews were considered cheats. This was because they had no regard for Christian commercial dealings or the law. For years this struggle continued between the two world views, and so it goes on.
The Christian spirit that dominated economic activities historically is exactly the opposite of the grotesque ‘liberalized’ Judeo/Christian sprit that dominates economic and political activity today. And the former is closer to racial/cultural nationalism. THIS is what totally broke down in the eighteenth century It was the victory of money over blood, and it is that world the jew stormed. Christian Europeans for many years worked in a closed “protectionist ” sort of economic systems, and there is plenty of historical evidence to support this.
The Judeo/Christian American economic system that we see today, dominated by jewish influence that has Chinese and Indian workers who earn a dollar a day or less set up as competition to American white collar and blue collar workers, in the Christian world would have been considered totally abhorrent, and frankly this sort of anti-nationalism is abhorrent. For a government authority to support this type of commercial dealing in traditional Europe and for the longest period of time in Germany, this type of thing was actually outlawed - not the law. In most cases prices were fixed. Freedom of industry, enterprise to achieve personal private capital as an ends and reason for living was just not in the organic soul of Christian Europe as it is for the modern preachers and protectors of exploitation and slavery that are anti-nationalists.
Two sprits are at war. It really is nothing new. And, in fact it is white racialism that is closer to the Christian world view then that of the warped anti-protectionist Judeo/Christian. Jews and anti-nationalistic, anti-racist, anti-protectionist, are out of harmony with nature. They are totally out of touch with actual problems and the causes and have no grasp of reality whatsoever.
Prozium, let’s say you were to build 2 very crude models. One to explain how we got into the current mess (specifically, post-1965 demographic decline- though there are certainly other ways to assess the mess). The second to explain what prevents us from getting out of it. What variables would you include, and how would you weight those?
One thing that O’Meara doesn’t discuss is the decline of Darwinism. I think this is much more important the Frankfurt School, whose importance, however, I think O’Meara underestimates. Marcuse was the best known, but probably not the most influential (at least in terms of what got post-1965 race-replacement going). The important ones got to work pathologizing White ethnocentrism right after the war.
Prozium,
Phenomenal commentary. The perspective on our situation that you and O’Meara share strikes me as being more accurate than anything else that I’ve read.
Dasein,
How can you possibly think that Darwinism is in decline? The proportion of Westerners who believe in some form of Darwinian evolution is at an all time high.
Lena,
Was it a Judeo-Christian-American economic system that brought Negros to North America in the 1600s? Somehow I doubt it.
My position exactly.
This post may warrant a cross-blogging response.
“How can you possibly think that Darwinism is in decline? The proportion of Westerners who believe in some form of Darwinian evolution is at an all time high.”
Maybe a decline in thinking that evolution applies to humans recently. That is whether there are significant differences in racial means of intelligence, creativity, diligence, etc. Many liberals think there are only differences between individuals’ intelligence and not between groups. Statistics don’t support this view, nor would evolution. Hence, the faith in Darwin ends when it collides with other beliefs.
Capitalism per se has nothing to do with immigration, loss of racial consciousness, or lack of thrift. Confine yourself to discussion of the problems: immigration, loss of racial consciousness, and lack of thrift. Any white man who preaches against “capitalism” — not a good term for it — is preaching the impoverishment of his kinfolk. They’ll be left with no money and their “sacred honor” — which, come to think of it, is what they have now, as they’re perishing.
[...] http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2009/07/10/capitalism-and-white-racial-decline/ At The Occidental Quarterly, Michael O’Meara is saying a lot that I happen to agree with about America’s racial decline. It wasn’t a function of a small cabal of Jewish cultural Marxists associated with the Frankfurt School. The triumph of political correctness in the 1980s happened long after the Civil Rights Movement had realized its primary goals. The worship of “diversity” as a fundamental American value was unheard of before Judge Powell’s opinion in the Bakke case. Multiculturalism first emerged on the scene in the 1970s. Chalking up our racial demise to “diversity snobbery” is putting the cart before the horse. [...]
notuswind-
“Judeo-Christianity” is jewish and the system of jewish economics, from the Talmud to you, entered England under Cromwell, from the Netherlands, and slowly overtime became the economic system America adopted.
Here is a review of a good book on the subject: http://www.mailstar.net/sombart.html
Whether the discussion concerns authentic “capitalism” in the utopian sense is irrelevant to the post. What is important is the priority placed on the acquisition of external goods over the development of internal goods. External goods are obviously a precondition for the pursuit of the good life, but unrestrained acquisition of money results in the transgression of traditional principles, which privilege internal goods. Hence, if the acquisition of external goods is regarded as the purpose of an individual’s existence (as it is for liberals), then institutions that facilitate the development of internal goods such as the family and the homogeneous political community are neglected.
Lena,
So is it your position that a “Jewish” system of economics brought Negros to North America in 1619 via the influence of a 20 year old Oliver Cromwell?
It was an example. The slave trade was largely jewish and the economic system that made slave trading okay was jewish.
“Some historians, notably Edmund Morgan, have suggested that indentured servitude provided a model for slavery in 17th-century Virginia. In theory, indentured servants sold their labor voluntarily for a period of years (typically four to seven), after which they would be freed with “freedom dues” of cash, clothing, tools, and/or land. In practice, indentured servitude could be like slavery and was often a violent system; some Englishmen and Englishwomen (felons and those who were kidnapped) were compelled to become indentured servants, and in the early 17th century, many indentured servants did not live long enough to be freed. The principal significance of indentured servitude, Morgan argues, is that it accustomed 17th century Virginia planters to use physical violence (including beating and rape) to compel workers to work. This set a precedent for the violence of African chattel slavery, which the British colonies first adopted on a large scale in the 1660s and 1670s.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_colonial_United_States
1660’s, 1670’s
“Jews also took an active part in the Dutch colonial slave trade; indeed, the bylaws of the Recife and Mauricia congregations (1648) included an imposta (Jewish tax) of five soldos for each Negro slave a Brazilian Jew purchased from the West Indies Company. Slave auctions were postponed if they fell on a Jewish holiday. In Curacao in the seventeenth century, as well as in the British colonies of Barbados and Jamaica in the eighteenth century, Jewish merchants played a major role in the slave trade. In fact, in all the American colonies, whether French (Martinique), British, or Dutch, Jewish merchants frequently dominated.
“This was no less true on the North American mainland, where during the eighteenth century Jews participated in the ‘triangular trade’ that brought slaves from Africa to the West Indies and there exchanged them for molasses, which in turn was taken to New England and converted into rum for sale in Africa. Isaac Da Costa of Charleston in the 1750’s, David Franks of Philadelphia in the 1760’s, and Aaron Lopez of Newport in the late 1760’s and early 1770’s dominated Jewish slave trading on the American continent.”
http://www.blacksandjews.com/MarcLeeRaphael.html
The first shipment into Virginia of Negroes was in 1619.
“A Dutch slave trader exchanged his cargo of Africans for food in 1619. ”
http://innercity.org/holt/slavechron.html
Dutch, Netherlands.
From the same site:
“1624
New Amsterdam- The Dutch, who had entered the slave trade in 1621 with the formation of the Dutch West Indies Co., import blacks to serve on Hudson Valley farms. According to Dutch law, the children of manumitted (freed) slaves are bound to slavery.”
“Following the lead of Massachusetts and Connecticut, Virginia legalized slavery in 1661. In 1672 the king of England chartered the Royal African Company to bring the shiploads of slaves into trading centers like Jamestown, Hampton, and Yorktown.”
And where did Charles the Second come from?
There can be no such thing as state authority as an end in itself, for, if there were, every tyranny in this world would be unassailable and sacred.
If, by the instrument of governmental power, a nationality [race/ethnicity] is led toward its destruction, then rebellion is not only the right of every member of such a people — it is his duty.
And the question-when is this the case? — is decided not by theoretical dissertations, but by force and — results.
Since, as a matter of course, all governmental power claims the duty of preserving state authority — regardless how vicious it is, betraying the interests of a people a thousandfold — the national instinct of self-preservation, in overthrowing such a power and achieving freedom or independence, will have to employ the same weapons by means of which the enemy tries to maintain his power. Consequently, the struggle will be carried on with ‘legal’ means as long as the power to be overthrown employs such means; but it will not shun illegal means if the oppressor uses them.
In general it should not be forgotten that the highest aim of human existence is not the preservation of a state, let alone a government, but the preservation of the species. [race]
And if the species [race] itself is in danger of being oppressed or utterly eliminated, the question of legality is reduced to a subordinate role. Then, even if the methods of the ruling power are alleged to be legal a thousand times over, nonetheless the oppressed people’s instinct of self-preservation remains the loftiest justification of their struggle with every weapon.
Only through recognition of this principle have wars of liberation against internal and external enslavement of nations on this earth come down to us in such majestic historical examples.
Human law cancels out state law.
And if a people is defeated in its struggle for human rights, this merely means that it has been found too light in the scale of destiny for the happiness of survival on this earth. For when a people is not willing or able to fight for its existence- Providence in its eternal justice has decreed that people’s end.
The world is not for cowardly peoples.
1. I suspect the Linderites reading this think “capitalism” is just another synonym for “Jew.”
2.) If the proportion of Westerners who believe in some form of Darwinian evolution is at an all time high, that shows belief in such things doesn’t tend toward race realism.
3. And, no, Cromwell didn’t emancipate the Jews. That didn’t happen until the 19th Century. See:
http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11025&highlight=cromwell
Prozium: “It was the push and pull of America’s capitalist economy that drove these demographic changes, not a vast Jewish conspiracy.”
I don’t believe in the ‘One Jewish Cause’ theory or various Jewish conspiracies either, but they certainly played a major role in White America’s decline. For the past 75-100 years, everywhere you look in America they have been chipping away at every native White institution or White cultural norm that they could - in the USA we can thank Jewry for plutocratic international/cosmopolitan rootless capitalism and its associated hyperconsumerism/advertising (Bernays, etc), the widespread acceptance of multiracialism/miscegenation and the ‘Civil Rights’ movement, radical White-male-hating feminism, the sewage emanating from America’s Jew-controlled mass-media, biased/corrupted far-leftist academia and many sectors of the legal system which is also now Jew-controlled, and so on.
Again, the Jews aren’t the ONLY cause for White dispossession, but they are a major part - they have been chipping away at the foundations of White America for decades until eventually the edifice collapsed, resulting in the near total socio-cultural, economic, and of course racial ruin we are now confronted by. In Eastern Europe they went radical and engaged in a ‘total revolution’ to capture power and build the USSR, but here in the USA they have taken the gradualist/Fabian approach which seems to have been more effective in terms of slowly seizing power and holding on to it - at least the anti-Jewish anti-Communists in Eastern Europe knew exactly who they were opposing…here in the USA they have managed to infiltrate nearly every camp or political party or school of thought and then bend it to their needs - and thus it is extremely difficult to oppose them.
History has proven time and time again that Jews are like termites which slowly undermine and decimate any and all ’structures’ (cultures, civilizations, etc) that they are able to infest. Thus it is the duty of every person who cares about a brighter future to vigorously oppose them.
Great post. This neatly summarizes why I’ve abandoned the Jewish angle almost completely in my thinking. Alain de Benoist has written extensively why capitalism destroys everything that conservatives claim to cherish. He was one the first writers to open my eyes to the historic agitation of industrialists for immigrants. Village idiots like Linder haven’t reached that point in their analysis yet. Either he’s willfully lying or just ignorant when he dismisses capitalism as a source of our demise, and instead blames the Jew. The unique answer to all that ails us for this vulgar primitive. You can’t blame the Jews for everything.
Proze, you’ve got the talent to write for one of the major news outlets. Seriously! What are you waiting for? Apply now! F**k, I know talent when I see it.
notuswind: “So is it your position that a “Jewish” system of economics brought Negros to North America…”
Are you really unaware that Jews dominated the trans-Atlantic African slave trade? If so, you need to do more research.
The first/oldest synagogues in the Western hemisphere were all founded on various Caribbean islands - many of these still stand today. Jews here played the main/leading role in importing African slaves to work on their sugar or molasses plantations (Jews also controlled the international sugar/molasses trade) as well as other major monocropping operations - those agricultural goods would head back to European markets, with the slave-trading Jews and plantation owners using free African slave labor (the labor Jewry likes best: FREE LABOR) and thus the Jews pocketing nearly all the profits. Many of the Caribbean islands had Jewish populations (evidenced by their very old synagogues and some still surviving records) that used African slave labor - eventually the market for those goods collapsed and the Jews moved on to greener pastures, leaving all of the Blacks there behind to breed and slowly take over the islands (note Jewish historical pattern of nation-wrecking). Similarly, the first synagogue in South America was founded in Recife, Brazil - which also “just happened to be” the major slave port in all of South America (especially Brazil, which of course nowadays has a huge Black population). Thus even early on we see Jews promoting radical forms of multiracialism, just as they are still doing today.
Do the research and seek to understand the relationship international Jewry had with both England and Holland after they had been expelled from Spain and Portugal (in 1492 and 1497). After the Spanish/Portuguese expulsions many of them went to England and Holland as well as the New World where they then engaged in the “Triangle Trade,” moving slaves between Africa and the New World with England/Holland as the top edge or intermediary of the triangular trade that provided the ships, supplies, etc. Many Sephardic Jews lived in North Africa back in the day, and they coordinated the African slave trade with their fellow Jews there as well as in both Holland/England and in the New World - in fact, most of the Jews involved in the slave trade were likely Sephardic rather than the Ashkenazi we are more familiar with, though some Ashkenazi Jews were certainly involved too.
The first synagogue in what would eventually become the USA was founded in Newport, RI - Newport also “just happened to be” a major slaving port during its heyday; look in to the life of Jewish international shipping merchant Aaron Lopez of Newport who himself owned over two dozen ships…many of which transported African slaves to the USA. Jews in Charleston, SC also played a huge role in the trans-Atlantic African slave trade. In the first few decades of the 1800s, more Jews lived in Charleston and SC than any other American state, and many Jews in South Carolina owned huge plantations that used African slave labor (just as they did on some Caribbean islands). A similar situation existed in Savannah, GA - the Jews there also imported many African slaves. Same with New Orleans, LA. As we now know, the untold thousands of Africans that they brought to the USA back then have now bred to produce tens of millions of them through centuries of natural increase.
To make matters worse, Jewish propagandists in the American media (as well as other national medias, too) have tried to blame all of this on ‘mean ol White men,’ particularly ones who are, according to their biased media propaganda, very English or Germanic looking, with blond or light hair, blue eyes, grizzled red beards, tropical sun beaten faces, tallish/skinny, etc…according to the sickening anti-White propaganda found in Jew-produced films or TV shows, Whites are solely responsible for the African slave trade and Jews had nothing to do with it. However, this is all a bunch of lies of course, Jews being some of the biggest liars in human history - international Jewish merchants were the ones primarily responsible for bringing hordes African slaves to the New World, not Northern Europeans.
Do the research and ye shall find…here’s a quick link that I found if you are looking for more info - http://www.rense.com/general69/invo.htm
Related to the topic of this post, rampant capitalism - Prozium…you ought to read the info found in the above-mentioned link - http://www.rense.com/general69/invo.htm - in order to learn a bit about the early history of capitalism as practiced by international Jewry, an international capitalistic system that was certainly detrimental to Whites because it led to the flooding of the newly White lands of the New World with hordes of cheap African labor.
Most of the world is effectively capitalist these days… yet we only see race replacement in white countries. Explain this please, before continuing with this “it’s all capitalism’s fault” line of reasoning.
While it’s true that the forces of economics often oppose racial interests, in the past there was usually enough racialist sentiment to keep things at least under control. The 1924 immigration restriction act is a good example. It wasn’t until the rise of the Jews to power that we see the disaster that we have today.
Jews, not capitalism, destroyed racialism among Europeans. Period. End of story.
So all the glaring efforts of organized Jewry to push things in the same direction in which capitalism is pushing things are unnecessary and the Jews could have saved their money because capitalism promised to do the job without their help. It’s funny because Jews have never been known to spend fortunes of their hard-earned money for nothing (fortunes are what they’ve spent installing and protecting race-replacement since 1880). That Jewish guy Weintraub I think his name was didn’t have to pay Carl Pope a hundred million dollars to make sure the Sierra Club never breathed a word against the replacement of U.S. whites with Mexicans — he could’ve sat back, let capitalism take care of it, and donated his money to Israel instead. All those organizations and individuals Kevin MacDonald documents who for decades pushed for open borders were wasting their time: capitalism was going to get the 1965 Hart-Celler immigration bill passed without their help, so it turns out they could’ve spent their time helping their kids with their algebra homework, teaching their sons how to lay down a bunt, and driving their daughters to figure-skating practice. You had an entire decades-long Jewish movement which sprang up, went through fortunes in Jewish money, and worked its fingers to the bone, all for naught — like going outside during a thunder storm and torrential downpour to water your lawn. Same applies to all these Jews and Jewish organizations fiercely protecting race-replacement right now: you’re wasting your time, guys – the capitalist system will see to it, you can go do something useful now.
“While it’s true that the forces of economics often oppose racial interests, in the past there was usually enough racialist sentiment to keep things at least under control. The 1924 immigration restriction act is a good example.” ( — Reader)
This is precisely the point. It’s not that mistakes weren’t made. It’s that after they were made, balance was always sooner or later restored. But no more, since the advent of Jewish hegemony in the ’60s.
The log entry makes the same point when it says,
“The same fundamental forces are at work that have always been operative throughout American history. The only difference is that they are now met with less resistance than before.”
Ahhhh, they’re met with less resistance now. All right, why?
I’ll give you three guesses.
Dear Prozium,
Your, as alway well-written essay, has provoked some thoughtful responses. We all have benefitted.
Everyone agrees unbridled capitalism is destructive of race and nation. So is unbridled Christianity. So is unbridled women’s suffrage. Unbridled lots of things are destructive of lots of things. Who took the bridle off? Who took it off capitalism? The Russian Oligarchs were all Jewish. Would Russian Oligarchs who were all Russian race and Russian-Orthodox religious background have been on average more mindful of Russia’s and Russians’ welfare than the hundred-percent Jewish bunch who ran things there for a while? I consider it likely. Is capitalism forcing open borders on Israel? Why not? Maybe because its (capitalism’s) bridle gets quietly slipped back on in that case, precisely so it won’t harm Jews or the Jewish state the way it’s capable of harming peoples and states in its unbridled form? Why isn’t its bridle slipped back on in the U.S.’s case? Could the fact that most U.S. billionaires are Jewish have anything to do with that? If among a typical group of, say, twenty Jewish billionaires, big CEOs, Wall Streeters, bankers, or what-have-you, not one cares about the American people or the America nation, and if, among a typical group of the same but Eurochristians instead of Jews, one out of twenty cares about the American people and the American nation, maybe that difference, maybe that one out of twenty which you’ll never get when the 20 are all Jews but you will, on average when they’re Euros, is all it takes to save a people and a nation?
FB is passing from one extreme to another.
“Proze, you’ve got the talent to write for one of the major news outlets. Seriously! What are you waiting for? Apply now! F**k, I know talent when I see it.”
I would note that the major news outlets would have Prozium handed over to the Mossad firing squads posthaste. We can’t afford to lose you, Prozium - don’t throw your life away like that!
But your post is sheer genius. Let us hope the blog medium will provide an adequate field for your web-journalism, or that your words manage to reach your audience by some new medium as yet unforeseen.
“Jews, not capitalism, destroyed racialism among Europeans. ”
The gunslinger, not the gun, is responsible for homicide. The gun was nonetheless the tool employed.
**Lena, notuswind, Roland, White Preservationist et al, you ALL MUST read this book! –
“Oliver Cromwell, having been FINANCED by Manasseh Ben Israel and Moses Carvajal, allows Jews to return to England, though order of banishment never rescinded by Parliament.
“AMSTERDAM JEWS financed the rebellion against King James II. The chief of these — Solomon Medina — follows William of Orange to England.
“The Bank of “England” set up and the National Debt instituted, securing for the Jew moneylenders a FIRST CHARGE ON THE TAXES of England for interest on their loans. The right to print money transferred FROM THE CROWN to this “Bank of England”.
“Economic and political union FORCED UPON Scotland against the vote of every county and borough; the national debt foisted upon Scotland, and the royal mint in Edinburgh suppressed.”
THE NAMELESS WAR
~ by Captain A.H.M. Ramsay
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/nameindx.htm
&
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menasseh_Ben_Israel
White Preservationist said -
“To make matters worse, Jewish propagandists in the American media (as well as other national medias, too) have tried to blame all of this on ‘mean ol White men,’ particularly ones who are, according to their biased media propaganda, very English or Germanic looking, with blond or light hair, blue eyes, grizzled red beards, tropical sun beaten faces, tallish/skinny, etc…according to the sickening anti-White propaganda found in Jew-produced films or TV shows, Whites are solely responsible for the African slave trade and Jews had nothing to do with it. However, this is all a bunch of lies of course, Jews being some of the biggest liars in human history - international Jewish merchants were the ones primarily responsible for bringing hordes African slaves to the New World, not Northern Europeans.”
How true!!!
WP, you and the others may find these links of great interest -
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-atrocities-slaves-jews-and-the-black-holocaust.html
http://www.mailstar.net/secret.html
The president and founder of the American Federation of Labor, in 1886, was the British Jew Samuel Gompers. Initially, under his tutelage the internationalist leaders in affiliated unions, most foreign born, “believed that the rights of emigration and immigration were natural rights…”
Solidarity or Survival?American Labor and European Immigrants, 1830-1924
Book by A. T. Lane;
“When working-class opponents of restriction thought about immigration in the context of natural rights and human brotherhood, they revealed an intense idealism and a strong conviction that their arguments would have a powerful appeal. They firmly believed that the rights of emigration and immigration were natural rights, and a succession of labor spokesmen reiterated their commitment to this idea. “It was,” wrote O’Neill McDarragh, “an infringement of the natural rights of man ‘to proscribe his liberty to move to any part of the world which seems to him best’.”
In contrast to Gompers et al, Henry Cabot Lodge, a Boston Brahman, spoke in defense of the American worker and the founding American race.
“It is found, in the first place, that the illiteracy test will bear most heavily upon the Italians, Russians, Poles, Hungarians, Greeks, and Asiatics, and very lightly, or not at all, upon English-speaking emigrants, or Germans, Scandinavians, and French. In other words, the races most affected by the illiteracy test are those whose emigration to this country has begun within the last twenty years and swelled rapidly to enormous proportions, races with which the English-speaking people have never hitherto assimilated, and who are most alien to the great body of the people of the United States.
There is no one thing which does so much to bring about a reduction of wages and to injure the American wage earner
as the unlimited introduction of cheap foreign labor through unrestricted immigration. Statistics show that the change in the race character of our immigration has been accompanied by a
corresponding decline in its quality. The number of skilled mechanics and of the persons trained to some occupation or pursuit has fallen off, while the number of those without occupation or training, that is, who are totally unskilled, has risen in our recent immigration to enormous proportions. This low, unskilled labor is the most deadly enemy of the American wage earner, and
does more than anything else toward lowering his wages and forcing down his standard of living.
This momentous fact is the one which confronts us to-day, and if continued, it carries with it future consequences far deeper than any other event of our times. It involves, in a word, nothing less than the possibility of a great and perilous change in the very fabric of our race.”
http://us.history.wisc.edu/hist102/pdocs/lodge_immigration.pdf
It’s abundantly clear that official Jews like Gompers, Schiff, Wise and Untermeyer in addition to a coterie of others worked relentlessly to keep the doors open to mass immigration. Gompers did relent by the time of his death. It is also clear the American “elites” were well aware of the negative impact of mass Southern and Eastern European immigration upon the wages, quality of living and the racial fabric of the founding American people. Without the efforts of organised Jewry, “elites” like Lodge and his compatriots in the Immigration Restriction League would have closed the doors to mass immigration fifteen to twenty years earlier.
notuswind: “How can you possibly think that Darwinism is in decline? The proportion of Westerners who believe in some form of Darwinian evolution is at an all time high.”
I’m talking about the triumph of the anti-Darwinists (like Boas) early-middle of the last century. Without that, there would have been no intellectual basis for things like Brown. MacDonald talks about this in The Culture of Critique. Has anyone properly refuted this work? We’ve got Lieberman questioning whether Jews are hyper-ethnocentric and whether MacDonald has properly quoted Schatz. MacDonald’s interpretation of Schatz was largely confirmed by Slezkine. The question of ‘hyper-ethnocentrism’ for Jews as a group has little or no bearing on the thesis of CoC. The triumph of Boasian anthropology and the pathologization of White ethnocentrism are the two most destructive things that happened in the 20th century. Marcuse is a sideshow, he’s only of interest in explaining the total outbreak of degeneracy. The real damage was done by those who came before him. Yes, their projects served the interests of capitalists looking for cheap labour. The key points though are those made by Reader and Desmond. Natural immune responses were disabled.
Prozium, I agree with those here who’ve been praising your work. You should consider writing something for Vdare or Amren, which would draw even more people to your blog.
“key point though are those made by Reader and Desmond”
and Fred
“Do the research and seek to understand the relationship international Jewry had with both England and Holland after they had been expelled from Spain and Portugal (in 1492 and 1497). ”
Also do not forget that a marranos Jew named JOHN CALVIN (real name: Jon Cohen) laid the foundations for Capitalism/ Usury!! The Jewish roots of this malaise date back centuries!
Also Prozium mentions that ‘White Flight’ has allowed alot of the White Capitalists to flew that they have created.. but how much longer can that go on?? Especially after Comrade Obama grants Amnesty??? It can’t go on forever and eventually there will be no where else for some to flee the Race Replacement Regime, that is when the message of White Nationalism will need to be relayed!
WP,
That is essentially my position: Jewish influence was a major cause, but one amongst many.
Most of the world is effectively capitalist these days… yet we only see race replacement in white countries. Explain this please, before continuing with this “it’s all capitalism’s fault” line of reasoning.
This isn’t true. Israel has a lot of guest workers. The same is true of a number of the wealthier Arab countries such as Bahrain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Bahrain
While it’s true that the forces of economics often oppose racial interests, in the past there was usually enough racialist sentiment to keep things at least under control.
The vast majority of European immigrants bypassed the South and settled in the American North and West. It’s true that the South remained highly racialist into the 1970s and 1980s. We’ve already discussed the long term decline of racialism in the North.
The 1924 immigration restriction act is a good example. It wasn’t until the rise of the Jews to power that we see the disaster that we have today.
I specifically mentioned in the blog entry how the 1924 Immigration Act didn’t apply to Hispanics and how it was amended to appease local business interests.
Jews, not capitalism, destroyed racialism among Europeans. Period. End of story.
1.) It was demand for cheap labor that brought the Jews to America in the first place.
2.) The Jews accumulated enormous wealth by being good capitalists. It was capitalism that rationalized their near takeover of the news and entertainment media.
3.) It was liberalism that rationalized extending to the Jews all the rights and liberties of other citizens.
4.) Democracy has allowed the Jews to participate in our political process.
FS, does your Jewish family know about your views regarding them? How about your sisters who are married to Jews? How about your parents? Or are you just this obsessive-compulsive anti-Semite on anonymous blogs? You’re the biggest weirdo in cyberspace.
This isn’t true. Israel has a lot of guest workers. The same is true of a number of the wealthier Arab countries such as Bahrain.
*Guest* workers is the key word here. They aren’t citizens, don’t get to vote, don’t get to stay permanently, and (in Israel) all sign contracts agreeing not to have sex with Jews.
Since guest workers is all you could come up with, you’re basically admitting that you can’t find any examples of non-white countries giving in to race replacement. Your theory is done for.
Reader, there’s nothing more permanent than a temporary guest worker.
You didn’t follow my link. Bahrain’s demographics are not unlike our own.
None of those Arab countries, including Bahrain, let any of those non-Muslim guest workers from the Philippines, India and Pakistan become citizens. They are just permanent guest workers. They mostly breed with their own, too. As a matter of fact, it is rather difficult to become a citizen of many Arab countries. In Syria, you almost have to be born of Syrian parents. The difference between us and them is we let out “guest workers” become citizens. Very important distinction.
We’re also good liberals and democrats. Many of these states have adopted capitalism without the liberal democracy that usually comes as a package deal.
These guest workers are probably mostly single men whose families are in their home country. They haven’t come to breed.
“Reader” above is right, FB wrong.
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“Or are you just this obsessive-compulsive anti-Semite on anonymous blogs?” ( — FB)
“Anti-Semite” is a term, like “racist,” which has no meaning beyond its use as a code word for signaling your politics by the way you throw it around.
I don’t want to get in fights with you, FB — I have nothing against you. You happen to be wrong in discounting the Jewish factor to the extent you now do. Nothing personal, you’re just wrong. So is Proze, to the extent he does it. So are GW, CvH, A Finn, Ian Jobling, Lawrence Auster, James Kalb, Prof. Gottfried, Taki, and any others, to the extent they do it. Prof. MacDonald is right. Alex Linder, notwithstanding his extremely direct and somewhat abrasive style of delivery, is essentially correct, unfortunately. I wish it were otherwise.
Now let’s keep this disagreement friendly, shall we?
I’m not obsessive-compulsive, whether an obsessive-compulsive anti-Semite or in any other way.
FB insists on seeing me as Jewish, and he can’t digest that.
I’m not Jewish. I’m Catholic. Just like Sarkozy (or, less than he is, actually).
Uh-oh — I see a white man is trying to be a thinker again. Prozium writes this:
“It was capitalism that rationalized [the Jews'] near takeover of the news and entertainment media.”
What do you mean — “rationalized”? Jews founded or bought newspapers and movie studios — as anyone else might have. If “White Nationalists” gain political power, will my few white descendants suffer government control of the founding and operating of communication enterprises? From White Nationalist websites, I often get that impression.
White Nationalists will wisely direct their attention to the real question: Why are so many whites stupid enough to accept news-media drivel? (I’m not an expert on the subject — but my guess would be this: Most white women prefer to mate with white men whose conspicuous characteristics are alcoholism, hatred of intellect, and an eagerness to attack anyone who tucks his shirt in. Somehow, there’s never a short supply.)
Concentrate on the problem — not the symptom.
Justified.
That’s exactly my point. They were “free” to do so. There wasn’t the slightest whiff of resistance to this - it was all rationalized/justified under capitalism. The Jews waltzed in and took over.
Opinions vary.
We ought to start targeting the people who comment on all these new right-wingish and racially-aware blogs like Roissy - many of the people who frequent blogs like that are ripe for White racialist thought and only need to be nudged a bit in to our camp; note the following comment by commenter ASDF:
“Countries can become liberal and not fall apart as long as they keep their core populations who are usually high IQ, productive, and ethnically homogeneous. This is why things like universal health care works(ed) in those countries. Nobody minds chipping in for health care, because they know that the guy across the country is chipping in too, and you get a sense of being on the same team when 95% of the population is ethnically and culturally similar, so you have an affinity for those who needed help.
Problems arise when these liberal countries decide it would be fun to import millions of third worlders instead of reproducing on their own. Canada is the worst of the bunch in this regard. We have the highest per capita immigration rate on earth. The government promotes this supposedly because ordinary Canadians are not reproducing in sufficient numbers. The NDP actually wants to double our immigration rate, to 2% of our population per year.
So we have all the problems that Roissy mentioned and then some: Women moving to the big city and not reproducing, voting for BIG government to subsidize their lifestyle, and large scale population replacement. This goes largely unnoticed, as the immigrants mainly stick to 3 big cities, and our remaining social capital and institutions are quite strong and can keep things going for a while. Plus, we are a polite society, and what manners won’t keep quiet, new laws criminalising “hate speech” will.
This is, of course, unsustainable. The government is working night and day to destroy our national identity and replace us with foreigners. Canadians, for their part, have simply rolled over, but it can’t last forever.”
- http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/07/10/why-there-is-a-gender-gap/#comment-103525
If Jews expose the holes of capitalism, that is all the reason to support them. If they produce the antagonisms necessary to remove outdated 1776 American capitalism, then they should be supported.
Even without Jews, the system is flawed. If Jews help to expose those flaws, than that is good.
Re Prozium’s comment 47:
You’re saying nothing, Prozium. “Rationalized” and “justified” are not synonyms — but let’s grant that maybe you’re simply a poor typist and that “justified” is what you meant to write. My question is the same: What do you mean — “justified”?
You seem to think you have answered my original question simply by restating your original remark — in this form:
“That’s exactly my point. They were ‘free’ to do so. There wasn’t the slightest whiff of resistance to this - it was all rationalized/justified under capitalism. The Jews waltzed in and took over.”
Putting aside that, to the typical white mind, running a successful business is a matter of “waltzing in” — I ask you again: Why do you think you’ve made a point by putting the word “free” in quotation marks when you write that Jews were “‘free’ to do so”? You’re saying nothing.
What exactly was the problem? Why exactly was there not the “slightest whiff” of resistance to this? Because stupid whites accepted nonsensical news coverage and idiotic movies? That’s not a Jewish problem.
And why do you think you’re saying anything by glibly replying that, on the question of CENSORSHIP, no less, White Nationalists’ “opinions vary”? That sounds like a threat — like a white man reaching for a gun. Bottle of whiskey too far out of reach?
Jews have already helped remove ‘outdated’ economic systems. It didn’t work out too well for the natives.
This isn’t a problem specific to capitalism. You would have this problem in any economic system where interested parties are able to influence immigration policy to their benefit. The key issue is that the immune response of native Whites has been disabled.
I’m not sure how my language could possibly be more clear, everyone else seems to have grasped my point, but let me try to break it down for you again: capitalism provided the “rationale” for the Jewish takeover of key American mass media outlets. It was “justified” under capitalism.
In other words, there was no resistance to this; Jews snapping up newspapers left and right didn’t arouse much controversy. Their actions were perceived to have legitimacy by everyone. They were “playing by the rules” of the capitalist system.
It was precisely their “freedom” (that is, the rights and liberties that came with American citizenship) that allowed the Jews to become such a hegemonic force in our mass media. Under a different system (National Socialism, for example), this never would have happened.
The LDC system. The Jews were being good capitalists. Under capitalism, their actions were justified. Few Americans reject capitalism. This is why there was no resistance to the takeover.
Are you saying we don’t have a Jewish problem in our mass media? Is that your position?
Hey, you’re the one who asked. Opinions do vary in the WN community.
Should the discursive means of production remain in the control of a handful of wealthy aliens? I don’t think so.
That’s right: I’m saying we don’t have a Jewish problem in our mass media. That’s my position. If a politically-decisive portion of the white population is too stupid to reject nonsensical news coverage and idiotic movies — then “we” have a white problem.
Thanks for clearing that up. Perhaps you should expand upon your initial comment above. I would be very interested in hearing how capitalism has nothing to with our immigration policy.
John B: “If a politically-decisive portion of the white population is too stupid to reject nonsensical news coverage and idiotic movies — then “we” have a white problem.”
Hey John - stop blaming the White masses of the USA for the Jewish disease known as the American media. You apparently haven’t figured out yet that the masses will gladly accept any kind of swill that is spoon-fed to them by the mass-media, mass-government, mass-education, etc. Again, the masses will wholeheartedly lap-up ANYTHING fed to them…but it’s not their fault that the garbage fed to them now happens to be Jewish filth of the lowest and most base kind.
Start studying crowd psychology more and get a clue, dude. Crown psychology 101: “the masses (of whatever race, religion, etc) are totally malleable by the elites of a society - they will accept anything and everything that the elites tell them to accept”
TYPO —> “Crown psychology 101″ should obviously read “CrowD psychology 101″
Prozium, do you believe revolution is necessary to reform capitalism or do you believe it can be reformed gradually?
If you say gradual, then I understand why you may think as you do about Jews. But if think revolution is necessary, then Jews are a godsend.
JohnB: “Because stupid whites accepted nonsensical news coverage and idiotic movies? That’s not a Jewish problem. … Why are so many whites stupid enough to accept news-media drivel?”
This guy sounds like a Jewish troll.
In normal/healthy societies, the native elites often act decently toward the native ‘prole’ masses because they both share a common ethnicity, history, religion and so forth. In those ‘ideal’ societies (such as the USA is decidedly not), the elites guide the dumb/unthinking mass human herd with a generally benevolent hand, even encouraging them to rise up toward higher ideals and goals and thus enriching the native country overall.
What makes the situation in the USA at present extremely disturbing is that the mass-media (the entire country, actually) has been largely hijacked by a bunch of parasitic nation-wrecking Jews who manipulate the stupid masses with their controlled talmudvision (TV) as well as the sewage flowing from Jewish Hollywood. As hostile elites, the Jews do not at all act benevolently toward the native Whites - in fact, they despise them and want them to be as degraded and stupid as possible, lapping up everything pushed on to them by the Jewish mass-media elites.
In nations that have been corrupted by alien, hostile, and rotten elements such as the USA has been decayed from within by cancerous organized Jewry with help from their sickening talmudvision (TV), the situation is even worse because the already clueless, unthinking, and malleable White masses are being even more deliberately ‘moronized’ so that they can be more degraded and exploited by hostile Jewish elites.
There are aspects of the Third Reich which I admire. The removal of Jews from all positions of influence in German culture (the mass media, the universities, the government, etc.) is a policy I would replicate here.
Inceman: “But if think revolution is necessary, then Jews are a godsend.”
Yeah, “Jews are a godsend” if you want the most intelligent and capable Whites to naively team up with revolutionary Jews to remake society only to be eventually betrayed by those very same Jews who will inevitably turn on them and round them up, imprison them, execute them, and/or starve them by the tens of millions as ‘counter-revolutionaries’ just as happened in the first few decades of the JEW-SSR.
Fuck off with your pathetic philosemitism, Iceman - it won’t fly here.
Prozium: “The removal of Jews from all positions of influence in German culture (the mass media, the universities, the government, etc.) is a policy I would replicate here.”
Hell yes. Without a doubt that should be one of the first goals of a pro-White government should it ever come to power in the USA - include in that list banking and official monetary policy as well as the legal system, medicine, international trade, retail, and so on. A tiny (2-3% of the population) as well as hostile ethnically Jewish elite has NO RIGHT to dominate key sectors such as those in White countries.
If you look at the most corrupt and worm-eaten sectors of American society (as well as German society before the NSDAP came to power), it is obviously those sectors where Jews predominate that are in the most advanced stages of decay and decline (medicine, academia, the legal system, banking, the mass-media, etc…TONS of Jewish doctors, professors, lawyers, bankers, journalists: does that sound familiar?) - forget what the Jewish sociologists say…CORRELATION DOES IMPLY CAUSATION.
The best solution would be total physical/geographic separation of Jews from non-Jews. In the USA this would be completely workable (because the USA is so huge) by giving Jews a semi-autonomous region of the USA as their own - I’d say that giving Jews the bottom half of NY state, along with revoking their citizenship in White America and requiring them to live in their own designated Jewish territory, would solve nearly all Jewish-related problems in the USA. In their own semi-autonomous region of the USA, ‘Jew York’ as it were, they could import all of the non-White immigrants they want and engage in Jewish-style plutocratic capitalism/feminism/multiracialism/Boasianism/Marxism/Freudianism/etc till the cows come home. In forcing Jews to live in ‘Jew York’ they also couldn’t accuse White America of trying to ‘ghettoize’ them since the bottom half of NY state is huge and could easily accommodate tens of millions of them - also, they would of course be free to immigrate away from such a territory whenever they wanted, though we would be careful to offer stern warnings regarding the insidious danger of Jewry to any country willing to allow Jews to come live among them.
WP, what is your IQ?
I ask because you stupidly misread my post, which clearly states that subversive capitalism produces antagonism necessary for revolution, not necessarily that Jews would lead revolution.
What is your best iq score?
Prozium, you are too intelligent for the constituency you claim to represent.
You should really move to better ideologies.
And who are the people that, according to mounds of available evidence, are most responsible for subversive forms of plutocratic capitalism that results in revolutionary antagonism? Do I need I spell it out for your half-Jew brain, Iceman? J-E-W-S.
And my IQ is without a doubt higher than yours Adhominemman. You ought to stop resorting to dirty-Jew tricks like insulting a person’s intelligence, especially when that person is obviously more intelligent than you as I clearly am.
Perhaps if square them both.
A negative squared becomes a positive.
Capitalism has always been one of the primary drivers of race replacement.
Yep. But capitalism is like any other grasping force; it will control unless controlled. Hence the War-on-all-but-Capitalism-cum-panmixia.
Capitalism per se has nothing to do with immigration, loss of racial consciousness, or lack of thrift.
I think understanding motive has a lot to do with fighting crime, do you agree?
Any white man who preaches against “capitalism” — not a good term for it — is preaching the impoverishment of his kinfolk.
Capitalism works as a word for what we have now. I tend to agree that it isn’t a good word for a future “it” though, because when a white man thinks of Capitalism he’s thinking freedom of markets and economies.
And trust me, admitting bad things out loud about Capitalism goes against my breeding. But you’ve got to admit that Homo Economicus will sell you his wife, his daughter, his ass, and the rope to hang him with.
You know Iceman, you have a few good ideas now and then (excepting your sickening Jewish/Marxist beliefs), and being an idealistic White with lots of kindness still left within my soul (even toward Jewish/part-Jewish vermin such as yourself) I’ve long thought that we ought to allow people who are 1/4 Jewish or less to remain in the all-White/pro-White societies we are going to build in the future…keeping a few ‘useful Jews’ around as it were just as the White monarchs of yore sometimes liked to do.
However, the inclusion of part-Jews such as yourself in our all-White societies will be dependent on a few unbreakable conditions. First off, you all are going to have to publicly renounce your Jewishness as well as everything and anything having to do with Jewishness/Jews/Judaism in general - this will be done very loudly and as fanatically as possible in front of as many people as we can gather…it will be taped and thus permanently preserved, and any deviation from this renouncement of your Jewishness will result in expulsion and/or death. Next, you’ll be forced to undergo a mandatory and irreversible sterilization procedure (permanent vasectomy for part-Jewish males; permanent tubal-ligation for part-Jewish females) because we don’t want your filthy and degenerate Jewish genes slowly creeping back in our White gene pool or societies. Finally, you partial Jews will have to submit to being branded with a large ‘J’ or swastika on your right hand (take your pick) - this will be done without anesthesia. However, we’ll allow you to get drunk on very strong German beer beforehand if you want - the drunkenness will help to ease the pain. The ‘J’ or swastika brand will be used to easily identify partial Jews in case you all start causing trouble in our White nations again, thus making it much easier to round you all up and imprison and/or execute you if needed.
So are you down with the plan, Iceman? You want to be included in our all-White society? Good deal! So go ahead and start preparing the statement renouncing your Jewishness (remember, it MUST be very loud and fanatical) and get ready to scream it in front of thousands of raging White anti-Semites. After that’s done I’ll call the clinic and make an appointment for your permanent sterilization, and I’ll also start heating up the branding iron until it’s bright orange and ready to sear your skin - you’ll also need to decide if you want a big ‘J’ or a swastika permanently burned in to your right hand, don’t forget about that. Decisions, decisions.
Michael O’Meara mentions “the vulgar anti-Semitism often found in white nationalist ranks — the sort that thinks everything wrong with white society is attributable solely to the omnipotent Jews.”
A million times more common and more worrysome in my opinion is the opposite position: ignoring Jewish anti-white activism because it would be vulgar (and sometimes dangerous) to notice the problem. In fact, most people have no idea the problem exists, and those in the know would rather downplay its importance. But the problem won’t go away if we ignore it.
Prozium: ” Capitalism has always been one of the primary drivers of race replacement. ”
More precisely, some employers have always been immigration enthusiasts, in order to lower wages and increase their gains. But we know that what benefits some capital owners does not necessarily benefit the whole capitalist system. I am sure it is in the best interest of “Western capitalism” to stop the race replacement. I have read that capital investors are now fleeing California. News articles say this is because of too costly regulations, but I think it has a lot to do with the heavy taxes on businesses, made necessary by the immigration disaster.
I found this in an VDare article by Peter Brimelow: “while immigration does not benefit native-born Americans in the aggregate, it does cause a significant redistribution of wealth among Americans—shifting as much as two percent of GDP from labor to capital, basically by beating down wages.”
I’m not sure what it means. I think the 2% gain for capital owners is only in the short term. It doesn’t mean that Americans would not be wealthier had there been no immigration after WWII (wealthier or not, people would be better off anyway). In the future, every one is bound to become poorer as the West progressively becomes the third-world. A better solution would have been to reach a deal between capital owners and unqualified workers: workers would have accepted lower wages in exchange for an end to the race-replacement policy. If some capital owners have bribed politicians into carrying out the race-replacement policy, organized labor should have bribed other politicians in order to shut down the borders, with help from the businesses who pay too much in taxes and do not need cheap, unqualified labor.
Armor: “Michael O’Meara mentions “the vulgar anti-Semitism often found in white nationalist ranks — the sort that thinks everything wrong with white society is attributable solely to the omnipotent Jews.” … A million times more common and more worrysome in my opinion is the opposite position: ignoring Jewish anti-white activism because it would be vulgar (and sometimes dangerous) to notice the problem. In fact, most people have no idea the problem exists, and those in the know would rather downplay its importance. But the problem won’t go away if we ignore it.”
I agree. Anti-Jewish measures must be planned and carried out in the most rational possible ways. Pogroms, violence, and other highly irrational and emotionalized anti-Jewish acts will only serve to garner more sympathy for ‘poor persecuted’ Jewry in the eyes of the thick-headed/short-sighted masses, especially among idiotic liberal White women and men.
Even then, as you wrote, “vulgar anti-Semitism” is still far preferable to no anti-Semitism whatsoever.
Jews are our foremost socio-racial enemies and must be opposed by all means and at all costs if Whites are to have a viable future on Earth. If Jewry win, Whites lose. That’s all there is to it.
At 58, White Preservationist writes, re me:
“This guy sounds likes a Jewish troll.”
Some white men you just can’t fool.
Anyway, Prozium — this is my last post on this entry. The burden is on you to demonstrate a connection betweeen capitalism and immigration. To put it another way, it is your burden to disprove the following:
“All non-white immigration could be stopped and, in fact, reversed, without any change to capitalism.”
When you get a moment, try to do something that, I recognize, the average white man doesn’t find natural: Stop talking and reflect on something that has been said to you. Your correspondent White Preservationist is not your friend. He’s your enemy. In the manner of most white men, he thinks it completely acceptable that the masses — AMONG WHOM YOUR CHILDREN LIVE — are stupid.
Do you ever hear a Jew talking that way? Do you ever hear a Jew saying, “Well, so-and-so’s a moron, but, you know, he’s a good fighter pilot, like that character in ‘Top Gun.’ I hope he’ll marry and impregnate my daughter.”
No, you never hear a Jew talking that way — because Jews are in touch with something that most white persons regard as (a) a vexation, or (b) optionally of interest: reality — where there is no substitute for intellect.
You’re losing — and your problem is not the Jews. It’s your own habits of mind. Avoiding them is not difficult.
Jews being some of the biggest liars in human history
Not that I want to discourage qualifiers, far from it, but in this case you could do without the “some of” part. It doesn’t take hostility towards Jews to see that, either.
I’m not Marxist. I’m Marx-literate and third positionist and ally with some Marxist individuals against liberals.
However, the inclusion of part-Jews such as yourself in our all-White societies will be dependent on a few unbreakable conditions. First off, you all are going to have to publicly renounce your Jewishness as well as everything and anything having to do with Jewishness/Jews/Judaism in general - this will be done very loudly and as fanatically as possible in front of as many people as we can gather…it will be taped and thus permanently preserved, and any deviation from this renouncement of your Jewishness will result in expulsion and/or death. Next, you’ll be forced to undergo a mandatory and irreversible sterilization procedure (permanent vasectomy for part-Jewish males; permanent tubal-ligation for part-Jewish females) because we don’t want your filthy and degenerate Jewish genes slowly creeping back in our White gene pool or societies. Finally, you partial Jews will have to submit to being branded with a large ‘J’ or swastika on your right hand (take your pick) - this will be done without anesthesia. However, we’ll allow you to get drunk on very strong German beer beforehand if you want - the drunkenness will help to ease the pain. The ‘J’ or swastika brand will be used to easily identify partial Jews in case you all start causing trouble in our White nations again, thus making it much easier to round you all up and imprison and/or execute you if needed.
So are you down with the plan, Iceman? You want to be included in our all-White society? Good deal! So go ahead and start preparing the statement renouncing your Jewishness (remember, it MUST be very loud and fanatical) and get ready to scream it in front of thousands of raging White anti-Semites. After that’s done I’ll call the clinic and make an appointment for your permanent sterilization, and I’ll also start heating up the branding iron until it’s bright orange and ready to sear your skin - you’ll also need to decide if you want a big ‘J’ or a swastika permanently burned in to your right hand, don’t forget about that. Decisions, decisions.
I think you are misinterpreting my motives for posting here. I am posting here to interact with Prozium and respond to his ideals, but I do not consider myself to be a white nationalist or a want to be white nationalist. I consider myself a race realist. I would never “renounce” Jewishness for whiteness because it is a false dillema to begin with. There are european nationalities and Jewish people vary to the extent of European or Russian blood they have, but even Middle Eastern blood can be Caucasoid. I renounce religion for ethnic nationalism and btw I do not think all Jews should unite. There are different types of Jews, some being assimilated and some not.
I don’t consider Russian Jews to be “pure” Jews they are diluted with Eastern Euro blood to begin with btw. But then nationalism doesn’t have to be based on racial purity.
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Good. The jew’s name is David Gelbaum.
The opening article (above) is so bad it doesn’t even qualify as trash. Execrable claptrap.
JohnB: “Your correspondent White Preservationist is not your friend. He’s your enemy. In the manner of most white men, he thinks it completely acceptable that the masses — AMONG WHOM YOUR CHILDREN LIVE — are stupid.”
I never said that average, ordinary, everyday people are stupid…I said that, in general, the masses in general are stupid and easily manipulated - this applies equally to the masses of ALL races and ethnicities, and in all countries worldwide. Luckily the internet age is changing this, albeit slowly - see the success of websites like Wikipedia, which the faceless masses built from scratch and has now become a decent resource. Same with the blogosphere. Nevertheless, the superiority of Whites is again proven by our inborn individualism as well as our natural aversion to all things ‘mass’ - in order to develop properly, we also need much more physical/geographic space than all other ethnic/racial groups and are very averse to the crowded urban conditions that other groups (Asiatics, Jews, Arabs, etc) can better tolerate. If you are White, also notice how uneasy many Whites feel in large mass-crowds or groups - that is because it is strongly against White instincts to feel comfortable in mass gatherings where the strongly individualistic White consciousness becomes submerged. However, it has been proven that when Whites DO happen to let our individualism slip a bit and start to collaborate and work more closely together (this often occurs when we find themselves under threat), we become virtually un-stoppable and can be opposed by no group: not even Jews, or Asiatics, or other highly collectivist-oriented groups can compete with Whites who work together closely…they can only beat Whites when we are our standard atomized, hyper-individualistic, and anti-collectivist selves. Jews, Asiatics, and other collectivists strongly encourage this hyper-individualism within Whites because they instinctively realize that if Whites were to start working together more as Whites and for Whites we would easily beat all other racial/ethnic competition.
If you take a bunch of people and put then in a stadium for a political rally, sports event, etc., they will on the whole behave stupidly and irrationally; like a herd of cattle they will all follow the crowd because of the collective pressures present (try it sometime: start ‘the wave,’ or start clapping or chanting and notice as people in the mass-crowd just start following along). However, if you take an individual, a family, or small group out of that dumb mass crowd they then begin to assert their individuality again and start acting like normal sentient beings - again, this only happens when they are taken away from the dumb mass, which served to interrupt their consciousness and rational thought processes. That was my point in rallying against the stupid masses…I never claimed that some random local White, Mr. Steve Normal down the street, was a moron - odds are actually that he is a hard-working, law-abiding, and reasonably intelligent man who provides well for his wife and children and keeps a good home. So stop putting words in to my mouth and playing your pathetic Talmudic word games, JohnB.
And NO, I don’t think it’s acceptable that so many Whites are becoming dumbed down nowadays - that is my reason for rallying against the Jew-infested American mass-media, academia, and so on that has worked assiduously to DELIBERATELY bring this pox of stupidity down upon this White masses even more than is to be expected under normal conditions; as I stated above: “the already clueless, unthinking, and malleable [White] masses are being deliberately ‘moronized’ [by Jewish mass-media elites] so that they can become even more degraded and thus easier exploited by the hostile Jewish elites [of America].”
John,
That’s easy enough to do. The loudest cheerleaders for open borders are the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, Business Roundtable, and the Wall Street Journal. How many millions of dollars has the business community spent lobbying for “comprehensive immigration reform”?
The capitalist economic system has always produced vested interests which have lobbied the government for looser immigration laws. This has been going on since colonial times. Any scholar of American immigration law will tell you that much.
I’ve always believed that racialists in America were too easy on capitalism. When I started doing research about the history of race in America, I found that capitalists have been trying to increase the number of non-whites in America since the beginning.
http://www.uschamber.com/issues/index/immigration/default
Read pages 59-70 of The Rise and Fall of Anglo-America below. It covers the support of big business for Chinese immigration in the late 19C.
http://books.google.com/books?id=UNCgK53pMrIC&printsec=frontcover&dq=fall+of+anglo+america
” capitalists have been trying to increase the number of non-whites in America since the beginning. “
I think a minority of capital owners stand to earn a lot by importing foreign workers. It makes them eager to bribe politicians. At the same time, most capital owners only stand to lose a moderate amount of money on account of the crazy immigration policy. It makes them less likely to defy leftist intimidation, and less likely to set up a lobby against race-replacement.
At 58, White Preservationist writes this:
“In normal/healthy societies, the native elites … guide the dumb/unthinking mass human herd…. the already clueless, unthinking, and malleable White masses….”
At 77, he writes this:
“I never said that average, ordinary, everyday people are stupid … I said that, in general, the masses in general are stupid and easily manipulated.”
After that bizarre locution, he advises me to “stop putting words in to [his] mouth and playing [my] pathetic Talmudic word games.”
He continues, advising me to “notice how uneasy many Whites feel in large mass-crowds or groups — that is because it is strongly against White instincts to feel comfortable in mass gatherings where the strongly individualistic White consciousness becomes submerged.”
Oh, yeah. That’s something I’ve really noticed about my fellow whites: They just hate being in mass gatherings where their strongly individualistic White consciousness becomes submerged. That’s why, for instance, every time a gang of sub-literates wins the World Series, the police officers in its city all take the day off. Why bother going to work when there’s no reason to anticipate damage to persons or property in celebration of such a momentous event?
Prozium — all you’ve attempted to prove so far is that certain persons or groups, such as the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, share your view that immigration is connected to capitalism. I didn’t ask you who agrees with you — and I’m not going to waste my time reading eleven pages of mainstream tripe by somebody named Eric P. Kaufmann.
Obviously, I’ve gone back on my statement that my post at 71 would be my last one at this entry.
The issue of Capitalists supporting immigration is nothing new. Their lust for cheap labour was also responsible for the importation of large amounts of racial aliens (”Guest Workers”) in Germany/Austria in the 1960s and 1970s.
In the UK the reason that the Conservative Government there in the 1950s never stopped commonwealth immigration was because in doing so that would also stop immigration from Southern Ireland and many sections of the UK economy were heavily dependent on Irish workers, the Construction Industry as well as the NHS, and others. They couldn’t just close the door to coloured immigration while continuing to allow white (irish) immigration, this discriminatory kind of policy just wasn’t going to fly in that day in age; they would have caused a split in the ‘Commonwealth’ and a host of other foreign relations for them. This, of course, wouldn’t have been a problem if Southern Ireland had remained apart of the United Kingdom and has not become independent (i.e. the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland).
You can also see similar factors at work in the non-Western countries like Japan. Business interests over are lobbying for more immigration, they say Japan needs to become 10% foreign in order to stay “competitive” because Japan is a “graying” (aging) society.
The Saudis, Kuwaitis and the Israelis do it (import cheap labor) as well. However, there are severe restrictions, imposed by contract.
“Chinese workers at a company in Israel have been forced to agree not to have sex with or marry Israelis as a condition of getting a job.
According to a contact they are required to sign, male workers may not have any contact with Israeli women - including prostitutes…”
“I’ve always believed that racialists in America were too easy on capitalism. When I started doing research about the history of race in America, I found that capitalists have been trying to increase the number of non-whites in America since the beginning.”
The ‘easiness’ on Capitalism is most likely a residual policy from the Cold War. Many Racialists were American Patriots and viewed Capitalism as a Good versus the Godless Communism of the Soviet Union.
However since the end of the Cold War this has slowly started to change. Many Racialists have moved away from supporting Capitalism and instead have supported some kind of Populism. Willis Carto called his Party ‘The Populist Party’ and David Duke ran on their ticket.
Patrick Buchanan has described himself as a ‘Conservative Populist’
The liberal critic Chip Bertlet doesn’t even refer to us as White Nationalists or Racialists but utilized the term ‘Right Wing Populist’ in some of his books.
So this is clearly changing in the post Cold War period.
I stick to my position that the problem is the Jews, period. Without Jewish domination of our institutions, there would be enough racialist sentiment to keep the economic factors balanced, just as there was in the early 20th century, and just as there still is in non-white societies today.
You can keep making this “but what about the system that let Jews take control in the first place!!!” point, and although it has some validity it’s fundamentally not very important now. Obviously the Jews need to be removed from power and systems need to be put in place to prevent them from retaking control. But given those things, racial survival is consistent with a wide variety of political, social, and economic systems. We might dispute whether one system is better than another but too much emphasis on this is a distraction from the core issue of taking back positions of authority from the Jews. Obviously we have to do that before we can do anything else.
Reader, is a true blue fanatic. One will never confuse him with facts. He’ll stick to his Jewish mantra no matter what evidence one produces.
I have laid out some of the reasons why I disagree with the Single Jewish Cause theory in a new thread.
“At the time [1919] almost half of all German private banks were Jewish owned, the stock exchange dominated by Jewish stockbrokers, almost half of the nation’s newspapers were Jewish run as were 80 per cent of chain stores.” - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1194194/Has-historian-finally-real-reason-Hitlers-obsessive-hatred-Jews.html
“He’ll stick to his Jewish mantra no matter what evidence one produces”
The fact that there are anti-semites of other Races points to the fact that there is something bad going on with Jews.
Black Nation of Islam anti-semites, Arab Muslim anti-semites… In Japan the Protocols of Zion were recently reprinted… yes Japan, a place with almost no Jews. The Japanese recognize that the Jews are up to something bad still!!
“In this edition, published in Tokyo in 2004, Ota Ryu writes that Jews dominate Western nations and that Japan must guard against a Jewish takeover. ”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion#Other_contemporary_appearances
All these people of various back-grounds can not all be wrong!!
I’ve been awake for a few years now, but right from the get-go I couldn’t buy into it’s all the Jews fault. It just didn’t make sense to me.
I must confess at that time, all which is being discussed here I was completely ignorant. I was just a chap who wanted to know what the heck was going on, immigration and the rest.
As I absorbed more and more of the emerging debate, I slowly came to the conclusion (which I had loosely held in the first place) that the forces of race replacement were an alliance of all of these factions, namely Jews, capitalists, Liberals, Wasps, (even Islam nowadays) who, can be either or any of these factions.
But there is a constant thread - Capitalism
It’s a sort of alliance of pick’n mix of people who are pressing for the same goal but for different reasons.
Needless to say, over time, they have fooled millions of useful idiots into hitching their wagon to Obama’s ‘Yes we can’ star.
I’m sure Prozium could explain it better.
I was surprised to see this post republished over at The Occidental Quarterly Online:
http://www.toqonline.com/2009/07/capitalism-and-white-racial-decline/
It was also posted at Western Voices World News: http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=7482
Good stuff, Prozium.
John Bonaccorsi: “Your correspondent White Preservationist is not your friend. He’s your enemy.”
Those that support our people in attaining the necessary conditions to secure our existence are our friends. Those that engage in self-serving apologetics in the service of our enemies, are our enemies.
“The burden is on you to demonstrate a connection betweeen capitalism and immigration. To put it another way, it is your burden to disprove the following:
“All non-white immigration could be stopped and, in fact, reversed, without any change to capitalism.””
Capitalists would no longer be allowed to employ illegal aliens and recent non-White “citizens” who would be henceforth stripped of their “citizenship”, upon pain of strict legal penalties. The pool of available labor would be much more restricted than is currently the case. Employers would be free, nay encouraged by tax incentives, to employ and nurture the skills of their co-ethnics. All that is a change to capitalism as currently incarnated, it is necessary to achieve the reversal of non-White immigration. There you have it.
“In the manner of most white men, he thinks it completely acceptable that the masses — AMONG WHOM YOUR CHILDREN LIVE — are stupid.
Do you ever hear a Jew talking that way? Do you ever hear a Jew saying, “Well, so-and-so’s a moron, but, you know, he’s a good fighter pilot, like that character in ‘Top Gun.’ I hope he’ll marry and impregnate my daughter.””
You are intentionally conflating intelligence and suggestibility. Is that not a black mark on your credibility, oh master of diction?
“No, you never hear a Jew talking that way — because Jews are in touch with something that most white persons regard as (a) a vexation, or (b) optionally of interest: reality — where there is no substitute for intellect.”
Jews are vastly outnumbered in America by Whites in terms of those with IQ above 130, which is the threshold IQ for high success, yet Jews are vastly disproportionately represented in academia, media, finance, politics and law. Why? Self-evidently, because of their greater ethnic cohesion the result of their greater ethnocentrism. In light of that, the burden is on you to prove Jewish “success” is not due more to their ethnic cohesion rather than their “merit”.
“You’re losing — and your problem is not the Jews. It’s your own habits of mind. Avoiding them is not difficult.”
Gotcha, ignore unchecked profit motive, ignore Jews, ignore the problem of White deracination/lack of ethnic cohesion/hyper-individualism. In short, just carry on as you were, i.e., lay down and die. LOL! Your habits of mind are on clear display.
I added them to the blogroll.
Mr. Bonaccorsi,
You are too clever by half, and therefore in the end not clever at all. You will not even exhort to us the paleocon “citizenism” of Sailer/Taylor. You have neglected to mention, if not realize, that the longer the clock ticks, the less viable “moderate” solutions will become, and the more likely “radical” solutions to our people’s eclipse will be to realization. You did know that, right?
Prozium — I admit it. I was wrong about everything. Listen to the likes of Captainchaos. (That’s what you want, right? To listen to someone with an “edgy” UserName — like that of a Hollywood-promoted rock star.) Just keep thinking the way you are.
I haven’t commented on your exchanges with the other posters.
Captainchaos –
I’ll make this simple for you. Slowly … take your hand away from your weapon … and go back and read what you yourself wrote:
“Jews are vastly outnumbered in America by Whites in terms of those with IQ above 130, which is the threshold IQ for high success, yet Jews are vastly disproportionately represented in academia, media, finance, politics and law. Why? Self-evidently, because of their greater ethnic cohesion the result of their greater ethnocentrism.”
Which suggests what? C’mon — you can do it. It suggests that “IQ” is not a measurement of — what? That’s right: intelligence. It suggests that “ethnic cohesion” might just be a term you favor to avoid using what word? That’s right: intelligence.
You and your ilk apparently think it reasonable to cry — as white men have been crying for centuries — that “the Jews have been nation-wreckers for thousands of years.” Fine. That reflects poorly on whom?
John, dude, my man, listen up. Gottfried and Auster are pursuing a pardonable, and sane strategy on behalf of their people, and Western Civilization, which I don’t doubt they wish to preserve. They try to rein in the obnoxious actors amongst their co-ethnics, speak sense to the rest of the Jewish community, and defend the White ethnic core without which Western Civilization will not stand. Why? Because without Whitey the Jews are toast, yup, I’m afraid it’s all too true. You see, no one else is tender minded and tender hearted enough to put up with all your shit. Certainly not the Chinese, who, once Whitey has been sufficiently marginalized, mongrelized, will inherit the earth. Ya dig? It ain’t rocket science.
saving Whitey = saving your own asses
P.S. That’s goddamn right, Whitey didn’t build the Mount Everest compared to a mole hill that is Western Civilization by being a pack of dumbasses. Right on.
P.P.S. Some Whites also have high verbal IQ, not just Jews.
“Which suggests what? C’mon — you can do it.”
Mmm-kay, got my thinking cap on, hope I don’t blow a fuse.
“It suggests that “IQ” is not a measurement of — what? That’s right: intelligence.”
If you mean not a direct measure, you are correct. If you mean it is not highly correlated with real world “success”, then you are wrong.
“It suggests that “ethnic cohesion” might just be a term you favor to avoid using what word? That’s right: intelligence.”
It is absurd on its face, even leaving IQ aside, to posit that Jews are THAT much more intelligent than Whites, given the intellectual achievements of Whites historically as contrasted with Jews. Unless you dispense with the idea of differentials in intelligence altogether and chalk it up to Jews just trying harder.
“You and your ilk apparently think it reasonable to cry — as white men have been crying for centuries — that “the Jews have been nation-wreckers for thousands of years.” Fine. That reflects poorly on whom?”
Verily, the Jew cries out in pain as he strikes you. LOL! Fair enough, I never want to here another word about Auntie Semite again.
John Bonaccorsi,
I’m sorry but what point are you trying to get across to us? Is it that we should trade criticism of our own democratic capitalist systems in exchange for a masochistic exercise in wailing about the stupidity of the White masses?
On the Jews, if it’s true. And it looks like it is, if their behavior over the past century-and-a-half is anything to go by.
John wants to tighten the knots on the double bind that is White honor and White magnanimity which allegedly requires us to shut our mouths at all times to life’s unpleasant foibles, and to never lift a finger against those who do us wrong because they are the weak and we are the strong. But what good is a people’s strength if it cannot secure their existence? And what in honor demands submission to injustice? Yet, according to John, if we are bested by Jews, we are not the strong(er). And if we are not the strong(er), why are we the ones obliged by magnanimity to never criticize Jews? Is it that Jews are not indeed the strong(er)? Is it that Jews are, yet not bound to magnanimity? So Jews are our intellectual superiors but moral inferiors? Whom would John prefer as his house guest, Hannibal Lecter or Barney Fife?
Pssst, John. You lose this round.
There is a lot of truth in John’s point that Whites, in particular our women, are endlessly gullible. In my mind, this is only further evidence against a free society.
Notuswind –
I’m saying that criticism of “democracy” is pointless. If whites are so stupid that they’ll destroy their own lives if they’re permitted to vote — then why are you trying to preserve them?
Captainchaos –
I have to apologize — to myself. In my eagerness to insult you, I failed to notice that your remark that I quoted was meaningless. Again — you wrote:
“Jews are vastly outnumbered in America by Whites in terms of those with IQ above 130, which is the threshold IQ for high success, yet Jews are vastly disproportionately represented in academia, media, finance, politics and law.”
As I look at that sentence now, I can make no sense of it at all — but let’s just look at the first clause. What do the raw numbers matter? It’s possible that, given the proportion of Jews with IQ above 130, we’d have to conclude that Jews are actually under-represented in the fields you list; and, in fact, I recall that someone somewhere made an argument something like that.
But let’s put that aside: Let’s say that Jews are “overrepresented” in the fields you list. Does it strike you as wise — not to mention dignified — to whine about that in the manner of a woman? That’s what white Jew-haters have been doing for quite some time — without effecting positive change in the condition of their people. (I’m going to classify Hitler’s getting Germany bombed to pieces as a negative change.)
Avoid habits of mind that conduce to your failure.
Why does the multiculturalism equation need to have only a single term like Jewish activism, capitalism or democracy?
One cannot deny history. Jewish activism played a key role in the evolution of US immigration laws and continues to advance Jewish interests today. Look, for example, at the impact that AIPAC has on US policy in the middle east!
I certainly agree that capitalism, democracy and the news & entertainment media have also contributed to the decline of the west. However, as Jewish elites are key players in most of these sectors, it is clear that their interests form a principal component of the equation.
“It’s possible that, given the proportion of Jews with IQ above 130, we’d have to conclude that Jews are actually under-represented in the fields you list; and, in fact, I recall that someone somewhere made an argument something like that.”
Kevin MacDonald wrote: “For example, even correcting for IQ, Jews are massively overrepresented at Ivy League universities compared to Whites. In 1998, Jews represented around 25–33% of Harvard undergraduates compared to around 25% non-Jewish Whites. In 2000 the Jewish population was around 3% of the non-Hispanic White population. On the basis of IQ, the ratio of non-Jewish Whites to Jews should be around 7 to 1 (IQ >130) or 4.5 to 1 (IQ > 145). Instead, the ratio was at most 1 to 1. But even this may underestimate the gap because it’s hard to believe that all Harvard students have at least an IQ of 130.”
http://theoccidentalobserver.net/articles/MacDonald-Gottfried.html
“Does it strike you as wise — not to mention dignified — to whine about that in the manner of a woman?”
I addressed that self-serving “logic” in comment 105. If we stand up for ourselves, as men would, against Jews who use their influence to harm us, we are not men, but “woman.” If we seek to neutralize the threats arrayed against us, as is our right, you threaten us with destruction as Germany was destroyed. Just what kind of suckers do you take us for?
I’m half German, btw.
John Bonaccorsi,
You wrote the following:
“I’m saying that criticism of “democracy” is pointless. If whites are so stupid that they’ll destroy their own lives if they’re permitted to vote — then why are you trying to preserve them?”
The problem with this angle of criticism is that it’s a human universal. The masses have always been (and will always be) stupid, indolent, and easily manipulable; that’s why propaganda works. Moreover, this sad state of affairs holds true for the generic type of all racial groups.
In my estimation there can be only two reactions to this fact. Either we accept the common man for who he is and work from there to create the best civilization possible, or we abandon ourselves to misanthropy. Given those options I prefer the former, although I suppose that a pretty good case could be made for the latter as well.
White gentile capitalists certainly have much to answer for, but they do what they do out of a lust for profits and not a bone deep hatred of their own race. Jews, on the other hand, are motivated by fear and loathing of white gentiles in addition to a lust for money. Whites have always had fools, dreamers and amoral mountebanks in our midst, and Jews have recognized and exploited this by ensuring that these types of men (and women) attain positions of leadership. Bill Clinton is a prime example.
I believe that without Jewish activism and influence the watershed 1965 immigration reform act would not have passed into law. There may not even have been a so called “civil rights” struggle in the South. Jews have organized, directed and funded many anti-white social movements and any black uprising probably would have quickly lost impetus without Jewish brains, Jewish money, favorable press (courtesy of Jewish media barons) and Jewish political connections in high places. This reminds of a scene in the movie “The Chamber” where Sam Cayhall (played by Gene Hackman) tells his attorney grandson (played by Chris O’Donnell) that the Klan was defeating the niggers “but then the Jews with their money got the FBI involved and they beat us.” It’s amazing the kernals of truth you can find in Hollywood movies when you’re not expecting it.
While we still might have a race problem in America it would be minor and manageable compared to the all out race war we find ourselves in today. Without Jewish monopoly ownership of the press and the airwaves white racialists and nationalists wouldn’t be marginalized to the degree we are today. Then again there wouldn’t be that many of us if with only a minor race problem, but we wouldn’t be contending with a police state such as the Jews have helped erect over the carcass of old America.
I doubt we’d be standing at the precipice like we are today in 2009 and our future in America would be secure at least through the 21st century. As it stand today we are predicted to become a minority in 2042 although I believe it could happen by 2025 in some regions of the country.
It’s a little ironic that Prozium is making a case that Tom Metzger has made concerning the culpability the non-Jewish white moneyed elites. That’s not in dispute, but I believe the white middle and working class would prevail much like they did in defeating the campaign for coolie labor in the 19th century if not for Jewish influence.
Excellent comment overall by Mr. Dithers. Mr. Dithers wins in a knock-out!
As I follow up to my first post I am of the opinion that several key elements are in play working against white interests and not just capitalism. They are, in no particular order of importance:
1)The universalism and racelessness of mainline Christian churches.
2) Capitalism and its inexorable striving to erase national boundaries.
3) Liberal democracy with its cornerstone of universal human equality and last but not least Jewish activism.
And before the Southern boys pat themselves on the back don’t forget that your ancestors are the people that brought huge numbers of blacks slaves to our shores in the first place. The plantation owners were practicing a form of race replacement long before it became vogue in the latter half of the 20th century. Michael Hoffman of Revisionist History wrote that many white laborers in Southern border states formed anti-confederacy guerrilla bands since their ability to find work was compromised by the importation of black slaves into the South.
Abe Lincoln, for all his faults, desired to resettle blacks outside of the U.S. Stephen Douglas was also dead set against negro equality in any form or fashion and I invite you to study the Lincoln-Douglas debates if you have doubts. Both foresaw and envisioned conflict between the races by allowing several million blacks to remain on our soil. So, while the North had its cosmopolitan circles (mainly in the NE) they weren’t just a bunch of kumbaya airheads itching to integrate socially and sexually with negroes while Southern whites were somehow a bulwark of white racial integrity.
If the South won the war they would have continued importing African slaves and possibly expanded the practice by introducing the African gene pool into bordering, anti-slave states. A Confederate victory may have consigned the South to a future similar to Haiti or Portugal. So, as bad as the Civil War was it may have had the effect of preserving the white gene pool in the South and some of the plains states.
Mr. Dithers: “And before the Southern boys pat themselves on the back don’t forget that your ancestors are the people that brought huge numbers of blacks slaves to our shores in the first place.”
Wrong. Please stop perpetuating historical inaccuracies. Southern Northern Euro Whites were not the people primarily responsible for bringing African slaves to the USA - the blame for that lies overwhelmingly with international Jewish slave-traders. Read the following comment as well as others in the thread on the key role that Jews played in the trans-Atlantic African slave trade - http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2009/07/10/capitalism-and-white-racial-decline/#comment-14473
After proofreading the following sentence in the previous comment - “Southern Northern Euro Whites were not the people primarily responsible for bringing African slaves to the USA…” - I realized that it would be better stated as: “Southern Whites of Northern Euro descent were not the people primarily responsible for bringing African slaves to the USA…”
White Preservationist,
That fact that many slave ship owners were Jews is not in dispute, but
the American South represented a huge market for African slaves, so I fail to see how Southern plantation owners aren’t culpable to some degree.
Plantation owners could have employed white laborers but chose to use African slaves.
Captainchaos –
C’mon — in alluding to Germany’s fate in World War II, I didn’t threaten you with destruction. I attempted — helpfully — to point out what happened the last time a “White Nationalist” gained political power. Let’s just say things didn’t go according to plan.
Triumph is not a matter of standing up for yourself; it’s a matter of your self. It’s a matter, in other words, of your habits — of what you avoid.
” Then again there wouldn’t be that many of us if with only a minor race problem, but we wouldn’t be contending with a police state such as the Jews have helped erect over the carcass of old America.”
Actually there would probably be alot of ‘Racial Scientists’ probably and Eugenics (tangentially related to Racialism) would be mainstream, in my mind things would be alot like the 1920s (full of Racialists like Coon, Stoddard, and Grant) but with alot more sci-fi technology. National Socialist Germany was like this, and had almost zero people of other Races with in their borders, but yet was Highly Racialist (the only people they had to contend with was Jews) Also the whole Nord/ Alpine/ Med area would have more salience as an area of further study, instead of just focusing on mere Racial Survival in the face of a ‘Brown Drown’ demographic swamping like one is doing today.
” If whites are so stupid that they’ll destroy their own lives if they’re permitted to vote — then why are you trying to preserve them?”
Egalitarianism is false (Universal voting rights), Hierarchy is real.
It is the role of The Elite in a Society to protect the masses (Of whom they are ‘Above’ in a Guenonian/ Evolan Spiritual sense)
In the decadent Modern World, a HOSTILE Elite, of an entirely different Race: The Jews, has been erected to rule over a planned dissolution of the White Masses.
This is an entirely unnatural situation.
Those of us who realize this are attempting to stop this Jewish Hostile Elite. It is not the fault of the White Masses that this situation has occurred, they have been both betrayed by White Elites and attacked by Hostile Elite Jews.
Don’t blame the victim, blame the attacker.
“White gentile capitalists certainly have much to answer for, but they do what they do out of a lust for profits and not a bone deep hatred of their own race.”
Are you so sure about their alleged lack of hatred for the White underclass? Is it not possible that our top elites (i.e. Bush family, Kennedy’s, Bill Gates, etc.) detest our poor and Middle Class?
I agree, many of the Jewish elites hate us. But the quoted statement seems a bit naive.
Sorry. The quoted statement was from comment #112, By Mr. Dithers.
JohnB: “Triumph is not a matter of standing up for yourself; it’s a matter of your self. It’s a matter, in other words, of your habits — of what you avoid.”
Typical Jew liar…constantly encouraging Whites to be hyper-individualistic because as long as we remain isolated/atomized individuals we continue to pose little threat to the international Judeoplutocratic race-replacement regime.
My fellow pro-White activists, please note: the Jewish nation-wreckers fear White collectivism/cooperationism more than anything else, mainly because White collectivism/cooperationism tends inevitably toward anti-Jewish policies as it progresses and succeeds.
JohnB and his rotten clique of international Judeoplutocratic liars are right to be worried, because White collectivism/cooperationism will rise again in response to the increasing dispossession of Whites happening worldwide, and next time we won’t be as reckless as National Socialist Germany was during their time. The Jews already sense that various forms of anti-Jewish White collectivism are going to rise again in the future, and that they can do nothing to stop it except start wars, foment ethnic/racial tensions, and cause economic unrest/collapse in order to distract people - in fact, I’m sure that in the future conflicts/revolutions which will be fought to liberate Whites and institute the White collectivist governments that Whites worldwide desire, Jews will be the first to deploy potentially world-destroying atomic weaponry against Whites in an attempt to thwart their noble pro-White/anti-Jewish goals.
Hello there!
Very nice to see you operating this blog… it’s an excellent way to maintain “a free discourse” as you used to say. It’s a pity your previous experiments with internet discourse devolved into “LOL you farted.” How unpleasant that was…
Anyway! The corporate lobby and the Left both demand open borders and ‘diversity.’ Pundits such as Ron Paul and Glenn Beck emerge, decrying the size of government and its destruction of good ol’ America. Newsflash: It wasn’t government intervention that destroyed Oakland and Detroit. The government didn’t kidnap millions of Mexicans and relocate them within our borders.
Yet, some racially conscious whites still think that “If only we returned to the laissez-faire of our founding fathers, we could solve our problems!”
White Preservationist that was a very good post and one should point out that the Atomic weapons were created by Jews! Einsteins theories led to the first Atomic bombs and a Jew named Sam Cohen was behind the creation of the most sinister of these weapons: The Neutron Bomb.
More proof that Jews DO NOT create, they are only capable of either parasitically sucking off a host or out-right DESTRUCTION!
Luckily Mother Russia has some of these weapons too and I am of the opinion that Mother Russia in the end is really our last hope (good lord how the World has changed since when I was younger during the Cold War!!)
Is Russia the Key to White Survival? By Dr. David Duke:
http://www.davidduke.com/general/is-russia-the-key-to-white-survival_18.html
Rodong Sinmun Censures Theory of “Multiracial Society”
Pyongyang, April 27 (KCNA) — A strange farce to hamstring the essential characters of the Korean nation and seek for “multiracial society” is now being held in south Korea. In this regard Rodong Sinmun today runs a signed commentary, which censures the farce as an unpardonable bid to negate the homogeneity of the nation, make south Korea multiracial and Americanize it. To deny the peculiarity and advantages of the homogeneous nation now that dominationism and colonialism are posing a threat to the destiny of weak nations is a treacherous act of weakening the spirit of the nation, the commentary says, and goes on: The south Korean pro-American traitorous forces advocating the theory of “multiracial society” are riffraffs who have not an iota of national soul, to say nothing of the elementary understanding of the view on the nation and social and historic development.
If the homogeneity of the nation is not kept, the nation and the destiny of individuals cannot be defended from the U.S. dominationist moves and the attempt of the Japanese reactionaries for invasion of Korea, which is revealed in their claim to Tok Islet, cannot be checked.
The theory of “multiracial society” is a poison and anti-reunification logic aimed to emasculate the basic idea in the era of independent reunification. The anti-national logic is advocated in south Korea, contrary to the aspiration of the fellow countrymen. This is ascribable to the criminal attempt of the pro-American elements including the Grand National Party to make the north and the south different in lineages, block the June 15 era of reunification and seek the permanent division of the nation and the manipulation of the U.S. behind the scene.
The commentary calls upon the people from all walks of life in south Korea to decisively reject the anti-national moves of the sycophantic traitorous forces to tarnish the lineage of the Korean nation and obliterate it, bereft of the Juche character and national character.
Hmm … 123. I’d say I myself am beginning to sense the presence of a troll — but it’s so hard to distinguish one from a white fool.
Anyway, guys: Good luck with the internet revolution. Good luck “standing up for yourselves” (110) — from behind your UserNames. The Thirty or Forty Dollars a month you’re paying for internet service — that’s going to whom?
John Bonaccorsi,
Do you have no response to my comment at 111?
Re 128. Notuswind –
At 111, you wrote this:
“The masses have always been (and will always be) stupid, indolent, and easily manipulable….”
Neither you nor I know what the masses will “always be.” What are you going to avoid to wright a world in which your descendants will not be among fools?
“I’m saying that criticism of “democracy” is pointless. If whites are so stupid that they’ll destroy their own lives if they’re permitted to vote — then why are you trying to preserve them?”
To suggest that whites are voting to destroy themselves is depraved. Since when do votes even matter?
Criticism of “democracy” is pointless, yes, but that is because authentic democracy does not exist. Votes are irrelevant, and most issues that effect the private lives of whites never even come to a vote. The will of the White Americans has been successfully thwarted.
The idea that “democracy” and “voting” somehow automatically reflects the will of the majority or whites in general is a lie, and a very cunning one.
Larry’s complaining about “anti-Semitism” again:
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/013645.html
John Bonaccorsi,
For the purposes of any discussion that you and I might have, the masses will always be clueless and ignorant. This is what history teaches and I don’t know of any rational reason to believe otherwise. And while you are free to argue the converse, I don’t think that it can be done successfully.
If I had to guess, I would say that your mistake lies in a willingness to judge a human civilization by the average intelligence of its members. In my opinion human civilization should be judged by its accomplishments and character, not by the gullibility of its lower classes.
Kunthjol: “White Preservationist that was a very good post and one should point out that the Atomic weapons were created by Jews! Einsteins theories led to the first Atomic bombs and a Jew named Sam Cohen was behind the creation of the most sinister of these weapons: The Neutron Bomb. More proof that Jews DO NOT create, they are only capable of either parasitically sucking off a host or out-right DESTRUCTION!”
I’ve often thought about how the Jewish invention of atomic weaponry reveals their inner nihilism and hatred of all life as well as the Earth in general. I wrote the following a little while back on this topic:
In the same vein, I’ll also add that the Jewish invention of potentially world/human destroying atomic weaponry entirely negates ALL of the other more positive contributions which Jews have made to human civilization.
Re 132. Notuswind –
I’m not judging civilization at all. I’m considering what will conduce to the existence of beautiful, intelligent, graceful, prosperous whites.
Re 130. Lena –
Your trite and meaningless remarks are those of a white person who erroneously thinks himself or herself “unfooled.” Not an obscure type.
“I’m considering what will conduce to the existence of beautiful, intelligent, graceful, prosperous whites.”
And what in your considered opinion will accomplish that?
Re 136. Captainchaos –
You have asked a question I can not answer. Avoid faulty wording — and consider putting your question again, in, say, this form:
“What will conduce to that?”
Larry’s ass-kissing interlocutor isn’t the brightest bulb:
“Harry Horse replies:
Exactly. Thank you for taking the time to put into words what I was unable to articulate.”
Larry’s entire raison d’etre is to minimize the role of Jewry in our dispossession - as to make it for all intents and purposes extinct and White Nationalism safe for the Larrys of this world. If you don’t follow Larry’s brand of nationalism, you’re a National Socialist. And we all know what that means for Larry. There’s no middle ground. It’s like saying that social democracy inevitably leads to the Gulag system. No, Larry, it doesn’t. Nobody wants to harm you, we only ask to be left alone. Just as you, Larry, obviously don’t enjoy the experience of living in a multicultural/multiracial cesspit with Negroes, Hispanics, Arabs et al. We’d like to go one step further and live without Jews in our midst.
Thank you for your understanding.
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/013645.html
You utilize logomachy as an obfuscatory tactic. That really is the only card you have to play. That and, “Don’t criticize Jews, or you will be destroyed.” Oh, I’m sorry, “What conduces to White survival is not criticizing Jews. Yup, that’s all you need to do.” LOL! Shithead.
What is it that will conduce to the survival of Israel, for its survival cannot be certainly accomplished? What will lead to the avoidance of pogroms against and expulsions of Jews in future, for these cannot be avoided with certainty?
If you had a mind, Captainchaos, you would realize that, in this entry, I have done more to incur the wrath of Jews than you will ever do.
“John Bonaccorsi”
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Why is a Jew using an Italian name/handle?
Steveintheswamps,
I’ll stand by my statement. Most white gentile elites are indifferent to the interests of the white middle and working class and are simply more loyal to other elites, irrespective of race, than to less prosperous members of their own race. Christopher Lasch analyzed this trend in his book “Revolt of the Elites”. Kevin MacDonald has documented the hatred and hostility Jewish elites have toward whites. There is a difference.
An example might be Ted Turner who is a bit of a left wing lunatic, not pro-white (not not really anti-white) yet he produced a movie about the civil war that was very fair and objective in its treatment of the South. When Jews produce movies about the South it always contains some of the most outlandish stereotypes of white Southerners as uneducated, inarticulate, tobacco chewing Neanderthals with crooked yellow teeth. Turner, as a white gentile, is capable of an objective appraisal of that chapter of our history whereas Jews twist, distort and propagandize. For this reason the Jews nudged him out of Time Warner-AOL merger since they couldn’t risk a white gentile mucking up the virulently anti-white motion picture industry.
Mel Gibson is no friend of white nationalism, but with the exception of the Lethal Weapon series you can’t detect any overtly anti-white bias in any of the movies he’s produced. Even in LW white S. Africans were portrayed as the bad guys but not as irredeemably evil. The bias was very mild in contrast to what Jews pump out.
There’s exceptions to every rule, of course, but white gentile capitalists and Jewish elites certainly aren’t of one mind.
I agree with much of your comment #143. However, I think the hatred from Jewish elites is a little exaggerated. Many Jews in purely commercial pursuits-like many gentiles in the same field- seem to be more interested in profits than in a cultural agenda. The most dangerous Jews are probably involved in cultural matters and social policy.
You are correct with Ted Turner and even Mel Gibson. However, there are White Gentile elites even more powerful. I guess where I split with you, is that I personally believe several Gentile elites despise the lower classes. I think it’s actually plausible that some would like to bring Latin America-with a very poor Brown underclass and tiny elite of Whites- to America. The income disparity and even relative personal wealth are much greater for the elites in Latin America. And I think elites like George W. Bush, Ted Kennedy, and Bill Gates hate the White common classes.
But I will agree that there are other White Gentile elites who are indifferent and even potential allies.
In comment #144, my response was to Mr. Dithers.
Mr. Dithers makes a good point. I believe that if you took Jews out of the equation, the white elites would naturally become less hostile to white interests than they are now. Jews are the commissars of the anti-white system. They are the ones who are keeping the train on the track.
Capitalist support for immigration is motivated by greed and a desire to conform to Jewish created social expectations. Jewish support for immigration is motivated by hatred of whites and perceived Jewish interests.
One of the biggest myths about Jews among some pro-whites is that there is some “Jewish elite” with radically different values and beliefs than the majority of American Jews. That idea is false. Hostility towards the host population is present in most Jews and is an integral part of Jewish culture. Jews are much more homogeneous culturally and politically than whites are. Jewish elites in media, finance, law, politics and academia have the same values and beliefs as Jews as a whole and these values and beliefs spring from the deep well of Jewish history.
“Hostility towards the host population is present in most Jews and is an integral part of Jewish culture.”
–ATBOTL
What do you mean by hostility?
” Hostility towards the host population is present in most Jews and is an integral part of Jewish culture. Jews are much more homogeneous culturally and politically than whites are.”
Certainly True and I believe it is The Great Joe Sobran who uses the phrase ‘hive mind’ to describe this Jewish Nature.
Myself I think of them like the Borg from Star Trek, they want to ‘Assimilate’ (miscegenate) everything into their ‘collective’ and then be in charge of a large under-class of ‘tan everyman’ untermensch.
Kunthjol: “Myself I think of them like the Borg from Star Trek, they want to ‘Assimilate’ (miscegenate) everything into their ‘collective’ and then be in charge of a large under-class of ‘tan everyman’ untermensch.”
I don’t know anything at all about Star Trek, but yes that is exactly what Jewry wants to do, if even if they aren’t completely conscious of it. They want to turn the USA, Canada, Europe/Russia, South Africa, White Latin America, and other White territories in to ethnically/racially chaotic places like India or Brazil where the hyperethnocentric and ethnically-cohesive Jewish elites rule over the stupid and degenerate racially/ethnically mixed masses with a totalitarian iron fist.
Why do they want to do this? First and foremost, they want power and money, of course - Jews are obsessed with both money and power, and Jews in general are ultragreedy control-freaks who always think that ‘the Jews know best’ or ‘Jews are the greatest/smartest/richest and thus deserve to rule over the stupid goyim.’ Also, Whites are the foremost racial/ethnic competitors of Jews in a Darwinian sense, and thus they seek to subvert our gene pool in an attempt to genetically undermine us so that they can more easily rule the Earth in conjunction with their fellow Asiatics (never forget: JEWS ARE NOT WHITE - THEY ARE ASIATICS). Also, if Jewry succeeds the racially-mixed masses of untermenschen will be naturally stupid and degenerate and disorganized (too much race-mixing causes that) as as a result they’ll be less apt to oppose Jewish control, preferring instead to just ‘herdthink’ and follow the Jewish lead however screwed-up and destructive it may be.
Again, I don’t think this attempt at subverting the White gene-pool is totally conscious for most Jews - it’s largely an unconscious evolutionary strategy that they hope will eventually help their Jewish ethnic group triumph over our competing White ethnic/racial group in the ongoing world scramble for resources, territory, power/influence, money, and so on.
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I’m not a Hitler fanatic, but a few lines from MEIN KAMPF that deals with the possible victory of Jewry over Whites has always haunted me; they read:
Steveintheswamps,
No, I do not believe Jewish elites hatred of white gentiles is exaggerated. Jews support free trade because it destroys the prosperous gentile economies which means fewer marriages and fewer gentile babies. White gentile elites support free trade because it enriches them beyond belief and they’ve bought into the faith based argument that jobs lost as a result of free trade policies are replaced by something better (they’re not). White gentile elites aren’t so much filled with hatred as they are divorced from reality.
In 2004 white gentile, and Democratic presidential hopeful Howard Dean said he wished to be the candidate for “the guys driving pick up trucks and flying confederate flags”. This was an overt appeal to white men of the South. Naturally he was upbraided by Jewish owned media outlets. The point being that there’s more than a few white gentile elites that identify and sympathize with our needs and concerns, but the fear of media backlash generally
prevents them from speaking honestly and publicly siding with us.
And ATBOTL is correct in pointing out that rank and file, or non-elite Jews are as bigoted as their better off kinsman. A common misconception is that non-elite Jews are similar in their world outlook as the residents of Dubuque, Iowa or any small town in flyover country. Nothing could be further from the truth, but sadly there’s still many naive people who fall for this line.
Comment #151, Mr. Dither’s:
At least in relative terms, Howard Dean is hardly an elite. He is not very well in the upper class, at least compared to big corporate boys. I don’t have much technical evidence, but I wouldn’t be surprised if several Gentile elites would like to have the U.S. turn into Latin America.
I am willing to admit that many Jewish elites hate us. And maybe a significant number of even common Jews hate us. However, I think the idea that virtually every common Jew hates us is nothing more than an article of faith and ancedotal at best.
“Nothing is more evident than that modern capitalism is just as subversive as Marxism. The materialistic view of life on which both systems are based is identical.” - http://www.toqonline.com/2009/07/julius-evola-on-tradition/
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