Guy White has responded to the comments I made about him yesterday. He disagrees with just about everything that was said here.
1.) It is true that Amren doesn’t allow criticism of the Jews in their comments. Whites, Negroes, Muslims, Hispanics, Asians — every other race can be criticized and its faults deplored, but not Jews. They are rewarded with a special privilege. Making a fuss about Jews is “too controversial” and would distract from AR’s stated mission of raising white racial consciousness.
2.) In your previous post, you claimed to have reaped a rise in site of traffic because of your rejection of “extremism.” Indeed, you even provided graphics to illustrate your point. You did not say anything like “my pursuit of the truth has led me to this conclusion.” The thrust of your post was the calculation that you could attract more page views by adopting a more moderate tone.
3.) Better men then you (Jared Taylor and Peter Brimelow) are ostracized from mainstream conservative publications because of their racial views. If your material has been published on FreeRepublic, it is likely because you are a newcomer to this scene and Jim Rob and his moderators aren’t familar with you. James von Brunn (the DC Holocaust museum shooter) was also published there and even cheered on by Freepers, but that was also simply an oversight on their part, not a reflection of their established policies.
4.) You aren’t going to succeed (that is, win acceptance by mainstream conservatives) where Jared Taylor, Peter Brimelow, Ian Jobling, and Lawrence Auster have failed. Auster used to be published in FrontPageMag until David Horowitz dropped him because of his racial rhetoric. Brimelow and Taylor used to write for National Review, but those days are long since over. As for Jobling, in spite of his grandoise aspirations he writes only for his own little internet ghetto. You are just as marginalized as Alex Linder or William Pierce ever was. In this respect, there is no difference between “radicals” and “moderates” except in the imagination of the latter.
5.) If you haven’t already noticed, anything that smacks of “race realism” or “White Nationalism” is still extremely controversial at the furtherest extreme of the conservative movement. I’m referring to the paleocons here. Witness the abuse the mild mannered Jared Taylor recently endured at Takimag. Whether he likes it or not, Taylor is seen as a “radical” by virtually everyone outside his “race realist” milieu. Tom Fleming of Chronicles has described racial nationalism as the “greatest tragedy” to ever befall the human race.
6.) I don’t believe I have ever written anything about Jewish crime, so I fail to see your point.
7.) I’m not a Nazi either, so don’t go there. The original subtitle of this blog was “Racial Preservation in North America.” I don’t write much about the Third Reich. It is a rare day when I even mention European issues.
8.) I don’t believe in an enormous global Jewish conspiracy, so you can drop that straw man. There is nothing secretive about what the Jews are doing. Their hierarchy of organizations are out in the open lobbying the federal government for any number of destructive policies: open borders, amnesty for illegal aliens, hate crime legislation, multiculturalism, affirmative action, support for Israel, etc.
The cumulative impact of Jewish influence on American culture has been extremely negative from a pro-white point of view. That’s all I need to know about the Jews to support their exclusion.
9.) Sorry, I don’t believe a negative interpretation of Jewish influence has much to do with schizophrenia.
10.) If you could, please explain how the world is better off (from a pro-white view) on account of the Allies winning the Second World War. I’m operating under the delusion that Allied wartime propaganda demonized racialism and led to a huge shift (for the worse) in white racial attitudes in the United States and other countries. If that was good for us, I would hate to know what you think is bad.
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“Indeed, you even provided graphics to illustrate your point.”
His two graphs are actually from the same time period, just delayed by a few hours. The April-May week to which he refers in his first summary table is not shown.
He claims it’s his noble refusal to become a keyboard Nazi that has brought him all this extra traffic, but he doesn’t consider alternative explanations (indeed, he says he can only imagine that it’s because of what Lindsay told him about respectability):
* his blog is being linked to more often
* people are more likely to stumble onto his site using search engines.
* more people are becoming interested in racialism
* he’s been selective in which weeks he’s chosen (not saying he’s necessarily cherry-picked, but would be curious to see surrounding weeks too).
Although, as he mentions, there are problems with determining the number of return visitors, it would still be interesting to get a comparison there. That would be the real test of whether his message is catching on. If more people are taking a sniff and never coming back, you could argue that his strategy has failed. Comparing the number and quality (though difficult to quantify) of comments between the two periods would also have been interesting.
His implying that Prozium has a mental illness is just so … (sorry Guy) Jewish.
Overall, Guy strikes me as naive and self-righteous; someone who was thoroughly marinated in multicult propaganda . Guy, if you’re reading this, this is my message to you: The world is not divided up into good guys and bad guys; you’ve been told certain things because it suits the interest of those who were doing the telling. Be a man, not a guy.
Just who exactly is ‘Guy White’??
What are his backgrounds …….
- areas of expertise,
- résumé working on behalf of pro-White causes,
…cause this dude seems to have appeared ‘out of nowhere’–kind of like the guy currently-playing-president.
As much as we dislike Jobling and Auster (and to a lesser extent Taylor perhaps) at least they were somewhat established and we kinda knew where they were comin’ from.
Get my drift?
GW doesn’t sound all too unlike me about five years ago.
Re: Guy White’s ethnicity
I find it unlikely that he is Jewish. In my experience, Jews have never cared about fairness. They denounce and exclude like commissars. It is typically white to care about “fairness” and “balance.”
“1.) It is true that Amren doesn’t allow criticism of the Jews in their comments. Whites, Negroes, Muslims, Hispanics, Asians — every other race can be criticized and its faults deplored, but not Jews. They are rewarded with a special privilege. Making a fuss about Jews is “too controversial” and would distract from AR’s stated mission of raising white racial consciousness.”
Absolutely, they will never be posted.
In addition, I was banned from their Yahoo group for bringing up very mild issues regarding Jews. They have a complete lockdown on anything negative towards Jews.
Ian Jobling left AmRen because Jared wasn’t philo-Semitic enough.
Being neutral about Jews is never enough, you have to show your allegiance and pander to them or you might as well be an anti-Semite.
I have seen the jew-word many times on AMREN, but not very often.
Maybe every week or two. Management can claim that it’s just the opinion of a poster, not of AMREN.
Honestly, Prozium, with all the merits of your blog, it still boggles my mind that you continue to give a platform to such crypto-Semites as Guy White and Ian Jobling. Why give them the oxygen of publicity? Why link to them? Why advertise for them? Why give them a voice? Why let them spread their philosemitic message?
We need to follow a NO PLATFORM policy towards Jews and Jew-ennablers.
Does anyone know if Guy White is against forced race-replacement of white people? That’s basically all I care about: if a someone is against that I see him as my ally even if he hates my guts, and if someone is for that, as 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999 percent of Jews are (sorry, Jews, I hates to say that but I have to be up-front and honest with the readership ….) I see him as my mortal enemy.
I hated to say that
I would say 100 percent of Jews. The few Jews who even claim to be against white race-replacement are merely trying to use whites to fight our Muslim allies. It’s merely an excuse to secure a safe environment for Israel, and to protect Jews from the growing (and justified) antisemitism of the black race. The Jews are indeed our misfortunate, and the only solution is to fumigate the entire nation so that every Jewish and jew-ennabling parasite can be obliterated.
“—The Jews are indeed our misfortunate, and the only solution is to fumigate the entire nation so that every Jewish and jew-ennabling parasite can be obliterated.—”
As Ronald Reagan would say….
“There he goes again”!
Re: Guy White’s ethnicity
“I find it unlikely that he is Jewish. In my experience, Jews have never cared about fairness. They denounce and exclude like commissars. It is typically white to care about “fairness” and “balance.”
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I have to agree with you here Prozium. Guy does give time to those from our perspective, and he usually does it fairly respectfully.
So, credit given where credit due.
“—GW doesn’t sound all too unlike me about five years ago.—”
Or Tanstaafl, or a good many of us, for the matter. His willingness to be open to it all, to consider things from all perspectives, is definately a virtue–a European virtue–at that.
Props to you on this one, Guy!
His implying that Prozium has a mental illness is just so … (sorry Guy) Jewish.
Funny, the last time I visited Guy White’s site several months ago, a disgusting sub-human from “One People’s Project” (Jewish, btw) was arguing that white racial-consciousness (and only white racial-consciousness) was a form of mental illness. This anti-white hatemonger even claimed to be in possession of evidence that Jared Taylor and other prominent pro-whites suffered from mental illness, although of course he refused to provide any proof.
It’s interesting how obstensibly pro-white philo-semites sound so much like the anti-white left when they talk about anti-semitism. We can only criticize Jews as individuals, not as Jews, say Ian Jobling and Lawrence Auster. You’re mentally ill if you have a different opinion than I do on the JQ, says Guy White.
You’re overstating your case.
It’s true that respectable media outlets will shut out Guy White just as if he were Bill White, but if the (dying) respectable media was the alpha and omega of politics nothing would work and it would all be a moot point anyway. This seems to be Prozium’s defeatist view. If this is true, what difference does it make anyway? Why bother calling him to task for it?
If you actually talk to real people, they’re often open to race-realism about NAMs because everybody knows that whites differ from NAMs, every white person knows not to let the sun shine or set on them in a black neighborhood, etc. But talk to them about Judaism as a group evolutionary strategy and you’ll probably creep them out – more so if you have a swastika tattoed on your head. So, as a purely tactical matter, GW’s brand of white nationalism probably does have more potential reach than MR’s or VNN’s.
However, GW is just as radical as those groups, except that he doesn’t have a problem with Jews per se. I asked him what he would actually do in terms of policy and he said:
http://guywhite.wordpress.com/2009/05/19/getting-rid-of-third-world-immigrants/#comments
“But basically, the solution will be either fight a race war that would be very bloody, but would allow us to create a state just for us. That’s not realistic now, but who knows how things will change in 30-50 years.”
He’s more about putting a friendly face on a radical movement than watering down that movement.
Guy White has a good site with subjects of interest to racially conscious whites but I quickly became annoyed by his constant critiques and shots at pro-white individuals and groups who openly discuss the Jewish question. He was condescending and dismissive of Stormfront (I’m not a member of Stormfront and rarely visit their site) and others. Although he generally tolerated discussion and dissent on matters concerning Jews he’s also hypersensitive to any criticism of them and rushes to defend their honor at every turn.
He routinely puts Jewish crimes and misbehavior towards gentiles through a spin cycle to make them collectively appear benign to gentiles and no more criminal than say, Hungarians, or Danes. In one of his recent posts he argued that for whites to underscore the crimes of a few Jews like Bernie Madoff or Meyer Lansky is “anecdotal” and in doing so we risk looking as foolish and laughable as blacks and liberals who cite high profile (but rare) cases of white criminals to assert some sort of mythical crime equality between the races. According to he, any mention of Jewish crime or Jewish criminals, however factual, is a dead end that only serves to discourage “normal” folks from sympathizing with us and for race realism to take root among the mainstream. Any person who cites cases of Jewish crime or the tendency of Jews to be overrepresented in certain types of criminal activity is in league with nutty conspiracy theorists who charge Jews with a world wide conspiracy.
But be warned, though, as he will throw a hissy fit if you paraphrase any of his original comments. I committed the sin of doing this twice which got be banned from his site even though he has no rule against paraphrasing. Personally, I feel this was a flimsy pretext to get me off his site since I dare challenged his suppositions and conclusions about Jews.
He demands hard statistics from naysayers about Jews but rarely provides his own. An example was when he claimed Poland was a backward, poor country until the arrival of 80% of the worlds Jews into Poland immediately led to that country’s economic and military rise. The infusion of Jewish monetary genius allowed Poland to defeat the mighty Turks but after Poland turned against its Jews it rapidly declined into a third rate country. I requested sources for his claims but he ignored my request.
The bottom line is that I’m noticing two trends; one is that some pro-white groups are imposing a gag order on Jews. Amren is the perfect example of this. The second one is that Jews are infiltrating the “race realist” groups to make them less threatening and more palatable to their groups interests. They do this by ad hominem attacks on web sites like Stormfront and personalities like David Duke and professor Kevin MacDonald and by limiting discussion on Jewish activism as a major contributing cause of what ails Western nations and white people. Lawrence Auster, Michael Hart and perhaps Guy White fall into the latter category.
White nationalists just need to be aware of the growing number of insincere and shady characters that pretend to be on our side.
—9.) Sorry, I don’t believe a negative interpretation of Jewish influence has much to do with schizophrenia.—
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Exactly Prozium!
What really motivates the supplicators to say this hypocritical nonsense has to do with is the psychological concept of PROJECTION.
In other words…
*HE WHO SMELT IT, DEALT IT*
“8.) I don’t believe in an enormous global Jewish conspiracy, so you can drop that straw man. There is nothing secretive about what the Jews are doing.”
Minor nitpick:
What Jonathan Pollard was doing was secretive until he got convicted.
“We can only criticize Jews as individuals, not as Jews, say Ian Jobling and Lawrence Auster.”
Exactly. It’s absurd. Jews are the ORIGINAL minority in white societies. Hundreds of years before white people had ever seen negroes, they had problems with Jews.
That’s like insisting you can only say this or that specific bird flies, not “birds fly.” “See that robin over there? It can fly. And see this sparrow? So can it. And that bluejay? The same. All three can fly. In fact, 90% of birds I ever saw could fly. But as for whether birds in general can fly, I don’t think it’s OK to generalize: it’s immoral. We should restrict ourselves to saying this or that specific bird can fly, not ‘birds can fly.’ ” But if you keep seeing birds that fly it’s normal and legitimate to generalize and say “birds fly.” Generalizing is normal, legitimate, and necessary to make sense of the world around you, but they don’t want you to do it in Jews’ case. Based on what you see around you, namely that such an overwhelmingly high proportion of Jews do bad things (ruin society by supporting what is commonly known as extreme radical left-wingism, prying open the country’s borders, etc.), it’s not only legitimate to generalize but necessary in order to make sense of the world around you.
I think people in the Eisenhower-John-Foster-Dulles-I-Love-Lucy 1950s agreed it wasn’t moral to propagate stereotypes about Jews, and sought to stop. But implicit in that must have been agreement on the Jews’ part to stop doing bad things — to stop, in other words, behavior that in effect made those stereotypes true.
If Jews didn’t stop behavior that made those stereotypes true, the deal should have been called off.
Jews didn’t stop that behavior. It’s insanity to go ahead with the deal.
Excellent comments by Fred.
Stormfront and VNN have far more readers than White America, View From the Right, and Guy White combined.
Being a loudmouth extremist isn’t necessarily a turn off. Look at the success of Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Michael Savage, Bill O’Reilly, Alex Jones, and so on. Most people don’t have the patience for footnotes.
Em, is it just me or does something about “Yosemote” seem a bit odd? Namely, obvious insincerity + calls for violence? A rookie infiltrator?
I think a lot of the obsession with Jews on both sides is envy. By evolutionary standards, they are winning. They have the brains and talent to support their own interests. White gentiles, on the other hand, squabble over how fast they should surrender their culture, their safety and their society.
Sleepers will awake when someone starts complaining about the all white snowmen on display during the Holiday Season. The J birds have pretty much succeeded in getting the name and iconography of Christmas banned throughout the public sphere in the US. I think we could do them one better with a false flag campaign to diversify snowmen. WNs in the major cities should think about setting up a politically correct front group with a list of board members with Jewish sounding names that includes a rabbi a gay group. You can then announce your indignation over the continued public display of all white male snowmen to the MSM media which will be all over the story in a jiffy. Talk radio blowhards will have to devote precious Zionist airtime to the controversy that will inevitably ensue. Thus we will tip the J birds hand by pushing them into the appearance of having gone too far again. America can do without Christmas trees and creshes , but multicultural transgendered snowmen, especially yellow ones, aren’t going to go over well with anyone of any color. Think like a corkscrew and prevail!
Excellent comment by whodareswings. Who says being WN has to be all work and no play? A much better way for the Van Brunn’s to vent their anger. Even if it gets exposed as a false flag, the question is going to come up: why would someone pretend to be Jewish and do this? That itself will get a few people thinking.
—7.) I’m not a Nazi either, so don’t go there. The original subtitle of this blog was “Racial Preservation in North America.” I don’t write much about the Third Reich. It is a rare day when I even mention European issues.—
Here is Guy’s main problem –
“Reductio ad Hitlerum, also argumentum ad Hitlerum, or reductio (or argumentum) ad Nazium – dog Latin for “reduction (or argument) to Adolf Hitler (or the Nazis)” – is a modern formal fallacy in logic.
“The name is a pun on reductio ad absurdum, or especially its related argumentum ad misericordiam.
“It is a variety of both questionable cause and association fallacy and has the effect of an appeal to emotion.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum
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Stop playing the ‘Nazi card’—Guy and acolytes—et al!
We all know how ‘wonderful’ ‘moral’ and ‘righteous’ you all are!
Try getting a little more creative with your debate than resorting to overused, and tired, Soviet-esque propaganda and psychobabble!
You really do look like ‘Liberal’ fools that you ostensibly rail against.
…but if the (dying) respectable media was the alpha and omega of politics nothing would work and it would all be a moot point anyway.
If some anti-regime elements can ever get organized they should push for the states to elect one house via statewide PR (you know the Knesset method, which has certainly been a success for racialist Jews). Given the widespread disilliusionment with R’s among whites who normally vote Republican this might be attainable in states with initiative and referendum.
The states are basically slaves of Washington but the above reform provides the possibility of creating a coherent and visible opposition from which the ordinary and distracted white can get
some guidance and leadership. Sort of like non-leftist ( and at least initially non-violent) “guerilla foco” within the rotting system.
—10.) If you could, please explain how the world is better off (from a pro-white view) on account of the Allies winning the Second World War. I’m operating under the delusion that Allied wartime propaganda demonized racialism and led to a huge shift (for the worse) in white racial attitudes in the United States and other countries. If that was good for us, I would hate to know what you think is bad.—
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Is this what ‘Guy’ has in mind about the Second War of White Genocide, oops, the ‘second world war’, and especially the role “our gallant soviet allies” played in it??? -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrts4f3U8fg&feature=related
Or this? -
“For these returning Germans and those that had found havens in the Eastern territories from the war or had remained,
…the “greatest forcible dislocation of persons in European history”
was yet to come. Within a few years of the war’s end an incredible 15,000,000 Reichdeutsch and Ethnic German civilians would be thrown out of Poland, the Baltic States, Memel, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Rumania, Yugoslavia, and the Eastern areas of Germany…
(this is as though the Netherlands, Afghanistan, or Greece were totally emptied of all humans by force).”
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP7.HTM
&
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Germans_after_World_War_II